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Post# 386517   2/21/2018 at 17:10 (2,249 days old) by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        

Hi guys!

All the talk of water filtration vacuums has me excited to buy this type of vacuum.. so I have a few questions.

I think I want a Quantum, especially since reading @n0oxy’s positive experience so far. BUT I had an idea, since I’m a collector but I don’t want to order a Quantum only to have to return it if I don’t like “dealing with” water filling and dumping out etc..

I thought I’d spend $99 bucks for a “starter” vacuum to learn and see if I really want to deal with the water. Have any of you owned the Kalorik Blue Pure Air Water Filtration Vacuum? It’s $99 bucks at Bed, Bath and Beyond and if it’s simply horrible, they have a good return policy.

So my thinking is this (and PLEASE advise me with your thoughts) I see if the water issue is something I want to deal with using the Kalorik.. if I love it, I keep it and buy my Much More high end Quantum for $498. That way I’m not ordering what I believe will be a fantastic vacuum (Quantum) only to find out I hate or don’t have the patience to deal with filling and dumping water.

How does this plan sound to you guys? Does the Kalorik look like a nice, inexpensive starter vacuum?

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

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Post# 386518 , Reply# 1   2/21/2018 at 17:22 (2,249 days old) by Lux_Luthor (Tennessee)        

There’s a video of a “Zass” that looks identical to this. In that video the water filtration didn’t seem to work as good in that vacuum. There was debris on the filter and dust on the plastic that isn’t submerged. I think the higher end water bags do better because of their separator.

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Post# 386520 , Reply# 2   2/21/2018 at 17:56 (2,249 days old) by cuffs054 (monticello, ga)        

That thing may be harder to clean than my H2O turbo. BTW it's still free for the postage.
Post# 386522 , Reply# 3   2/21/2018 at 19:12 (2,249 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

The water trap vacuums are not perfect at filtering out all the dust/dirt. common house dust wets easily. Other things like flour, talcum powder, plaster dust bounce off the water and pass thru the system.

You have to be carful not suck up any thing that will create foam in the tank. And it will happen fast. Even the residue from dry foam cleaning and even hot water extraction of carpet will leave a residue that will foam up in the tank. Suck up comet cleanser in one and find out what happens.

Then there is the fact that you have to fill the machine with water and then empty the water pan and let the motor unit dry. Even to vacuum the cat hair off one chair.

In other posts the air flow and suction power have been tested and are less than what a good quality bagged canister/tank type vacuum offered today. In fact Sears power mate vacuums of the 70's have far better air flow and suction than any of the water trap vacuums of today.

Mostly a lot of hype like the bag less uprights of today. More hype than actual performance for the price you pay for them.

Water trap vacuums are more work in the end than your "Plug and Play" bagged vacuums.

I have a Rainbow E series I bought from a friend for $100.00 thinking my mom would want it for our weekend get away. She has the E2 series in addition to her Kirby Omega. I'm not impressed with either of the Rainbows. She still prefers the Kirby Classic my Grandmother bought in 1972 for the weekend retreat. I believe she uses her Kirby more than her now 13 yr old rainbow.

Post# 386525 , Reply# 4   2/21/2018 at 19:47 (2,249 days old) by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        
@kirby519

 Thanks for the info, but I’m simply asking as a collector for very infrequent, occasional use. I use my SEBO Felix or Miele S7, my Riccar Vibrance or now my lovely Kirby Sentra I for everyday cleaning.

If it were for talc, plaster dust or flour.. as I joked on another thread, with my Riccar Upright pic, from their website.. I’d never vacuum up any of those things up. Spilled flour or talc I’d just grab a wad of damp paper towels.

The questions I’m asking are strictly as a collector as I’ve never added a water filtration vacuum yet and I’m kinda excited to add one. Not to the point of shelling out the price of a Rainbow or Sirena.. but I’d spend $498 for the sharp looking Quantum.

I just asked everybody if the Kalorik would be a good “Starter” vacuum to wet my feet.. lol Pun

So I understand the do’s and dont’s of water filtration thanks to @n0oxy and other helpful folks AND I’m realistic the Kalorik is only $100 bucks.. so it’s no rainbow or even quantum.

Just wondering if a Kalorik would be good to see if I dislike dealing with (like you mentioned) adding water, dumping water every time I want to vacuum. I’m not bothered by extra steps and as a collector vacuuming is Always fun.

Thank you for your valuable information, I appreciate it. ;-)

Thanks everybody....

Post# 386529 , Reply# 5   2/21/2018 at 20:12 (2,249 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
avoid any water machine that does not have a separator

 I doubt the machine you mention has a separator so I would not get it, those will be much harder to clean than a machine that has a separator. Honestly I would just go ahead and get the Quantum. If you don't like it, you would have no problems selling it on here or on ebay. It really is a good machine, and if you find that you do like it, you could add some of the more expensive ones to your collection if you want to. My first water vac was the Sirena and once I realized that I do like them, I decided to collect the other ones. These machines do have less raw cleaning power than bagged machines but they have no problem cleaning floors and other surfaces. If you decide to try the Quantum we would love to know what you think.
I felt the same way before I got my first water vac, everything else I have uses bags and I knew I did not want any of the typical bagless machines. I'm a canister only person, I don't like uprights. I'm really glad I gave the water vacs a try.
Mike

Post# 386539 , Reply# 6   2/22/2018 at 01:19 (2,249 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        
@HonestJoe68

 For the price if you wanted to try a water trap vacuum it could be a good starter.

Looking at the Owners manual it doesn't have a spinning separator attached to the motor like the high end machines.

It does have several steps for maintenance at the end of your cleaning day. Even more work than the high end machines.

I am more of a plug and play type myself. I don't have any issues with converting a Kirby to do what ever task I want to do. I just don't see myself setting up and cleaning up a machine like the water trap vacuums just to vacuum the cat hair off a chair.

I understand for you it isn't about daily use like it for many others.

No harm in giving it a try.

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Post# 386549 , Reply# 7   2/22/2018 at 10:02 (2,248 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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My thoughts are. You just want to see what it's like playing with a water vac right?
Sure go for it.
Is it as good as others - no,
is it going to filter well- no
is it going to be a bigger mess to clean up - yes
but that's not the point you are looking for, correct?
If you just want to see what a water vac is like to use, then it will give you a good idea and satisfaction in knowing if you even slightly like this then you are sure to like Rainbow, Quantum, Hyla etc.

Post# 386550 , Reply# 8   2/22/2018 at 10:19 (2,248 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
maintaining water vacs and limitations

 The separator vacs are much easier to maintain than those without a separator though, I know if I had a mess to clean out of a machine I would not want to continue with it. The separator machines do not have a mess in the basin after dumping the water, you still need to wash them but it's no different than washing a pot or pan after dinner. Interestingly, out of all of the water filtration machines I have, you hear the water moving around the least with the Rainbow even though I fill it to right above the center post. I can't help but wonder if some of the other water vacs do a better job of forcing everything down in to the water than the Rainbow does. When running the Rainbow on low speed, you don't hear the water swirrel at all but you do with the other machines.
Regarding the limitations of not vacuuming up dry wall dust and other fine powders, the only vacuums that should be used for this are shop vacs with an appropriate filter. No other machine, bagged, bagless or water filtration should be used for this, one way or another it will cause problems with other types of machines, usually by the dust getting in to the motor.
Mike

Post# 386551 , Reply# 9   2/22/2018 at 10:23 (2,248 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Do not buy the Kaloric. It has no separator, is a filthy mess to clean, and has no option for a power nozzle unless you buy the batter Volt central vac power nozzle.


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