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Post# 384434   1/18/2018 at 13:42 (274 days old) by dylanmitchell (San Diego)        

Hi there. We're in San Diego in a moderately sized home of 1,600 or so square feet with mostly carpet and carpeted stairs and cat hair on furniture. We sweep or mop hard surfaces so vac would be doing mostly carpet and pet hair. Looking for feedback on a good canister vac in $400 to $500 range. Costco has some Mieles but not much different pricing than abt.com and abt has more options. Or a Kenmore 21814.

Miele Classic C1 Electro+ Vacuum
www.costco.com/Miele-Clas...

Miele Classic C1 Turbo Team Vacuum
www.costco.com/Miele-Clas...

www.kenmore.com/products/kenmore...





Post# 384438 , Reply# 1   1/18/2018 at 14:08 (274 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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I would go into your local vacuum shop and take a look at Miele C1 Homecare with a Seb 228. You'll get a better price and better warranty!
Miele has sent out many of memo saying that the Vacuums at Costco are considered second hand. Yes I know they're "new in the box" but no dealer warranty them.

Avoid that Kenmore Junk at all cost!


Post# 384446 , Reply# 2   1/18/2018 at 15:00 (274 days old) by Rainbowguy2016 (Denton ,Tx)        

First off Kenmore’s are not junk ! I would say go for the top of the line Kenmore. The attachments are small on a Miele plus your not spending a arm and leg on dust bags and filters like you would for a Miele . Also Miele’s dont agitate at all nor do they groom well. Save your money and buy a Kenmore.

Post# 384454 , Reply# 3   1/18/2018 at 17:13 (274 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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#Rainbowguy2016 There genuine bags cost more. $20 for 2 kenmore bags vs. 20 for 4+Filters Miele bags.
There made in China .
The bags lacks a gasket and leaks an insane amount of dust.
It's a recycle design from the 1980s.
Bulky and much harder to maneuver then almost any modern canister.
No Crush proof hoses.
No sealed HEPA system available.

I would buy a cheap Hoover before I would buy a Kenmore these days.
I would also consider a refurbished rainbow over those options if the price was right.







Post# 384455 , Reply# 4   1/18/2018 at 17:18 (274 days old) by royalfan (Chicago)        

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There's always Eureka Electrolux I see them on sale all the time.

@Rainbowguy2016 Why would you recommend Kenmore anything to somebody when you know Sears is going out of business?


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Post# 384460 , Reply# 5   1/18/2018 at 18:07 (273 days old) by Vinvac (Dubuque IA)        

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Just going to add my 2 cents here. Miele would be an awesome canister vacuum. I would avoid the Kenmore model you have chosen to show us as it has the quick release bare floor tool on top of the power-head. There is another model that is also top of the line that I would recommend before that particular model.


If price point is a concern, then the Kenmore would be an awesome vacuum. I recommend a Kenmore or Panasonic to most of my friends. They generally do not want to spend more than two or three hundred dollars. They are reliable and offer descent tools along with an electric (not air driven) brush for upholstery that does a far better job than the air driven models. You can also find them on Ebay a lot cheaper.

Miele would be a higher quality and if purchased from a dealership or online, parts and repairs would be readily available. The hose is short on most of their models in comparison to the Kenmore. Filtration would be slightly better.

I have never had a problem with filtration on any Kenmore or Panasonic if you use the high end cloth style bags which are readily available from several companies at a much lower cost than Sears.

If it were me, I would go to a store and ask for a demo and let them let you use the vacuum. It is all in what you are comfortable with.

I realize Sears may be going under but most parts will still be available.










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Post# 384461 , Reply# 6   1/18/2018 at 18:17 (273 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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Had a Kenmore and they do leak dust  around the example in the picture. Used for sorting machine. Lots of paper dust. Used the cloth type bags as well. I have also had a Miele for home use, no dust leakage. The Kenmore had a nice power nozzle and cleaned

well. Did not clog even picking up small shreds (and I mean like the tip of pencil shred) paper. The Miele power nozzle I have is the top of the line. I use it at home. Heavy in weight, but is steerable by turning your wrist. Cleans well also. The Miele I bought was the Marin, next to top of the line, at the time....

 

 

 

PR-21

Bud


Post# 384462 , Reply# 7   1/18/2018 at 18:22 (273 days old) by blackheart (North Dakota)        
Keep in mind

Kenmores are now made by Cleva, a lot of the parts for the old Panasonic made Kenmores are either expensive, or unavailable. We just deleted an old backordered wheel for a kenmore machine that was ordered back in august, it never became available.

I'd 2nd the suggestion to avoid them, mostly due to the lack of parts.


Post# 384467 , Reply# 8   1/18/2018 at 19:10 (273 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        
Kenmore filtration is horrible. no matter what bags you use.

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Post# 384469 , Reply# 9   1/18/2018 at 19:38 (273 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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I have never used a Miele but I'm sure they're a great vacuum.

I think Kenmores are still pretty good vacuums compared to most dept store/big box store vacuums. The Kenmore Elites are nice and were made by Panasonic (not sure if Cleva took over or not). I've looked at the Cleva made Kenmores and they still seem pretty good. They have pretty good attachments too for something new.

I am told they will not leak dust if you place a toilet paper tube inside the bag opening. This forces the dust to go into the bag so it can't escape. The reason they leak is because of the seal were the hose end meets the bag holder.

My advice is to test them out, go to a vacuum store and try a Miele, go to Sears and try a Kenmore, etc.

Unfortunately canisters these days aren't really a big market anymore unless you have a vacuum store in your area. They aren't really in big box stores, Walmart etc. Most of those stores only sell bagless uprights or tiny bagless canisters. If/when Sears goes under, there won't be any bagged canisters in any department store or big box anymore.

Your best bet would to be trying an appliance, store etc.


Post# 384470 , Reply# 10   1/18/2018 at 19:39 (273 days old) by compactc9guy (Bathurst New Brunswick Canada )        
Aerus Electrolox.

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Forget all that get an get an Aerus Eectrolux or Tristar Cs . I had a Kenmore the hose broke the power hed the turbo brush so i switch to a lux runs like a champ.

Post# 384476 , Reply# 11   1/18/2018 at 21:33 (273 days old) by Luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

Everyone is going to have their own opinion about which vacuum you should buy, but only you can really make that decision. You really don't have to spend $400-$500 for a decent vacuum, especially if you consider purchasing a used machine. Most vacuum stores typically carry used models for much less money.

I would recommend looking into a used Aerus/Electrolux model, something with a power nozzle for carpets and tools for upholstery cleaning. Don't confuse these with the Eureka-Electrolux models you see in stores like Lowes hardware; they're not the same.

A used Aerus machine is of high quality and will likely outlast a Miele or any other modern cleaner.


Post# 384480 , Reply# 12   1/18/2018 at 22:37 (273 days old) by huskyvacs (Northern Indiana)        

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$500 for a canister vac? When did that happen? You can get a Kirby that will out-clean any "plastic bucket on wheels" for LESS than $500. I never liked canister vacs because of how clunky and cumbersome they are to be dragging it around and having to get it unstuck from furniture 10 times a minute, or having it knock over a table or houseplant when you're not looking. The only canister vac I have right now is my Shop Vac and it always seems to crash into everything when the slack in the hose goes astray.

Post# 384512 , Reply# 13   1/19/2018 at 13:52 (273 days old) by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        
dylanmitchell

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I will second Vinvac's recommendation for the Kenmore Ultra Plush canister.

If you have lots of pet hair, operating costs would be a issue. This is where Kenmore shines....HEPA Cloth bags can be found for around $2 to $2.50 per bag for generic bags on Amazon & other websites. Miele's bags are hideously expensive, $5 per bag when bought in the 4 pack or $4.38 when bought in the 8 bag value pack. Also, while you can buy generic Miele bags, the quality is definitely not as good as Original Miele bags, whereas the generic Kenmore HEPA Cloth bags available in most cases are just as good as the OEM bags bought at Sears. The Kenmore Ultra Plush, as well as the one you linked to, have the PowerFlow bag chamber design so power remains constant.

Miele's canisters are nice, BUT to get a model with comparable length hose & cord like that Kenmore has, will cost signifigantly more. Also, Miele has had considerable issues with the powerhead neck wiring & cord reels in the past, & I personally found those issues on a Miele I owned previously. And if a Miele ever breaks down, the parts costs for Miele are outrageously expensive. Attachments are small & not worthy of being on a high-end canister. Also, for the Classic C1 canisters you are looking at, be aware that the bag chamber does not allow the GN bag to fill completely, when you put a bag in you will notice the bag folds over in order to fit the chamber.

I currently own the Kenmore Ultra Plush canister, & I really like it. Cleans well, well built & convenient to use. And they have really nice tools onboard, not small like the Miele has. You will also appreciate the Pet PowerMate for cleaning pet hair off of couches & chairs, & for vacuuming carpeted stairs. I wouldn't buy the CrossOver canister you linked to, if you look at the reviews on Amazon there are lots of complaints of the powerhead being hard to push on carpets, plus the floor tool built in is a gimmick, and there is a floor brush included on the Ultra Plush canister anyways.

If the reliability of the Kenmore canisters is a question for you, don't worry about it. If you read online reviews about owners having trouble with their vacuum breaking down, or a vac shop tells you they're poorly made & to avoid them, bear this in mind: Most people abuse their vacuums & break them easily. As long as you take care of it & use your vacuum carefully, you won't have problems. And even if the Kenmore isn't as reliable & the quality isn't quite the same, bear this in mind: This top of the line Kenmore costs 1/2 the price of a top of the line Miele C3 canister with a SEB228 powerhead. And a vac shop isn't going to recommend a product they don't sell in their own store & make a profit on, so their opinions are biased.

Rob


Post# 384513 , Reply# 14   1/19/2018 at 13:59 (273 days old) by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        
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Alex, you will do ANYTHING to bash another product & try to sell Miele vacuums, now won't you? You have absolutely no shame!

Try putting a new HEPA Filter in that Kenmore canister before running the particle counter, & I'm sure you would get much better results. And you also left the powerhead on during your test so the pn motor would produce carbon dust emissions as well. Rather sneaky tactics just to go ahead & try to make a competitor look bad.

Rob


Post# 384515 , Reply# 15   1/19/2018 at 14:04 (273 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@kirbylux77 you know I've never once tried to sell anybody a vacuum on here . I don't sell vacuums. I fix them .
Come down with your Witch Hunt already.


Post# 384517 , Reply# 16   1/19/2018 at 14:21 (273 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Alex is entitled to his opinion like any other member is.
You can choose to agree with him or disagree but cut the bitchyness it's not necessary!


Post# 384519 , Reply# 17   1/19/2018 at 16:23 (273 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
That video of the Kenmore

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I knew there was something wacky with it when I had mine. Don't get me wrong, I LOVED the vacuum...I liked it so much when my first one died, I went and bought another one..The bin almost always has that dust no matter what kind of bag you use. It's that horrible collar design. Then, there's the PN he mentioned. They die after 2 to 3 years where it connects/disconnects and starts shorting out over time no matter how careful you are using it. It could be a great vacuum if the bags had gaskets and the vacuum was sealed and the PN didn't short out.

Post# 384542 , Reply# 18   1/20/2018 at 03:19 (272 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

In my area about 10 years ago there was a rash of Kenmore canister bottom panes breaking at the front wheel-if the vacuum fell too hard on its front wheel-the wheel area of the lower pan would break.The customers didn't want the machines repaired-instead they bought a Meile or Riccar vacuum instead.

Post# 384553 , Reply# 19   1/20/2018 at 08:57 (272 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
canister suggestions

Very interesting thread, since I'm a huge canister lover it peaked my interest. I have a Panasonic mc-cg902 which is similar to some of the Kenmore designs. If you decide to get a Kenmore, use the Kenmore Q bags if they fit that model, they seem to filter pretty well, although if there is an issue with the seal, dust could still escape.
I was actually at Costco the other day and checked out their vacuums, very disappointing, no canisters, only uprights from Hoover and Dyson.
Mieles are good machines, I have a C1 olympus, it's a straight suction model and I'm happy with it, though when it comes to the German brands, I would suggest looking at Sebo, their K3 canister costs a bit more than you said you wanted to pay but it's a great machine.
Another canister I would suggest is the Riccar Prima or Simplicity Wonder, same machine just sold under two different brands. This is a very good machine, it filters well and has several power nozzle options.
I would also suggest you check out the greatvacs.com web site, this company refurbishes high end vacuums and sells them at good prices.
Mike





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