Thread Number: 35029
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Post# 377678   8/31/2017 at 23:08 (2,401 days old) by Vacmaster (San Diego)   |   | |
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A new Dyson with (yet ANOTHER) new cleaning head. Seems to be on a DC40 body again with the new tool design. Thoughts?
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Post# 377690 , Reply# 1   9/1/2017 at 09:33 (2,400 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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Post# 377694 , Reply# 2   9/1/2017 at 11:54 (2,400 days old) by FantomTechGuy (US)   |   | |
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Post# 377761 , Reply# 3   9/2/2017 at 21:40 (2,399 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 377879 , Reply# 5   9/5/2017 at 01:27 (2,397 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)   |   | |
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The new cleaner head looks nice, but I noticed the self-adjusting "bellows" are gone, so it's just sits on the carpet like the older models. If the brushbar is designed to still spin when cleaning bare floors, that means the brushbar will need to be really gentle, or hardly protrude from the sole-plate at all (sadly the latter is the likely scenario). If that's the case, the carpet cleaning performance will yet-again be compromised, despite looking like it means business. However, if that isn't the case, and the machine just has a huge aggressive brushbar that does an awesome job, then it looks like a winner. Dyson claims it's much quieter too!
I wonder if this model was made to meet the new stricter EU energy regulations? If so, the US likely won't get the same machine. We never got the lower-consumption MK2 models, but instead similar variants. I'm still waiting to see Dyson's nifty self-cleaning shroud on one of their uprights! |
Post# 377884 , Reply# 6   9/5/2017 at 02:36 (2,397 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)   |   | |
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Post# 377886 , Reply# 7   9/5/2017 at 02:40 (2,397 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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All the MORE cyclones to clog or gum up!These things seem to love getting clogged with long people,cat,or dog hair! |
Post# 377890 , Reply# 8   9/5/2017 at 02:54 (2,396 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)   |   | |
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I wish I could fully disagree with you. The Cinetic uprights are flawed, and most will die an early death due to choked exhaust filters (but it's not from clogging cyclones, it's from the lack of a pre-motor filter). However, in terms of bagless filtration, Dyson still leads the pack by a mile. They keep improving and patenting their cyclonic filtration along the way. Sure the DC07s, DC08s, and initial DC17s had issues with clogging cyclone packs, but they've long sorted out that issue. For me, on newer Dysons, I dislike having to reach into the bin to pull out dirt around the shroud if I had overfilled it. My experience so far with the "dirt ejector" Dyson bins has been terrific. I can't wait to see how this mysterious new setup works!
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Post# 377905 , Reply# 10   9/5/2017 at 14:08 (2,396 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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This new Dyson is the same as all previous models - It is Junk just like every other plastic bagless vacuum. The cleaning ability is just mediocre due to it's flawed BAGLESS design.
Dyson's sell because of their shiny futuristic looks, but they soon get replaced when the cyclone and filters clog up.
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Post# 377934 , Reply# 11   9/5/2017 at 21:02 (2,396 days old) by Tseg (World Traveller)   |   | |
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For years I owned a DC14 (still have it). Really disgusting giving it a periodic good cleaning. The last time was the final straw that made me decide to get a bagged vacuum. My Miele is still spotless through-and-through. |
Post# 377945 , Reply# 12   9/6/2017 at 01:16 (2,396 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)   |   | |
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It's combination of Shark's current filtration system (a tight initial single cyclone that flings dirt away from the shroud.. notice the second bin-flap, and lip that would let dirt fling out into the bottom portion of the bin, the much smaller shroud, and narrower top chamber of the bin), followed by Dyson's patented Cinetic cyclonic system. Although I will ALWAYS advocate for a pre-motor filter in any vacuum, I bet this combination of both systems will yield excellent dust separation.
In the bagless market, Shark has by-far the best single-cyclonic system, and it's been copied by both Miele (their bagless canister uses the same separation principles that all new Sharks use), and funnily enough, now Dyson. Very interesting to see Dyson of all companies give an engineering nod to one of their competitors. I thought they were the inventors! |
Post# 377956 , Reply# 14   9/6/2017 at 02:38 (2,396 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)   |   | |
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Trying may be believing. I own a few newer Shark vacuums, and frankly I've been pleasantly surprised by how well they perform. They're great! Most of them have narrow, but extremely aggressive brushrolls, and clean and groom like all my other fav vacs. They're also quiet, and I love the versatility with the tools and all the cleaning options. They're easy to empty and maintain, too. I still prefers Dyson's setup of an upright with a long stretch hose for stairs (where you just walk up the stairs and clean with the wand, instead of having to carry the machine with you, like Shark or others), but most consumers will likely find their Sharks more than satisfactory. Unlike Hoover and Eureka, Shark is actively learning from the feedback of their customers, and applying it to their products. Some of their new machines are fun to use, and do a great job!
Shark also introduced me to the "wand headlight," a feature an engineer and fellow enthusiast suggested a decade ago during a conversation. I thought the idea was a bit extravagant at the time, but now that I've used it in the Powered Lift-Away, it's proven extremely handy and beneficial! |
Post# 377965 , Reply# 16   9/6/2017 at 09:51 (2,395 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 378041 , Reply# 18   9/6/2017 at 23:31 (2,395 days old) by DrSnuggle (Sweden Stockholm)   |   | |
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Post# 378088 , Reply# 19   9/8/2017 at 01:58 (2,394 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)   |   | |
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I'm surprised Miele resisted throwing a few cyclones into their large bagless canister to improve it's separation efficiency. They're using Shark's system instead, coupled with a Windtunnel 2/Hoover Z system, with a filter that gets dirt "flicked-off" the pleats as needed, by the vacuum. I'm sure it works well, but there's obvious room for improvement, and the whole system is astonishingly over-complicated.
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Post# 378105 , Reply# 20   9/8/2017 at 11:33 (2,393 days old) by DrSnuggle (Sweden Stockholm)   |   | |
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I saw a lot of those comments on the videos I did. And ibaisiac also said the same thing in his review as you (more or less). I beg to differ. I admit The Miele Blizzard is the only bagless I ever had, but... The videos I have seen on YT of multi-cyclones make me think it was a good choice by Miele. It must be better airflow using mono-cyclone compared to multi-cyclones (less resistance). It sound less than multi-cyclones. It is also very simple to clean The Blizzard. You also need less power to achieve the same cleaning result.
It is all about filters and Miele has a huge filter after the air has passed the container (which is easy to clean), the mono cyclon being the first. With multi-cyclones those other filters may be cleaner for a longer time. But sooner or later you will have to clean them out. The dirt does not magically disappear. My point in my last post was that not all bagless are cheaply produced crap. No I believe that Miele Blizzard can stand on it's own against all of these bagless vacuums produced in low wage countries. |
Post# 378279 , Reply# 21   9/12/2017 at 02:05 (2,390 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)   |   | |
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I have a few Sharks that use a nearly-identical filtration setup (minus the "self-cleaning" filter), and they work far better than expected. I am admittedly still surprised Miele opted-out of cyclones (given that the patents are expired, and they work so much better at keeping dirt off the filters to begin with), but the Shark setup is the next best thing. I'd love to try one! I own one Miele canister, and it's excellent. I'd never part with it!
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Post# 378520 , Reply# 23   9/16/2017 at 16:44 (2,385 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth)   |   | |
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