Paging Dr Lux Filter Queen on the operating table


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Paging Dr Lux Filter Queen on the operating table

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Post# 37081 4/3/2008 at 15:59 (5,856 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes A filter queen was dumped at my door step todAY The cannister works fine but patient had dead power nozzle I opened it up & saw what looked to be a bent fan blade hitting the casing So open motor surgery was indicated. The entire fan blades were bent sereverly the problem with it not turning & was the piece I saw wedged in the case side it was a plastic part from somewhere Anyway bent all blades back into a workable position figured out how to get the brushes back in as they popped out when I opened it. Cleaned it out got the armiture? to rotate freely Closing up patient as we speak I have photos I am now hoping when I get it back together it works or else its major motor failure & I will need to be talked thru that operation... LOL I hate plastic parts!

Post# 37083 , Reply# 1 4/3/2008 at 16:35 (5,856 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)
Checkrate/Likes *OHHH Doctor* It was so lucky you were there to do emergency surgery. I hope your patient survives with no major defects.

Post# 37084 , Reply# 2 4/3/2008 at 16:40 (5,856 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *I FIXED IT!!!* It works!!!!!! I emailed the seller asking if they tried the power nozzle as it wasn't working? Maybe a button or some connection? We'll see what they say but there is no way that that PN worked with that plastic part jammed between the blade & housing. I tried to free it witout opening the motor but it was tight Wasn't even sure as it looked as if the blade was bent & upstructing it!!!!! OOOOOOOHHHHHH, SUCCESS IS SWEET!!!! BTW FQ has some real bad flaws to there PB neck design! Most of the machine is good. Also don't like the cannister hinges they don't tighten well OOOH well least it works PN neck though inside is broken both screw holes that it attaches to PN body broken One screw missing I rebuilt & reinforce it as best I could Works alot better Arrrgghhh I think that's it with this shot in the dark evac as even if it works its cracked & otherwise disabled

Post# 37088 , Reply# 3 4/3/2008 at 18:30 (5,856 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *Sound of FQ motor?* I seem to hear an increase in engine sound more of a louder whine as its been running a few minutes. Not sure what that means if anything & what I should do I checked the cone argh its not all that thrilling a procedure but come is FQ & its new Other problem that had me laboring is one of the caster plates in bent down as is the wheel with it so its sort of on a downward angle & makes for difficulty to wheel it... Well thats what you get for $75 I couldn't see these things Listing started at $139 & went down over about 2 weeks so obviously there are some with eagle eyes. Main concern is motor I got the PN running at least though it needs a new neck cover peice & the screw holes to attach it to are gone So in actuality it needs the middle part of the PN too Oh I guess it really needs a new PN LOL Does anyone know if this is normal Am I just getting tone deaf?

Post# 37090 , Reply# 4 4/3/2008 at 18:54 (5,856 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *Seller said they used it 10 min to clean office.* Don't know how. Must have made an awful lot of racket when that piece of plastic was bending every fan blade til it got wedged against the wall of the houseing & stopped working. LOL I could postulate that the peice could have got there during shipping but theres no way to bend those blades unoess the blades worked that way bent...it was hitting that peice of the motor CLICK HERE TO GO TO camelotshadow's LINK

Post# 37091 , Reply# 5 4/3/2008 at 18:55 (5,856 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *Hope I straighten a good position* Tried to get them back to where I thought they would be best with what I had to work with not wanting to go to fan & break off a blade Actually the operation I thought went well

Post# 37094 , Reply# 6 4/3/2008 at 19:56 (5,856 days old) by lux1521 ()
Checkrate/Likes Sounds like you did well. What you have there a GS Electic power nozzle motor. It is used by many brands. It is good to know how they operate. Replacements are easy to find if you ever have any serious issues with it. If the fan blades are not hitting anything now it should be ok. What model filter queen are you dealing with anyway? I have a PN for an older one sitting in my basement. I'd like to see some pictures of the whole thing.

Post# 37096 , Reply# 7 4/3/2008 at 20:22 (5,856 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *Thank You Dr Lux!* It was a close call, I think I did pretty good if ?I do say so myself. Someone was in the PN there was electrical tape on the cord Also it looks like all the lower palstic portion of the motor inside where it spins they are all broken. Its Model D31X I posted the listing for pics. I have one of the cannister I took here I worked all afternoon to get the thing going. CLICK HERE TO GO TO camelotshadow's LINK on eBay

Post# 37097 , Reply# 8 4/3/2008 at 20:32 (5,856 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *blade position* The blades were all in all pointing down sort of like a cone A few on them down so much it was hitting copper on motor. Are they supposed to be bent down into that open spot? Did I straighten them too flat? I thought they should be pertpendicular to the stem even though they are all on a slant. I just worked w the space I had & sort of eyeballed them Did the best I could

Post# 37101 , Reply# 9 4/3/2008 at 20:37 (5,856 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *GS?* Is that a brand? Hey, You're good Hoe did you know that?

Post# 37103 , Reply# 10 4/3/2008 at 20:42 (5,856 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *GS part of Ametek so guess its good* May 23, 2001 AMETEK, Inc. (NYSE: AME) today announced the acquisition of the assets of GS Electric, a leading manufacturer of universal and permanent magnet motors, from SPX Corporation for approximately $32 million in cash. GS Electric designs and manufactures a full line of motors for the floor care, health & fitness, lawn and garden, small home appliance and other markets. The acquired business, with expected sales of $65 million in 2001, has approximately 425 employees at manufacturing locations in Chambersburg, PA, and Hudson, WI. CLICK HERE TO GO TO camelotshadow's LINK

Post# 37105 , Reply# 11 4/3/2008 at 20:47 (5,856 days old) by lux1521 ()
Checkrate/Likes GS is a fairly good motor. I have a fair bit of experience with the GS motors. All of the 120 volt Dirt Devil hand vacs I have, along with my Dirt Devil broom vac (not the new cordless type) all use GS PN style motors for both suction and to drive the brush rolls. I also have a 17 inch wide Oreck PN that uses a GS motor. I might have a few others around and not even know it.

Post# 37109 , Reply# 12 4/3/2008 at 20:54 (5,856 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *Not thrilled with the power nozzle* Sound isn't bad not as loud as the pn5 but frankly the pn5 I just got I think it's better though I just did a short test. Nothing so far is as nice aspushing my Royal 886 Wow thats a luxury Not so big on PN anyway Wanted something that can handle a bit more as Kirby & royal have the straight thru design & you just can't pick up everything as I have a bird & he throws his seeds... LOL Crunch crunch crunch the fan sounds like a food processor. I'm still concerned about the sound of the cannister motor It seems to get louder w a whine after a few minutes Batting looks decent around the head. I have seen somepretty dirty ones on ebay this ones looks pretty new Guess when I get a breath & some time I;ll open the main motor & clean it all out Least the PN is clean now & got all globs dust out of motor Boy was the roller stuck w dog hair

Post# 37112 , Reply# 13 4/3/2008 at 21:08 (5,856 days old) by lux1521 ()
Checkrate/Likes Using a Royal is very nice. A Royal or Kirby should be able to handle seeds just fine, just avoid metal stuff like coins, nails, and stuff of that sort. The changing sound from your Filter Queen is unknown to me. I suppose it could be normal but I doubt it. I guess it could be electrical but I could not tell you exactly what the cause would be. I would make sure the motor brushes are seated properly and the dirt buildup is not excessive.

Post# 37115 , Reply# 14 4/3/2008 at 21:13 (5,856 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *Well another operation...LOL* Kind of had fun with the PN motor I am proud of myself for sourcing the problem & fixing it. Some one had a FQ apart & in the tub I guess I can check that thread & just wing it I can most times figure it out as I go Tell you the truth took me a while to figure where the brushes went as they fell out when I opened it. Then I saw the indentation matched on the motor cover & that was it! Yeah, one hurdle down Nine to go Still no word on Kirbys cord I;m ready to strip a cord or two & splice a plug on the end LOL

Post# 37140 , Reply# 15 4/4/2008 at 00:46 (5,855 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *Operation 2* Went as far as I could but can't get aceess to motor screws til you remove the switches lots of wires & connections did clean it out thing I noticed peaking in is motor or some housing round it is very rusty good thing is there is alot of metal construction on it. My guesstimate is this is mid 80;'s tho serial # seems to be late 80's early 90's Guess I should of choosen an older model w the brown PN. good thing is cone was new aprefilter under metal cone new baffle filter looks pretty new put it together few trial runs that scary increase in whine few times shut & restart then I took it for a spin & it wasok motor might need a cleaning also bent wheel might make for imbalance? Least it came along way from the way it came Now still have to work on getting the motor out...

Post# 37144 , Reply# 16 4/4/2008 at 02:05 (5,855 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)
Checkrate/Likes *I have the samilar one* I have the similar F/Q,,, and mine is 1978 it runs perfectly,, and the hinges are a bit flexable, and they work correctly. Change the little round filter inside the cone,,that is key for these queens to run good. That has been my expereince with all three of my F/Q...great vacs they are..

Post# 37146 , Reply# 17 4/4/2008 at 04:35 (5,855 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *The gang* Hi, Thanks for the tip The grey filter under the cone is new checked it Baffle on top is clean too It ran ok last I took it around Maybe it hasn't been run in a while Maybe some sediment got shook around in the shipping? But that sound I heard wasn't very good. Washed the attachements so it all clean Was looking for that thread w the FQ in the tub but couldn;t find it Your FQ is a beauty. I like the brown PN I;m starting to like the FQ...Not a bad machine I hope this one turns out to be good

Post# 37166 , Reply# 18 4/4/2008 at 12:51 (5,855 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *Mine has black gasket* Anyone know how to date it? Serial number is high strts w a 9 & I have seen some grey majestic start w a 8 PN is mod k-88 Maybe it has a new gasket? its in great shape Do I just use the cone? what about the medipure? will that work on the older models? Heard there was soemthing different about seating it w the older gasket? Let's just hope it stays quiet today...

Post# 37172 , Reply# 19 4/4/2008 at 14:16 (5,855 days old) by danemodsandy ()
Checkrate/Likes *As Much As I Love Other Machines...* ...I have to say that that Filter Queen is sensationally attractive. It has that "retro-'50s" look that I enjoy, yet it's a machine that's technically up-to-date, as evidenced by the hose and power nozzle. It appears well worth working on and saving. The TriStar I'm currently putting back in prime shape (and it was pretty darn nice when I got it!), was kind of the same story. If the wrong person (read: average user) had gotten hold of it, it would have gotten banged around for a few more years, then trashed. It's a great thing when collectors take machines like this under their wing and put them back into the condition they should be in. It will take you a little while, and you'll spend some money on it, but you'll have something really terrific when you're done. I've put together most of what was missing from my TriStar already- I have only a few minor bits and pieces to come, which are on their way from TriStar Canada. It is such a pleasure when a missing piece arrives, and suddenly the vac will do something it wouldn't do before, eh? Keep at it, and please keep sharing your progress with us!

Post# 37203 , Reply# 20 4/4/2008 at 21:47 (5,855 days old) by volvoguy87 ()
Checkrate/Likes *Fan balancing.* I don't understand the physics of balancing small high-speed fans, but I do know a bit about larger ones. I restore antique fans and blade balancing is critical. If the blades are out of balance, the fan will vibrate severely, causing damage to the bearings. Due to the physics, the vibration changes with speed, so a fan may vibrate more violent at a lower speed than at a high one. Blade balance works in part by having equal drag on all the blades. For all blades to have equal drag, they must be identical in size, shape, angle, etc. You may want to replace the fan because, although you did the best you could in repairing it, it may still be off balance. Try pricing a new fan, and good luck with this awesome vac, Dave

Post# 37205 , Reply# 21 4/4/2008 at 21:55 (5,855 days old) by lux1521 ()
Checkrate/Likes If my knowledge of physics holds up, the mass of the off balance part has a lot to do with it. The greater the added mass, the more off balance. In terms of the small fans I don't think it would be too much of a problem. I think I might do some more research on this later, perhaps just for the fun of it. I'm going into an engineering major in September so a bit of research in this area won't hurt.

Post# 37207 , Reply# 22 4/4/2008 at 22:46 (5,855 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *Interesting* I thought the same with the cannister as one wheel was lower. TRUE dirt build up doesn't help either Thing is the way it was it would hit & some blades were contored & bent down Such massive devistation I have never seen can't even imagine The piece wedged in the blade & housing turns out to be a broken part of the neck housing cover Thing with this PN is structurally its not good the neck balancing arch on one side is broke as well as both attaching acrew holes Frankly a motor those parts cost is not worth it I'll look around for a power nozzle. I might go in there again & try to fine tune it but don't know if the neck will hold up to another operation LOL I was insterested in MEchanical engineering but tough intensive major have a few physics courses under my belt too So I have some understanding of it. I think lux is right abouta small 3" fan & anyway if it stresses the motor then heck let it as then we'll deal with replacing it then or not that is if I haven't found a suitable sturdy replacement The motor is shot inside on the bottom were supposed to be some plastic pieces only one is left but I might want to play with it just for practice & to see if I can tweak it I think the way I have set up the blades there will be less drag but then also less air movement force Was worried about that but as I said I could do no more harm to that motor the way it was so I just dived in sink or swim & it works The wider the blade the more critical it is for balance Thanks Guys Good thing is the filter queen had a nice long 15 minute run with no wierd sound from the motor Guess its happy... LOL

Post# 37211 , Reply# 23 4/4/2008 at 23:15 (5,855 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *balancing* Anyone has a pic of the alignment of blades of a good fan? I had nothing to work from on this one had to reconstruct it from intuition... Think I angled them less than they should be OOH well its works LOL

Post# 37213 , Reply# 24 4/4/2008 at 23:36 (5,854 days old) by volvoguy87 ()
Checkrate/Likes *Blade balancing.* You're right about larger blades being more dependent on good balancing. I have about a 1925 GE fan. It is the big one with a 16" diameter blade-set. Right now it is in many pieces undergoing a very slow restoration but it was in running condition (barely) when I got it. The fan weighs about 30 pounds and the original steel blades probably weigh about 5 pounds (the original blades are severely damaged so I am installing brass blades in good, and shiny, condition). When I ran the fan, it was so off balance that the whole fan actually jumped around on the table. Depending on speed, it could launch itself up in the air a little bit and then THUD back down on the table in time with the vibration. I have restored a few fans and when properly balanced they are a dream. They move a ton of air very quietly. I ran my 1947 GE Vortalex 12" for days and days without a rest and it never slowed or stopped. It's still a great runner. All I have done to it has been to refurbish the lubrication system and periodically change the oil. What happened to industrial design? Dave

Post# 37217 , Reply# 25 4/4/2008 at 23:52 (5,854 days old) by danemodsandy ()
Checkrate/Likes *Your Power Nozzle:* Can I offer an opinion here? I think you'll be happier in the long run- and your Filter Queen will certainly be worth more- if you'll repair that PN with factory parts, whether new or used, instead of mating another PN to the machine. The styling of that machine and its PN is really unique, a very 1950s carryover. I know it's a PITA and an expense to scrounge up the parts and do all that work, but it really does pay off. I've restored both a Lux Diamond Jubilee and a Lux Model L on that basis, and I'm far happier with them than I would be if they weren't correct and complete. I'm very close to having my new TriStar in the same condition. What I aim for is to have my machines complete, with every part and accessory they had when they were new. I don't allow parts of the wrong colour, etc. I also hunt down an instruction manual for each. The only deviation from new I permit is to use factory replacement parts like Lux vinyl hoses to replace woven ones. It's a great feeling to take a thrift-store machine (my Diamond Jubilee was $2.02 at Value Village) and turn it back into a primo example that looks like no one ever misused it.

Post# 37218 , Reply# 26 4/5/2008 at 00:19 (5,854 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes So you like those old fans Had a old one myself We had alot of old stuff around as my parents were antique fanatics All metal limited non safe metal cage design Heck so they need a lil oil sometimes Who cares everything worth having is worth a lil care I don't mind giving them a few drops of oil at all they provide me with good service & I reciprocate thats conservation of momentum LOL Is the K88 a rare PN? If I found the same model too tell you the truth not looking at it as a collector piece I know original is always the way to go & maybe just yet the Filter Queen bug has not bit deep enough I'm not giving up on it yet Still, it can get $ buying for parts just have to wait & be patient I can never rebuild the case though as you see one screw hole is gone that neck at best when I get another neck will be held by one screw. Now I have the other screw hole taped as it has only half a head so its holding But will need the main body for sure bottom is good top functional Wheels a bit wierd had to oil them may be out of alignment bent or something I will leave my options open I went vac crazy this month Got a Silverado, Kirby D50 & the Filter Queen Last mo a Rainbow & it came all cracked up So its been a rough ride LOL My Olympia is on evac I have too many vacs around here & its only a small apt LOL CLICK HERE TO GO TO camelotshadow's LINK on eBay

Post# 37225 , Reply# 27 4/5/2008 at 08:49 (5,854 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)
Checkrate/Likes I have about 950 square feet of living space, you have my sympathy. Good luck.

Post# 37324 , Reply# 28 4/6/2008 at 19:59 (5,853 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *I wish I had 950 sq feet...LOL* OOOOh Dr Lux, You mentioned Royal well Dirt Vac had the same motor as the PN..I have a Royal 084100 Dirt devil 12 amp power stick...wonder if it might be same motor? guess not as its 12 amps & the PN think is 1.6 It works & but ita loud & scares my bird so I was going to pack its bags... Anyway the FQ is still working & it cleans pretty good. Is the top of the brown pn also plastic? It has a lower profile which is nice. I noticed in Brads vid that when he turned on his 7oo with the hair dryer attach installed that the unit almost spun 15 degrees. Mine will spin a half inch or so as the hinges give. wondering if its got all its power. Have to get a pull type measuring device so I can better evaluate whos the best sucker here. Hesco doesn't have the parts think they are discontinued so its really get a parts pn or get a used. Still think the design could be better & it could work better but truthfully the belt is cracked & probably performance is down Got to get a belt & some cones

Post# 37355 , Reply# 29 4/7/2008 at 00:51 (5,852 days old) by lux1521 ()
Checkrate/Likes A 12 amp power stick is probably quite different, although they might have sourced the motor through a division of Ametek. The most powerful version of the PN motor I have seen is in my 3.5 amp Dirt Devil Broom Vac. Belts and cones should be easy to find. PN parts might be quite hard and you might almost need to find a parts donor from someone who has a PN of that type with a different problem. Spin during startup is based on many factors and can't be a good determination of a cleaners power. I think it has to do with torque, inertia, mass, and accelerations. Many variables which makes for a difficult comparison between units. I have one of the brown PNs and the top is plastic. I think it is an ok design. I think it gets the job done and thats about it, but I have never really had a chance to use it for any real length of time.

Post# 37356 , Reply# 30 4/7/2008 at 01:31 (5,852 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)
Checkrate/Likes *Plastic arrgh..I want metal* LOL Thanks, guess I;ll lust not over the brown plastic. Find a parts nozzle whatever I found the top neck but w shipping thats $10 & still the body of the PN has a broken screw opening so that only 1 side of the neck will be held down Might just be better to find a good example rather than fixing this frankenstein., The royal transplant was just a thought I was going to get rid of it then I thought it has a good motor & cord parts? But then again I am aching to clear up some floor space so as to put my vacs to use! LOL My feeling is my cracked humpt rainbow has the most suction so I need to find a good donor case for it... Next project Thanks Have a good night Ohhh, & I have to squeeze another Kirby D50 in here LOL

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