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Post# 360637   10/10/2016 at 08:09 (2,726 days old) by fantomfan57 (Central Texas)        

I have read a lot about the Generic hoses being inferior and had a question. The complaints I have read and remember are that the chrome flakes, the handle's electrical connectors fail, the suction valve wear out and the screw holes strip out.

I do not have a generic hose, but wondered, are the handles interchangeable between the Generic and OEM? Especially if you are wanting a vinyl hose to replace a woven hose?

If so, could we buy the Generic for the hose and switch out the handles?

Ideas, comments?


Post# 360638 , Reply# 1   10/10/2016 at 08:14 (2,726 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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The handles are not I interchangeable. I tried it but the generic has a larger end where the handle connects. Good thought though
Generic also won't fit the sidekick without modifications.
Andy


Post# 360641 , Reply# 2   10/10/2016 at 10:46 (2,725 days old) by josh (Forest Park, IL & Spring Grove, IL)        

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How much does a genuine Aerus hose cost? Is it exactly the same as vintage ones?

I'm actually in the market for a new hose right now, too.


Post# 360645 , Reply# 3   10/10/2016 at 13:01 (2,725 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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A genuine Aerus hose will run $125 for an electric hose, for the metal, plastic, upright, or pigtail canisters. The straight suction, and Epic hoses have different costs
Andy


Post# 360652 , Reply# 4   10/10/2016 at 16:13 (2,725 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Vacuumlad1650 wrote: Generic also won't fit the sidekick without modifications.

I reply: Apparently, not all generic hoses are created equal because my Sidekick fits just fine on my generic hose. It's a little more bothersome to use because of the limited swivel but it does work.


Post# 360661 , Reply# 5   10/10/2016 at 18:32 (2,725 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Human
Now that is strange, every generic Lux hose I've encountered had to have it's electrical connector modified to fit the sidekick
Andy


Post# 360713 , Reply# 6   10/11/2016 at 15:14 (2,724 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
generic hoses

One advantage the generic hoses have is that they have a switch to turn on and off the power nozzle. Also, the hoses for the Perfect vacuums will fit the metal Electrolux models. Kind of an interesting combination to run my Wessel Werk mini electric brush with an Electrolux 1205, works great though.

Post# 360782 , Reply# 7   10/12/2016 at 12:24 (2,723 days old) by josh (Forest Park, IL & Spring Grove, IL)        

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Wow. $125 is a lot to put a hose on a machine I paid $7.50 for. LOL.

I'm going to pick up one of Hesco's swivel hoses for $30, probably today or tomorrow. While I'd love to stick to genuine parts, the price difference is just too much.

If anyone is interested, I'll post photos and thoughts when I get it.


Post# 360783 , Reply# 8   10/12/2016 at 13:21 (2,723 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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If you're patient, you can find a used OEM vinyl electrified Electrolux hose in good shape on eBay for under $30.

Post# 360850 , Reply# 9   10/13/2016 at 15:41 (2,722 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
Certainly......

been through the wringer on this. The first generic hoses I bought in the 90's lasted and worked OK. Everything in the last five yrs has been a crap shoot. Flaking chrome, air adjustment wheel on the nozzle breaking and very rough pivoting on the hoses that are suppose to pivot.

 

I agree, $125 for a OEM hose on a $20 vacuum is insane. But so is buying two or three generic hoses to last 10-15yrs together. And you can't go by prices for generics on eBay. Same hose could have as much as a $40 price spread.

 

There was a seller on the bay that had a higher priced generic. I asked him if it was US or Asian made. He got really mad and said people were always low-balling his hose prices. Then I got mad and said I wasn't inquiring about a price war, but where the darn thing was made. Before I asked that he kept throwing around the term 'US' and then latter, recanted that he didn't think they were made in the 'US'. ARRRRGGG!

 

So I have absolutely no usable advice on generics other than get some sort of warranty if you can, because they fail rather quickly compared to the originals. 

 

Yes, you can find decent OEM hose on the bay for cheap.....but it's Fool's Paradise to think they are going to last in your DD. They are usually at the end of their service life at best.

 

Kevin

 

 


Post# 360886 , Reply# 10   10/13/2016 at 22:14 (2,722 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        

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I suggest, if you want to get a generic Electrolux hose that will last, that you buy this basic hose in the link that has the metal handle & pigtail cord. Virtually impossible to break the hose handle, still has a suction release valve, & the Sidekick will work with no problem since you have to plug the pigtail into the plug on the Sidekick. Virtually the ONLY way you could break this hose is if you leave the hose on the wand when storing the vacuum....since the hose is made of waxy vinyl material, it will crack & break if the hose is stored on the wand. Or, if you buy the version with the crushproof hose material, it will bend & have a permanent crease. However, don't leave the hose on the wand, & no problem! :-)

Rob


CLICK HERE TO GO TO kirbylux77's LINK


Post# 360899 , Reply# 11   10/14/2016 at 06:52 (2,722 days old) by josh (Forest Park, IL & Spring Grove, IL)        

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Kirbylux77 - the hose you linked wouldn't work for my machine. It has the wrong machine end connection. I need a hose that fits a Super J.

Tried to pick up a new hose from Hesco yesterday. After a long ride home, opened up the box to find that they had removed that item from my order. Not sure why, so I am going to email them today and ask what the deal is. They showed having stock on hand when I ordered.

(As a side note, also very unhappy that they substituted floor brushes for rug nozzles in three accessory kits I purchased. Now I have kits with two floor brushes, no rug nozzles. What am I supposed to do with all these extra floor brushes? Sorry guys, had to vent.)




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Post# 360905 , Reply# 12   10/14/2016 at 09:11 (2,722 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I think I'd be returning the whole lot and shopping elsewhere.

Post# 360907 , Reply# 13   10/14/2016 at 09:48 (2,722 days old) by josh (Forest Park, IL & Spring Grove, IL)        

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Seriously had thought about doing just that. I'm going to try to be nice though and see how they handle things. I sent an email a little while ago, still awaiting a response. And the tools I did receive are of excellent quality, so I'm hoping if they can finish filling my order that the Electrolux hose might be quality as well.

Post# 361305 , Reply# 14   10/21/2016 at 20:09 (2,714 days old) by fantomfan57 (Central Texas)        
Okay, I bought one generic...

on Ebay and another earlier version generic was given to me today. The earlier version was pulled from a trade in. He did not offer it to me because he said he was going to strip it for parts. That is what I was going to do.

He admitted that the generics fail electrically. We shall see. Can't beat the deal I got on both if these.





Post# 361436 , Reply# 15   10/25/2016 at 07:04 (2,711 days old) by josh (Forest Park, IL & Spring Grove, IL)        
After multiple emails, 3 phone calls, and 2 visits to Hesco,

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finally got my hose the other day. I bought their swivel pistol grip hose.


Some thoughts on it:

-The hose itself seems high quality and crush proof.

-The machine end doesn't always want to insert smoothly. It binds going into the machine.

-The hand grip portion of the handle is too small and uncomfortable. Part of my hand ends up behind the grip where the handle flairs outwards.

-The suction relief is a slide instead of a knob.

I think I may have to eventually find a different hose. The grip problem ruins this one for me.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO josh's LINK


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Post# 361748 , Reply# 16   10/31/2016 at 16:20 (2,704 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

i'll stick to genuine Lux hoses

Post# 361782 , Reply# 17   11/1/2016 at 13:08 (2,703 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
I guess

I have to agree...but @$120 it seem ridiculous on an old canister vac. But then the generics seem to be getting worse and worse. They're not coming up with the right diameter and chrome plating on the hose ends. I can't think of anything more maddening other than a premature split.

Kevin


Post# 361795 , Reply# 18   11/1/2016 at 16:50 (2,703 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        

I have bought two of the vinyl replacement hoses from Hesco. One for the 2100 and one for the Silverado.  They are longer than the originals, don't leak, and for $25 plus shipping are very inexpensive.

 


Post# 361918 , Reply# 19   11/3/2016 at 12:39 (2,701 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
None of.....

my aftermarket hoses have leaked in my possession. However, I sent my DD 1205 back to my son in Brooklyn with a somewhat used aftermarket hose. He says the hose split and he taped it.

 

The issue now is with the chroming and the actual diameter/fit of the hose end into your floor wands, PN and accessories like the Sidekick. Plus the hoses that pivot are very roughly made to pivot....you can take them apart and grease with dielectric grease to some gain. I find the quality of the aftermarket hoses has declined since the late 90's. My guess is that it's the 'Chinese' factor.

 

Kevin


Post# 361919 , Reply# 20   11/3/2016 at 13:02 (2,701 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

 

i'll stick to genuine Lux hoses

 

Care to share the exact link that hose came from?

 

Kevin


Post# 361924 , Reply# 21   11/3/2016 at 14:23 (2,701 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I just picked up a Diamond Jubilee with a nice looking aftermarket hose. Fit and finish seem just fine on it. The machine end has brass contacts and it connects and disconnects easily. The handle end rotates freely connects easily to the wand and my Sidekick. Like my other generic hose, it powers the Sidekick just fine. The vinyl hose material feels more pliable than the OEM vinyl. I'm not sure whether that's a good, bad or neutral thing. Time will tell, I suppose. If it doesn't last, no problem. At least I didn't pay $69.99 for it like the previous owner did. Yeah, the price tag from a local vacuum shop is still on the handle and the product description on the tag says "Electrolux Hose Super J" but the color scheme looks more Silverado-ish to me. The best part is I paid one seventh that much for the whole machine.

Post# 361963 , Reply# 22   11/4/2016 at 11:17 (2,700 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

Good snag. As I said earlier, I've had no problems with aftermarket hoses from the 90's and early 2000's.  It's the more recent stuff that has gone to the dogs(Chinese).

 

Kevin


Post# 362057 , Reply# 23   11/5/2016 at 23:09 (2,699 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

that is a lux hose i had for a long time

Post# 362062 , Reply# 24   11/6/2016 at 00:44 (2,699 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

The only $125 OEM hose I've found for Electrolux canisters has been for the 2100. I've yet to see a OEM Electrolux hose for say, the Super J and previous iterations.

 

Kevin


Post# 362077 , Reply# 25   11/6/2016 at 12:09 (2,698 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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While idly mousing around the Web last night I made an interesting discovery on the Web page for the Perfect canisters. The hose that came with the Diamond J I bought last week seems to be identical to those that ship with the Perfect metal canisters, which could help explain its build quality relative to other generic hoses.

Post# 362080 , Reply# 26   11/6/2016 at 12:52 (2,698 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

Interesting....I found The Perfect Canister Vacuum at a couple of places, including Amazon. But other than ask, I don't see a way to buy just the hose?

 

Kevin

 

 

 


Post# 362081 , Reply# 27   11/6/2016 at 13:12 (2,698 days old) by blknblu (CT)        

For the Perfect hoses you need the Perfect part numbers, sites will not mention it is a Perfect hose

for Electrolux metal canisters (1205, super J, etc) it is:
PART NO.
EH8100W - WHITE
EH8100SG - GREY

for the Electrolux plastic canisters with the V-notch hose (2100 models & similar) it is:
PART NO.
EH8102W - WHITE
EH8102SG - GREY


Post# 362082 , Reply# 28   11/6/2016 at 13:48 (2,698 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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You can order the Perfect hoses on e-Vacuum stores website
I'll look for the URL
Andy


Post# 362083 , Reply# 29   11/6/2016 at 13:50 (2,698 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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I found it! I had 2 of these hoses beforbebut I'll stick with my Genuine hoses
Andy

evacuumstore.com/c-68-electrolux-...


Post# 362088 , Reply# 30   11/6/2016 at 17:41 (2,698 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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I had a Perfect Canister once and I think if you get one you will find a sidekick will not fit it. For some reason their electric hose connection will not fit into a genuine Electrolux sidekick, the electric connection is longer and therefore cannot make the electrical connection.

With that said, I got mine when it first came out, perhaps they were made aware of the problem and corrected it since then... Just my 2 cents.


PR-21
Bud


Post# 362089 , Reply# 31   11/6/2016 at 18:36 (2,698 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        
PR-21

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I had that EXACT Problem with my hose. I traded it at the shop for a Electrolux B-8 Floor polisher and some floor polish

Andy


Post# 362092 , Reply# 32   11/6/2016 at 21:17 (2,698 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I don't know for sure the replacement hose that I got with my Diamond J is the same one that comes with a Perfect metal canister but it sure looks the same as the ones on the Perfect Web site. It powers my genuine SideKick just fine so either Perfect (or more likely their supplier) perfected the hose or mine isn't really a Perfect hose or more to the point, it's too perfect to be a Perfect hose (sorry, I couldn't resist those puns).

Post# 362093 , Reply# 33   11/6/2016 at 22:11 (2,698 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
That....

evacuumstore hose is the exact one and the place I bought from this summer. It had the chrome coming off and it wasn't until the chrome was all taken off, would it fit the PN wand and the Sidekick. Could be a lot of reasons, but I'd be foolish to try that again.

 

That's why I keep asking for a link to the older style(from the 1205 FWD), OEM hoses at supposedly $125.

 

Kevin


Post# 362095 , Reply# 34   11/6/2016 at 22:43 (2,698 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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There is no link for those hoses, you can only order them at an Aerus Electrolux dealer. That's how I do it
Andy


Post# 362096 , Reply# 35   11/6/2016 at 23:25 (2,698 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
So you mean.....

I have to find a dealer and go in on foot?

 

Found one sixty miles away. So if I have to do that......

 

Kevin


Post# 362113 , Reply# 36   11/7/2016 at 10:55 (2,697 days old) by ronni (USA)        

You could order one from aerushome.com, and they'd charge you shipping/handling.

It's possible, too, that the Aerus store 60 miles away from you would have a service/sales rep. delivery it to you. However, you may need to agree to a sales demo.


Post# 362114 , Reply# 37   11/7/2016 at 11:24 (2,697 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

Yeah, I've been in that site before and couldn't find hoses. Bags, filters, a few parts and floor care products. I give them a C grade for their site...pretty sparse and bland.

 

I'll call the store 60 miles away and see what they say. For now, I may just buy a used factory hose off eBay for my son's 1205 in Brooklyn. See if there is something non-fabric floating around on the bay. His hose was aftermarket and seemed fine here. Normally, I'd blame him for the split, but after the debacle this summer with the evacuumstore replacement hose, I'm not so sure.

 

Kevin


Post# 362121 , Reply# 38   11/7/2016 at 16:15 (2,697 days old) by ronni (USA)        

Aerus has a newer website (I'm not sure when it was redone, but it was sometime in 2016)--I wonder if you used it or the previous one? In the upper right hand corner is the "Online Store" tab. You should be able to find hoses there.

Post# 362127 , Reply# 39   11/7/2016 at 23:33 (2,697 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

Tried the online store...no hoses that I can find.

 

Using aerushome.com in a new tab.

 

Kevin


Post# 362128 , Reply# 40   11/8/2016 at 00:02 (2,697 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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I just looked and do not see hoses either, but you can use their dealer locator on their website. The one in Richmond Virginia has youtube videos. He is called Rifleman Ray (Ray Satterwaite)not sure I spelled that correctly. I know the dealer I used gets his machines through him, as that is where mine came from. I am sure he can help with whatever you need.

PR-21
Bud


Post# 362131 , Reply# 41   11/8/2016 at 00:28 (2,697 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

Nah, I'll just make the 60 mile journey to the dealer and call first, of course. Who knows...he might have some older Lux's he took in on trade(if Aerus does that kinda thing).

 

Kevin  


Post# 362137 , Reply# 42   11/8/2016 at 04:22 (2,697 days old) by fantomfan57 (Central Texas)        
So at HESCO...

I found non-swivel:

www.hescoinc.com/electrolux-hose-...

and swivel handle:

www.hescoinc.com/electrolux-hose-...

At PERFECT, I would have to call 1-800-555-3903
and supply those part numbers (thanks AGAIN, Sven for the part#'S and everyone else for their help)

LASTLY: SWIVEL OR NON-SWIVEL? DISCUSS? Non-swivel torquing the hose too much?



Post# 362152 , Reply# 43   11/8/2016 at 11:02 (2,696 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

If the HESCO hose fits properly, you're not even going to know it's a bad hose for a yr or so...then a split or worse. You get what you pay for in aftermarket hoses these days.

 

Best of luck!

 

Kevin


Post# 362166 , Reply# 44   11/8/2016 at 17:13 (2,696 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        

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Kevin, here's a nice genuine metal hose for your son's 1205. Better jump on this quick, at $25 that isn't going to last long!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electrolux-Vacuu...

Josh, that generic hose I linked to WILL work with your Super J. If you had looked around on that website at the other hose parts, you will see the machine end is removable & they offer 2 types of electric metal hose ends that fit that hose. All you would do is order the hose, have the vac shop remove the machine end with a heat gun, & then order the correct metal machine end to make the hose work with the Super J.

www.tiptoppartsusa.com/subgroupin...

As for the Perfect hoses, I have owned two before for my plastic bodied canisters, & my opinion is they are complete junk! The screw holes in the handle strip easily, the suction relief valve starts to wiggle around & make the vacuum lose suction, & the PN Receptacle shorts out easily. They are by far the worst generic Electrolux hose available, & in my opinion best avoided. The one that Josh bought from Hesco is far superior in quality & performance. I have one with my Grand Marquise, & I like it. If only it were a little bit longer....

Rob


Post# 362176 , Reply# 45   11/8/2016 at 18:30 (2,696 days old) by ronni (USA)        

Re: No hoses listed at Aerus's online store

That IS weird! The only thing I can figure out is that they don't want to list the more expensive items, because each dealer has his/her own variable pricing.

That's the main concern I have with Aerus. I don't understand why it doesn't have set prices on all merchandise. Sure, it's good for sales to have variable pricing; but it's unfair to consumers. It raises a red flag of ethics in my mind.

Yes, Aerus does take trade-ins. Why wouldn't they? It's their way of minimizing or eliminating the possibility of returns. So recent buyers decide a day or two after the sale that they don't want to keep their new cleaner and want their old one back along with their refund. Too bad for them, because it has already been discarded (or so they're told). So they decide to keep the new cleaner after all.

In addition, they often take the old accessories for the same reason. I can imagine that some of them are used for parts or replacements and sold to other consumers either as gently used or new if they're in good shape.

Those things said, I'm sure honest, reputable Aerus dealers exist, too, who would return the old cleaners and tools if buyers chose not to keep the new ones. And, they would either sell the used accessories at low cost or even give them to customers as a kindness. They are the ones who'd get my repeat business and whom I'd recommend to others.


Post# 362181 , Reply# 46   11/8/2016 at 21:13 (2,696 days old) by fantomfan57 (Central Texas)        
Today's Adventure...

So I found 2 shops to order the hose I want. One was very reasonable, great customer service. I will be calling them Wed. The other took and hour to call me back and had marked the identical hose up by $40 before tax and shipping. I passed but then called back to talk to the same guy...owner to clarify was that a quote for 1 or 2 hoses. He said one. So I commented that that was a big mark up, his excuse was it was for time and freight charges. I asked, "Freight"...you mean you are passing on the cost of doing business, ie. a phone call to order the part and shipping to you on to me?
He snipped, "I don't thing we are going to be able to help you and I appreciate the opportunity" then just hung up.
I reported him to the company who referred him to me. Thought they should know.


Post# 362205 , Reply# 47   11/9/2016 at 12:21 (2,695 days old) by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

Kevin, here's a nice genuine metal hose for your son's 1205. Better jump on this quick, at $25 that isn't going to last long!

 

Thanks, Rob! Missed that one the other day when I was searching hoses. Offered him a little less and he took it. 

 

I also bought a later 1205 factory hose that was vinyl. Had the teal accents on the handle, so I'm assuming it's correct. Seller said it had full suction on the end of the hose. I'll keep that one for the 1205 I need to restore and send the hose that Rob linked, to my son in Brooklyn. I'll check it out first though. I told my son to look for old-style Ma&Pa vacuum stores there. He's trying to tell me he only found one in Brooklyn and one in Manhattan....neither store carried HEPA 'C' bags. Said both stores were dirty and weirdly staffed. I can only imagine how many Ma&Pa vacuum stores there used to be in the city.  Hell, we still have two in this small town. 

 

He's not the most resourceful young adult in the world, so maybe he's missing some stores. He's quite happy to live with the split hose and duct tape, but I'm not. His GF I guess, takes the floor brush immediately off the floor and starts vacuuming the two sofas they have. Complains about the dog hair still on the sofas. She doesn't understand that you should suction off the residual dog hair on the brush BEFORE you use it on the sofas. I sent them a nice upholstery brush(not a Lux).  My sons says it's faster and more efficient to use the floor brush....I told him maybe, but you're bringing the floor germs up to your sofas. He doesn't seem to be concerned. So it goes.......

 

Kevin




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