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Are cordless vacuums overrated? |
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Post# 356975 , Reply# 1   8/1/2016 at 11:13 (2,795 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 356982 , Reply# 2   8/1/2016 at 16:18 (2,795 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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I personally think cordless vacuums still have a way to go before they fully replace corded vacuums. I've been thinking of getting one for quick daily pickups! I think the current generation of them (UK) encourage you to change the way we clean by dealing with mess as we go and do daily quick cleans.
I know a few family members who have Gtech AirRams and have ditched their corded vacuums. They love them. But you have no above floor cleaning which is why they introduced the Gtech Multi hand held. Depends if you want above floor cleaning! I have one of these to vacuum the stairs, upholstery or quick clean of the car. The motor head on it is great on stairs, suction is ok. Runtime on the Multi MK2 is 20 minutes. If you go for a Gtech AirRam pick the K9 pet version as the components are all metal inside and not mixed plastic and metal. So with both machines you will get about 1 hour of cleaning. Gtech normal offer a 30 day home trial if you buy direct from them so you could always buy one try it and return it within 30 days if you don't like it. You can only buy Gtech product especially the AirRam and Multi direct from them now. They usually do deals if you buy the 2 together at the same time too. Although I'm not a fan of corded Dyson vacuum anymore I tested one of the new V8 Digital slims. I was impressed with it, very quiet smooth and powerful. You could feel the power of the motor head floor tool. It gives up to 40 minutes runtime but I believe that is without using the motor driven heads. Versatile machine as you can clean floors and above floor with the same machine. The price is a premium too at nearly £500! Dyson claim it gives the same performance as a corded machine but advise it is for inbetween cleans for quick pick ups! There are owners that use these as their main vacuums! Depends on what you are looking for and how big your home is and flooring types around your home? I personally wouldn't go cordless (yet!) for my main vacuum cleaner, never say never in the future! I'd use one for daily quick cleans at present! |
Post# 356993 , Reply# 3   8/1/2016 at 19:16 (2,795 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA)   |   | |
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Quite a few years ago I had a Westinghouse Unplugged that I thought was just the coolest thing. They basically took a Fantom Wildcat (corded upright vacuum cleaner) and stuck a huge battery onto the back of it. That machine was designed to be able to replace your traditional vacuum but I believe it was really ahead of its time, I wonder how many they'd sell if they brought it back now that the market is filled with cordless machines claiming to replace full-sized vacuums.
Here in the states, we have the cordless Hoover Air (while you all have the Vax equivalent) and the cordless Bissel Powerglide. Of course, we both have the numerous Dyson machines, I used to own a DC 44 and frankly I was not impressed. For it to feel like it was doing any good on carpeting I had to leave it set to the max mode (and suffer from greatly shortened run time). I've tried one of the more recent models and I was more impressed, but they still have a way to go. I believe that as battery technology evolves we will see more and more improvements in the cordless vacuum market, but as it stands today I would not be able to see someone using only a cordless vacuum for their carpeted floors. However! I will say that if you only need the machine for vacuuming hard floors and above the floor surfaces then I would absolutely recommend one of the Dyson cordless machines along with the optional extension hose and some of their additional dusting tools. The Dyson performs very well on hard surfaces along with above floor tasks, but I find their performance on carpeting a bit lacking. |
Post# 356995 , Reply# 4   8/1/2016 at 19:38 (2,795 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Jonathan makes a very good point that cordless has a long way to go to replace corded vacuums. There is a lot of hype behind them but then that's to be expected with new appliances.
I have yet to find a cordless vacuum that can successfully clean carpeted stairs though. Far more continuous suction and power can be hard by remaining with a cord, even if you feel you are being restricted - change plugs! Buy an extension reel. Very few cordless vacs aren’t really powerful enough to deal with dirt in a car never mind the rest of your home. I own a cordless upright though - a Vax Cordless Air. I bought it to replace an old Gtech sweeper (not the AirRam). Im very happy with it, but the suction through the hose is awful - but then I didn’t buy it thinking that I would use the hose. I bought it purely for a quick clean around my home and it supplements a cordless dust buster as I refuse to use a dust pan and brush. It is still going even though I much prefer to use my normal vacuums for above the floor line dirt or a proper intensive cleaning. For hose style cleaning such as cleaning stairs, picking up general dirt etc - leave it to a proper mains powered vacuum. Invest in a reasonably good vacuum cleaner and an extension hose to get up those stairs. |
Post# 356997 , Reply# 5   8/1/2016 at 19:44 (2,795 days old) by blknblu (CT)   |   | |
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Not until Tesla teams up with somebody :) |
Post# 356999 , Reply# 6   8/1/2016 at 20:00 (2,795 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 357017 , Reply# 7   8/2/2016 at 08:07 (2,794 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 357026 , Reply# 8   8/2/2016 at 10:11 (2,794 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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Have a wonderful, full-size cordless vacuum. We sell a lot of them, never had a return, but we have had people who bought a second one for a present. With the rear stair cleaning handle, it's awesome on both carpets, floors, and stairs.
It's so good, Tacony made it into a tandem-air Power Nozzle for central vacs, and VINTAGE CANISTERS. We sell them everyday.
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Post# 357030 , Reply# 9   8/2/2016 at 11:29 (2,794 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 357034 , Reply# 10   8/2/2016 at 12:33 (2,794 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 357037 , Reply# 11   8/2/2016 at 13:09 (2,794 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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Post# 357069 , Reply# 12   8/2/2016 at 20:53 (2,794 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH)   |   | |
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it is 100 Airwatts in boost mode and 28 Airwatts in regular mode. I wonder how much you can actually pickup with only 28 Airwatts? Knowing the formula for Airwatts, it might only have something like 20 CFM or less in normal mode. Probably only good for light, topical dirt and debris?
And I'm very skeptical of the 100 Airwatts figure as I've never seen any vacuum be able to produce more Airwatts than its power supply (or motor rating). Again, I can't wait to test one or could someone please at least hook up a Baird meter and report the results in this thread? Bill CLICK HERE TO GO TO wyaple's LINK |
Post# 357071 , Reply# 13   8/2/2016 at 21:17 (2,794 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)   |   | |
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I don't have any cordless models, nor do I want one, they simply are not as powerful as the corded models. There are also some cordless backpacks, but when you look at the specs, they are much lower than the ones with cords. The one cordless product I may get is the volt, that is one awesome power nozzle. |
Post# 357086 , Reply# 15   8/3/2016 at 04:40 (2,794 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 357087 , Reply# 16   8/3/2016 at 06:42 (2,793 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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My cordless battery mowers do a better job than the gas mowers they replaced.And-no stinky fumes,noise,and heat-Wonder why you get so hot pushing or walking behind a gas mower-----HEAT from its gas motor!LOVE my cordless electric mowers! |
Post# 357089 , Reply# 17   8/3/2016 at 07:27 (2,793 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 357092 , Reply# 18   8/3/2016 at 09:27 (2,793 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 357093 , Reply# 19   8/3/2016 at 09:30 (2,793 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 357094 , Reply# 20   8/3/2016 at 09:44 (2,793 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 391979 , Reply# 21   5/15/2018 at 11:27 (2,143 days old) by sharkvacuum (USA)   |   | |
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Post# 391981 , Reply# 22   5/15/2018 at 11:55 (2,143 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Totally overrated. Everyone is now praising Dyson V10 without realising that it only has 54 cfm of airflow. And that is on the max settings so you only get 7 min runtime.
Corded Dyson uprights have around 70-80 cfm and good bagged vacuums 80-100 cfm or even more. Direct air vacuums way over 100 cfm. Problem still is the battery technology. How they are now, cordless vacuums would be way too heavy with the strong enough batteries. Good for quick pick ups and "maintenance" vacuuming, but not even close to replace the mains powered vacuums. I have Shark Rocket HV320UKT and it has 55 cfm. I would never try to keep my apartment clean only with it. OK for bare floors, but not enough power for medium pile carpets. |
Post# 391983 , Reply# 23   5/15/2018 at 13:50 (2,143 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)   |   | |
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Post# 391987 , Reply# 24   5/15/2018 at 17:04 (2,143 days old) by completenutt (West Hollywood, California)   |   | |
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I think battery technology is changing fast and will be able to deliver more juice for much longer periods of time.
That being said, for now, I agree with Edgar, they are only suited for touch ups or focused work for a short period of time. That will change, I'm sure. CLICK HERE TO GO TO completenutt's LINK |
Post# 392006 , Reply# 25   5/16/2018 at 07:29 (2,142 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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Where did you get 70-80 CFM for Dyson uprights from? Modern Dyson uprights pull no more than 54 CFM! Speaking of cordless vacuums, I always get "range anxiety" when I use one. I never know when I'm going to run out of power, so I tend to rush and miss spots. If you REALLY want a cordless vacuum, go with the aforementioned Riccar Supralite Cordless.
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Post# 392020 , Reply# 26   5/16/2018 at 15:52 (2,142 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Post# 392021 , Reply# 27   5/16/2018 at 16:50 (2,142 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Post# 392037 , Reply# 28   5/17/2018 at 00:25 (2,142 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)   |   | |
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They can be a fantastic supplementary cleaner. They're super convenient for bare floors, above-the-floor dusting, counter-tops, baseboards, and cleaning the car, but I agree with the consensus here that they can't compare yet to a corded cleaner (on carpeting, the exception being the offerings from Tacony).
However, I do adore my Dyson V8, and will always keep a kickass cordless around. I use my Dyson V8 more than any of my other vacuums, because it's so quick and easy to use. Worth finding a good deal on one! |
Post# 392044 , Reply# 29   5/17/2018 at 02:55 (2,142 days old) by compactc9guy (Bathurst NB)   |   | |
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Post# 398401 , Reply# 31   9/18/2018 at 03:36 (2,018 days old) by Vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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No , they're still not a replacement for full size vacuum !
Just buy a nice canster vacuum and call it good . The Dysin V10 I tested made me sick for the price they ask . CLICK HERE TO GO TO Vacuumdevil's LINK |
Post# 398413 , Reply# 34   9/18/2018 at 12:12 (2,017 days old) by completenutt (West Hollywood, California)   |   | |
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Each tool (electric vacuum and accessories and wands, etc. versus a cordless rigid "stick" vac configuration) has it's own useful purpose.
Why are we all creating this "my vacuum is bigger than your vacuum" scenario?
Clearly and indisputably, at this point in time, an electric appliance is superior because it will be able to run indefinitely (pending overheating problems) and have the capacity to be more powerful than a battery operated one (hmm, like a car for example...battery power has severe limitations right now). Power being the key word and physics issue here.
For quick cleanups, of course an excellent quality (as opposed to weak or flimsy) cordless vacuum (most are stick vacuums at this point in time) is the BEST go-to tool for the job. Why drag out a gorgeous Aerus or Kirby or any other beautiful brand to vacuum up a tablespoon of coffee grounds or cereal that spilled when a "grab, suck and go" technique works just fine for the job.
When CLEANING, and I mean really wanting to get up all micro dust, allergens, and everything else our gorgeous vacuums can accomplish, then there is no dispute here.
Certainly a high quality cordless "stick" vacuum like a V10, or Oreck Pod will be good for daily touch ups and a visual appearance of clean, and maybe even a semblance of a deeper clean for the time being, but they are not replacing a full sized vacuum with flexible hoses that allow more maneuverability of the user to reach ALL areas that need attention when cleaning.
The aforementioned Simplicity Freedom looks like the first to take the next step in the evolution of cordless vacuums that are finally delivering a more usable battery powered appliance, and hopefully that will pave the way for other brands to compete in higher level machines which are more effective than what we've previously been used to in a weaker cordless machine, however: Very few other stick vacuums have hoses and attachments that replicate the functionality of a full size electric vacuum like this one does, and therefore are inherently inferior compared to electric vacuums. We'll see what Dyson can come up with.. maybe it will be the future to have a full power, and long running (over an hour at least!) versatile vacuum cleaner in multiple configurations, i.e. upright, canister, stick, etc.
Also, it really is fun and freeing not to have to worry about an electric cord getting in the way and limiting overall reach when vacuuming. We're not there yet, but it is a nice vision to have.. just keep working from room to room without losing focus on the task by having to stop and unplug and replug over and over again!
I have almost 20 gorgeous powerful vacuums in my collection so far, but still reach for my piece of shit Hoover Air 2in1 stick/hand vac to quickly sweep up larger visible debris on surfaces when company is coming, or I've had a small dry spill of something. That's what they're for. And there is a need for that type of handy appliance. The more powerful it can be, obviously the better.. that should be our conversation! Which one really is the best in that limited category.
Nothing compares to running an electric vacuum for as long as one wants, interchanging tools on the go, getting into every nook and cranny. It's a satisfying experience that we all can relate to.
In the future, maybe battery technology will allow machines to run longer and have more CPM or Air Watts, or whatever quantifier one chooses to measure a cordless vacuum by, but for now, they are an auxiliary tool, and should be appreciated on a qualitative basis amongst each other and not compared to a full size electric vacuum. This post was last edited 09/18/2018 at 12:31 |
Post# 398425 , Reply# 36   9/18/2018 at 14:58 (2,017 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA)   |   | |
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Honestly, I think it's about time that we start seeing real cordless full size vacuums. If I can go drive an electric car 200 miles on one charge at interstate speeds then there's no reason we can't have full powered vacuum cleaners that happen to run off batteries. The technology for it is here. The only thing holding electric cars back right now is the lack of fast charging infrastructure making long trips difficult. Vacuums don't have that limitation, you'll never be far from an outlet when vacuuming your house. They keep making cordless vacs with small 30 volt batteries in them, let's stick a 100 volt battery in them and a real motor.
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Post# 398436 , Reply# 37   9/18/2018 at 19:01 (2,017 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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I think that this Shark Ion P50 is the first real attempt to create upright with onboard tools.
Yes yes I know that many hate Shark brand, but that's not my point. I have been waiting for a cordless upright because I just don't like limitations of the stick vacuums. Run time is now up to 30 minutes and it has the power to pass the crevice test (floorboard cracks) with ease. That's something what even many mains powered vacuums can't do. It doesn't quite have airflow to match the corded vacuums, but it's getting there. Cleaning head seems to be well optimized for it to use all the airflow what it has. |
Post# 398672 , Reply# 38   9/23/2018 at 22:43 (2,012 days old) by Vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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@Mike811
Shark has yet to create anything by themselves they're cheap ripped off of something else. TTI /Hoover has had this out for years. Full-sized cordless upright with tools. Simplicity also makes the Agogo There's also lindhaus with and with out tools . So those are some uprights with tools , that came out before Shark. They're all have also been cordless full size Backpacks made by numerous manufacturers for years. Also who can forget the Miele hybrid s4000 cordless canister vacuum. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Vacuumdevil's LINK |
Post# 398695 , Reply# 39   9/24/2018 at 12:49 (2,011 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Hoover/Vax Air Cordless is what I know very well.
Simplicity Agogo and Lindhaus is new for me. My main point was that everyone seems to be over excited about stick vacuums. I just don't see them to be very convenient at all to replace the mains powered vacuums. Limit in the bin and battery size is the problem. Biggest problem is lack ow real power. I personally would like to see more new cordless uprights/canisters with decent power = Bigger batteries and motors. What we have now isn't clearly enough. Cordless Numatic Henry canister is best what I have seen so far, but it still should be more powerful. |
Post# 398696 , Reply# 40   9/24/2018 at 12:56 (2,011 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Post# 398708 , Reply# 41   9/24/2018 at 17:43 (2,011 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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There is a cool look Ryobi shopvac cordless, its nearly $200 with the big battery, $90 with only the vac unit. I have their various powered tools and two chargers but the cordless yard blower only has a 4 amp battery, am told not enough run time to clean the car, the complete set has a 9. It looks very well designed, love that, but really needs a second battery option or ac possible too I think. Still crave it though.
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Post# 406243 , Reply# 42   3/3/2019 at 02:56 (1,852 days old) by FrankParker (usa)   |   | |
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Hoover Cruise Ultra Light Cordless Vacuum is your future. I'm using this and it's working great. CLICK HERE TO GO TO FrankParker's LINK |
Post# 406266 , Reply# 44   3/3/2019 at 21:18 (1,851 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)   |   | |
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I think the issue is that these battery powered stick vacs are not even designed with the intention of replacing 'real' vacuums. They're made to be good stick vacs that are light weight. I think if a company made an actual full size upright that was powered by a battery like a big power tool battery (think of a battery powered lawn mower) it would probably be just as good as a mains-powered vac.
I think, though, that they probably don't want to make a product that would directly compete with their current products. |