Thread Number: 32454  /  Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
New copycat Dyson cordless
[Down to Last]

Vacuumland's exclusive eBay Watch:
scroll >>> for more items --- [As an eBay Partner, eBay may compensate vacuumland.org if you make a purchase using any link to eBay on this page]
Post# 356394   7/21/2016 at 13:22 (2,834 days old) by Adamthemieleman (North Yorkshire )        

Hello all, it's that time again, the new Argos catalogue is out. As usual I had a nosey at the appliances, nothing really jumped out, apart from these. Vax and Hoover both have new cordless vacs. Very Dyson esq, I doubt they're multi cyclonic and that they're any good.

  Photos...       <              >      Photo 1 of 2         View Full Size
Post# 356396 , Reply# 1   7/21/2016 at 14:21 (2,834 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
Well, its the price that is going to attract many to these Dyson-esque vacs. Hoover TTI in Australia already have the Ultra Lithium hand held vac out.







Post# 356398 , Reply# 2   7/21/2016 at 15:20 (2,834 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

dysonman1's profile picture
"Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery". Without a digital motor, the exhaust air returning to the room, near the hand and arm, must be quite warm.

Post# 356403 , Reply# 3   7/21/2016 at 16:51 (2,834 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
I'd have neither. At least when cleaning above the floor line with a hose above my head my ears won't get threatened with a motor that can damage my hearing.

Post# 356415 , Reply# 4   7/21/2016 at 19:54 (2,834 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

Fact is, people who want the "look" but don't want to pay the price will go for one of these, as will potentially anyone who was disappointed with their Dyson hand-held. As Sebo fan suggests, the noise is a factor. Dyson never seem troubled about noise.

Post# 356420 , Reply# 5   7/21/2016 at 22:21 (2,834 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Imitation is nothing new.

gottahaveahoove's profile picture

There are imitations,   duplicates, even fakes.

  Most of uscan spot a fake from miles away.

 

  Yrs ago,  how many Hoovers were copied?  Eurekas?  Lux?  Plenty.

 I never owned a Dyson, so, I cannot speak much about them.  I'd certainly not bash.

  I've had to run other makes, over the years... some, of course better than others.

  Never had a Shark.  I know some,  evenworked w/ some.  To me,  they belonged in the ocean.

 

  I'm NOT bashing  Shark vacs. just to be clear.

 


Post# 356448 , Reply# 6   7/22/2016 at 12:06 (2,833 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

madaboutsebo's profile picture
I got to try the new Dyson V8 at John Lewis Department Store the other week and they seem to have listened to its customers from previous versions! The motor sounds quieter and smoother in operation. No high pitch noise! They do seem to have started to make some of its products quieter like the Air Multiplier Fans latest generation ones are apparently quieter!

Post# 356470 , Reply# 7   7/23/2016 at 01:38 (2,833 days old) by Tomvacuum10 (Northern Ireland)        
My V8

tomvacuum10's profile picture
My V8 is very quiet compared to the V6, even on max mode. I had my friends V6 total clean and was surprised at the differences of the two. Also, in the new catalogue they show the new Numatic Compact range.

Post# 356472 , Reply# 8   7/23/2016 at 02:31 (2,833 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

madaboutsebo's profile picture
The V8 is very quiet it surprised me didn't expect it to be. I also noticed the power in the motorised head as I was using it which I wasn't expecting! Was impressed by the new overall design and new bin emptying mechanism too on the V8. I have said this before as a little prediction of my own I do believe as Dyson pushes their boundaries of battery technology and run time and performance of it cordless vacuum range they will replace Dyson's corded range in the future as their main lineup. The whole Dyson range will be cordless I think in years to come maybe sooner than we think!

I also see the Hoover have that similar cordless vacuum to this VAX in Argos as Sebo_fan posted above. The new micro Henry I see is more than the standard model!

Be interesting to see how these VAX (and Hoover) cordless versions do especially as price point will be the biggest difference for buyers!


Post# 356493 , Reply# 9   7/23/2016 at 12:27 (2,832 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
Bosch have also released new editions of their Athlet cordless uprights as well as their Move-On standard non-Lithium cordless 2 in 1 uprights. Im sure in time they'll probably do something like Dyson's hand held but in a different variation.

Post# 356545 , Reply# 10   7/25/2016 at 07:21 (2,830 days old) by Numatic_boy (England)        

numatic_boy's profile picture
Ive seen this Vax in an Argos display.I may get one depending on the reviews.I think its going to be very loud,but then so is its Dyson counterpart.I have used a V6 before so I have high standards.

Post# 356582 , Reply# 11   7/25/2016 at 13:17 (2,830 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

Those cordless machines look quite good. I'm one of those is not bothered by the lack of 'digital motor' I got the Dyson DC16 back in Dec 2006 and didn't have a digital motor and till this day do not notice the little 'heat' it generates.

I purchased a V6 Absolute 2 months ago, whilst I love its powerful performance, it hasn't proven durable for me. The top of the wand came away and I needed a new one and now there is a tiny crack in the back of the handle near the charge port. I guess its cracked from my firm grip on the handle - The new V8 doesn't have this rear handle cover that is very thin. I see a review on Amazon pointing out to a crack and breakage in the same area on a V6 machine. I hate the creaking sounds from the machine and have written to Dyson to give them my feedback and I dislike the feel that something is going to break. Its designed so that the wand can be lifted upwards to dust up high, I have a concern the top of my wand is going to come away again. I saw on Dysons Faceook page that someone else had the same issue a few days ago.

I hope Vax and Hoover are honest with their runtime claims, as I'm a little disappointed by the 14 mins run time of the V6 Absolute with the motorised head attached. It said 16 mins in smaller print when I purchased it and I asked Dyson and was told 16 minutes, but in the manual it says 14 mins and then I see on their UK website it changed to 14 mins. Have to be super quick to clean the apartment before the battery runs out! A lot of mentioning 20 minutes run time, but in reality if using as a floor cleaner, it no where near. V8 is better at 25 mins - I like how Dyson are crafty and say 'upto 40 mins runtime'. Very clever of them.

The V6 Absolute that I have is quieter than the standard V6 machine, I never knew this until I tried out the two in Selfridges, a V6 Absolute and V6 Animal. Dyson claim (Dyson V6 Motorhead in Singapore) is 30% quieter than DC62 which the DC62 is a standard V6 in the UK. Perhaps the HEPA filter helps to muffle out sound. Sound for me is not the issue, just the very powerful brushbar on the V6 Absolute and having neighbours below in the flat downstairs who don't like any noise, the stiff brushes really do dig deep into the pile to clean effectively.

V8 looks impressive but is very expensive at the moment.

I'd like to try out one of those Vax machines. I can also imagine anyone who has experienced issues with Dyson cordless machines going for one of these.

Bosch Athlet have come a long day. They look excellent. What appeals to me about Dyson, Vax and Hoover models is the ability to use a handheld, very important for someone living in a flat and needing to take the machine down to the car.


Post# 356589 , Reply# 12   7/25/2016 at 13:57 (2,830 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

I happened to be in a Currys store about three years ago - I must have gone to buy something as I am not one to browse for the sake of. Anyway that said, I did take a look around the store seeing how I was there, and taking in all the new things for sale.

As I was walking down the vacuum cleaner aisle I heard a lady ask a Currys salesperson what the different sized upright cleaners were in aid of, and said saleswoman took one down to show her. The whole thing made a loud "CRACK" as the handle went back, and I heard the lady say "£300 for a vac that makes that noise!". I did stifle a chuckle. It does seem that it's not just the lack of durability that some people are alarmed by, but also the perceived lack of durability too.


Post# 356591 , Reply# 13   7/25/2016 at 13:58 (2,830 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

Sorry I should have said these were Dyson uprights.

Post# 356640 , Reply# 14   7/26/2016 at 02:50 (2,830 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        
@blakaeg

henrydreyfuss's profile picture
How did the wand "come away?" I've put all my Dyson cordless vacuums through heavy use (I've owned every generation, and sold and upgraded to each new version). I've never had any issue with the wands cracking at either end on any of my machines. Now, the build quality in certain areas is surprising light, (for instance, the big brushbar on the motorhead version is nearly weightless when you remove it), but I've never had any issues with wands or any parts of my cordless Dysons cracking. If you had something defective, Dyson would take care of it no problem under the 2 year warranty.

Post# 356641 , Reply# 15   7/26/2016 at 03:02 (2,830 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        

henrydreyfuss's profile picture
The important part that both of these new cordless machines are avoiding explaining in their marketing, is the bagless filtration system. Neither mention the filtration setup. Not a good sign, unless they're fearing patent-related lawsuits. I'd hope they're at least dual-cyclonic, otherwise they'll be high-maintenance. The 15 cyclones on the Dyson V6 do a remarkable job of keeping the filters spotless.



Post# 356661 , Reply# 16   7/26/2016 at 11:54 (2,829 days old) by Adamthemieleman (North Yorkshire )        
Not impressed

Well look what I had waiting for me in the warehouse to unbox.

It looks cheap and feels cheap, there's no doubt about it. It looks like a kids toy. Suction isn't too bad at the cleaner end. Floor cleaning is a different matter. The suction is poor at the floorhead, the brush itself is very thin, with sparse and relatively soft bristles. Needless to say it didn't pick up much when tried out.

To confirm, it has a dual cyclone setup. The bin removes, as does the fine mesh shroud, and then the larger shroud. It didn't look like the cyclone was removable. The motor is under the silver disc. The filter is located at the back above the handle. Two buttons unlock it, it slides out, with a cone material filter. It is washable.
The dock is a waste of time, the hook looks very fragile, the underneath of the handle sits on to it. Tools don't actually clip snugly, it's just a bracket. Charging is manual too, one has to remember to plug it in.

Not great, especially at £269, when even the Dyson v6 animal is only £10 more.


Post# 356666 , Reply# 17   7/26/2016 at 14:27 (2,829 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Sadly, they're all a bunch of

gottahaveahoove's profile picture
knockoffs. Imitation CAN be a great form of a compliment, this , we know.
But, then, there's just plain old 'fake'.
As I said, I can spot a fake from miles away. I'm sure most can.
My cousin's son recently got married. His 'bride' registered for a Shark...... well, she got a Reed and Barton silver bowl from me. I'd die before I'd purchase one.
This Dyson look alike...well... they're just slapping that Hoover logo on anything. We know this.


Post# 356680 , Reply# 18   7/26/2016 at 16:50 (2,829 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
The irony is that the Hoover we have in the UK is NOT under TTI control but from Candy of Italy. Hoover Australia is part of TTI.

Post# 356689 , Reply# 19   7/26/2016 at 23:00 (2,829 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Isn't it all a bit crazy?

gottahaveahoove's profile picture

These names all broken up like this?  And, they all wanted that red Hoover logo.. and some patents.


Post# 356691 , Reply# 20   7/27/2016 at 04:01 (2,829 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

"Isn't it all a bit crazy? These names all broken up like this? And, they all wanted that red Hoover logo.. and some patents."

Well I don't think so, no. It's like I have said many times, when a well-known brand goes bust there is often still a lot of "value" in just the name. In this instance various parts of the Hoover brand from around the world were sold off to different companies who wanted to sell their goods in that area.

When the Merloni group (who owned the Indesit, New World, and Ariston brands) eventually acquired the whole of what was the GDA group (with contained Creda, Cannon, and the European arm of Hotpoint) they almost immediately suspended use of many of the names such as Ariston, Creda, and New World, as in the UK Indesit and Hotpoint are so very well known, with a loyal fan base to each.

Whatever one thinks of these new Hoover and Vax cleaners, from the point of view of people who sell them like Adam here, at least there isn't the worry that customers who choose one over a Dyson will be spending less in the shop, so margin should at least be round about the same whatever they buy. The task is to make sure they buy any brand and not walk out the shop empty handed.


Post# 356849 , Reply# 21   7/30/2016 at 04:01 (2,826 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

Henryfreyfuss,

How am I supposed to know how the wand broke? I didn't design it or know how its put together do I. I was using it to vacuum my carpets, next thing the top was coming way at the top of the wand, It just broke at the top where the plastic joins the wand. As I advised before, I saw a post on Dysons facebook showing this. The hairlinecrack I have on the rear of the handle can only be rectified with a brand new motor assembly. - a waste for such a small item. The new V8 lacks this cover on the back of the handle, its complete all the way round.

Its great that Dyson supply spare parts but it would be nice to feel it wouldn't break in the first instance, that's all. I only get a 1 year warranty also as its a Dyson refurbished model.


Post# 356850 , Reply# 22   7/30/2016 at 04:07 (2,826 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

Vintagerepairer,

Its funny you mention about Merloni taking over GDA. My Hotpoint that I purchased in 2015 says Indesit Conpany SPA on the sticker in the door area.

It behaves just like an Indesit, essentially, it is an Indesit inside. Not a bad machine for the price and a 9kg drum with inverter motor.

I wonder if the VAX, Hoover have a smart charging system where it turns off and you can just leaveit plugged in all the time.


Post# 356857 , Reply# 23   7/30/2016 at 10:24 (2,825 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

I see today in the pamphlet that the Vax cleaners are "on sale" for £149. Who knew?

Post# 356896 , Reply# 24   7/31/2016 at 00:01 (2,825 days old) by dartman (Portland OR)        
Bought a cheap upright cordless here

Woot.com had a deal on a Rowenta Delta Force 18 volt upright just after Xmas here in the States. It claims up to 40 minute run time on normal slow speed and 30 on turbo fast/carpet mode.
It only does floors, has a power brush in the head, removable small dust bin, a cleanable foam filter and actually does clean and groom my carpet pretty well, it also really does run about half an hour even in turbo mode.
As long as the debris aren't huge it picks up well and isn't too loud either. We use it for touch ups and cleaning up quickly when my parrot makes a mess with his treats and things.
Pretty sure it has a lithium ion battery and power stays strong till it gets very close to dead.
Usually we keep it against a wall out of the way and charge it after 4 or 5 uses before it gets low at around 5 or 10 minutes per use.
I've had it since late last December and it still works and holds a good charge.
It was 90 shipped and retailed at 150 to 200 I think. They also make 12 volt and 24 volt versions and run time goes up or down depending on the voltage.
If anyone here wants just a nice cordless floor only cleaner with a power head keep an eye out for these on blow out sales on places like Woot.
I've had it since late last December and it still works and holds a good charge.


Post# 357012 , Reply# 25   8/2/2016 at 01:46 (2,823 days old) by Adamthemieleman (North Yorkshire )        

An update, I gave it another go on some hard flooring in our store. It picked up dust but that's about it. As soon as I stopped, stones fell out of the floorhead. Not good.
The Dyson fluffy picked it up well though


Post# 357280 , Reply# 26   8/7/2016 at 20:20 (2,817 days old) by godfreys_guy (Melbourne, Australia)        
For the millionth time....

godfreys_guy's profile picture
Hoover in Australia is used under licence by Godfreys - they source from TTI, Candy, and their own products. Hoover is only used on floor care/air care and not on major appliances here.

The Hoover and vax models have digital motors - the Vax was on display at our work's expo 2 weeks ago and considering it will be $199 retail (Dyson DC45 is $399 retail) it's a pretty decent piece of kit for the price, the suction was in-between min and max on the Dyson, but runs for 20 minutes +\-.

Have a look at the stick products coming out in Aus at the moment:
www.godfreys.com.au...

The hoover stuff is decent, but in line with pricing.
TTI has pulled the vax air products, and they are being re-launched through Godfrey's as Hoover branded instead, I think a lack of marketing meant that Vax just couldn't pull the numbers!

We pay a really fair price for the Sauber (lux vacuums) and the Vorwerk too!



Post# 357305 , Reply# 27   8/8/2016 at 06:44 (2,816 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
So, can you confirm that the Hoover Freedom stick and the Vax TTI equivalents are different models or are they the same?

Post# 357355 , Reply# 28   8/9/2016 at 01:52 (2,816 days old) by Adamthemieleman (North Yorkshire )        

Nar, our local Vax sales manager showed me the Vax and they are exactly the same machine. The Vax has an upgraded floorhead and an upgraded battery based on Ryobi. I would not be surprised if Hoover Europe has a deal with TTI.

They are not digital motors, they get very warm, unlike the Dyson


Post# 357362 , Reply# 29   8/9/2016 at 09:38 (2,815 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

sebo_fan's profile picture
Thank you for confirming the info, Adam! They do look similar but I wanted to know exactly.


Forum Index:       Other Forums:                      



Comes to the Rescue!

Woops, Time to Check the Bag!!!
Either you need to change your vacuum bag or you forgot to LOG-IN?

Discuss-O-MAT Log-In



New Members
Click Here To Sign Up.



                     


automaticwasher.org home
Discuss-o-Mat Forums
Vintage Brochures, Service and Owners Manuals
Fun Vintage Washer Ephemera
See It Wash!
Video Downloads
Audio Downloads
Picture of the Day
Patent of the Day
Photos of our Collections
The Old Aberdeen Farm
Vintage Service Manuals
Vintage washer/dryer/dishwasher to sell?
Technical/service questions?
Looking for Parts?
Website related questions?
Digital Millennium Copyright Act Policy
Our Privacy Policy