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Thread Number: 31213
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
Bad Combination: Small Wheels and Smooth Cords on Miele Canisters |
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| Post# 345278 2/25/2016 at 06:04 (2,975 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
I love my Miele S8/C3 full size canister.
But.... I think the company must use a different cord covering material than most North American vacuum manufacturers. My Miele canister has a very smooth, shiny, black rubber or plastic covering - kind of like the material on the cords of electric drills and power tools. The vacuum cords I am used to from Hoover, Kenmore and the old Eurekas have a ribbed material rubber sheath covering them. The problem is: my Miele refuses to ride over the cord on bare floors! No matter how hard I pull! I have to go over and bend down and literally pick the canister up off the floor to get it moving again. I never had this problem with any other canister vacuum I have ever owned. My other canisters all had giant rear wheels that seemed to roll over the power cords much more easily - and if they somehow got stuck on the cord on a bare floor, I just needed to pull up on the front of the canister with the hose and the two rear wheels could be pulled easily over the cord. My Kenmore Progressive canister never had this problem as the ribbed covering on the cord gave the wheels some "traction" to ride over the cord on bare floors. Do 220-volt European Mieles have the same smooth rubber covering on their cords/cables/flexes? Do European users of Mieles have the same problem as I am experiencing? If yes, maybe Miele should cave in and change over to nice big rear wheels like Electrolux uses on their UltraOnes? Putting large rear wheels on my Miele C3 would make a great vacuum much much more easy to use. Vacuumlander thoughts? | ||
| Post# 345284 , Reply# 1 2/25/2016 at 07:07 (2,974 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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Brian, All cord reel power cables are smooth. It makes them rewind better. I can only presume Miele uses small casters for aesthetics, and to save weight. | ||
| Post# 345291 , Reply# 2 2/25/2016 at 07:42 (2,974 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 345294 , Reply# 3 2/25/2016 at 07:46 (2,974 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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Oh, ok Brian, Well, that explains why my Eureka-Lux oxygen cord always wants to rewind on it's own then. Which C3 do you have? The cream colored Alize has air filled wheels. I think the former S8 unique also did, but they took them off the 2015 brilliant model. | ||
| Post# 345295 , Reply# 4 2/25/2016 at 07:54 (2,974 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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I wanted the Alize, but they were not available in Canada. But our wonderful McHardy Vacuum in London, Ontario was offering a beautiful white S8 Miele FreshAir special edition with SpotLight Handle, Long Flexible Crevice Tool and Universal Dusting Brush for $CAD550 plus free shipping to Montreal! An offer I quickly took advantage of!
However, my S8 does not have the shock absorber wheels like the Alize has...it's too bad because the vac is excellent in all other respects. And it's so quiet!!! :-) | ||
Post# 345301 , Reply# 6 2/25/2016 at 09:03 (2,974 days old) by countryguy  (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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| Post# 345319 , Reply# 8 2/25/2016 at 10:53 (2,974 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 345421 , Reply# 9 2/25/2016 at 20:39 (2,974 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Hi Randy,
I think my canister gets stuck on the cord more times than I would need to push it sideways. Thinking back over all the years of using various canisters, I can't think of more than a handful of times when I needed to push the canister sideways for any reason. 90% of the time you are pulling it in a direct line behind you, and more often than not, it is going to need to roll over the electric cord while cleaning. "Dear Mr. Miele, I love your canister cleaner. But could you please put bigger wheels on the back of the vac? Filn danke. EurekaPrince in Canada." | ||
| Post# 345454 , Reply# 12 2/26/2016 at 06:42 (2,973 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Mike,
My first Miele was a lightweight S2 Contour (Canadian name for the Olympus). Though it does not have the black rubber gasket around the bag compartment, the fit is exact enough to block any suction leakage. I can feel no air being sucked in through the bag compartment edges on the body. It was an unbelievable steal at Canadian Tire for CAD$349 - including a mini turbo nozzle and the $100 AirTeq carpet nozzle. This vac is great. So great, that it convinced me to go and get the fancier S8/C3FreshAir one year later. The C3 gave me tools under the hood and longer wands, cord and hose. But as a budget vac, the S2/C1 is amazing! Compact, lightweight, powerful, quiet..and very simple. Consumer Reports test results were similar to the fancier Alize in bare floor cleaning, air-flow through the hose, filtration and noise suppression. And I can't believe how much dirt can be packed into those blue collar bags before needing a change. Amazing. I just want bigger Miele wheels on the back! 😀 | ||
| Post# 345461 , Reply# 13 2/26/2016 at 08:20 (2,973 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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Post# 346911 , Reply# 14 3/9/2016 at 22:56 (2,961 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States) |
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miele c1 and prima I have the Miele C1 olympus. Apparently all of the Miele canisters use the same motor, so the power is the same. While the Prima may not be able to move sideways, it does spin around very easily if you need to change direction. Also, I think the Prima is slightly quieter than the Miele. | ||
| Post# 346916 , Reply# 15 3/9/2016 at 23:42 (2,961 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here) | ||
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| Post# 346917 , Reply# 16 3/9/2016 at 23:52 (2,961 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here) | ||
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Perhaps a trip to the hardware store to buy some straight wheels and a pivoting wheel for the front?
As for the cord, I agree with you. Except for my shop vac, with a 6' cord, I can't think of a vacuum I have with a polished smooth cord. Everything has a ribbed cord. Ribbed for safety reasons.
If you're handy, you can change the cord on your vac.
Three wire, utiltiy extension cords typically have smooth sheathing. 
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| Post# 346918 , Reply# 17 3/9/2016 at 23:53 (2,961 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here) | ||
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Post# 346925 , Reply# 18 3/10/2016 at 03:14 (2,961 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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I've seen machines with various cords:
Hoover Celebrity, Dimension, Futura, PowerMax machines all were ribbed. --- PowerMax and Futura black cords are much stiffer than prior series and tend to jam the winders due to how stiff they are. Permanent loops always visible in the cords. Hoover Anniversary Windtunnel S3670- smooth cord with the goofy yellow and red line. I'm sorry I think the yellow and red marks on the cord are lame. Just pull the cord till it doesn't come out anymore! Kenmores-- ribbed cords. Eureka Express and World Vac canisters I believe were smooth cords. Eureka Rally-- cheap yellow straight suction model--- smooth cord with yellow/ red labels. Panasonic Jet Flo MC9527- smooth cords-- semi stiff, permanent loops visible in cord but not as bad as 90's and 2000's Hoovers. Riccar/ Simplicity cords- smooth. Depending on floor surface, the machine may have issues rolling over cord as some models with the 4 wheel swivel wheels are a very low profile wheel. Sebo D4 Premium- Smooth cord. Long 40' -- longest cord I've ever seen on a retracting cord winder system. As far as Meile canisters. I've tried 2 in my life. One was at a dealership with a SEB217 power nozzle. A very quiet power nozzle that did get up some surface lint. Other than that I'm not sure how great it actually cleaned as far as deep down. The 4 wheel swivel design was awesome on the stores hardwood designed laminate flooring. The machine glided across that floor with extreme ease from any direction. I don't remember it being tested over its own cord and don't remember maneuvering it around on a carpet. At a collectors home I vacuumed his dining room with a Miele Silver moon. A strange name for the unit as the color was a navy blue. It was equipped with a SEB 236 headlight equipped TOL power nozzle. The machine cleaned Ok. Suction and airflow are good but I've experienced better on other units!! Overall the vacuum was nothing special to me though. Hose was not very long, it took some tug to get to manuever around the room. I think the Hoover canisters with large rear wheels do better at trailing behind. I'm used to backing out of a room with a machine and just ease a suction unit backwards with my foot or sometimes my hand. I've ever had the urge to kick a machine sideways, similar to what EurekaPrince mentioned. Despite the HEPA bags and great supposed filtration of a Miele, the machine definitely carries odor and lets it escape. This collector has a gorgeously maintained home and maintained machines too. It has nothing to do with lack of service or environment! From experience with Riccars the machine does a very good job at trapping odors in the HEPA bags and carbon layer of the pre motor filter. Aerus Guardian machines with the tall filter that although not very attractive, does work well and filtered air is near odorless. | ||
| Post# 346941 , Reply# 19 3/10/2016 at 07:27 (2,960 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Most abused Miele vacs I have seen have stinking hoses and handles - both can be dismantled and cleaned out which owners never do.
As for the Miele issue - and being the owner of an S8 which I adore - it is not the cord to blame. The cord gets stuck under my doors as does the cord on my older SEBO cylinders (not so much an issue with the current ones) as well as other brands. And yes I have experienced the same issue where the body of the vacuum gets stuck under the cords. I believe it is the Miele castor wheels and not the wheels themselves, but the frame in which holds them - they dont drop down far enough. As the owner of a SEBO E1 Airbelt which has enough surface area to jump over the cord, the S8 is nearly flush to the floor as per its design. Miele may well update the castor design sooner if they sample what other rivals are doing. | ||
| Post# 354414 , Reply# 21 6/23/2016 at 17:06 (2,855 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Post# 354428 , Reply# 23 6/23/2016 at 19:44 (2,855 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States) |
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filters I think a package of bags includes two of the three filters, wonder which ones they are. There's the bags, then behind the bag is a filter, right above that, laying flat in the compartment is the third filter, and then there is a fourth filter in the bag door itself. I always thought the filter that was in the bag door was the exhaust filter. | ||
| Post# 354448 , Reply# 24 6/24/2016 at 03:14 (2,855 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Im not sure what you are referring to. The Miele dust exhaust filter is on top of the motor which sits in a housing that can be seen when you lift the bin door to gain access to the bag. In the lid itself there might be a black foam insert that sits on top of that exhaust filter - one of them came with my Miele S8 - it is there for sealing the filter to stop noise as well as slightly insulating the sound of the filter. A motor protection filter exists behind the bag.
The black foam strip is there for owners who will use the Super Air Clean filters instead of HEPA or AAC FILTERS. The black strip usually has to be removed if adding these filters as the door might not close properly. To my knowledge that's all there is. | ||
| Post# 354449 , Reply# 25 6/24/2016 at 05:08 (2,855 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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Yes Nar, I meant to say, you use one or the other. The super air clean filter, or the hepa filter. The charcoal activated one comes with pet models, yes? | ||
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Post# 354452 , Reply# 26 6/24/2016 at 09:10 (2,854 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States) |
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foam cover Yes, on the inside of the bag door, right where the exhaust vent is on the outside, there is something that looks like a filter, but it sounds like that's not a filter at all, just something to muffle the sound. I may remove that piece and see if it's any louder, since I don't have allergies, I will probably just use the filters that come with the bags, I really don't need the hepa filter. | ||
| Post# 354458 , Reply# 27 6/24/2016 at 10:27 (2,854 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Its a sound insulation pad, N0oxy. When fitted with either filter (I just checked) above the motor, no whistle is emitted when the machine powers down. When the foam pad is removed, a whistle can be heard from the filter on board. Evidently a last minute Miele design input.
Vacerator - the pet models are equipped with the AAC filter or HEPA dependent on Miele canister variant. | ||
| Post# 354482 , Reply# 29 6/24/2016 at 15:28 (2,854 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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