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Post# 343222   2/9/2016 at 06:19 (2,992 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        

Thanks also to Charlie Kirby, and Bill W. (Tazcatsdad) for the welocome.
Wow Gary, you live way up near North Bay! I've been to Montreal, and my folks took us camping in Peterborough when we were kids.
Bill W, I've seen several of your youtube videos. All those nice machines keep you occupied during the harsh winters.

Now, the repair nightmare. From now on, I will avoid all newer plastic cheezy machines.
Our daughter bought a nice (looking) Electrolux Oxygen 3 from Lowes about 4 years ago. I remember she paid $400 to $500 for it. Three weeks ago, she calls and says it won't run. No led strobe lights on the canister, nothing!
So, she drops it off and I go online to do research. Common trouble #1 is the glass fuse on the sumo board. #2 is the hose continuity. #3 is the cord reel connections.
A multitetser revealed hose continuity, so I removed the top cover on the canister. Sure enough, the glass buss fuse was blown. Not much room to connect a heat sink to re solder on a new one, so I call my local vac repair shop and they got me a new sumo board for $35. I figured not bad, as this machine is still too nice to pitch in the trash. A meter check also revealed power cable continuity.
After connecting the new board and plugging in the unit, all the led strobe lights were lit and cycling. I touched the on button on the hose handle, and nothing! A second or two later, it starts on it's own on low speed. What?
It would not shut off now, nor would it switch to a higher speed. I unplugged it, and plugged it back in. Nothing again!
Surely, the culprit must be the strain gauge array in the handle switch. Little printed circuits under conductive rubber buttons below the plastic buttons. Not avaialable sepaeratly of course. A $100 new hose the only option. No, just no. The wires on this switch array look about as durable as from 1960's Japanese or Hong Kong battery toy.
So, what to do? A fine looking, very quiet running machine assembled in Hungary, but with 4 Chinese Leffoo pressure sensor transducers and three circuit boards to control motor speed. Why? An environmentally designed product says AB Electrolux.
Really? If it has to be recycled so young, it needs more energy, and more raw materials to do so. The automatic motor speed regulation must save at least a penny a month in power.
Now I know some Miele models also use this auto speed control.
So, I go buy a three way two pole rocker switch. I take apart the switch array, and figure out which wires go to the power nozzle, and which turn on the main motor. I disconnect the switch array altogether, and wire in the new rocker switch.
I drilled a hole in the side of the handle which has enough plastic to mount the switch. It holds the dusting brush and crevice tool, which had been lost anyhow.
Oval hose end and wand extension tube, so no using generic attachments. Figures.
While I was at it, I gutted those pressure transducers, and boards and wired the motor directly to the other pole on the rocker switch from the hose wiring socket.
I got the darn thing to run. Always on high, but it will clean her house again.
She says next time, she will just buy a Shark. A busy mom has no time for vacuum cleaner repair shop visits. They'd rather spend a hundred or so every few years, and toss it in the trash. Again, not good for the environment.
Sorry for the rambling on, but now what I learned about strain gauge arrays.
There are lower cost types for about $20. These are suseptable to static, and temperature fluctuations, which can make them not function. Then, there are better ones which are less suseptable for about $60.
The cheaper type are fine for a microwave oven. Not for a pyrolityc heated one, nor a vacuum cleaner which draws cooler than ambient air which can change the handle and switch array temperature.
Miele must use the better strain gauge arrays of course, and they add a static discharge wire in their handles. Then again, their machines are upwards of $500.


Post# 343227 , Reply# 1   2/9/2016 at 07:26 (2,992 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Mike,

Yup I am 'way up' north! LOL It really isn't way up.....only 180 miles north of Toronto....there is a lot more province and country north of me :-)

Gary


Post# 343240 , Reply# 2   2/9/2016 at 11:24 (2,992 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
WELCOME, Mike!

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You'll find that I only collect Hoover products....MANY of them, over 400. They DO multiply, like bunnies.
However, I DO support those who collect 'other' makes, contrary to my reputation.
You'll find this to be a great place to share, learn, enjoy, etc.. everything in the 'vacuum world'. Someone knows something, many know a lot, some know a little about a lot, etc... and some may know nothing, or next to nothing.

So, relax, enjoy, share, post pics. If there's a part you need, a vac you want, a repair you want to learn, this is the place for you. Welcome to the sandbox!
John , Voice pres of The V.C.C.C.


Post# 343241 , Reply# 3   2/9/2016 at 11:36 (2,992 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I think the above narrative lends further credence to my assertion that all those little circuit boards are actually little more than self-destruct mechanisms to force hapless customers to toss their "un-repairable" vacuums and buy more short-lived plasti-junk to replace them, thus ensuring a steadier revenue stream for manufacturers. I never used to consider myself a Luddite but I find my self leaning that way more and more as I get older. This is especially in the area of home appliances, where I am fully convinced that lower tech is, more often than not, better tech.

Post# 343247 , Reply# 4   2/9/2016 at 12:50 (2,992 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        

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I am not knowing anything just taking up space in an already over crowded world

Post# 343249 , Reply# 5   2/9/2016 at 12:52 (2,992 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
lower tech is better

I think less features are sometimes better as well. This is one reason why I'm not a fan of controls in the handle of the hose, it's just more components to fail. I don't even think a motor speed control is needed, if you want less suction, open the relief valve, it's low tech but it works, and isn't likely to fail.

Post# 343271 , Reply# 6   2/9/2016 at 15:15 (2,992 days old) by Mike81 ()        

I have heard plenty of circuit board problems in the recent Electrolux vacuums, but those are the ones with the automatic suction control and/or electric hose.
I had basic (manual motor speed control) straight suction UltraOne about 5 years in daily use without any problems.
Would I buy another after hearing these problems? Yes I would, BUT only the basic model that seems to work very well.


Post# 343294 , Reply# 7   2/9/2016 at 17:14 (2,992 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)        

Thanks John, Mr. president of vccc.
You have a nice Hoover collection. I have only one. One of the last central vacuum power units made in Canton. Circa 1996.
I grew up with Eureka, so the apple fell close to the tree so to speak.
However, The Celebrity QS is a nice machine. I passed one up for sale in a resale shop back in the early 90's in Ionia Michigan. It was turquoise and Chrome with the quadraflex II power nozzle. It was in fine condition. If I bring one more home, I may find them all on the front porch. Borderline hoarding?
Fortunately, ho scale Marklin trains are smaller than vacuums because I have way many more of those.
Mike in Finland, great name by the way. I also have a circa 2002 Oxygen branded for Eureka by Electrolux. It still runs great, and has the slider speed control.
I am sure it was made in Vastervik Sweden. Newer machines are made in Hungary with many parts from China. I did not know a manual speed controlled Ultra One was still made. It's a handsome looking machine. I also liked the bagless cyclone power made early in the new millennium. It was called the Eureka Whirlwind powerteam here. Sears also sold a Kenmore version.
My only dream machine yet is a Miele C3 Marin, Kona, or Brilliant.


Post# 343298 , Reply# 8   2/9/2016 at 17:43 (2,992 days old) by DaveTranter (Central England, U.K.)        
'Self Destruct'

I couldn't agree more with 'Human' (Reply#3). Such an eloquent statement of my own feelings. Sadly it isn't only home appliances.... I dread to think what I will do when my car finally dies. It's a mid- '90s model, pretty much the last made without a plethora of unnecessary electronics. Turn the key one way, it starts... Turn it the other way, it stops. Brakes and steering strictly mechanical. It seems that NO new cars are now available in the U.K. without 'suicide boards' all over them.

Hope this doesn't hijack the thread too far!!

All best

Dave T


Post# 343302 , Reply# 9   2/9/2016 at 18:11 (2,992 days old) by Mike81 ()        

Here is picture of the current Classic model. It has just a simple manual knob to change the speed. Colors vary in different countries. In Finland Classic is white. Too shame they don't make them in Sweden anymore. I have old Volta U258 (Electrolux in some countries) from the late 80's and it's still running strong. It's made in Sweden of cource. Color is just horrible :)


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Post# 343305 , Reply# 10   2/9/2016 at 18:39 (2,992 days old) by blknblu (CT)        

Those cheap controls are a pain to repair.

Also, having the controls on the hose is a bad idea (IMHO).

It may be convenient, but for longevity, I think it is better they are on the main body.

I have 2 Panasonic made Kenmore vacuums with broken plastic bits that work, but I doubt they will last as long as the older vacuums. Same thing with cheap, flimsy control boards. 

I also have a shark that someone gave us new, but it sits in the corner.

For daily work I have my Electrolux's (1205, Olympia One, super J) as well as a central vac.

I find the Kenmore hoses too bulky, and the vacuums are like large frozen turkeys.

The attachments for the Kenmore are poor, a result of being compromised to fit under a cover on the vacuum.


Post# 343385 , Reply# 11   2/10/2016 at 11:34 (2,991 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
You're most welcome.

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I'm the vice pres, not the 'pres'. That is our Chad Cunningham. You'll be hearing from him soon. You might consider joining the V.C.C.C. too.


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