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Thread Number: 31022
/ Tag: Recent Vacuum Cleaners from past 20 years
the rise in popularity of cylinder vacuums in the UK |
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| Post# 342822 2/4/2016 at 12:06 (3,002 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
 Hi Everyone, I noticed today that one of my neighbours has replaced her Vax Naked upright thing with a Dyson Ball Animal cylinder thing. And this got me thinking about something I hadn't really picked up, but cylinders definitely are on the rise in the UK. | ||
| Post# 342835 , Reply# 1 2/4/2016 at 14:26 (3,001 days old) by citroenbx (england) | ||
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| Post# 342865 , Reply# 3 2/4/2016 at 22:25 (3,001 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
A lot of people I know in my town haven't bought cylinder vacs but rather the cordless hand helds from Dyson and countless other cordless type vacs. As mentioned in other forums, I believe people are returning to the idea of a cylinder vacuum VIA the hand held or cordless vacuums. Once they realise that small tools can work dependent on the design, then they can naturally make the same assumptions with more conventional vacs.
I have noticed that a lot more shops are selling cylinder vacs versus uprights, too.. There seems to be a trait here based on the fact that for every one upright vacuum in a box, you can effectively have three boxes of cylinder vacs and one box alone tends to be a lot easier to take out of a high street shop from the buyer's point of view. The cost price also helps too, particularly when not many other budget brands other than existing ones PLUS the supermarket exclusives offer budget priced uprights versus a cheap pull along vac. | ||
| Post# 343309 , Reply# 5 2/9/2016 at 19:39 (2,996 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
I haven't noticed that many people near me with cylinders. The vast majority seem to have uprights.
I do agree that the cordless type has really taken off at the moment, probably partly because of that very flashy advert from G-tech. Vax and Dyson also advertise on TV their cordless machines, so it is hardly surprising about the cordless being popular. I think it will just be a faze with those, though, since people will quickly realise they are incapable of the "fulsize" job they are put up against. Back to the topic of cylinders, I really think that people buy them because they are in general cheaper to buy than uprights. I will always buy/stick with uprights, just what I grew up with, I think they are far easier to use, store and are superior in performance to a cylinder, possibly more convenient than a cylinder too. My opinion. Alex. | ||
| Post# 343338 , Reply# 6 2/9/2016 at 23:54 (2,996 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here) | ||
I wonder if it is the very success of Henry and his pals, that is prompting other manufacturers to think it's a potential market. What' more, Henry is cute, but lets admit, he's a bit outdated. Perhaps these other manufacturers see a maturing flower, thus potential for stealing market share?
I've heard there is a limited number on offer, that have an electric carpet brush. Apparently this guy is no longer available? Too bad... 
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| Post# 343339 , Reply# 7 2/9/2016 at 23:56 (2,996 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here) | ||
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Even though I'm lowly, and live in the U.S., I got my first Henry and he has a PN, he even came from the U.K. via Royal Mail.....
---- but, I don't know IF-F-F.... he "counts". | ||
| Post# 343350 , Reply# 8 2/10/2016 at 02:01 (2,996 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Reply #5 I noticed that there are more upright users in my area as well. There are cylinders, but mostly Henry's, Hetty's, Dyson DC19's, DC28C's and high end ball models | ||
| Post# 343352 , Reply# 9 2/10/2016 at 04:01 (2,996 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Sorry, I should've been a bit more specific.
I would definitely say that uprights are still the more popular, but I'm noticing more and more people buying new cylinders rather than uprights. Even people who used to have uprights are switching to cylinders. Tayyab made some good points above, especially regarding cylinder pressence in commercial environments possibly influencing the domestic market - we see so many commercial cylinder vacs in the workplace, schools, hotels etc that perhaps people are cottoning on the reliability factor? I have to say, there seems to be far more choice in terms of cylinders on the market than uprights. Since Panasonic stopped making vacuums, there's no "decent but cheap" uprights on the market anymore. | ||
| Post# 343354 , Reply# 11 2/10/2016 at 04:53 (2,996 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 343376 , Reply# 12 2/10/2016 at 10:44 (2,996 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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If the cylinder in question comes with interchangeable floor heads I see no convenience being taken away, but rather an added convenience - particularly when owners may have to do that presently changing from combi or turbo brush to combi or when taking said machine out to the car.
Ive said it before and I'll say it again. Whilst Im sure canisters with PNs are popular, I have not been that much of a fan of them; hoses aren't as flexible as non-electric and other brands have exterior power cords that sit outside that sit too vulnerable to the floor head. Also Im not keen on the weight. From the front of the floor head no matter if the PN brush bar floats or aids gliding to the weight of the machine at the back. Much prefer a traditional upright where the weight is all in one place. | ||
| Post# 343396 , Reply# 13 2/10/2016 at 13:58 (2,996 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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In theory, power nozzle cylinders should be perfect. I mean, it's upright carpet performance coupled with the convenience and flexibility of a cylinder, what's not to love? But in reality, I'm inclided to agree with Nar. The heavier hoses and often chunky handles to cope with the remote controls, in my experience, take away from the benefits of using a cylinder. I'd much rather use an air driven turbo brush or just straight suction with a well designed floortool. | ||
| Post# 343403 , Reply# 14 2/10/2016 at 15:00 (2,995 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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delaneymegan Your little Henry is so cute. I don't often tell another guy his Henry is cute btw.
I wonder if this is what Jeanie had in her bottle on I Dream of Jeanie?
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| Post# 343407 , Reply# 15 2/10/2016 at 15:24 (2,995 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Not sure if you've noticed delaneymorgan, but your Henry is actually a Harry. | ||
| Post# 343411 , Reply# 16 2/10/2016 at 15:33 (2,995 days old) by PARWAZ786 ( ) | ||
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I seen a Henry laundry basket in town once (one of those fabric spring loaded laundry baskets) looked really cool- didn't get one for reasons I am unaware of sadly. | ||
| Post# 343429 , Reply# 17 2/10/2016 at 19:42 (2,995 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here) | ||
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".... give you some kind of idea as to how popular Numatics actually are here" I know, Chris. If there is one thing I've learned in the last couple of months, it's that Henry and his pals, are much loved in Britain. I'm constantly amazed at how prolific Numatic has been. I'm easing into getting a Henry vac, and I'm not really open to expanding my collection. Still Henry is intriquing. I watched this video and was rather impressed with George, as well. CLICK HERE TO GO TO delaneymeegan's LINK | ||
| Post# 343477 , Reply# 18 2/11/2016 at 08:18 (2,995 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 343533 , Reply# 19 2/11/2016 at 14:42 (2,994 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
In the USA
We don't buy canister (cylinder) vacuums much because they generally are not available. The average U.S. consumer buys their vacuum from Wal-Mart, Target, K-Mart, etc. while shopping for other things at the same time. There simply aren't canister cleaners on the shelves, so we really can't buy one except through a large SEARS store or a vacuum specialty shop. Bed, Bath, and Beyond carry Miele canisters, but there aren't many B.B.and B. stores except in major cities - there's a Wal-Mart everywhere.
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| Post# 343537 , Reply# 20 2/11/2016 at 15:00 (2,994 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 343552 , Reply# 21 2/11/2016 at 16:47 (2,994 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here) | ||
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Chris- I apologize for calling my Harry a Henry.
Tom- That's a good observation about the lack of available canisters (cylinders) in the U.S. I was at a Walmart (Asda) recently, and just had to walk down the vacuum isle. You're right, it was just all Hoover, Bissell, and Shark UPRIGHTs. blah. I'm looking to get a 'Henry Micro' and am wondering what the differences are between this and a standard Henry. Will he have a 2 speed motor? The "auto save" feature. I take it this is a 2 speed motor, but..... does it switch between the 2 speeds Automatically? And do the Numatics come with an accessory plug (receptacle) built-in, even though they don't come with an electric power nozzle? | ||
| Post# 343568 , Reply# 22 2/11/2016 at 19:45 (2,994 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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"Like a lot of SEBO vacs, the bags last for months" | ||
| Post# 343569 , Reply# 23 2/11/2016 at 19:49 (2,994 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 343592 , Reply# 24 2/12/2016 at 02:21 (2,994 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Delaneymorgan, the Henry Micro is the same as a regular Henry except it has upgraded filters.
The Autosave is no longer in production. Numatic have gone back to twin speed motors with a normal rocker switch. AutoSave was similar but had a spring loaded switch to put the cleaner into high power so it defaulted to low power when you turned the cleaner on, hence the term "AutoSave". I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by "built in accessory plug"? | ||
| Post# 343594 , Reply# 25 2/12/2016 at 04:36 (2,994 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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"built in accessory plug" : I read "socket". I can only speak of the UK models and have not seen a power socket in years, probably because Numatic bought out a whole cleaner with power head and stopped the option to purchase the PN for any model. | ||
| Post# 343595 , Reply# 26 2/12/2016 at 04:53 (2,994 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 343607 , Reply# 27 2/12/2016 at 09:53 (2,994 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 343619 , Reply# 28 2/12/2016 at 10:09 (2,994 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 343671 , Reply# 29 2/12/2016 at 11:54 (2,994 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 343673 , Reply# 30 2/12/2016 at 12:01 (2,994 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 343676 , Reply# 31 2/12/2016 at 12:18 (2,994 days old) by Parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Lol We never had a smelly vacuum TBH,bagged or bagless probably because we have no pets! We will be getting more pets this year (19 goldfish is boring) ;D | ||
| Post# 343678 , Reply# 32 2/12/2016 at 12:33 (2,994 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 343684 , Reply# 34 2/12/2016 at 13:14 (2,994 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 343701 , Reply# 35 2/12/2016 at 14:06 (2,994 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here) | ||
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Thanks guys, for the information on Henry. As for a smelly vac bag, I learned quite a while ago to carefully store the bag, inside another bag (or sealed container) and in the freezer, whenever the vacuum isn't in use. Why? Because the freezing kills most all dust mites and bacteria that typically have a big party in the dust bags, when the vac isn't in use. Also, there is a nice neutral fresh smell when you vacuum. The ease of removing, and the size of the bag, is thus, an issue. This is one reason I like my 80s Electroluxs. Just open the door and slide out the bag. Not as easy on Kenmore, Eureka, and Hoover canisters. I'm not sure Henry would be as simple, either. | ||
| Post# 343702 , Reply# 36 2/12/2016 at 14:09 (2,994 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 343713 , Reply# 37 2/12/2016 at 14:35 (2,993 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 343716 , Reply# 38 2/12/2016 at 14:57 (2,993 days old) by Parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Actually have 22 Animals; Dyson DC14 Animal DC33 Animal DC41 Animal Mk2 19 goldfish | ||
| Post# 343717 , Reply# 39 2/12/2016 at 15:00 (2,993 days old) by Parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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I never choose cylinders, an upright does everything a cylinder can (well mine can anyways) I can't get along with cylinders, even if I try. I really want to like them but I can't, literally! Too annoying to use and less fun IMHO. | ||
| Post# 343723 , Reply# 41 2/12/2016 at 15:43 (2,993 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 343726 , Reply# 43 2/12/2016 at 16:13 (2,993 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 343727 , Reply# 44 2/12/2016 at 16:18 (2,993 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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"I wouldn't say modern upright lack the performance of a Cylinder with the tools." I know you wouldn't. | ||
| Post# 343728 , Reply# 45 2/12/2016 at 16:21 (2,993 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 343733 , Reply# 47 2/12/2016 at 16:44 (2,993 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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I can't see Alex's comments, but I do the same as your mother, Benny. The upright is my go to for vacuuming the open areas throughout the week and then the cylinder is my deep cleaner for getting in the tight corners of the room and, of course, above floor. Sofa, curtains, stairs etc, as well as dusting down surfaces like windowsills and book cases.
And re: the backwards comment, frankly I'm not taking advice from anyone who can't grasp the idea that vacuuming is not just about carpets and doesn't vacuum their sofa. I'll stick to my system, it's working well for me. | ||
| Post# 343740 , Reply# 48 2/12/2016 at 19:13 (2,993 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 343784 , Reply# 50 2/13/2016 at 06:43 (2,993 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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The weekly clean in my house involves cleaning all of these areas, which are tricky with an upright. I can't abide having to use 2 vacuums to do a thorough clean, so I'll stick to my system.
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| Post# 343796 , Reply# 52 2/13/2016 at 07:57 (2,993 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Ok, there's a few well made points to address here. Obviously what vacuum is easiest for you depends on your own cleaning regime and the style of your house.
With regards to cylinders on stairs, I find them much easier. Tub vacs like Henry are, granted, more difficult to use. I can either do this as pictured and then go the other way from the top or, my preference, carry the vacuum with one hand and the hose with the other. Sledge style cylinders like in picture 2 are the easiest I find as they sit perfectly on the step and are considerably lighter than most uprights and tub cylinders, with a few exceptions. | ||
| Post# 343797 , Reply# 53 2/13/2016 at 08:00 (2,993 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 343798 , Reply# 54 2/13/2016 at 08:02 (2,993 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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However, we also have a storage bracket courtesy of IKEA that works well. Again, sledge cylinders are even easier than tubs due to the smaller footprint. This is how I usually store Henry. Bear in mind, I use the upright as my quick whip round vac throughout the week, so Henry only comes out on a weekend to do the deep clean. | ||
| Post# 343800 , Reply# 56 2/13/2016 at 08:05 (2,993 days old) by Parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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That's a pretty nice and big cellar! :D When was your house built? I live in a Victorian terraced house built in 1894 so it's about 122 years old and the cellar is about a door's width and the length is about 3 metres so it's long and narrow like a hallway | ||
| Post# 343802 , Reply# 57 2/13/2016 at 08:06 (2,993 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 343804 , Reply# 58 2/13/2016 at 08:10 (2,993 days old) by Parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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That's true! To be honest I have never ever seen a Miele or bagged cylinder (except tub vaxes and henrys) in my city in he flesh, except a box for a Miele S5 being thrown out. People hardly buy them :| | ||
| Post# 343805 , Reply# 59 2/13/2016 at 08:10 (2,993 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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It's not a cellar Tayyab, it's a cupboard under the stairs. A cellar would be bigger. Certainly the cellar at my old house was bigger than a cupboard as it ran underneath the full length of the house. | ||
| Post# 343806 , Reply# 60 2/13/2016 at 08:11 (2,993 days old) by Parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Is that IKEA bracket designed specifically for vacuum hoses? | ||
| Post# 343807 , Reply# 61 2/13/2016 at 08:11 (2,993 days old) by Parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Well the space under the stairs is what we call cellars :| | ||
| Post# 343808 , Reply# 62 2/13/2016 at 08:12 (2,993 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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People hardly buy them :| That's not true, otherwise Miele wouldn't continue to make them lol. And I don't think it's possible to have been in every house in Birmingham - it's kind of a big place lol. | ||
| Post# 343809 , Reply# 63 2/13/2016 at 08:13 (2,993 days old) by Parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Haha :P I know what about 90% of people on my road have because I seen them :D And the other streets surrounding me :P | ||
| Post# 343810 , Reply# 64 2/13/2016 at 08:17 (2,993 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
That's not a cellar. A cellar is a room underneath your house - it would be called a basement if we were in the US. I've never seen a new build with a cellar, but lots of older houses tend to have them. They used to be used to store coal and keep meats cold in the days before fridges existed. I know a lot of people who have converted them into playrooms, guest bedrooms and utility rooms. A friend of ours has converted hers into a huge kitchen-diner and resotred the original Victorian slate floor - it looks fantastic.
It certainly is! Link below
That's only one area though. If Miele and other cylinders didn't sell, they wouldn't make them. Which? and other consumer reports always rate them very highly, which boosts their sales. I loved my Miele Cat & Dog, but sold it on in favour of the Henry and my C3 Electro Comfort with the powernozzle.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO Turbo500's LINK | ||
| Post# 343816 , Reply# 65 2/13/2016 at 08:36 (2,993 days old) by Parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Awesome! You learn something new everyday :D My uncle has a cellar and one of our relatives also have one too, I called that a basement like the Americans do haha | ||
| Post# 343822 , Reply# 66 2/13/2016 at 08:50 (2,993 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 343824 , Reply# 67 2/13/2016 at 09:06 (2,993 days old) by Parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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For some reason we don't have a cellar despite it being built in the 1890's o_O I would love one and convert it to a room! Kinda off topic but I know people who converted their garages into living rooms aswell! Lovely ideas | ||
| Post# 343836 , Reply# 68 2/13/2016 at 09:49 (2,993 days old) by Mike81 () | ||
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I have a "minor" space issue, but everything is there.
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| Post# 343840 , Reply# 69 2/13/2016 at 10:05 (2,993 days old) by Mike81 () | ||
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Before this thread goes totally off topic I am curious to ask has anyone tried to use the upright with the long hose for hard floor vacuuming? Then I wouldn't need to use more than one vacuum. | ||
| Post# 343847 , Reply# 71 2/13/2016 at 10:36 (2,993 days old) by Mike81 () | ||
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Nice to hear. I can borrow a hose from one of my cylinders to give it a try and see how convenient it is. | ||
| Post# 343853 , Reply# 72 2/13/2016 at 11:20 (2,993 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Its a bulky solution no matter how many times you try and put an upright "upright" with a hose and an extension hose tagged to it.
One point that hasn't been mentioned is that whilst there are those who think an upright does a better job than a canister vacuum may well like to consider modern homes; they're not all open spaces. This has been discussed before where it is impossible to get an upright under lots of low furniture never mind around furniture in a home. Unless you live in an open space where everything is stored on a wall, I find cylinders are a lot easier to manage around a home than trying to steer through obstacles with a traditional upright vac. Of course, those with swivel joints improve movement. | ||
| Post# 343919 , Reply# 74 2/13/2016 at 20:40 (2,992 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here) | ||
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Uprights are good for covering large areas of carpet. Generally, the tools, the hose, and the suction isn't adequate for things like cleaning out a car, or doing steps.
Can you imagine using this? It's about 3 times as wide as a typical upright. It has a 7 GALLON bag and a 60' cord. Think of how fast you'd clean your house. CLICK HERE TO GO TO delaneymeegan's LINK 
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| Post# 344123 , Reply# 77 2/15/2016 at 10:59 (2,991 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 344132 , Reply# 78 2/15/2016 at 12:46 (2,991 days old) by Parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Lol, Nar :) Just our of curiosity, would you say the Oreck cleans better than a Dyson DC01 and Dc03? Reason being it's a dirty air :) | ||
| Post# 344134 , Reply# 79 2/15/2016 at 12:51 (2,991 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Thats a tricky one. Yes it will naturally be better on pick up being a dirty fan, but because of the one we owned had the hellish push on bag to dock principle, the bag had a tendency of coming off compared to more modern ones with a bag push in and lock holder.
Regardless of the updated bag holder, the main problem with the Oreck is the airflow/suction channel inside the spine at the back leading to the bag - terribly narrow and a tendency to clog. So although it might have better pick up than a Dyson, the Dyson has more modern and wider suction airflow channels to pass the dirt to the bin. | ||
| Post# 344190 , Reply# 80 2/15/2016 at 18:26 (2,990 days old) by Parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Brilliant answer, thank you :) Was considering an Oreck to play with, thought it was a cute design, but heard they are noisy so no really tempted anymore lol | ||
| Post# 344231 , Reply# 81 2/16/2016 at 04:52 (2,990 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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Oreck The older upright Orecks did get noisy when the brush roll bearings wore out, which was frequent. The only Oreck which ever tempted me was the Dutch tech canister (cylinder). Long gone as well, as David Oreck has sold his company to TTI floor care, aka (Hoover, Dirt Devil, etc.) Now they are all imported from China. | ||
| Post# 344256 , Reply# 82 2/16/2016 at 09:20 (2,990 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 344257 , Reply# 83 2/16/2016 at 09:40 (2,990 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 344260 , Reply# 84 2/16/2016 at 10:48 (2,990 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Nar, the McDonald Electric and the first Oreck are the same vacuum. They use the same design, but with a different name stamped on it.
Here is the Oreck branded version and McDonald Electric side by side. Oreck evolved over the years to become the more familiar design, but the basis of them all was the original, which David Oreck had no involvement with the design of at all. Incidentally, the McDonald Electric was one of the loudest vacuums I've ever known to exist. | ||
| Post# 344267 , Reply# 86 2/16/2016 at 12:00 (2,990 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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McDonald same as oreck? I wonder about that? I did some searching online. Only an Avanti came up. All older Orecks had stepped motor hoods, which tells me they had a larger motor. Nothing on A lightweight Whirlpool upright either. Prototype or production. | ||
| Post# 344270 , Reply# 87 2/16/2016 at 12:54 (2,990 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Vacerator, look at the 2 photos I posted. The first Oreck was, screw for screw and bristle for bristle, a McDonald Electric, which was made by Whirlpool. Not produced by the same company, but using the exact design. Over time, Oreck made their own adjustments, but the basis was always the original patent that David Oreck bought from Whirlpool.
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| Post# 344275 , Reply# 88 2/16/2016 at 13:40 (2,990 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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One thing I will hand to David Oreck He was a marketer. As for the vacuum, I once heard it described as "a Hokey with a motor."
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| Post# 344279 , Reply# 89 2/16/2016 at 14:52 (2,989 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Chris -= respectively though just because David Oreck didn't invent anything doesn't make anything wrong. Look at Bissell - they go about lauding up the fact that they were probably first to market the carpet upright washer, yet for years they actually only came to market in the 1990s with their carpet upright washers. Not exactly "years of experience" Infact Bissell market themselves as having 135 years in the cleaning business but Im sure the average buyer would mistakenly think Bissell have been making vacuums for 135 years.
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| Post# 344332 , Reply# 91 2/17/2016 at 02:19 (2,989 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 344333 , Reply# 92 2/17/2016 at 02:20 (2,989 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 344337 , Reply# 93 2/17/2016 at 04:21 (2,989 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 344348 , Reply# 94 2/17/2016 at 06:51 (2,989 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Like I said, the Oreck cleaners may have evolved over time with redesigned hoods and larger motors, but the original Oreck as pictured above was a direct copy of the McDonald Electric. The ME was not in itself a popular seller and David Oreck knew that, hence he very cleverly aimed the early models exclusively at the commercial floorcare market where this type of cleaner would excel, before launching into the domestic market.
Numatic in the UK have done a similar thing, although I don't think that was ever intentional as Oreck and has happened over a much longer period of time. | ||
| Post# 344502 , Reply# 96 2/18/2016 at 06:10 (2,988 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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It was sold in the US as a commercial vacuum - it was never sold in the UK branded as Oreck as per the picture above, which belongs to a US collector and was posted on here some time ago. It was old sold here as McDonald Electric, which wasn't made by Oreck and pre-dates the Oreck by a good few years. | ||
| Post# 344507 , Reply# 97 2/18/2016 at 06:57 (2,988 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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Oreck cont. That makes sense. I didn't mean he only went into business to sell in the UK, but was trying to copy Eureka, like when they sold the 1959 Parnall there. A re branded for the UK Mobile Air Vibra-Beat. My mom had one. I called it the farter. | ||
| Post# 344513 , Reply# 98 2/18/2016 at 07:49 (2,988 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
I have come to believe: uprights are best for carpets, and suction only canisters/cylinders are best for everything else. The combination machines are too heavy, bulky, complicated, over-engineered and prone to problems. Which is why you saw a lot of companies marketing "cleaning team" pairs in the 1950's.
I first use a simple, quiet, powerful suction-only Miele with an arsenal of attachments to clean a room from top to bottom. I finish the job by deep cleaning the wall-to-wall broadloom with my sleek Hoover Lightweight bagged upright Oreck clone- working from far end to entry so I don't leave any footy-prints on the carpet. My vacuum team together cost under CAD$1,000 and does not take up any more room in the closet than a power-nozzle canister. | ||
| Post# 344604 , Reply# 101 2/19/2016 at 07:39 (2,987 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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Bag sizes, Oreck Right Mike in Finland. To me, that tiny fan makes it a carpet sweeper only. Alex, you should see a Eureka B, or S type bag. At least 6 litres. I saw a pick up truck yesterday with two tennis balls hanging in a mesh "bag" from the trailer hitch. | ||
| Post# 344605 , Reply# 102 2/19/2016 at 08:08 (2,987 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 344640 , Reply# 103 2/19/2016 at 16:01 (2,986 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 344660 , Reply# 105 2/19/2016 at 20:52 (2,986 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 344679 , Reply# 107 2/20/2016 at 05:41 (2,986 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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They also own Dirt Devil and Royal. | ||
| Post# 344699 , Reply# 108 2/20/2016 at 08:34 (2,986 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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I have not seen a Vax product in the states since the Thermax by Vax hot water carpet extractor. | ||
| Post# 344726 , Reply# 110 2/20/2016 at 12:40 (2,986 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
if those are even still being made by Royal.  Royal is owned by TTI Floorcare who build an exceptional all metal cleaning machine. I have a Royal Everlast 8300 and it is extremely well built even though it was made in China. Built as well as any of my Kirby's. TTI is capable of building an exceptionally well made machine, contrary to popular belief. | ||
| Post# 344727 , Reply# 111 2/20/2016 at 12:44 (2,986 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 344728 , Reply# 112 2/20/2016 at 12:53 (2,986 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 344730 , Reply# 113 2/20/2016 at 13:11 (2,986 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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"good quality" anything can be built anywhere. It comes down to what those who commission the goods want to pay. | ||
| Post# 344752 , Reply# 114 2/20/2016 at 16:22 (2,985 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 344803 , Reply# 115 2/21/2016 at 07:39 (2,985 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan) | ||
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I agree, and second, or third Benny and Marcus! | ||
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