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Has Anyone Ever Over-Vacuumed?
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Post# 342205   1/28/2016 at 12:35 (3,009 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH)        

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I would love to hear stories of over-vacuuming. That is, vacuuming so much that your carpet, etc. became unusable, threadbare and/or damaged.

As a follow up question, what would be the maximum you should vacuum? Is daily too much? Twice a week? Once a week?

Without pets, I've found myself quite comfortable vacuuming twice a week. Last August, we added one dog, and I've upped that to four times a week only in the family room where we normally allow the dog to play.

Bill


Post# 342208 , Reply# 1   1/28/2016 at 12:56 (3,009 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I am sure I have! Most times it's daily, but there is a long hair cat and half hard wood floors!

Post# 342233 , Reply# 2   1/28/2016 at 16:22 (3,009 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Over Vacuumed?

NO. 

 

I have a long haired dog, and a cat so I vacuum everyday.    I call it de-hairing the carpet.  

 

Used to be a saying "carpets love to be vacuumed" The more dirt you get out of it, the longer it last.  Now this was before the new soft type carpets and vacuums with steel  wire brush rolls. 

 

I personally feel that a good quality carpet can take frequent vacuuming, and poor quality carpets will at least be clean.  The only bare spot I have is the one the dog chewed in the carpet--right in front of the front door I might add.   

 

I believe carpet manufacturers recommend you vacuum once per week for each person living in the household, and add once a week additional for each pet.  I've often wondered what large families do???  We had a neighbor family with 10 kids.  Not at all uncommon in our Catholic neighborhood.  By manufacturer guidelines that would be twice a day.  Bet it didn't happen. 

 

 


Post# 342237 , Reply# 3   1/28/2016 at 18:31 (3,009 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Hell yeah I over vacuumed too much back in the day when our family bought Dyson vacs. Both the DC01 and DC04 reduced the carpet to bare threads. Mind you I think my late parents were happy as they weren't fans of the red tartan carpet that came with the home, anyway.

I think I/we over vacuumed because of the shock of what the Dyson picked up versus the old Hoover Junior uprights. What of course we didn't realise at the time was the fact that the Dyson was just picking up viewable dirt compared to the dirt in the Hoover bag...

The daily use was lessened to once or twice a week when we no longer owned pets.




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Post# 342244 , Reply# 4   1/28/2016 at 20:31 (3,009 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Well, since the HOOVER

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"makes rugs last longer",  I'd say, "No". My carpets are lasting beautifully.  They're also ONLY cleaned with Hoover cleaners.  And,  mine never even belch any dust anywhere.


Post# 342253 , Reply# 5   1/28/2016 at 22:32 (3,009 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, when you say Hoover does that mean Proper Hoover vacs or ones made in China?

Post# 342255 , Reply# 6   1/28/2016 at 22:41 (3,009 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Well, it was the U.S, Hoovers that stated

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it on the bottom plates.  I'd imagine the British Hoovers did, too.

 I have some "China" Hoovers,  and, really no issues, yet.

 John


Post# 342267 , Reply# 7   1/29/2016 at 07:33 (3,008 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The only time I've had belching dust is when the bags are taken out the soft bagged uprights, quickly. Bags of course have moved on with the pull strip seal.

Post# 342271 , Reply# 8   1/29/2016 at 09:24 (3,008 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        
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"And, mine never even belch any dust anywhere"

You can HONESTLY say that one of your Hoover Convertibles with a C bag doesn't belch dust? Hmm, ok, go ahead & run your cleaner in a dark room, hold a flashlight up to the bag & report back with your findings. Just because you can't SEE the vacuum leaking dust, doesn't mean it isn't releasing microscopic dust particles back into the air you breathe.

Rob


Post# 342272 , Reply# 9   1/29/2016 at 09:40 (3,008 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Growing up I had a neighbor lady who was a clean freak. She had 3 sons and they lived in a single wide mobile home, nothing fancy but she sure made it a nice home.
Anyhow with the purchase of the new home also came the purchase of a new vacuum from kmart (a brandywine lower end rounded hood with headlight Eureka upright with vibra groomer II. It was their first home and first vacuum in 1985. Fast forward to the early 90s I remember her brown sculptured carpet was very thin in the living room and all of the seams were coming apart. I don't know if it was just cheap carpet or over vacuuming but I can tell you she vacuumed 3 to 4 times daily with a vibragroomer II
When they replaced that house in 1996 with another new one her husband told her not to vacuum it to death and of course she limited it to once a day.
in 2000 or 2001 I got the Eureka for my collection and shes since had a plethora of walmart vacuums. They just bought a new double wide this year and as a house warming I gave her a sanitaire blue line. She was so excited because it was just like her old Eureka that she loved.


Post# 342298 , Reply# 10   1/29/2016 at 12:26 (3,008 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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While I'm not a fan of dust belching Hoover cleaners, which would be ANY Hoover made before the launch of HEPA bags, I have to give the company a round of applause for an advertisement they placed in 1921. It was called "Is 80 Years Of Proof Enough?". At the Ohio State Fair, they had a Hoover 105 attached to a mechanical arm. It ran 24/7 during the fair. At the end of the fair, the carpet was examined and it had absolutely no wear. When counting the strokes the cleaner had made, it was determined that the sweeper had run the equivalent of 80 years of vacuuming over that single piece of Wilton carpet. In response to the folks who claimed the Hoover wore off the rug nap, Hoover claimed that even after 80 years of vacuuming, the machine wouldn't have damaged the carpets

Post# 342304 , Reply# 11   1/29/2016 at 14:10 (3,008 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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That's all very well in an exhibition but what about the average home nowadays that is either susceptible to dampness or where the carpets have been constantly washed? Or even a busy family and pets running through it?


Post# 342309 , Reply# 12   1/29/2016 at 16:23 (3,008 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I'll certainly run my vac in the dark....

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and see what happens.  I guess I'm lucky to live in a belch-free zone.

  I just traded a Compact Tri star with Joe Kassock for a Windtunnel 2 . He brought it here once before.  The cord is extremly long... and,  who doesn't want a nice long one... that can really do the job??

  That cleaner, if plugged in at the center of the house,  will reach from the front door to the very back of the house!  What a POWERFUL cleaner !!! Yikes.  I'll post a pi and report. 

 A nice belch-free zone.  I just won't allow it.

 J.


Post# 342311 , Reply# 13   1/29/2016 at 16:44 (3,008 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        

A Maintained vacuum usually doesn't "belch". 


Post# 342312 , Reply# 14   1/29/2016 at 16:45 (3,008 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

I own Electrolux, Compact/TriStar & Rainbow (including the new Onyx) vacs + shag carpet from 1973-74

 

That shag carpet is still in immaculate shape


Post# 342323 , Reply# 15   1/29/2016 at 19:50 (3,008 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Microscopic dust? You do realise by trapping this in your fangle dangle hepa filter vacuums is actually whats causing your allergies, if you eliminate this fine dust it will weaken your immunity to it and thus cause allergies, why do you think allergies were not really a problem back in the day? Because people didn't restict themselves from these tiny particles...

Post# 342331 , Reply# 16   1/29/2016 at 21:13 (3,008 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I actually agree with you Alex.

The problem isn’t HEPA filters but all the science and lies behind things like antibacterial soap and hand gels. We’ve become so fastidiously obsessed with keeping clean that we have forgotten to allow our bodies to fight infection.

Studies have proved that antibacterial gels and soaps don't eliminate bacteria and that the triclosan additive in these products used over a prolonged amount of time heightens the body's attraction to developing allergies such as asthma and nut allergies.




Post# 342337 , Reply# 17   1/29/2016 at 22:32 (3,008 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Antibacterials dont kill the bacteria, they reduce it down to a "safe level" to reduce the percentage of bacteria that could make you ill, I guess a cloth with soap and water may still get it clean enough to be safe, but I am no scientist.

Post# 342338 , Reply# 18   1/29/2016 at 22:51 (3,008 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
First of all......................

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My Convertibles, Dial A MAtics, etc have headlights, thus eliminating the need for a flashlight. I believe the late Henry Dreyfuss took care of that need. Second, I taught science,and believe that anything microscopic would thus require the use of a microscope... saying a definite "No" to the flashlight. Third, microparticles escaping into the air,would not be included in the term"belching".I've always associated" belching"with someone who has eaten too much,of rich foods,or who has consumed mass quantities of alcohol. Perhaps one should vacuum up a litle Bromo-fizz: a bicarbonate. 

 Just trying to help in any way I can. All this talk of belching.... it's so disturbing.

 


Post# 342374 , Reply# 19   1/30/2016 at 04:21 (3,008 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The carpet suffers more wear from being walked over rather than the use of ANY vacuum cleaner.the vacuum cleaner only PREVENTS carpet wear as the result of being walked over and the dirt from your shoes or feet getting into the carpet from you tramping the dirt into it.

Post# 342472 , Reply# 20   1/31/2016 at 05:10 (3,006 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Not all vacuums prevent wear though, Tolivac - even an occasional rug that doesn't see that many human shoes going through it can be ripped to shreds if a moving brush roll that's aggressive in the first place is fitted to the upright.



Post# 342477 , Reply# 21   1/31/2016 at 09:38 (3,006 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I never allow any shoes on my bedrooom carpet which is 1 inch thick and plush. It's only 2 years old and it's worn already! The carpet gets vacuumed all the time with Dyson uprights and I think it's because of that. I really don't know what I should do but it's flat and still fluffy at the top if that makes sense. I believe it's grit deep down in the carpet but he carpet guy told me it isnt? He says hoover everyday and wash it. I did that A LOT and still crap

Post# 342492 , Reply# 22   1/31/2016 at 11:13 (3,006 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I'd say not. I vacuum 2-3 times a week, tops. I don't have the time or the need to vacuum everyday, even with the feline.

Just to echo Nar's point about antibacterial soaps and cleaning sprays, I could not agree more! Doing research for my blog, I'm finding more and more evidence that they do more damage than good. A home doesn't need to be sterile, although dust is kind of my enemy lol.


Post# 342500 , Reply# 23   1/31/2016 at 12:41 (3,006 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Tayyab, your Dysons are ruining your carpet because of their poorly designed brush rolls. You need a deep cleaning machine like a Kirby or Royal with a soft brush roll installed. They will vibrate your carpet and pull out all of the sand and grit buried down deep in the knap of your carpet. 


Post# 342502 , Reply# 24   1/31/2016 at 12:51 (3,006 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Do you sleep with your Kirby Sptyks? :-)

Post# 342506 , Reply# 25   1/31/2016 at 13:07 (3,006 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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No I Don't Marcus! Not anymore than you sleep with your Sebos.

 

I see you are still the same old Marcus, always trying to instigate a long but Stupid discussion that goes nowhere! Well I'm onto you, so don't think you can get away with starting something with me!


Post# 342508 , Reply# 26   1/31/2016 at 13:10 (3,006 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Do you sleep with your Kirby

I do.  Don't judge me. ;-)


Post# 342510 , Reply# 27   1/31/2016 at 13:19 (3,006 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Haha :-)

Post# 342512 , Reply# 28   1/31/2016 at 13:41 (3,006 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Doesn't the Kenmore Elite with its innovative inducer motor have more airflow at the cleaner head than the Kirby? From what I've been told tests have been done to prove it.


Post# 342519 , Reply# 29   1/31/2016 at 14:16 (3,006 days old) by Loganvac (Kennett Square, Pennsylvania)        

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Which reninds me, I saw a video a few years ago which pitted a Dirt Devil Ultra MVP, a bypass machine, against a Royal upright. This prooved that not all bypass machines don't have airflow like a direct air machine.

BUT, it was only the case for the MVP. For those who understand the design of the cleaner, these results should not be surprising. This particular Dirt Devil has an unusually large intake bellow at the cleaner head. The passage up to the body of the machine is equally as large, and its not very long either. This allows for the Dirt Devil to be able to move more air. So in s nutshell, it combines a huge intake with the bypass vacuum suction power. Its incredibly effective, and there aren't any bypass cleaners that I know of that can achieve a result like the MVP had. I own an Utra MVP, so for those who don't believe me, I will gladly make a video that will demonstrate the capability of the airflow
This vacuum has, and I will compare it to an effective direct air machine if needed.


Post# 342521 , Reply# 30   1/31/2016 at 14:30 (3,006 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Sebo4me: what is the measured airflow in CFM of that Kenmore Elite vacuum? 

 

Logan: In order for me to believe what you say, I would need to see a video your Dirt Devil MVP tested with any Royal metal upright with a 9 or 10 amp motor with a good belt and brush roll and an empty bag.


Post# 342522 , Reply# 31   1/31/2016 at 14:37 (3,006 days old) by Mike81 ()        

Some carpets just can't take any kind of agitation. So you can certainly over vacuum.
Here is a example of the cheap nylon shag type rug after going over with the small Miele SEB-217 powerhead. All that carpet fibers was stuck to the brushroll after quick vacuuming.


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Post# 342524 , Reply# 32   1/31/2016 at 15:09 (3,006 days old) by Loganvac (Kennett Square, Pennsylvania)        

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If only I could fufill that request. I don't own a Royal with that kind of power. My Royal Electro Hygiene doesn't even come close to that. I know that I will come across a newer Royal with a 9 or 10 amp motor eventually, as soon as my finances allow.

Post# 342526 , Reply# 33   1/31/2016 at 15:15 (3,006 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Frankly in my experience it doesn't matter what kind of airflow an upright vac has at the head. Even my old Hoover Junior could vibrate the carpet nails out of the carpet that was nailed down with over vacuuming before it was replaced! There's the beating action for you!

End of the day an upright with an aggressive brush roll will destroy carpeting if the vacuum is over used as well as over washed!





Post# 342535 , Reply# 34   1/31/2016 at 16:07 (3,006 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Stan Thank you for your reply :) I am not convinced the Dysons are wearing my carpet down because the nylon bristles aren't very aggressive. They don't hurt my hand when I touch the spinning brushbar unless I apply a lot of pressure

Post# 342537 , Reply# 35   1/31/2016 at 16:13 (3,006 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

I was always told that walking on a carpet would always do far, far more damage than anything else, including vacuuming. I was also told that a carpet which was not regularly vacuumed would hold onto so much damaging dirt and grit which would be crushed into the pile by guess what? Walking.

So in summary, the fact that a vacuum cleaner has a wearing action on a carpet whilst it is actually taking care of the carpet has to be calculated against the damage that a carpet would get through neglect.

I have no idea if the above is true, or if vacuuming is a massive carpet-killer. What I do know is that every carpet I have seen with my own eyes that was worn-down was worn in the areas where it was walked on.

At the end of the day, like anything, the minute you start using something it starts to wear out. Carpets are no different.


Post# 342541 , Reply# 36   1/31/2016 at 17:45 (3,006 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Tayyab,

I will admit that I have never owned a Dyson. I replied, about Dysons ruining carpet because of reading on this forum over the years, many posts stating how some dysons with aggressive brushrolls  ruined some carpets. Sorry. I didn't mean to judge you and your dyson because of some posts I read.


Post# 342574 , Reply# 37   1/31/2016 at 18:38 (3,006 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

No worries Stan! :) I have no experience with Kirby either, lol
I actually appreciate that you took the time to reply to me and offer suggestions which was nice


Post# 342579 , Reply# 38   1/31/2016 at 21:57 (3,006 days old) by Loganvac (Kennett Square, Pennsylvania)        

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My DC14'S roller isn't agressive at all, regardless of the stiff bristles. Although, it makes the carpet look really nice. I would imagine that a cleaner with very stiff bristles could ruin a carpet over time faster than a cleaner with softer bristles. That being said, I sometimes wonder if my Dyson is OK for my medium pile carpet, although I don't use it as a deep cleaner. My carpet is fine but could it be a contributing factor to my carpet being worn early?


Post# 342591 , Reply# 39   2/1/2016 at 02:08 (3,006 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have not seen a household carpet or rug torn up by an uprights brushroll-some commercial carpets,though-at that stage the carpet is so worn it has to be replaced anyway-and the wear is due to feet!Remember---your feet can exert MORE ground pressure in pounds per square inch than the tracks of a crawler tractor!And you team that pressure with the dirt and sand on the bottom of your shoe soles-carpet killer!Yes,I take my shoes off when I am inside my house.


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