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The Great HEPA Debate
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Post# 340140   12/29/2015 at 10:23 (3,012 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Well, Hello Folks. Hope You all had a nice Holiday.
I've been wondering if a Hepa bag or filter is really worth the extra cost.
For example
-A pack of 12 Generic vacuum Bags for an Electrolux will run you $10. A Pack of generic allergy releif bags $20, and Perfect HEPA bags are $25
-Hoover Type A 3 pack, generic, $3. Genuine is $5, and Genuine HEPA is $9
As you can see the price jumps are HUGE!
Now, I'm not an allergy sufferer. Nobody in my family is. Dad and I farm, so we are used to dusty conditions. We always believed that breathing dust all your life is good for you. Your immune system strengthens from it.
An Allergy sufferer, should use HEPA bags and Filters. Im not going after you for using them. We live in a society that thinks HEPA filters mean 100% clean air. That isnt what you need! How will you grow immune to dirt and germs if you never breath them?
This thought only came up the other day. I was cleaning the house with my old Electrolux Silverado Deluxe. I dont use HEPA bags, i dont even use Aerus bags. I use my older NOS Electrolux bags or my Generic Air-Flo bags I buy when Im in town. Mother complain's that my vacuums smell "like an Old Woman's House". I told her that shows these machines are built long enough to last. She said "They arn't HEPA. Your Kenmore has HEPA, but i dont want you using that old upright. It will Scratch my wood floors (insert my eyes rolling here). Then she says go get the Kenmore Canister. mine, not yours." I said why? She said "Because its got a HEPA filter" I said Ma, that filter is 15 years old. The vacuum leaks air out around it. There isnt a vacuum in this house that has HEPA that you would let me use.
We went back and forth over this while i continued vacuuming. When i finished vacuuming, I pointed out she didnt notice any smell. She had grown used to it.
Well, now I want your thoughts. I think Generic bags or NOS genuine bags are the better bags with ANY brand. Now i would like your thoughts. i will never use a HEPA bag. Too much pull on the motor.
Your thoughts are always Welcome!
Thanks! Happy New Year!
Andy Rousonelos


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Post# 340142 , Reply# 1   12/29/2015 at 10:36 (3,012 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Even if you don't have allergies, HEPA bags are a must. Have you ever worked on the motor (torn it down completely) in one of your old Lux's? The fans are packed in dirt. Why? Paper bags. Paper bags leak dust. That dust goes into the fans, and then into the exhaust. I vacuum my house to remove dust. The vacuum should NOT have ANY dust in the exhaust, or I'm wasting my time dusting the furniture with it. To that extent, I have a Vac U Flo central vac - absolutely no recirculated dust. My Elux Platinum, Tri-Star MG2, Rainbow 75th Anniversary Edition, and Air-Way Signature Series all have HEPA filtration - and leak no dust. It's not about allergies, it's about not having to redust my television screen tomorrow. That's why HEPA makes sense to me.

Post# 340145 , Reply# 2   12/29/2015 at 10:46 (3,012 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Well, Tom, Thats a good point. I like a clean home as much as the next guy, but i see no reason to strain my vacuum for better filtration. Its more of a To each his own moment here
Andy


Post# 340146 , Reply# 3   12/29/2015 at 10:49 (3,012 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Oh, i forgot to mention. we have a BEAM Central Vac. i hate it!
I have gone into my vacuum motors before. all are clean as a whistle
Andy


Post# 340149 , Reply# 4   12/29/2015 at 10:50 (3,012 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Forgot to mention...again. Jeez, my memory is going. i have a Vac-U-Flo at one of my other houses

Post# 340150 , Reply# 5   12/29/2015 at 10:57 (3,012 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I have HEPA bags in my

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Platinum cleaners.  All of the others have regular, "genuine" Hoover bags.  That filter paper works fine.  I stood in the factory and saw the rolls of filter paper.  I'm glad to say that I've never had dust issues here at this old place.


Post# 340152 , Reply# 6   12/29/2015 at 11:04 (3,012 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Generic bag user here.

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The only dust issues I have come from a lack of dusting because I'm a total slacker when it comes to cleaning house. I use "Multi-Filter" 4-ply generic bags in my 'Luxes and Envirocare bags in my Kirbys and have no complaints about their performance. And at less than a dollar each, I have no complaints about their price either.

Post# 340153 , Reply# 7   12/29/2015 at 11:06 (3,012 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Well, John, im sure you would be proud to know i use GENUINE Hoover bags in my PowerDrive and PortaPower...
Edgar, i use Envirocare bags in most of my vacuums. kenmore's and hoovers i use my NOS genuine bags
Andy


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Post# 340156 , Reply# 8   12/29/2015 at 11:19 (3,012 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I am proud of you, indeed.

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I learned that the paper used at that factory came from the Poconos................ my neck of the woods.

 

 A carpenter will be doing some work this week in the "gallery".  Talk about DUST! But,  I'm more than ready for it.

 


Post# 340157 , Reply# 9   12/29/2015 at 11:24 (3,012 days old) by Kirbyduh (Kentucky )        
Bags

I will ONLY use HEPA bags in my Electrolux vacuums. In a pinch I will use the older genuine, gray Electrolux bags. Unless you're using something like an LX, model E/AE, or later plastic bodied machines that also have an after filter, the bag is the only source of filtration in the Electrolux. Anything that escapes the bag will be blown right back into the house. HEPA bags provide the highest attainable filtration for said machines. That being said, I hardly use these machines in the main part of our house, as I prefer machines with better filtration like my Tristar EXL or Rainbow E2.

Post# 340163 , Reply# 10   12/29/2015 at 13:23 (3,012 days old) by ge1969 (Jefferson, GA)        

Hi Folks. I don't think Hepa is all that great unless you're a bad allergy sufferer or a major finatic about dust. I will however, say that I will only use 4 ply bags with a rubber seal in an Electrolux. Anything cheaper will cause motor damage. Happy Holidays, Toby G.

Post# 340167 , Reply# 11   12/29/2015 at 14:17 (3,012 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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Personally, I think the whole "hepa thing" is largely a matter of sales hype -- just like vacuum cleaner sales hype of the past -- moth infestations that must be dispatched with highly poisonous and carcinogenic chemicals; bedding loaded down with dead skin cells; vacuum cleaners that pick up a bowling ball, etc. etc. etc.

Unless a person is allergic to stuff in the air such as pollen, hepa bags don't really seem to me to be necessary; and, due to the more-restricted air flow, hepa bags and filters can cause the motor to overheat if used for long periods of time.

The greater advantage of paper vs. cloth bags is a matter of convenience -- which doesn't take into consideration bagless machines. If you've ever emptied one of them at night with a flashlight beamed across the dirt chamber, you probably couldn't get away from that machine fast enough.

I have -- and have had -- quite a few Electroluxes over the years. The only ones that were "caked with dirt" inside were ones that had been misused or abused. (One day I found a Model E at a thrift shop that had just the cardboard top in the bag chamber to keep the cover closed ... and had been used that way for a very long time. Imagine the horror.)

I've said this before: For decades, people used vacuum cleaners with cloth bags. I don't recall any reports of homemakers falling ill left and right as the result of using those terrible old "dust belchers and dirt breeders."

"Salesmen gotta sell" -- there will always be sales hype regardless of the product and regardless of the veracity of the hype.




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Post# 340172 , Reply# 12   12/29/2015 at 15:11 (3,012 days old) by Vinvac (Dubuque IA)        

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Charles,

I couldn't agree more. The bag less sickness that has hit the vacuum world is just a visual easy sell and those vacuums do not clean any better than a vacuum with a bag. And like you said....try to empty one and keep the dirt contained...it won't happen. Not to mention the cost of the filters verses the cost of a good package of bags…and a machine that won’t last more than 5 years….

We used a model 508 Kirby at home for years and years and no one ever died from using it. (I still use the machine)

I do however like the new Hepa Bags and use them in almost all of my daily drivers. For me the jury is still out on older vacuums over heating using the new hepa style bags. I use the perfect bags in all of my Electrolux machines and I feel the air flow is far better and maintains even with the bag being full. I use the hepa bags in all of my newer Kirby's that use a paper bag and find they also seem to maintain a stronger air flow....although even the cloth bag Kirby's don't loose much as the bag fills.

The new Aerus Platinum has the right idea, putting a Hepa Filter after the bag...now that makes good sense in my book. Then having a filter after the motor to catch the carbon dust....very similar to the early Air-Way...filter at the bottom and a filter that covered the motor to contain the carbon dust.


Post# 340177 , Reply# 13   12/29/2015 at 17:59 (3,012 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Something I love is the "Good Filtration" Hype, yet when you empty a bagless vacuum, all the dust comes back in the air. I like my Electrolux paper bags the most. 4 layer generic, or 4 layer NOS bags

Post# 340192 , Reply# 14   12/29/2015 at 23:38 (3,012 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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A couple of things:

 

A. A vacuum cleaner works best when the fill tube seals firmly around the rubber collar of the bag which most vac bags have. 

 

On Electrolux, theirs have, as long as I've been using Electrolux (20+ years), always come with an annoying tab across the opening of the bag, which they never tell people, NEEDS to be removed so the fill tube will seal around the collar.  Obviously, if you put the bag in the machine and shut the door, the tube breaks the cardboard on one side, but  the other side then gets in the way and allows massive amounts of dust to leak out of the bag.

 

When ever I buy an Electrolux, they nearly ALWAYS have a bag in them AND the tab is sticking into the opening of the bag, which means it's leaked dust into the machine. 

It's common sense,  REMOVE THE TAB.

 

I notice it in your very first picture.  You have all your canisters standing on end, open and with a bag installed, and the TAB.... is still attached to every one of them.  

 

Why Electrolux does this.....?   No other brand that I know of does it.  It's almost like a trick to see if they can catch people and ruin their machines (so they can sell more). 

 

Look at all these different bags in the photos.  Kenmore, Kirby, Hoover, Eureka.... none have the tab.

 

 

 

B.   The use of the bagless:  Yes, You NEVER want to empty the dirt cup in the house.  The dust, some of which is lighter than air, will go EVERYWHERE.  Then it's like, what was the point of vacuuming.

 

I always carefully take the dirt cup outside, away from the house, figure what direction the wind is blowing, plan to be UP WIND, then dump the dirt on the grass or in the field allowing all the dust to blow AWAY from you.   Then with the cup upside down tap it and get all the dust out, again having it blow AWAY from you. 

 

 

C. You don't necessarily have to use Hepa bags to get quality results, as others have said.  However, use a bag with a collar that has a rubber seal and that it fits correctly with the hose.  Several of the vacs I recently attained, I open the bag compartment WITH THE HOSE ATTACHED and you can see that the hose is not mating up with the bag correctly.  I'm referring to a Hoover spirit here. 

 

Genuine Hoover Spirit bags have a rigid plastic collar.  Off Market bags will tend to have a cardboard collar that will bend when the hose is installed.  What's going to happen if the bag doesn't mate up with the fill tube or hose when the machine is running? It's going to leak dust inside the machine.   I've seen it countless times now. 


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Post# 340195 , Reply# 15   12/30/2015 at 00:49 (3,012 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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There is a reason for the (patented) tab on Electrolux bags. When you remove the bag from the machine, the tab closes off the little opening to keep dirt from getting out. This was particularly important with a (correctly functioning) LX or LXI. When the machine shut off and ejected the bag, the bag would sail -- at great speed -- across the room for 5-6 ft. When the bag landed on the floor, if the membrane wasn't sealed, dirt would "poof" out of the opening.


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From LX advertisements:

"TOUCH NO DIRT! BREATHE NO DIRT! SEE NO DIRT!"

"Out pops the dirt! Wrapped, sealed and sanitary!"

"The self-sealed bag containing the dirt is so dust-free you could toss it onto a white tablecloth!"

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When you put the bag in the machine and close the lid, the tab is pushed inside the rubber membrane, not across it. There's a soft rubber ring inside the front cover that presses against the top of the bag to make an airtight seal.

If the tab somehow happens to [very rarely] get "stuck" outside the membrane, you will hear hissing as the air leaks -- even more so when you put your hand over the open end of the handle. When it's correctly seated inside the membrane, there is a good tight seal and no dirt escapes out of the bag.


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Post# 340201 , Reply# 16   12/30/2015 at 03:03 (3,011 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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Post# 340204 , Reply# 17   12/30/2015 at 06:26 (3,011 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The Filtrete spun woven bags are the best thing yet-and can acheive so called HEPA ratings.I use these bags whenever I can-keeps the fine dust out of your machines motor!!It will last much longer.2 of my central vacuums use the Filtrete cloth bags-the makers state that outside venting may not be required when these bags are used.Yes,those bags are expensive-but they hold more debris than equivelant capacity paper bags.So you can save-fewer bag changes-and less wear and tear on the vacuums motor.

Post# 340211 , Reply# 18   12/30/2015 at 10:42 (3,011 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Delany
Charles is exactly right. The 'tab' keeps the opening closed when the bag is ejected. Think about it
A vacuum bag holding more dirt without as much suction loss isnt always a good whing. The air has to be forced around the dist in the bag to get to the suction chamber's point of suction. This creates more 'drag' on the air, and a stronger pull on the motor
Andy Rousonelos
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Post# 340215 , Reply# 19   12/30/2015 at 11:51 (3,011 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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Good point and description Charles.
While Electrolux hasn't made those obnoxioius self ejecting machines in like....60 years or so, there are still those who use them.

I love your description:
"....important with a (correctly functioning) LX or LXI. When the machine shut off and ejected the bag, the bag would sail -- at great speed -- across the room for 5-6 ft. When the bag landed on the floor, if the membrane wasn't sealed, dirt would "poof" out of the opening. " sealed

LOL. On the one hand, this IS basically what happens. On the other hand, it sounds like a scene from a Doris Day movie. LOL.

It's kind of a conundrum. If one is in fact using an LX or LXI, you would definitely want to keep the tab BUT much like when using any other Electrolux WITH THE TAB in place, you will have dust leakage.

I can understand a possible reason for the tab on the canister bags. However, the upright bags were never self ejecting that I know of. I started using the upright Electrolux in 1997 and always had good results. I always removed the tab and never had any problems with dust seepage.  

 

I owned several uprights, and like the canisters, would frequently find them with the bag and WITH the tab in place. [shaking head].   ...and the usual amount of dust in the bag chamber.
 


 
Oddly, I did happen upon a canister bag with a tab. Don't know what the purpose of it is. They only made the vacuum for a few years. I don't know if it is supposed to be removed. Dirt Devil Can Vac bags. Haven't bought any YET.  These bags were certainly never meant to be ejected mechanically.

 

The bag door on a can vac has a thick rubber collar that presses against the front of the bag, thus sealing it, so I don't know if these bags will have a rubber seal.  As a result of that rubber seal, the cardboard tab won't make a difference in how the machine seals.

 

I think it's fair to say that the Electrolux LX and LXI were flawed designs.  Fun though. 

 

 


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Post# 340219 , Reply# 20   12/30/2015 at 12:39 (3,011 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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Well, even lacking the ejection feature, the point in the tab is still to seal the hole in the rubber membrane so dirt doesn't leak out when you change the bag.

It does work -- you can drop a full bag on the floor and no dirt will escape. It's one of the "many exclusive features that only your Electrolux® Cleaner can offer!"

If you remove the tab, you defeat the reason for it being there.


Post# 340223 , Reply# 21   12/30/2015 at 13:37 (3,011 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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LOL

 

"It's one of the "many exclusive features that only your Electrolux® Cleaner can offer!" "  smile

 

 

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yeah, but a square of duct tape or packaging tape over the opening of ANY bag opening will definitely seal it from spillage.   A cardboard tab however does not have the benefit of adhesion. 

Once it's sealed you can drop it as many times as your clumsy self feels necessary.  Even turn it into a small pillow for your pet.

 

It's interesting, one of my recent vac purchases, they sent me like 3 big boxes worth of Electrolux bags.  I won't ever have to buy these bags AGAIN, unless I develop a baby powder addiction and decide to use my vacs every day.   When the world comes to an end as it's scheduled to in -2012-, no 2014, no I think they've rescheduled 'the end of the world' for 2016 PST, date TBD,...... at least I can use by Electrolux..... if I can find electricity. 

 

Anyway, they sent some bags I don't need, nor know what model they are for.  Style RR, apparently for an upright, and look what is part of the bag.   I've never seen this before.  A pre-applied square of tape with removable wax paper backing.  Because apparently, the average American can not coordinate a roll of tape AND a vacuum cleaner bag at the same time.  It's just too much of a burden, for sure. 


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Post# 340224 , Reply# 22   12/30/2015 at 13:53 (3,011 days old) by blknblu (CT)        

Eureka's web site indicates the RR bag is for Eureka 4800 series upright vacuums.


Post# 340229 , Reply# 23   12/30/2015 at 14:57 (3,011 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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There is no need for adhesiveness in the cardboard tab.

The sealing quality comes from the small opening in the rubber membrane in the top of the bag squeezing tightly around the cardboard tab when the front cover is opened and the steel "snout" is thus withdrawn from inside the membrane of the bag. It does work. There would be no point in fumbling with a roll of tape or whatever as long as the tab is kept intact (and not pulled off).

Air-Way used to provide little adhesive stickers to close off the hole in their bags -- similar to the Eureka bags you showed above. It worked but was more complicated than Electrolux's patented self-sealing bags.


Post# 340232 , Reply# 24   12/30/2015 at 15:32 (3,011 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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The point of the cardboard tab is too keep the bag closed. ALL my bags have them for One reason. so they DONT leak dust. I have no dust in my bag chambers. I never will. The tab wont allow leakage, a bad bag, or bad door seal will. if the seal around the part that sticks INTO the hose is bad or gone, it will leak
Andy Rousonelos


Post# 340246 , Reply# 25   12/30/2015 at 19:49 (3,011 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
HEPA too much pull on motor

I actually find the cloth type HEPA bags are easier breathing than the paper bags.  


Post# 340248 , Reply# 26   12/30/2015 at 20:26 (3,011 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Just a few new thoughts
HEPA Bags
-I really cant see it on a bypass machine. id rather use my paper bags in front of the motor, and put a filter behind the motor (not always the case)
-I CAN see using HEPA bags (if you wish to do so) on a Direct Air machine. There wont be a pull on the motor, as well as good exhaust filtration combined with an easey breathe bag. I dont plan to do this. Just a thought
HEPA Filters
-This IS one thing i can see, in some cases. In the case of my Kenmore Progressive 300 Upright, its practical, as it is a fairly sealed machine as well as the filter has a gasket on it to lower air leakage (currently has a better seal as my Filter Cover Door is missing. I use a Bungee cord which holds the fliter tight on the machine)
-Electrolux Canisters (Plastic Body) This is useful as the exhaust is forced through the filter. Weather they make a HEPA for that, I dont know. i choose not to use them if they exist. Im not paying extra for HEPA in that case. My 4 ply bags catch more than the Blue Aerus Home Solutions bags
-My Kenmore Canisters, are not practical to use a HEPA filter. They have NO seal whatsoever. It would be a waste
Just My Two Cents
*the last picture of the HEPA cover is off FLEABAY* The filter cover was missing when i received the vacuum
Andy Rousonelos
Also, yes, that is a drier sheet on the Lux filter. They smell so good! I use them ALL the time!


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Post# 340278 , Reply# 27   12/30/2015 at 22:33 (3,011 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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I went to Sears yesterday for (generic) Kenmore Upright Bags. I found them, and a girl who worked there kept pushing the HEPA bags. I kept saying no. She wouldnt stop with the 'awful dirt and germs in the air' rampage. i finally said, look Sweetie, im not trying to be rude, but I Collect and Repair vacuums. All The Time. HEPA is a Joke and I know what I'm doing. She walked away, steaming, grumbling about how 'everyone is an expert'
Andy Rousonelos


Post# 340294 , Reply# 28   12/31/2015 at 00:49 (3,011 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Clean air machines can benefit from the HEPA bags and HEPA filters before the motor-even if the motor is full bypass-the fine stuff is kept out of the motors suction fans-the fine stuff can cause the motor to run out-of balance.Noise,and bearing, motor failure can happen.Remember the motor is the HEART of your vacuum!!We don't want any vacuum cleaner "heart" attacks!

Post# 340303 , Reply# 29   12/31/2015 at 02:59 (3,010 days old) by HenryDreyfuss (Ohio)        
Can't say I agree, Vacuumlad,

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HEPA bags and sealed HEPA vacuum cleaners are a huge step forward. Aside from maintaining suction much longer, HEPA bags have several other benefits, such as keeping bag chambers, motors, and the cleaners other filters spotless, and slowing the occurrence of odors. I love how on lots of newer machines (or upgraded older machines), there's peace-of-mind that ALL the dust is staying inside the vacuum. Even if you're not concerned about the improvements in filtration technology in terms of bacteria and air quality, good filtration will protect the vacuum, and help it run longer. Good HEPA bags help the vacuum's suction and airflow, not hurt it.

Also, keep in mind that true HEPA filtration isn't always achieved, despite what companies say. Your Kenmore, for instance, is not a true HEPA machine, as that exhaust filter doesn't have a good-enough seal to really declare it so. However, if you used the excellent Kenmore HEPA bags (which you can practically steal on ebay), your machine's filtration would improve greatly. Make sure the filters are clean though! I've repaired dozens of that model Kenmore, and they were originally made before HEPA bags were a thing. The bag chambers were always filthy, and a bear to clean thanks to their grid-pattern in the plastic. I have a new Kenmore Intuition that's currently getting a workout at a friend's house, and the inside of the bag compartment is immaculate, despite the heavy use, thanks to the improved bag.

When I first got my Numatic Henry, I went through a bunch of regular generic 2-layer paper bags. They were ok, and thankfully Henrys have great pre-motor filters. However, once I upgraded to the HEPA-flo synthetic bags, the difference was immediately noticeable. The HEPA-flo bags could handle MUCH more fine dust, and still maintained strong suction. They don't leak, and you can fill them with pounds of heavy, soot-like dirt before they need to be changed.

I use good HEPA bags in all my vintage machines that have an option, and primarily use vacuums that have sealed HEPA filtration in daily use in my home.

One side note: You may not be concerned about vacuum dust or filtration, but I would NEVER use dryer sheets over the exhaust of any vacuum, as an air freshener. They smell nice, but then you're essentially spewing poison throughout the room when you vacuum. Dryer sheets are made with toxic chemicals, and not meant to be sprayed around a room, and breathed in for prolonged periods of time. You'll get your family sick!


Post# 340309 , Reply# 30   12/31/2015 at 08:14 (3,010 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Honestly, the Perfect Hepa bags made night and day difference in my Silverado. I have always used the factory paper bags, but about the third or fourth time I would use the machine I would notice the drop in air flow sound, and the smell of old dust, tried the bags, both are gone! Bags last so much longer it never drops the airflow! And the bag chamber stays so clean! It looked good before, until I put a white pre motor filter in there. One genuine Lux paper 4 ply and that filter was almost black. NO THANKS

Post# 340313 , Reply# 31   12/31/2015 at 09:40 (3,010 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Well, for me, I really dont need HEPA. After I get a vacuum, no matter how clean it it, i SCRUB it thouroughly. All my Lux's use paper aftermarket bags (currently) and their bag chambers are SPOTLESS (minus the Diplomat...LONG story)
My Kenmore's...the bag chambers were Dirty, but they all had full, ripped bags
My Hoovers came to me Like New!


Post# 340315 , Reply# 32   12/31/2015 at 09:46 (3,010 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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are you taking out the motors and cleaning the fans? It gets in there too

Post# 340317 , Reply# 33   12/31/2015 at 10:09 (3,010 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Well, I did on my Lux LX, and L. Nathan Thomas (Electrolux Dude, he calls himself My Friendly Electrolux Salesman, referencing the Model E) Serviced all my other Electrolux's within the past six months, and he cleaned them
I re-built the motor in my Kenmore Upright, hoping it would get rid of its musty smell (finally went away) but the others i have yet to work on. My Hoover Upright really needs to have the fan cleaned, since its direct air, as well as its bearings oiled. Hasnt been serviced since 2000
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Post# 340346 , Reply# 34   12/31/2015 at 16:40 (3,010 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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Suckolicious/David, did you remove the tab on the paper bag?

You should try it. It makes a difference.


Post# 340384 , Reply# 35   1/1/2016 at 12:37 (3,009 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I have not, there is such a good seal on the door I can't imagine it changing anything. The Perfect bags have that part too, no leaks in over a year, pre filter still looks new.

Post# 340387 , Reply# 36   1/1/2016 at 13:10 (3,009 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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i really see no reason to remove the seal tab from the bag. it has been put there for a reason

Post# 340393 , Reply# 37   1/1/2016 at 13:43 (3,009 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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@vacuumlad1650 - Exactly.


Post# 340394 , Reply# 38   1/1/2016 at 13:47 (3,009 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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I intentionally keep those on my bags! it seals the opening with the rubber membrane

Post# 340402 , Reply# 39   1/1/2016 at 15:04 (3,009 days old) by motojoejo (MO)        

For people like me, filteration makes a huge difference. I have asthma and severe allergies combined with little storage space effects what machines I keep in my collection. I use the cloth hepa bags in several machines with great results. I use them in my Oreck Buster B to clean out pianos before I tune them for clients. The suction improved noticeably, far less loss of air flow and zero odor to the point I have to remember to check the bag because it'll keep going packed full. If there is a way to improve filteration then I'm gonna use it.

I have wear a mask when changing bags or taking apart machines to clean so you can understand the only bag less vacuum I own is my trusty Rainbow D4 SE PN2. I adore my classic Hoover convertibles but I use them only occasionally for fun and not much is offered for them in high filteration.

I have gone to the hospital with severe asthma attacks from dealing with dusty vacuums. The first time was using a Sanitaire commercial with a shake out bag that leaked from the top, second was forgetting to wear a mask when emptying a Kirby classic lll shake out bag and very nasty attack when using and emptying my sisters Dyson ( it had a leak and I thought I was standing upwind when emptying but wind changed direction).

I gladly pay extra for better grade bags to help me and and the added bonus of keeping my clean air machines working cleaner which equals higher efficiency. I rely on three favorites to keep the home clean with two of having the hepa bags installed ( Kirby Heritage ll with Sentria hepa bag modification and Panasonic Platinum Performance Plus with hepa bags installed). I breath nice and easy in my home and I can lay off allergy pills on my days off work.


Post# 340403 , Reply# 40   1/1/2016 at 15:31 (3,009 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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That really is a case where i TOTALLY get using HEPA. Its when its just an average person using them for no reason other that to be on the HEPA Hype

Post# 340405 , Reply# 41   1/1/2016 at 16:19 (3,009 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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@vacuumlad1650 - Exactly, exactly, exactly. When there is a medical or therapeutic need for HEPA or other micro-filtration then of course people should avail themselves of it. But the average person with no allergies or asthma has no need for it and it just wasting their money.


Post# 340412 , Reply# 42   1/1/2016 at 16:58 (3,009 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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If anything, the average person using hepa are doing harm. They should be breathing some dirt and dust to straighten their immune system. Not excessive amounts, but a small amount some

Post# 340416 , Reply# 43   1/1/2016 at 17:19 (3,009 days old) by motojoejo (MO)        

I've not noticed a difference using a vacuum that "HEPA" vs. micro filteration. Both seem to work very well for me along with water filtering. I grew up with my mom using a Rainbow D3 so I never had issues until my dad broke it and replaced it with a Hoover Legacy hard shell. We had to buy air purifiers after that. When my dad broke the Hoover and guiltily replaced it with a Rainbow E series, we stopped needing the air purifiers as much and he quit vacuuming.

Filteration is a must for people like me but I don't like the hype that many brands are using HEPA as a sales buzz word. Not knocking Dyson for cleaning ability but some like me can't use one due to maintenance hazards. I have to wear a mask to take one outside to empty (emptying indoor is not an option) and taking apart to clean bin and filters or have some else do it in another house so where's the practicality of it? In this case it seems futile to promote HEPA for a machine that creates dirty air when maintenance after use. Brands like Sebo, Miele, Oreck, Aerus etc etc that make the self sealing bags put thought into their products for people like me.

With the growing number of people with allergies, asthma, COPD, and lung cancer the need for HEPA is great when used in the right application. If a person doesn't need this level then why should the waste hard earned money?


Post# 340417 , Reply# 44   1/1/2016 at 17:28 (3,009 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Thank you for those thoughts motojoejo. Thats a very good point!

Post# 340430 , Reply# 45   1/1/2016 at 21:48 (3,009 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        
In a single simple picture...

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It's like trying to close a door with an extension cord going through it.


In short, this is why.

This is a picture of what it looks like on the inside of vacuum bag when the door closes and the fill tube is inserted.

Look at the gap around that tab. Dust and dirt DOES leak out there.

I've continued this discussion in another thread:


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Post# 340458 , Reply# 46   1/2/2016 at 09:16 (3,008 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Lets not forget, the suction will pull the dust in and the membrane closed. it will only be like that when the vacuum isnt turned on
Andy Rousonelos


Post# 340460 , Reply# 47   1/2/2016 at 09:26 (3,008 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        
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"If anything, the average person using hepa are doing harm. They should be breathing some dirt and dust to straighten their immune system."

You have a valid point there. But, in my opinion, you are doing more harm by NOT using HEPA Cloth bags & HEPA filters!

Let me ask a question here....Do you realize what the dirt in your carpet is actually comprised of? It's NOT just dust & dirt. Carpeting itself, by it's very nature, whether it be area rugs or wall-to-wall, has some very nasty chemicals in it, due to the manufacturing processes used to make it. Formaldehyde being one of them. Then, if you are the average person who uses carpet powders, like Arm & Hammer, you have the toxic residue still left, plus if you shampoo carpets using a machine like the Aerus Floor Pro or Kirby Carpet Shampoo System, or use a residential-grade extractor, such as a Hoover SteamVac or Rug Doctor, your carpets will have residue from the detergent used. Then, you vacuum 2 or 3 times a week, & your vacuum picks up all the dirt, & spews all that dust back into the air, along with all the chemical residue. If you don't have a air purifier running in the room as you clean, guess where all that toxic dust goes?? YOUR LUNGS!!!!! If I owned my own house & didn't rent a apartment, I would NEVER have wall-to-wall carpeting in my home, only area rugs, & they would get replaced every few years.

Indoor air quality in homes today is a HUGE problem! To the point, in my opinion, that anyone with children should be using air purifiers & a vacuum with a HEPA Filter on the exhaust, & preferably a bagged vacuum with HEPA Cloth bags. Kids today are exposed to so much pollution & dust outside, at school, at their friend's homes, & while playing, they don't need any more exposure once they get home & see their siblings & Mom & Dad. People that grew up decades ago in the 50's, 60's, & 70's may have been able to put up with the dust exposure that occurs using vintage vacuums with (what we now know to be) poor filtration & not develop allergies or asthma. But the world kids grow up in today has changed drastically, & in a lot of cases, their immune systems are underdeveloped when they are born. Yes, a child does need to be exposed to pollutants in small levels to build their immune system, but NOT the kind of toxic dust & chemicals that vacuums without proper filtration emit back into the ambient room enviroment.

So, do I use HEPA Cloth bags in my vacuums? Yes! Absolutely. And I also run 2 HEPA air purifiers in my home 24/7, changing the filters once a year. Being a allergy sufferer myself here, I do feel the dust in the air if I use paper bags, or if I empty a bagless vacuum without wearing a mask. Same goes if I forget to change the air purifier filters for too long, I can tell some dust is still present. I also think using HEPA Cloth bags makes my vacuums clean better too....in my Electrolux canisters, the bags don't take nearly as long to clog as the 4 ply bags or Aerus Home Solutions bags. As for whether HEPA Cloth bags cause a vacuum to overheat? I haven't noticed any difference there. I think it would be the opposite....using paper bags would actually cause a vacuum to overheat more than HEPA Cloth bags, since paper micro-filtration bags clog much quicker, reduce airflow & cleaning efficiency throughout the vacuum, & therefore put more strain on the motor.

Rob


Post# 340466 , Reply# 48   1/2/2016 at 09:57 (3,008 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Well, Rob
One thing Im going to point out is there is very little carpet in my house. Only in our bedrooms, as well as a rug in the Living Room and one in the front hall, as well as by the garage door and back door. I have never (and will never) use carpet powder, nor have our carpets ever been shampooed. We are hoping to hire a professional to do that here in 2016.
Another point, that you and I have discussed in the past, is the increasing cost in HEPA bags. I do see the point in HEPA filters and Bags if you have Allergys, but when you dont, you are harming yourself.
When at work on our farm, I am ofter engulfed in dust-clouds from cabless tractors with some jobs. When we harvest, the dust is thick enough to hinder your vision. Dad and I have been doing this all our lives and we are both in good health. My grandfather did this for 82 years before he had a stroke and retired. He passed away in good health, but he had choked on a sandwich, and got scared, and had a fatal heart attack. He lived on a farm until he was 86, then moved into assisted living due to his speech and mobility issues after his stroke. He breathed dusty air all those years and was fine! Even more, my Grandmother used all Electrolux in their house with Generic paperbags. She never once changed the filters on her vacuums, and is still in good physical health today.
It really depends on the person. Some people are sensitave to dirt and germs. That is a case where HEPA is a must. I really never saw a need for it in my life, nor in the lives of many others who use it. There are many counter arguments, but there are also many that go along with this point. I still want to hear the opinions of others who wish to share
Andy Rousonelos


Post# 340476 , Reply# 49   1/2/2016 at 12:06 (3,008 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Healthy people breathing dust

Is still not a good idea.   We know very little about what is in our dust, anything from lead to insect droppings.  Though I doubt many of us are dealing with Ebola or Nuclear Waste we don't know what long term effects of carbon dust, and other byproducts of living will do to us after long and repeated exposures. 

 

Plain ole dust, we here in Kansas are familiar.  There is a condition many people in Kansas develop called Granulomaous, where dust is is inhaled into the lungs, the filter system in our lungs are very  efficient, but when over loaded and not removed the lung then forms a protective layer around the dust particle forming a granual this granual can then form a mold infection inside as the body is attempting to attack it we develop antibodies and increased  white cells.   This can also lead to violent reactions to mold based antibiotics.  

 

My doctor said that if they see this condition in other areas of the country they get concerned, in Kansas it's so common they don't worry. 

 

But you see a blanket statement that we should breath dust is irresponsible, as we can get enough dust in the outside world, but we should attempt to curtail it in our homes where the air quality is 10x worse than it is outside.  

 

People that don't want dust control are free to not use it.  

Though I do agree with you that marketing hype has placed HEPA in the same category  green tea and carb reduced cereal I still feel that good filtration, maybe not HEPA like, has it's necessity. 


Post# 340479 , Reply# 50   1/2/2016 at 12:47 (3,008 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I do have allergies, but bigger issue here?? I Despise! Dusting! I break crap way too easily. Clumsy sure, but fingers have no real feeling and they move stiffly at best, so I do anything to keep dust to a minimum.My own world, not everyone else's of course.

Post# 340630 , Reply# 51   1/4/2016 at 13:09 (3,006 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
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Hepa.
I hear some people, only a rare few, exactly, complain about a vacuum belching out dust...Hoover , "Convertibles", for example.
I ask myself, what do you pick up in your Convertible? How often do you change your bag? What type of bag(s) do you use? Maybe you don't have the correct "technique"? With over 100 Hoover Convertibles in my collection of over 450 Hoover products, I never experience dust 'belching'. Changing those bags is really simple. Anyone could do it, or almost anyone, I'd imagine. And, if you use Type "A"..... well HOW CAN YOU "GET IT WRONG"? I ask you that.
Perhaps I'm very fortunate to have these machines in my home. Dust never belches, passes, leaks, (feel free to pick a verb). If anyone is experiencing these issues, I'm sure one of us, many, actually, could walk you through it. I never bash any brand of vacuum, (do I?) It's terrible to see someone having so many problems with a certain vacuum company, appliance, model, etc.
I'm sure if it were a nationwide problem, someone at HOOVER would have looked into this very closely. There would have been a recall, engineering would have been on top of that in a heartbeat.

I asked Ray Porter, (supervisor of HOOVER Bag Plant #2, why they didn't jump on the Hepa bandwagon in the beginning of the Hepa craze. He replied, "They should have".


Post# 340648 , Reply# 52   1/4/2016 at 15:09 (3,006 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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As owner of the Hoover Senior and Junior models with the bottom fill bag and dust channel I can testify dust belching out always occurred when changing the bag. Oh of course unless I was like my poor grandmother with arthritic fingers and hands and had to take everything twice as slowly.

Much prefer Hoover’s top fill dust channel tube. Life was far easier and less dustier, then. Made far more sense when the dust goes down into the bag rather than wasting it at the collar.

Just my tuppence worth here.


Post# 340650 , Reply# 53   1/4/2016 at 15:20 (3,006 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)        

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Hepa? Me? No. Frankly, I have other things to worry about! Minor roof leak at the moment! If I had a severe dust allergy I might think differently. I think our society has become too clean. If people want to call me ignorant that's fine with me. I'll just continue to push my convertible or cloth bag Kirby in ignorance.. Hey at least I'm happy, LOL!

Post# 340653 , Reply# 54   1/4/2016 at 15:31 (3,006 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Personally if you are susceptible to dust in the first place, air purifiers or similar machines that can clean the air first should be purchased. Relying solely on a HEPA filter in a vacuum cleaner won't save you.

Interesting article here regarding air purifiers.


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Post# 340664 , Reply# 55   1/4/2016 at 16:15 (3,006 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Klovland

I just find humor in the fact that your avatar is with an Air-Way, one of the first HEPA like bags on the market. 

 

John

I think the paper disposable bag was the biggest advent to vacuum cleaners.  You were able to toss it away without creating a puff of dust in the air.  We've come a long way since the pillow case on the fan box.

 

 

 




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Post# 340667 , Reply# 56   1/4/2016 at 16:39 (3,006 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)        

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Harley, Yes you are right about Airway! What can I say I like a variety of vacuum cleaners. Each one is unique to me and I like using all the vacuums in my collection Hepa or not. Plus, there is no way a house is going to be 100 percent dust free!

Post# 340690 , Reply# 57   1/5/2016 at 07:12 (3,005 days old) by hooverkid (PA,USA)        

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I didn't read all of the comments so someone could have already said this, but in my experience a synthetic hepa bag not only filters better meaning the vacuum fan stays clean but I have found that the hepa bags let the air flow easier through the machine than a paper bag and maintain that performance meaning less strain on the motor.

Post# 340691 , Reply# 58   1/5/2016 at 07:20 (3,005 days old) by ryan1994jeep (Georgia)        

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I use hepa bags not only for the filtration. But after spending all that time and effort cleaning a machine up the hepa bags keep the bag chamber clean. I love all vacuums (somtimes bagless) so it's all a preference though.

Post# 340699 , Reply# 59   1/5/2016 at 10:18 (3,005 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
We certainly have come mountains from the

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"Fabulous Dudtpan". An, coincidentally, the late Murray Spangler had asthma!!!!I've seen people who fill their bags almost to the very top, ignoring altogether the printed notice:Replace bag when dirt reached this line"- - - - - - - - - - - - -
But, then again, others just like to rattle the slats of others by bashing a vacuum or a vacuum company.

I've HAD to run an Oreck at work, a Kirby at our church, a Miele at the home of someone I was involved with, and so on. I used them. Some had nice qualities... I'd never seek them out, but I don't bash them, either . 'Do I bash"? Nope. Oh, trust me, I COULD, but, sometimes the "high road" is best, if not always the easiest route.
So, if you like Hepa, knock yourself out. If you like paper, likewise. If you like bag less......have a ball. I'm quite content with my cleaners and a lifetime supply of genuine bags: both paper and hepa.


Post# 340700 , Reply# 60   1/5/2016 at 10:34 (3,005 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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I think it's funny that some people believe a model LX Electrolux ejects the bag "5 or 6 feet". When the front door opens, the motor is still running at full speed. The ejector can only eject the bag, at most, about one foot. Not nearly enough force to go five or six feet.

While homes will always have dust in them, there's no need to add dust to the air with standard paper bags. My Hoovers with GENUINE type C bags (A bags as well), always belch dust as they start up and while running. Look at a running convertible in the direct sunlight. BELCHING dust. And after ten minutes, hopelessly clogged. Regular paper bags are the hardest on a vacuum's motor.


Post# 340725 , Reply# 61   1/5/2016 at 13:48 (3,005 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)        

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I'm sorry a convertible bag doesn’t clog after ten minutes of use rendering the vacuum useless as implied. If that were the case then why did the convertible sell in large numbers (1957-1993)?

Post# 340726 , Reply# 62   1/5/2016 at 14:08 (3,005 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Kenneth

That's an old Rainbow sales tactic.   Bright light shows the dust flying from the machine. 

 

Bags are of a porous  material and even the HEPA type are going to allow something that is small enough pass. 

 

Funny thing, in the 80s a well known consumer magazine reported that even the Rainbow was not 100% efficient in capturing "Non-Wettable" dust.  Hence the after filter.

 

The loss of suction, though not as dramatic, does happen.  Then there is the "storing dirt in your closet."

 

 

 

 


Post# 340727 , Reply# 63   1/5/2016 at 14:22 (3,005 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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@Tom Gasko - I have made videos of one of my LXs ejecting bags for as far as five feet, and have seen them go flying even further than that with LXs that still have a very strong ejection mechanism.

If you don't believe me, see the link below which shows it in slow-motion.


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Post# 340729 , Reply# 64   1/5/2016 at 14:41 (3,005 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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Something funny about the LX: When the motor shuts off and the front cover pops open, the bag makes a "poooh" sound like when you blow up a balloon and let the air escape by stretching the mouth tightly open.

Which, of course, is basically what's happening -- air is still getting sucked in through the rubber membrane in the top of the bag for just a second when the tiny hole in it snaps shut as the chrome snout in the front cover is pulling out of it.


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Post# 340731 , Reply# 65   1/5/2016 at 15:00 (3,005 days old) by Kloveland (Tulsa)        

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Harley,

I agree with you on most of what you said. I'm responding to the statement about the convertible clogging within 10 minutes. The statement reads as if the convertible is an ineffective cleaner which it is not. Sounds an awful lot like brand bashing to me.


Post# 340740 , Reply# 66   1/5/2016 at 18:49 (3,005 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Charles are you saying its a quiet fart? Barking spiders?

Post# 340743 , Reply# 67   1/5/2016 at 19:42 (3,005 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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Post# 340749 , Reply# 68   1/5/2016 at 21:18 (3,005 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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What the heck is going on in this thread?  It's degenerated into sex talk? wink

 

...not that I'm complaining.

 

 

 

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Seriously, If the Hepa's aren't paper, they must be a woven synthetic.  right?

 

1. I have a problem with that because that means they aren't likely to break down in a landfill.  They aren't that big, but.......

 

2. wouldn't that make them cleanable?..... and thus reuse-able?   I mean we're basically talking about something like Tyvek house wrap that's been made into a vacuum bag.  That's what it sounds like.

 

If these are readily cleanable, who can argue with that.  Very Eco-friendly.

 


Post# 340751 , Reply# 69   1/5/2016 at 21:22 (3,005 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        

Cloth breaks down.    I have three month old Levi's to prove it.

 

 


Post# 340754 , Reply# 70   1/5/2016 at 21:28 (3,005 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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hey, Im not coming near complaining! This thread has become a Double Rainbow...haha
Andy


Post# 340763 , Reply# 71   1/6/2016 at 02:43 (3,005 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Bag breaking down in a landfill-really NOTHING breaks down in a landfill-at best MAYBE very slowly.To break things "down" we need air,and UV rays from the Sun.Wind,rain,snow help,too.Sanitary landfills as the name says bury the trash so it isn't seen or blows around.Debris from old landfills has been dug up-and largely INTACT!!The old newspaperrs still could be read!What would be more eco "freindly"?A bagged vacuum that can last for many years or a bagless one set out for the trash after a couple years?The unfortunate vacuum put on the curb first gets crushed by the compactor mechanism in the trash truck.Next it is run over by a landfill compactor tractor dozer-same as the other trash.This machine has large,steel "gear" wheels that crush and further pulverize things as the tractor runs over them.The blade on the front spreads the debris.These machines are VERY heavy-often weighing in at 100 tons!So---that Filtrete bag is going to be SHREDS and well stompted shreds at that after the compactor runs over it!And with bagless vacuums so common-see "poofs" of dust coming from trash trucks as the unbagged debris is packed into the truck.And of course that stuff that gets into the air!

Post# 340799 , Reply# 72   1/6/2016 at 14:26 (3,004 days old) by Hooverboy81 (Myrtle Place)        

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Truthfully, I don't think it's the vacuums that are "belching dust"...just saying.

Post# 340818 , Reply# 73   1/6/2016 at 19:02 (3,004 days old) by akabent (LEFT Coast)        
Belching dust

It seems to me, if said author is experiencing a Convertible belching dust, it might be wise to find a capable individual to easily remediate the problem by sealing whichever end of the bellows is responsible for the problem.  It would not be the genuine 'C' bag but rather a leaking air passage.  Problem solved; not really rocket science.

RBinOC


Post# 340884 , Reply# 74   1/7/2016 at 18:50 (3,003 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
HEPA bags are spectacular!!!

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Breathing and health issues aside, HEPA bags are fantastic. All of the HEPA bags that I've ever tried are a larger size than standard paper. I've tried generic and Genunine manufacturer bags. This means larger surface area. Larger surface area means more airflow escape points!!! Additionally most good HEPA like bags have a plastic piece on the portion of the bag directly infront of the bag intake. So now rather than that huge dust belch directly in front of the bag inlet on your Hoover Elite bag doors, or bottom of canister vacs, as examples, below the swivel hose connection, it is nice and clean as dirt can't stick or be blown out of the bag in that area anymore!!!

Typically you would think that with the HEPA having smaller pores for the air and dirt to pass through, that the bag would choke off quicker. In my experience, the reverse is in effect!! Due to the bags being more of a cloth or synthetic like material, it's almost like the inside of the bags are knitted and possibly treated in a way that the dirt does not clog the pores near as quick or to the point of a standard paper bag or especially near to that of a Sanitaire style shake out bag.

Bag compartmentment cleanliness and overall machine cleanliness, pre and post motor filter life and motors all stay FAR cleaner with the use of HEPA bags!! Talk about saving money- wouldn't we like the vacuums filters to last longer before replacement!!!! While many filters can be washed, you can really only wash a filter a few times before they get too worn and deformed or tattered.

Prior to HEPA bags in my canister vacuums, I would have to quarterly give a machine a thorough cleaning inside and out of the bag compartment and wash or replace filters. Now I'm at the point, I can't remember the last time I had to do the tedious chore of wiping out a bag compartment. I'm sure I don't have to describe how every plastic housing bag compartment on an upright and canister has tons of nooks and crannies that are very hard to clean and almost seem to need a Q-tip or you end up cutting your hands up sometimes trying to clean bag compartments!!

The dust level created by a paper bag is much easier to see when using a gorgeous vivid color of a navy blue Eureka World Vac hard case upright, navy blue Hoover PowerDrive upright, Black Kenmore canister vacuum cleaner, etc!!! Give any of these machines a standard bag length with absolutely no cleaning to the machine at all during that time frame and then put the entire machine under a very bright light!! Now imagine if that dust amount can collect on the machine in that small few weeks period of time, what is going into the air in your home to land in your lungs, on the circuit boards of your televisions, and computers, your classy furniture, children's lungs, etc, etc.!!!

Vacuums are powerful machines pulling the filth off of surfaces whether it be the 1000's of dead skin cells shed by the human body on a daily basis or outside elements. All of that filth sits inside of a dark, warm, filthy environment of your vacuum bag festering, and breeding more bacteria, dust mites, and germs for weeks, then air rushes into those environments and we breathe that air as it is rapidly expelled back out into the room every time the vacuum cleaner is run!!! Would you want to drink water that was passed through that environment of a filth laden vacuum bag but then filtered by the thin paper???? Why breathe it, now that the technology and science is there to help us!!!

I can't stress enough in my experience how HEPA bags despite a little more costly better retain air flow in the vacuum cleaner, keep your vacuum cleaner clean, prolonging filter life, much better retention of odors, a cleaner home environment to reduce your dusting, and a healthier environment in general!!!

Also for price variation try HEPA similar bags in green and white packaging by Envirocare. I love this distributor. Try doing numerous searches on their site for various items. They are categorized different ways and I generally use the search bar for better selection!!
3 Pack Hoover S bags of this style: $3.03,
3 Pack Kenmore C/Q canister bags of this style $2.69
3 Pack Hoover Y bags $2.59

I read some of the comments of the need for dirt and germs. Keep in mind this is not running an air cleaner and not washing your walls or your floors, it's just a method to capture as much as possible the filth from your upholstery and flooring that you were using the vacuum cleaner as it's intended function to do!!! There is still plenty of filth and germs outside, in your work environments, our schools, etc. But you don't have to breathe that stuff in when cleaning your home for it linger in the air while you and your family sleep!!


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Post# 340885 , Reply# 75   1/7/2016 at 18:59 (3,003 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Well, dont forget, im not in as much of a financial position to buy hepa. Even if i was, it really is just a personal choice not to use them. im VERY old school...with anything! I really feel like paper bags catch enough dirt for me

Post# 340886 , Reply# 76   1/7/2016 at 19:17 (3,003 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
My adaptation on Genuine bags!

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I'm using Hoover for this example!

I'm a huge supporter and love only to use Genuine manufacturer bags or parts. Hoover is my favorite canister vacuum cleaner of all time!! I have 8 Hoover power nozzle canister vacuums in my house currently from early Hoover Celebrity II Elite to Hoover Windtunnel Bagless. However Hoover isn't the same company that they were years back. I don't think TTI has any care for their great heritage and as it sounds like Maytag steadily led them towards a downhill path and didn't take good care of the factories that were in North Canton, Ohio, which are now therefore closed down.
Hoover no longer manufacturers the green standard filtration bags that I actually liked years ago and still can find on rare occasion!! However, the new white replacements are very cheaply made and don't filter near as well nor have as good a performance on the machine. Despite my love of Hoover power nozzle canister vacuums, they sadly don't even have one on the website that I have any interest in getting if I was in the market for a new!! 10 years ago that decision would have still been easy when they had PowerMax and Windtunnels with the Spectrum suction body styling!!

It is with that said, that I have no problem recommending generic bags of Envirocare or if I come across something good from DVC, etc.


Post# 340888 , Reply# 77   1/7/2016 at 19:31 (3,003 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I have to throw in my experience on that brand Q bag for Kenmore. I have tried 3 packages, they filter very well and maintain suction, BUT, the cardboard collar on them will pull away as they fill or get any resistance. I have had to tape them to the bag hangar to avoid this, just too thin collar I think?

Post# 340889 , Reply# 78   1/7/2016 at 19:48 (3,003 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
Vacuumlad1650

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I'm just giving my 2 cents and opinion on HEPA filtration vacuum bags based on experience! I'm 33 years old and have done house cleaning on the side since my first customer when I was 12 years old!! In those 21 years of cleaning clients, helping grandparents, aunts and uncles clean their homes, cleaning my college fraternity house, commercial cleaning, vacuum collecting and performing vacuum refurbishment I have gained lots of experience with many many different vacuums over the years. Since I have to use the machines, I maintain them so I accomplish my work more efficiently.

I DEFINITELY feel your pain financially!!

Despite my house cleaning and hard working abilities my career path has never led where I'd hoped!! I have a Bachelors Degree, Real Estate Sales licenses for 2 states and a Health and Life insurance license, Filter Queen and Rainbow sales experience. Filter Queen and Rainbow only led to incredible vehicle mileage with high fuel usage and township solicitation issues that distributors wouldn't help with extraneous $50/ week permit costs by those townships to advertise legally!! I've been plagued by poor real estate markets, poor direction and set up for success by AFLAC, bad restaurant markets where Regional Managers won't promote from that area cause those stores weren't high performers and a host of other things!! None of the career paths I've tried have led anywhere sadly!. So I'm a single 33 year old, renting an apartment on extremely low income. Finally I decided to take another jump start and I'm now back in school working to add onto my Bachelors Degree with an Associates Degree in Computers with an internship at the end of the program!! I'm really hoping that this program is my "Light at the end of the Tunnel!!

Despite being low income with high credit card debt I wake up every day trying to focus on the positives and that with the wonderful staff at the school and very high job placement rate in a couple years I'll be just fine!! But until then I'm good at online research and found very very low prices on vacuum bags from the link I posted above that are near HEPA grade!! I appreciate family, friends for support and a few of my vacuums were gifts from various collectors.

You initiated this thread and I feel in reading some of the comments that for some reason you seem very defensive and at times disrespectful towards just about every members response on their opinions and inputs.

Vacuumland is a website where vacuum enthusiasts can come together to discuss, share, and learn from each other. Whether it be joys of owning a collection and marveling over the fantastic restoration work members have accomplished to giving and receiving repair advice and other tips. I urge that we all consider this family like environment in responses and be able to accept, courteously discuss and possibly consider new techniques and advice from each other rather than the alternative.

Happy Vacuuming and Happy New Year to all!


Post# 340890 , Reply# 79   1/7/2016 at 19:58 (3,003 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
Suckolux

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That's very interesting and shockingly sad!! I haven't experienced that yet but I appreciate the heads up!. I don't own any Kenmore canisters but I buy the Envirocare Kenmore Q bags to glue cardboard collars for Hoover Type M bags to them and I'm able to use a HEPA bag in my Hoover Dimension 1000 canister vacuum!! I've also heard of some users having luck gluing Eureka B bag collars to the Kenmore style HEPA bags. I have yet to try that. But I now have 2 Eureka B bag units so I may very well do so!

Thanks for the warning!!!


Post# 340891 , Reply# 80   1/7/2016 at 20:23 (3,003 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I am using masking tape top and bottom to hold them in, seems the middle of the collar pulls back?Comes with very little warning too. Material of the bags is very good, but I think the collar is just too weak.Again, my 2 cents with my machine.

Post# 340895 , Reply# 81   1/7/2016 at 21:38 (3,003 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        
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Well, i started cleaning houses for my extended family at 9, and my neighbors since i was 11. I have used many different machines, but i really love cleaning for an old woman down the street who has a BEAUTIFUL Hoover Constellation that looks like it is new! It has the Genuine Green HOOVER Bag in it!
My Hoover PowerDrive that belonged to my Grandmother currently has a generic bag, but I have 2 packs of the Green Hoover bags for it. One from goodwill, the other is from my Grandma. The bag from grandma is staying sealed. I can use the Goodwill bag no problem. I manage to save money by not buying HEPA bags, and changing filters when they REALLY get bad. Im trying to save up for a house. I currently use (Almost) all generic bags, Minus 2 Kenmore vacuums and a Hoover.
Andy Rousonelos


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Post# 340896 , Reply# 82   1/7/2016 at 21:38 (3,003 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Also, I tape full bags shut. i hate a face full of dust when i change a bag!
Andy


Post# 340922 , Reply# 83   1/8/2016 at 10:30 (3,002 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
i hate a face full of dust when i change a bag!

Dust is good for you.

 Builds your immune system.

 


Post# 340924 , Reply# 84   1/8/2016 at 11:36 (3,002 days old) by CoffeeCanMan (Ferndale, MI)        

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Dust is not "good for you" otherwise we wouldn't have vacuum cleaners...

I would go as far as to say a little dust isn't harmful, but certainly not "good for you."

With that said, I do not, and will never use HEPA bags, since I mainly clean with pre-war Hoovers. My home is clean and there is never a film of dust on anything. I empty the bags outdoors after each use, since emptying a cloth Hoover bag IS a messy affair.


Post# 340925 , Reply# 85   1/8/2016 at 11:45 (3,002 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Dust is not "good for you"

PSST--Read the whole thread, including OP's statements.  My response #49 this thread.

 

One was throwing his dust back at him.

 

 


Post# 340929 , Reply# 86   1/8/2016 at 12:54 (3,002 days old) by CoffeeCanMan (Ferndale, MI)        

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I did read the whole topic, I was just putting my opinion and experience out there for anyone who cares.

Post# 340930 , Reply# 87   1/8/2016 at 13:08 (3,002 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Dust comment

:-)

I was being sarcastic, and didn't want my position being confused. 

 

"Move along, nothing to see here. "

 


Post# 340943 , Reply# 88   1/8/2016 at 15:02 (3,002 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Im not saying Dust is good for you, but it is needed to strengthens the immune system. I dont mind breathing dust, what I dont like is when I take a bag out and it gets squeezed of bumped and a cloud of dust hist my face
Andy


Post# 340967 , Reply# 89   1/9/2016 at 00:19 (3,002 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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Hi Vacuumlad1650, I try to be a respecting person so I hope you don't mind if I call you Andy. Afterall, that is the name listed in your profile, you've signed several posts with and we've never yet met in person!

You have a gorgeous Hoover Power Drive upright! Those are very nice machines. It's a shame that your Grandma didn't take your knowledge when you were young about disconnecting the hose when doing carpets.

I used to have this Blue Hoover Power Drive upright pictured below but I ended up selling it to a client of mine. I do miss it, it was a great machine but since I primarily bought it to use while I actually moved in with that family for a few years, I sold it to her prior to moving.

I think there are definitely some health benefits to not being the cleanest person on Earth and having some exposure to germs and dirt. That being said there is a big difference of environmental exposure and when a vacuum cleaner bag makes a little explosion in the air for one to choke on when trying to remove and dispose of them! That type of thing would tick me off too.

I have found that if I mainly try to remove a bag two handed by the cardboard and also rear or bottom of the bag, so it remains fairly level then the process ends up being sanitary with no dust belches!

There is a different technique to be acquired for each individual machine though depending on how bags are installed, etc. It's nice when the bags are filled enough to hold the shape of the bag when disposed of as the stiffer shape seems to lock the dirt in more, I find too.

Happy Vacuuming!

ROB


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Post# 340977 , Reply# 90   1/9/2016 at 07:00 (3,001 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        
Rob

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Sorry if you dont want me calling you Zippy! John long refers to you as that...
Its fine too call me Andy! i sign my posts like that so people dont HAVE to type Vacuumlad1650. its a mouthful!
Thats a Very nice Power Drive Supreme, I have the beige one and i had the burgendy one, but I traded it on my PortaPower.
By the time my grandmother bought the PowerDirve, she was fairly blind and was very careful about vacuuming. This was around 96 when she bought it. She hired the Ladies from the cleaning company in...i think it was 2002. I never liked them because they would scold me when i would vacuum. "You Arent Doing it Right!" they would say too me. They usually used the PowerDrive (for the self propel. One of the ladies was thin as a rail!) and the other used the Kenmore progressive 300 upright. Both have had an easy life since coming to me. I plan to make them last forever. And now I am getting an Elite II...On yes!
Have a Good One! Thats a VERY Nice looking Supreme!
Andy Rousonelos


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Post# 340983 , Reply# 91   1/9/2016 at 09:44 (3,001 days old) by citroenbx (england)        

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heap means to me over heating


Post# 340984 , Reply# 92   1/9/2016 at 10:35 (3,001 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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Yes, John Long has been a great friend for a few years now. I love attending vacuum meets at his home. I plan on making a Chocolate Chip cake for the next one and I might do the salad too since he really appreciated that. Gotta make sure everyone gets one veggies!!

Currently my Hoover PowerMax style canisters and a Windtunnel canister are running HEPA similar Envirocare S bags. Hoover Dimension 1000 is running with Kenmore Q HEPA bag. Eureka canisters are running standard filtration Eureka Genuine B bags. Hoover Convertible and Decade 800 that I just gotgot, and am still tuning up, are running with Genuine Hoover Allergen filtration A bags. Hoover Breathe Easy that I just got is running Arm and Hammer Z bags. The bags were given to me so I'm using them but will switch over to most likely HEPA Z bags. Simplicity canisters will be running HEPA Simplicity/Riccar bags when fully cleaned up and ready for usage.


Post# 340987 , Reply# 93   1/9/2016 at 11:09 (3,001 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        
BAG UPDATE

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Here are all my bags and miscellany parts i am using. Sorry i have not the best pictures. Michael, my Partner was using my shop so I couldnt go down there and take pictures right now
Andy


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Post# 340988 , Reply# 94   1/9/2016 at 11:09 (3,001 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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And COULDNT TAKE Pictures right now. Whoops!

Post# 341015 , Reply# 95   1/9/2016 at 18:18 (3,001 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I think if you can try the synthetic bags if you can get them for your vacuum; you wont have to spend so much on bags as the newer ones tend to last longer for each brand.

And before you go down that route, they aren't usually fitted with many layers of paper like "HEPA" bags, nor do they put any strain on the motor. Made of finely compacted S-Class electrostatic felt, they allow dust to remain trapped in the bag and lets airflow through.


Post# 341036 , Reply# 96   1/9/2016 at 23:29 (3,001 days old) by motojoejo (MO)        

So many interesting points brought up here. Out all the machines I own (which is a small collection), I've found that air flow improved, the bags hold a lot more dirt before any notice of suction loss and yet to see any over heating or strain on the motors. These bags seem to hold a lot more before losing suction compared to paper. So I'm wondering if cloth HEPA holds twice as much as paper before needing changing and if so, would it equate to 2 paper bag = 1 HEPA bag?

I keep a small collection for space and cost. So my rule is, if I can't use it then it needs to find another home. This goes for machines that are too bulky, unhealthy for me to use or noisy. With the exception of my two 1970-72 Hoover Convertibles, GE swivel top and royal hand held- I've been able to fit good filteration with my machines so I can use them and enjoy them.


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Post# 341059 , Reply# 97   1/10/2016 at 14:12 (3,000 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        
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I hear you on those Kenmore bags! I am road-testing a solution to solving the problem with the bag collar coming un-seated from the bag holder. Stay tuned, as soon as I know this works as I expect it to, I will be posting & making a how-to tutorial guide. Trust me, when you see this, you're gonna think it's a genius idea & why nobody hadn't done this before!

Rob


Post# 341064 , Reply# 98   1/10/2016 at 15:33 (3,000 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I am used to drop in Lux bags and the slide in Miele, so that Kenmore is a bit tough, not much feeling in fingers,stiff, hard to fight when I can't win it!I really enjoy the machine but for that.Have been told the factory Q bags work fine.

Post# 341068 , Reply# 99   1/10/2016 at 16:11 (3,000 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        

I just put tape around the kenmore bag holder so it stays in place and doesn't leak dust. A quick and effective fix.

Post# 341079 , Reply# 100   1/10/2016 at 18:59 (3,000 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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this works sometimes!

Post# 341163 , Reply# 101   1/12/2016 at 00:26 (2,999 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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Motoejo- you have some very nice cleaners!! All are in gorgeous condition! Is the second photo a Hoover Advance?

Thank you! I enjoy photos!


Post# 341224 , Reply# 102   1/12/2016 at 19:14 (2,998 days old) by motojoejo (MO)        
@Durango159

Thank you!! I'm very picky about my machines from the looks to the pitch the motor puts out when used. That is and isn't a Hoover Advantage. When I bought it, the outside, bag, handle, mostly the motor were in fabulous condition. The plastic base had taken a hit and had a crack, the fan was worn and the lower bearing was going bad. I had found a beat up green convertible at a garage sale for $3 which had torn bag, ruined motor and cracked case. So I took the metal base and surprisingly good shape metal fan and placed the advantage motor with new bearing on the metal base. Attached advantage handle and bag with hood for perfect fit. It's a personal fav.

Post# 354510 , Reply# 103   6/24/2016 at 22:47 (2,834 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
hepa bags

This has definitely been an interesting thread to read. I will start out by saying that I'm a big canister fan, including canisters, central vacuums or backpacks. For some of my canisters such as Miele, Sebo, and my Riccar prima, I use the manufacturer's bags and they are cloth bags. I don't have any allergies, but I think cloth bags are far superior to paper bags in every way. For my Aerus classic, electrolux 1205, Electrolux Olimpia and Perfect c101 and c103, I use the Perfect cloth bags, they are far superior to the Aerus paper bags. My Panasonic mc-cg902 came with a paper bag, I replaced that with a Kenmore Q bag, it fits perfectly. My Electrolux Ultra One classic also takes cloth bags. My central vacuum units also take cloth bags, so no issues there. Several of my backpacks came with paper bags, I replaced those with the Perfect cloth backpack bags, those will fit a variety of backpack vacuums. Unfortunately, I do have a couple of vacuums that only have paper bags available, as far as I know, my Lindhaus hf6 and the Metro vacuum professional canister. Hopefully cloth bags will be available for these at some point.

Post# 354531 , Reply# 104   6/25/2016 at 09:47 (2,833 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Since the appearance of synthetic/cloth bags, I am not that bothered by the lack of ones available for certain vacs I own. Im lucky in a way that the ones I do own can all take cloth bags i.e appear to have bags available. If someone gave me a whole box of free genuine paper dust bags for some of my German vacs, I would still thank them for them.

Post# 354625 , Reply# 105   6/26/2016 at 02:21 (2,833 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp MI)        
Health Effects of Dust...

I generally take Andy's stance on dust building the immune system but I have a personal story that may portray otherwise.

When I was around six years old my mother's Fantom Fury died and she replaced it with a Bissell, and as we all know Bissell's cyclone is certainly not the most efficient. Being quite interested with vacuums at that time as well I helped by beating out the dust from the filter, in the garage, there was quite a cloud of dust. Later I woke up in the middle of the night and could not open my eyes, they were puss-glued shut. As you can imagine it was quite a traumatizing experience for a six year old. I screamed and shouted until my parents came and surveyed the problem and what to do about it. After using a warm washcloth to clear the puss from my eyes they made an emergency appointment to the doctor next morning. Turns out I had pink eye.

Considering that about a year later I ended up spraying small engine starting fluid(ether) into my eyes I'm surprised I don't need glasses.


Post# 354630 , Reply# 106   6/26/2016 at 08:23 (2,832 days old) by cuffs054 (monticello, ga)        

Comemon, anybody who watches TV knows that the Shark is the only vacuum that doesn't poop dust back into the air. It's like a vacuum miracle!

Post# 354720 , Reply# 107   6/27/2016 at 11:04 (2,831 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
striking a balance

When it comes to dust exposure, I take a middle approach. I certainly don't go out of my way to breathe dust, on the other hand, I don't try to live in a bubble either. For example, my Miele vacuum could be upgraded to a Hepa exhaust filter, but I see no need to do that, the standard exhaust filter suffices. The main reason I like the cloth bags is because they allow better airflow and don't seem to break as easily. If they provide better filtration, fine, it's an added benefit.

Post# 359273 , Reply# 108   9/13/2016 at 22:53 (2,753 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
Something to add here

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Personally, I don't have any asthma or allergies but I really don't like the smell of dirt. I also rather keep my vacuums clean, neat, and last as long as possible. When I used paper bags before, about once a year I would take apart a machine to clean any dust that escaped from inside the bag, I didn't mind at first but then later it gets annoying to do. HEPA is definitely for me because as a woodworker, saw dust clogs up very fast, not only that but I find it leaks worse than just regular dust. And more importantly, I definitely don't want toxic saw dust to leak from paper bags such as Poison Walnut, Fir, Makore, etc. because I rather not get either skin or eye infection in my own house.

I think the very best way to get rid of any dust from any home would be a bagged central vacuum. Let's take a Simplicity or a Riccar for example, all the dust you would vacuum up would be taken OUT of your house and into the unit of either the garage or the basement and into the HEPA bag. What's even better is adding exhaust pipes so all of the dust would be taken OUT of your home indefinitely. And the rain would later filter the air of all you have vacuumed up.



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