Thread Number: 30688
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
UK WHICH "Independent" Test Ratings/Reliability |
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Post# 339652   12/20/2015 at 11:19 (3,020 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Taken from Which Magazine 2015. No surprises despite obvious bias to the Miele brand yet again...
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Post# 339653 , Reply# 1   12/20/2015 at 11:20 (3,020 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 339656 , Reply# 2   12/20/2015 at 11:40 (3,020 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Test findings
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Post# 339657 , Reply# 3   12/20/2015 at 11:46 (3,020 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 339658 , Reply# 4   12/20/2015 at 11:52 (3,020 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 339660 , Reply# 5   12/20/2015 at 12:19 (3,020 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 339662 , Reply# 6   12/20/2015 at 12:35 (3,020 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 339663 , Reply# 7   12/20/2015 at 12:35 (3,020 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 339664 , Reply# 8   12/20/2015 at 12:37 (3,020 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 339672 , Reply# 9   12/20/2015 at 13:16 (3,020 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Im on and off with Which. They're good with some of their other brands/testing but then they also have wide discrepancies with the info they care to share about their vacuums. Same model Miele vacs which have a hugely different test score because of a filter upgrade between the machines. Doesn't make sense. Or for the fact that they continually promote brands or models that are out with the consumer's reach.
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Post# 339689 , Reply# 10   12/20/2015 at 15:07 (3,020 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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I have had 2 Mieles, S6 cylinder and an S7 and found the cylinder to be like any other straight suction cylinder I have sued. Sure, it is quiet and quite well made but thats it. I found the S7 to be horrible to be honest. I bunny hopped over my shag thick carpets and the build quality quite patchy and cheap in places. I tried changing the belt once and it basically fell to pieces. So many pieces of plastic you have to put back.
Not a patch on SEBO in terms of performance, quality or value. I don't go by Which? ratings anyway. |
Post# 339691 , Reply# 11   12/20/2015 at 15:16 (3,020 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 339693 , Reply# 12   12/20/2015 at 15:40 (3,020 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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I kind of agree. The S5/c2 complete and s8/c3 cleaners are superior to Sebo cylinders but the s6/c2 compact and s2/c1 aren't as good. But then again, that is reflected in the price - the latter ranges are considerably cheaper than all of the other mentioned models and all of the Sebo cylinders.
Agree about the Sebo uprights being better though. The S7/U1 is too big, heavy, overly complicated and not that solid when compared with Miele's cylinders. |
Post# 339707 , Reply# 13   12/20/2015 at 18:45 (3,020 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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But if you haven't noticed what SEBO are doing for years on end with Miele, its not as if they are competing with exact machines until probably the arrival of the E Airbelt family, which now offers a 3.5 litre capacity to similar capacity to the S6.
The C series for example had a bigger dust bag capacity to Miele's stable S500 and previous S700 models where the C series was pitched against. Whilst Miele uprated the power, SEBO stuck to their guns with the 1500 watt C2, C3 and associated added PN versions. The K series has a 3 litre dust bag capacity, so it is both smaller on capacity than either the lovely S4 (a favourite model of mine) S6 and even previous models like the S300 series by Miele. Due to customer demand, power was increased from original 1800 watts to 2100 watts over a period of time. Currently the D series by SEBO is bigger than the S8 on size, weight and slightly bigger dust bag capacity, almost twice as much cable and better built. Whereas Miele may well trump SEBO for style, SEBO's newer cylinders in general are far better built in my experience. I've owned equal share of Miele products so I'm not that biased. One of my daily drivers is my Miele S8. I dont know if I would go for a smaller Miele again - the way the bin lids open and bend far too easily isn't worth the money they cost to buy. |
Post# 339732 , Reply# 15   12/21/2015 at 09:47 (3,019 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 339737 , Reply# 16   12/21/2015 at 10:11 (3,019 days old) by purpledefector ()   |   | |
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If which? are biased...where is someone supposed to get a reliable and informed objective assessment? |
Post# 339743 , Reply# 17   12/21/2015 at 10:47 (3,019 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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That is a good point. I wouldn't say Which are biased with every brand or service they test but it just seems Which for the last couple of years have recommended Miele above all else.
There are a few other independents, purpledefector (also welcome if you are new on here) - but online such as The Gadget Show who sometimes show one new vacuum cleaner or many and then the review type companies such as www.trustedreviews.com... and plenty of other review sites. Which? of course are also magazine based so you get that physical copy in the hand even though they are available online. I'd hazard a bet that most collectors will know a lot more info than Which - but it seems a shame that Joe Public isn't aware of the knowledge. Roger's videos on You Tube (ibaisaic) are well worth seeking out and watching. |
Post# 339851 , Reply# 19   12/23/2015 at 04:37 (3,018 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 340004 , Reply# 20   12/27/2015 at 03:55 (3,014 days old) by gibsonlp (Unknown)   |   | |
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That they are more common in the shops |
Post# 340005 , Reply# 21   12/27/2015 at 08:10 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340006 , Reply# 22   12/27/2015 at 08:21 (3,013 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 340007 , Reply# 23   12/27/2015 at 09:32 (3,013 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Alex, what are you talking about? Have you actually read this report? Or indeed, the discussion that followed? Clearly not.
The Sebo was still awarded a Best Buy, scored higher than Miele for reliability and was only 2% behind on carpet performance. The discussion was regarding Which's bias towards Miele, which they've always had and not just on vacuums. For your information, Which? generally rate cylinders higher than uprights and we all know what you think about that. So how about getting your facts right before wading in with your idiotic and senseless remarks. Let's not forget you cry louder than a drag queen with tequila salt in her eye everytime someone says they prefer cylinders over uprights. Or indeed, whenever someone prefers another brand over your beloved out-dated dirty fan Hoovers. |
Post# 340008 , Reply# 24   12/27/2015 at 10:11 (3,013 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 340010 , Reply# 25   12/27/2015 at 11:03 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340011 , Reply# 26   12/27/2015 at 11:06 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Chris, well lets be honest, they didnt get their brand name written in red, so, no, they didnt rate it as an overal best. Not that it means anything anyway, which reports are a load if twaddle and they have no idea what they are talking about.
Sebofan, I have lots of toys, but they are not for children. 😜 |
Post# 340012 , Reply# 27   12/27/2015 at 11:15 (3,013 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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That doesn't mean anything. Look under the "best buy" column. Sebo have 2 best buy awards and came out top for reliability. So like I said, get your facts right. |
Post# 340013 , Reply# 28   12/27/2015 at 11:26 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340014 , Reply# 29   12/27/2015 at 11:38 (3,013 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340015 , Reply# 30   12/27/2015 at 11:49 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340016 , Reply# 31   12/27/2015 at 11:51 (3,013 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The problem with being a bitch Alex is that no one really listens to them. About the only time they're useful is when they're getting slammed on a bed. Even then its about as exciting as a fart in a bag.
In the meantime toddle along to Amazon UK. Look at the following ratings. Personal experience? if the Hoover was that good it would have 5 stars across the board for both Enigma and Purepower models. The only reason you love Hoover's Purepower is because quite simply they don't have any other bagged upright on the market that has lived so bloody long.
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Post# 340017 , Reply# 32   12/27/2015 at 11:57 (3,013 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340018 , Reply# 33   12/27/2015 at 11:58 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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I never said anything about what should of got the highest ratings, nor do I care.
In my experience of modern day cleaners, the best bagged upright on the market is the Miele, the one which rated best and I do own the TOL Miele upright model. It is fantastic far better than any of the other modern bagged uprights I have used but it depends what you can afford. Hoover mean nothing to me now and haven't done since the late 90s. I dont expect anyone to listen to me, if they do then thats great, but I am nothing special and if someone wants to talk to me then that is wonderful. I can be a bitch and I could make someones life a living hell if I wanted to, but generally, I am a very nice person that will always try to make you laugh as I think laughter is key to any relationship. Now, what is this you are talking about slamming someone on a bed??? |
Post# 340019 , Reply# 34   12/27/2015 at 11:59 (3,013 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340020 , Reply# 35   12/27/2015 at 12:04 (3,013 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340021 , Reply# 36   12/27/2015 at 12:04 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340022 , Reply# 37   12/27/2015 at 12:06 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340023 , Reply# 38   12/27/2015 at 12:08 (3,013 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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"..I never said anything about what should of got the highest ratings, nor do I care."
Dont sidetrack the issue - you said personal experience counts above all. Those ratings are from Amazon buyers and now Hoover owners. Given away by the "verified purchase" statements found on Amazon UK. Doh! Since you appear to be the ONLY one who finds whatever you term as a joke, suck it up dear. If you are going to make statements on here without much validity you only get what you deserve. |
Post# 340024 , Reply# 39   12/27/2015 at 12:14 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340025 , Reply# 40   12/27/2015 at 12:21 (3,013 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 340026 , Reply# 41   12/27/2015 at 12:24 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340027 , Reply# 42   12/27/2015 at 12:28 (3,013 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340028 , Reply# 43   12/27/2015 at 12:29 (3,013 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Frankly I dont care. What started as a post about Which reliability has been turned to mud because of your silliness and frankly uncaring attitude to this forum and its members. I know you don't give a shit but some do and it seems a shame that you have to ruin it EVERY TIME with stupid remarks that only you yourself find funny.
If only you finds it funny, then it says a LOT.
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Post# 340029 , Reply# 44   12/27/2015 at 12:47 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340030 , Reply# 45   12/27/2015 at 12:52 (3,013 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 340031 , Reply# 46   12/27/2015 at 12:53 (3,013 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340035 , Reply# 50   12/27/2015 at 13:01 (3,013 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340036 , Reply# 51   12/27/2015 at 13:02 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340037 , Reply# 52   12/27/2015 at 13:05 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340038 , Reply# 53   12/27/2015 at 13:08 (3,013 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 340041 , Reply# 56   12/27/2015 at 13:13 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340044 , Reply# 59   12/27/2015 at 13:30 (3,013 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 340046 , Reply# 60   12/27/2015 at 13:38 (3,013 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 340047 , Reply# 61   12/27/2015 at 13:43 (3,013 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 340052 , Reply# 65   12/27/2015 at 14:10 (3,013 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 340056 , Reply# 68   12/27/2015 at 15:33 (3,013 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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