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does the uk care about deep cleaning? WHAT DO YOU THINK
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Post# 338920   12/9/2015 at 11:49 (3,059 days old) by citroenbx (england)        

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I don't think the uk really care's because some of the best selling vacuums can't deep clean

dyson dc01
numatic henry not the motor head
vax 121
dyson dc08
hoover purepower not the one's from the 90s

tell me what you think


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Post# 338926 , Reply# 1   12/9/2015 at 12:43 (3,059 days old) by Sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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No we a all filthy gits here.

Post# 338937 , Reply# 2   12/9/2015 at 16:17 (3,059 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH)        
Welp, With Everything in Europe Being Smaller

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The dirt must be smaller too, so no need to deep clean. :)

Tiny, lightweight, low airflow vacs are all the rage. I think 100 CFM will be banned, just like all high power usage motors are being eliminated. Hand-held dust-buster like, 20 watt LION battery machines for everyone!

Bill


Post# 338938 , Reply# 3   12/9/2015 at 17:03 (3,059 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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It's important to remember that the rise in popularity of cylinder vacuums in the UK directly correlates with the increase in popularity of laminate and wood floors. You've only listed best sellers from the 1990's onwards. Remember, up until the early 90's, Hoover were the best seller, renowned for their deep cleaning on carpets but not much good for a hard floor. Uprights mostly dominate the market.

The early 90's saw the fashion of carpet washing. Vax, Hoover, Electrolux and Goblin all offered multi-function cleaners which, when used regularly to wash the carpet, would remove the deep down dirt left behind by straight suction cleaning.

The start of the decline of bulky multi function cleavers and the rise of bagless also marks the start of the hard floor phase.

So, in answer to your question, I think we do care about deep cleaning. But as fashions and styles have changed, so have our vacuum sales. Nobody has deep, wall to wall, shag pile in this country anymore, it's all low pile, hard wearing carpet and hard floors.


Post# 338942 , Reply# 4   12/9/2015 at 17:40 (3,059 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Well identified, Chris

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"It's all low pile, hard wearing carpet and hard floors."

Which is why the UK has a ton of steam cleaning mops. Not many around back in the 1980s.


Post# 338943 , Reply# 5   12/9/2015 at 17:50 (3,059 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

At the end of the day we're talking about floors. Potentially always the dirtiest part of any environment. As long as dirt at floor level can stay at floor level and isn't raised, or equally we don't get down to meet it, all should be reasonably well. I care more about surfaces being clean than I do my floor, put it like that. The problem with hard floor is that whilst the lovers of such coverings are praising the virtues of same, they don't realise that their dirt and whatever else is continually airbourne as there's nothing on a hard surface to hold the dirt in place until it can be cleaned away.

In many ways carpets, mats, and rugs act as filters, and as with all filters they get clogged over time. Dry cleaning only serves to remove the bulk of the debris. The carpet holds the rest. That idea may not sit well with some people, but to me I take great comfort in knowing that dirt is being kept out of the air I am breathing.


Post# 338945 , Reply# 6   12/9/2015 at 18:00 (3,059 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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"Well , With Everything in Europe Being Smaller, the dirt must be smaller too"

That has to be the most American sentence I have ever read!


Post# 338955 , Reply# 7   12/9/2015 at 19:49 (3,059 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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I'm not sure the average person, regardless of what continent they're on, grasps the concept of "deep cleaning".




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Post# 338957 , Reply# 8   12/9/2015 at 20:08 (3,059 days old) by wyaple (Pickerington, OH)        
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You do realize that sentence was intended as a joke, right?

Bill


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Post# 338959 , Reply# 9   12/9/2015 at 20:20 (3,059 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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We'd hope it was meant that way, but......

Some of the CRAP that comes out of some fellow-North American's heads, makes one worried ..... and keeps alive those plans to emigrate.

Hey, my passport is up to date.


Post# 338964 , Reply# 10   12/9/2015 at 20:36 (3,059 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Good point, Benny.

Also, parts of England have beautifully warmer regions with homes that have ceiling fans because they have better weather than we Scots! A ceiling fan is great for allowing central heating to circulate in rooms but it is also a terrible system for dirt to get a chance to fly around much faster than it normally does.


Post# 338972 , Reply# 11   12/9/2015 at 22:01 (3,059 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Lol yes I did know you were joking I was just putting it out there haha.

Post# 338992 , Reply# 12   12/10/2015 at 10:04 (3,058 days old) by citroenbx (england)        

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thanks for your comments guys

Post# 339061 , Reply# 13   12/11/2015 at 17:17 (3,057 days old) by godfreys_guy (Melbourne, Australia)        
Australia is interesting too....

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Because we follow the european appliance market more than the American - we have too made a shift towards straight suction and turbo heads - however what is interesting here is that there is a group of people who were exposed through the likes of Electrolux (door to door) and Wertheim to canisters with power brush's and those people will rarely settle for anything less. There is also (from a retail point of view) a swing back towards uprights, driven by Dyson and Shark (prob because the DC54 is a horrific machine).

In Australia there has certainly been a move away from Wall to Wall carpeting towards more hard flooring surfaces - but we still favor plush pile carpets in our home.

Vax has been an interesting development in Australia in recent times as they have introduced around 5 power brush models all retailing under $400 (next cheapest units start around $500/800/1000). They are of course all bagless machines - but that's market driven. Also Miele who when launching their S8 series dropped the power brush, but now with the C3 have launched 2 power brush models at $1199 and $1349 which when compared to the other premiums like Sebo at $1199ish and Sauber at $1599 and $2499 makes the Miele quite a reasonable price point.

Godfreys has also recently launched, and has now sold out until the new year the Vorwerk VK150 - at a price of $2499 bare bones, $3999 complete. Because the thermomix has been such a boom product here - Godfreys are cleverly marketing the Vorwerk as the Thermomix of Vacuums.


Post# 339070 , Reply# 14   12/12/2015 at 00:16 (3,057 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        
WHAT ? !

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"...at a price of $2499 bare bones, $3999 complete"

There are vacuums costing THAT much?


Post# 339076 , Reply# 15   12/12/2015 at 05:18 (3,057 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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delaneymeegan, that's Australian dollars. 3999 AUD is about 2800 USD.

Post# 339077 , Reply# 16   12/12/2015 at 06:40 (3,057 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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That makes all the difference then :-)

Post# 339080 , Reply# 17   12/12/2015 at 08:44 (3,056 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Paul, $2800 USD is not an uncommon amount to pay for very high end cleaners - Rainbow, Kirby, Filter Queen, Aerus and (I think - correct me if I'm wrong folks) Riccar vacuums can all retail for up to that amount.

Whilst it's almost unheard of the in the UK to pay anything over about £600 tops ($910 USD) vacuums in the US, especially high end vacuums, can retail for a lot more.


Post# 339082 , Reply# 18   12/12/2015 at 09:20 (3,056 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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Yes I know. There's one born every minute! :-)

Post# 339086 , Reply# 19   12/12/2015 at 09:53 (3,056 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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OK, ... OK, ok, ok. right, I mean there is the ASKING PRICE, but no body ACTUALLY pays $3000 to $4000 for a vacuum.................. do they?

I'm just a cheap bastard because, there is no way in HELL I would spend money like that on a single vacuum.

The most I ever spent on a brand, spankin' new vac was in 1993 and that was for the last metal Electrolux, the Ultralux Classic, AND it was also the last one the dealer had. So I got the last of the last. (At that time I had no idea of the significance of that, I just felt like a king with my new lux) I spent like $675. No regrets, wish I still had it, though I've since found a replacement at a fraction of the cost.

In about 1985, I threw money down the drain on a NEW, cool looking , TOL, gray Hoover Dimension 1000. They were nice and quiet, but HEAVY and big. I think I spent upwards of $400 +/-100 ? Fun for a week, but....

Before that I bought, as a kid so my parents bought it for me, a 1980 Sears Best TOL canister vac, then a 1982 TOL Sears Best canister vac, then another Sears Best TOL (variable speed w/wand power switch) canister from 1984. Each costing about $365, or less. No regrets. Wish I had them back.

Other than a few other cheaper, new machines in the $50 to $150 price range, everything else has been used and either came from the curb, Goodwill, or similar. I've owned at least 100 vacs in my life. Wish I had them all back.


But it's just jaw dropping, some of the ridiculous prices posted. One can buy a like new Kirby, Rainbow, Filter Queen, and others for ..... $50, $100, maybe $150 on line. It may, or may Not need a simple clean up/wipe down and polish, but, whatever.

Some people don't know how to do that, I suppose, and have money to burn, so.....


Post# 339088 , Reply# 20   12/12/2015 at 10:02 (3,056 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Some people are led by marketing promises such as quietness, deep cleaning and so forth too.

Same with buying any appliance I would imagine.



Post# 339089 , Reply# 21   12/12/2015 at 10:03 (3,056 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        
Chris/Turbo500

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You state "...Whilst it's almost unheard of the in the UK to pay anything over about £600 tops ($910 USD)..."

I'm just curious, are you saying people would just not go for paying anything more, or are you saying there is no stock or inventory available for people to buy?

Do you have central vacs in the UK?


Post# 339095 , Reply# 22   12/12/2015 at 11:20 (3,056 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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My Sebo X4 cost just over £200 and my Miele C3 cost £150. Both do a fantastic job.
There's no need to pay more.

The prices in the US are ridiculous!


Post# 339096 , Reply# 23   12/12/2015 at 11:21 (3,056 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
are you saying people would just not go for paying anything

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Precisely that. The prospect of paying anything over £500 for a vacuum in this country is largely unheard of, with the exception of Kirby and other D2D sale vacs, but even those are cheaper to buy here and are no where near as popular as they are in the US.

The general public would likely laugh you out the door for paying such prices.

The most expensive vacuum currently available on the UK market is the Dyson Cinetic upright at £459.99/$700.15 and even that is considered very expensive.

I have never spent more than £200/$305 on a brand new vacuum and my mother was hesitant to spend over half of that.

 

And no, we don't have central vacs in the UK. I think you can get them, but I've never seen one in person and never actually known of anyone who has one. They'd be very difficult to fit in UK homes.



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Post# 339097 , Reply# 24   12/12/2015 at 11:32 (3,056 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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the cheapest vacuum I could find was this. Argos Value cheapo bagged cylinder thing. Very budget store brand. £26.99/$41.



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Post# 339100 , Reply# 25   12/12/2015 at 12:04 (3,056 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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Wow, that's so cool.  Briton's have the money to spend, but they won't because it doesn't make sense.

 

(North) American's may or may not, have the money to spend, but they apparently will buy over priced vacuums.

 

I was at a vac store the other day and saw Miel's, all in a line.  They all look the same, but in different colors.  Like they're trying to say: 'the decision isn't should you buy a Miel, but rather what color should it be?'

I seem to remember prices in the $600+ range.  I didn't give it much thought, but am now intriqued. 

 

I didn't think central vacs would be big.  Briton's homes tend to have a lot of concrete walls, which are difficult to run pipes.  Central vacs are not a really good idea anyway.  It's not like you're missing anything.   My parents install central vac in their newly built home 30 years ago, and its really been a hassle.  They don't even use it anymore.

 

A quick glance a Miel prices.


Post# 339101 , Reply# 26   12/12/2015 at 12:05 (3,056 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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Sebo quick glance.


Post# 339102 , Reply# 27   12/12/2015 at 12:12 (3,056 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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Similar cheap U.S. vac. 

Frankly, I like Bissell.  I have several floor care products from them that I haven't paid much money for, and they work very good.

 

 


Post# 339105 , Reply# 28   12/12/2015 at 14:13 (3,056 days old) by Mike81 ()        

Finland Doesn't care about deep cleaning. We don't have any uprights for sale. Only is Kirby, but it's very rare someone to own a Kirby.
So we have two canister vacuums with full-size powerhead. Those are Electrolux UltraOne QUATTRO and Miele Complete C3 Electro Ecoline. Both cost 499€.

So as a vacuum cleaner enthusiasts this is a ridiculous situation.


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Post# 339137 , Reply# 29   12/13/2015 at 00:20 (3,056 days old) by defleppard11 ()        
deep cleaning in europe

This was an interesting thread. Just from poking around in the European market, I found very few cylinder vacs with power nozzles supplied by the electrical mains. Most power nozzles for cylinders were air driven. I must say that I'm not a big fan of the smiley faces on the Numatics, like Henry or Hetty. I don't recall the exact model but I saw a Numatic with a smiley face in the Generator Hostel,where I stayed, in Camden London, during my 2010 holiday.

Post# 339149 , Reply# 30   12/13/2015 at 03:17 (3,056 days old) by citroenbx (england)        

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hi there I like Defleppard too glad I 80s/90s music all the way

Post# 339163 , Reply# 31   12/13/2015 at 13:26 (3,055 days old) by reo580 (Holland, Michigan)        
Watch Obsessive Compulsive Cleaners

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Does the UK care about Cleaning?

I'd say watch the show Obsessive Cleaners / Obsessive Compulsive Cleaners- my favorite UK show!!!
I'd say they do.


Post# 339171 , Reply# 32   12/13/2015 at 14:50 (3,055 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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That show is far from an accurate representation of British people. And as the intro on the show says, the most of us aren't that clean.

I have high standards but nowhere near the level of the people on that program. Most of their cleaning compulsions don't make any sense anyway.


Post# 339209 , Reply# 33   12/13/2015 at 17:58 (3,055 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        
Does the UK not care about deep cleaning?

Perhaps some people don't know? Some people on OCC use straight suction machines. Think about all the deep-down dirt and grit in their carpets and rugs lurking in there, their vacuums have no agitation whatsoever. I'm sure they care, but they will have to be informed.

Post# 339234 , Reply# 34   12/14/2015 at 03:16 (3,055 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

That TV show is nothing but an attempt to get two people who bother suffer with the same illness, albeit at different ends of the scale, to make some cheap veiwing which benefits neither of them.

OCD sufferers who have cleaning compulsions are in the minority when compared to the remainder of those with the condition. They neither represent their fellows sufferers nor the UK population.


Post# 339235 , Reply# 35   12/14/2015 at 03:23 (3,055 days old) by godfreys_guy (Melbourne, Australia)        
Do people really buy $3999 vacuums...

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Yep, Godfreys has already all but sold out of its first shipment of Vorwerk Kobold VK150s and there is a waiting list til mid jan.

The fact is, that is what it costs -do you want it? yes then hand over the money.


Post# 339247 , Reply# 36   12/14/2015 at 10:06 (3,054 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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This ?

Post# 339250 , Reply# 37   12/14/2015 at 10:14 (3,054 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here)        

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The canister looks kind of scary. Apparently eats dogs.


Post# 339269 , Reply# 38   12/14/2015 at 11:57 (3,054 days old) by pinkge (Indianapolis,Indiana)        
Deep cleaning...

I'd say,deep cleaning would be the same in England or the USA.One must realize their
floors are hardwood,tile and and the carpeting is very flatweave.Not like our plush's shag's.Most have nice area rugs.
I know for me my home is all parquet and the one room has wall to wall very short naped berber.So,deep cleaning is a canister straight suction Pink GE easy roll around.And yes,it deep cleans very well.So,in short deep cleaning would be the same in country.

Michael



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