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Thread Number: 30397
/ Tag: Conventions, Mini-Meets, Parties
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Post# 337019 , Reply# 1 11/6/2015 at 20:30 (3,091 days old) by myvacsrock  (USA) |
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Speaking from experience... Do whatever you wish, kids, but be aware of these people and shows. I've had enough back and forth with shows for an army. Make sure you know what you're getting yourself into. | ||
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Post# 337035 , Reply# 2 11/7/2015 at 00:56 (3,090 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Shouldn't this be in the "Junior" section? | ||
| Post# 337053 , Reply# 3 11/7/2015 at 13:21 (3,090 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 337062 , Reply# 5 11/7/2015 at 17:23 (3,090 days old) by vintagevaclover (Athens, GA) | ||
MyVacsRock, | ||
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Post# 337073 , Reply# 6 11/7/2015 at 22:57 (3,089 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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One must always be careful getting involved in such projects. EVERYONE has an agenda. We had documentary people follow us around at a convention. We never really saw a finished product. Then, some TV folks could take a young member into another meeting room , tape them, interview them, etc... during OUR convention. They'll NEVER even mention the group that started it all for the young collector. Then, of course, what "new" story could come out of it? For example: a child is infatuated with the family vacuum, the neighbors' vac, etc... They take them apart, rebuild, restore, collect, etc. It's the same old story over and over again. Anyone could get huffy and exclaim, "He stole my story". What story? That's almost everyone's story. So, just be careful. John | ||
| Post# 337074 , Reply# 7 11/7/2015 at 23:06 (3,089 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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| Post# 337084 , Reply# 8 11/8/2015 at 07:37 (3,089 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
Maybe we could give the producers the benefit of the doubt? As long as the collectors' parents are monitoring the process from beginning to end, they can make sure that any restrictions they want is on the release form. The Discovery Channel is a pretty legitimate production house and certainly if the video of a young vacuum collector is going on the Youth version of the channel, I can guarantee that the youth will be shown in the best, most educational and respectful light possible. The parents just have to monitor the process from start to finish.
I for one would have been ecstatic as a kid to see another young person on TV fascinated by vacuum cleaners. This is an opportunity to help out so many families who have young cleaner-philes in their home. | ||
| Post# 337087 , Reply# 9 11/8/2015 at 10:33 (3,089 days old) by bnsd60m9200 (Akron OH) | ||
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| Post# 337094 , Reply# 10 11/8/2015 at 14:18 (3,089 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
I agree with the concerns expressed above. And I would absolutely NOT trust TLC, they have certainly been involved with their fair share of scandalous productions that have later been cancelled. I'm sure we all remember "Honey Boo Boo" & "19 Kids & Counting", with the scandal surrounding Josh Duggar.
My one main concern, though, is the impact it will have on the child. Let's not forget, Vacuum Collecting certainly isn't a conventional hobby, & one that most other kids think is odd & strange. If you put a child on a TV show like this & showcase them with a hobby like collecting vacuums, it does have the potential to ostracize & isolate a child from their peers, keep them from making new friends & cause them to lose existing friends. Now, is that what we REALLY want for our forum's youth members? I think not. Perhaps the best way for a child to share in this hobby is to participate in a online forum, such as here on Vacuumland & Abbysguide. Rob Rob | ||
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Post# 337120 , Reply# 11 11/8/2015 at 22:37 (3,089 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Editing can be very good, or not so ... The people who followed us were trying to get get Bill, the Kirby guy, and me to get into an argument: Hoover vs Kirby. We respect each other and would never do that. Some kids get on these shows and are fine. Some get on them and become spoiled brats.... I'd never advise not to do this. I'd just echo... be careful.
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| Post# 337134 , Reply# 12 11/9/2015 at 09:48 (3,088 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
More than a decade ago, the VCCC (I was a member at that time) at our Louisville convention, were followed for three days by CBS Sunday Morning News (I love liberal bias news shows). They edited it beautifully, really made the old Club look great. Three days edited down to 8 minutes of fun. It was the first time a Dyson was shown on American television (I brought my Dyson collection - no one in America had ever seen one before). The producers did an amazing job showcasing the old Club without making fun of it.
When the Vacuum Cleaner Museum opened, a number of television shows filmed me and the Museum, and edited it for news programs. All did a great job without the innuendo and snickering that it so easily could have delved into. I've not had any bad experiences with documentaries and television shows - but then again - I was an adult when they were filmed. | ||
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Post# 337138 , Reply# 13 11/9/2015 at 13:14 (3,088 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles) |
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~ Quite a few years ago, some time in the mid-1990s, I was contacted by national TV show that highlighted collectors of unusual stuff. They wanted to come here and interview me and take videos of my collection. I agreed to do so, then spent an entire day pulling out the most interesting machines and getting the place ready. The crew got here late afternoon and stayed well into the evening, interviewing me and getting B-roll of my machines. When the show finally aired, the segment on me lasted about a minute and consisted mostly of the B-roll, interspersed with quick shots of me running some of the machines in fast-motion -- which made me look ridiculous. I've also seen most, if not all, of the shows done on other collectors, children and adults alike. Generally speaking, the subjects of these shows are made to look odd, strange, eccentric and peculiar. But not in a fun or endearing way, but in a way of poking fun at us, often peppering the interview with snide comments about "sucking and blowing." Most of us have had the experience of telling someone we collect vacuum cleaners and getting a blank stare and a demeaning response like "...Why?..." --- or, again, comments loaded with sexual innuendo. I concur with the "No Way!" vote. | ||
| Post# 337158 , Reply# 14 11/9/2015 at 18:15 (3,088 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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Post# 337193 , Reply# 15 11/10/2015 at 02:27 (3,087 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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STAY AWAY!!! | ||
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Post# 337206 , Reply# 16 11/10/2015 at 07:54 (3,087 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree) |
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Hasn't there already been enough............ on TV about child vacuum collectors already???? Nothing really new here. | ||
| Post# 337223 , Reply# 17 11/10/2015 at 10:13 (3,087 days old) by dirtmaster37 (Ypsilanti, Michigan USA) | ||
My "outtake" as well....
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I was asked many years back to be part of one of the "shows" that Kyle was a part of. I drove to his house, and saw a circus in place of cameras, close-ups and come-ons. I and another collector were "interviewed" by these people, and were asked all sorts of inane, foolish questions like...."do you guys RACE your vacuums"?? Do you "SLEEP" with you vacuums?? I knew right then and there things were NOT going to be as it seemed to originally be. WHich was a interest piece on a young collector and a few friends who shared the same interests. Throughout my "segment" of the filming, I kept putting things into proper perspective, and wouldn't "give them" anything they were looking to twist, or mis-inform about. In fact I could see the producers getting visibly upset with me, that I indeed, wasn't a freak, a simpleton, or for that matter and for lack of a better word a "mentally retarded". The same questions were asked of the other collector as well, and he too gave them NOTHING. We had a big discussion about it all after our "segments were filmed"... They went on to shoot hours of film on Kyle, and to be honest, very little of it was based on fact, or how the scenes actually played out. The one that upset me the most was their misdirection on the Penncrest Cord Reel convertible. It never happened the way that it was broadcast. I was there at the bottom of the stairs WATCHING the whole thing unfold. They really made a person I consider a good friend look silly, and slow-child-playing like.... When the piece aired, I came back down to watch it with he and his family...I never appeared ONCE...even tho they interviewed me for nearly an hour. Same with the other collector. However, any single thing they could find to twist about Kyle.. you can be SURE that they did so. Caauuttioon to the wind anyone who thinks of doing this.... Not all rainbow and lollipops... Chad | ||
| Post# 337224 , Reply# 18 11/10/2015 at 10:29 (3,087 days old) by dirtmaster37 (Ypsilanti, Michigan USA) | ||
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Oh yes and one other thing....
I was there for nearly three hours and definitely was filmed, as they showed me the activities on a small monitoring screen after.....so SOMEWHERE in CBS's massive vault of what-not, I sit in perpetuity on film, talking about history and fact..... In that entire time, we ALL mentioned the Vacuum Cleaner Colector Club, AND Vacuumland more than I can count, referring to you all; none more than Kyle.
It was all edited out/not used. So in the reference that "everyone has their agenda"... your quite right. But not in the way one may mean it. CBS had their agenda that day....they weren't looking to expose anything of value or truth, and certainly not a whole club. They were about making someone look foolish, undercut with glimpses of how things ACTUALLY are in our gatherings big and small. No one understands this more than Kyle, them making him look positively delayed. Believe me, one is much better off having little publicity, than a LOT of bad... Thats my final thought on this... Chad | ||
| Post# 337255 , Reply# 19 11/10/2015 at 16:15 (3,087 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here) | ||
 A lot of good points about certain organizations using our hobbies to fill their time slot and agenda. It's important to remember that on a scale the size of television, it isn't personal. Always go into a media event having a goal in mind. It's just like this Donald trump cartoon. He had a goal for using the media to accomplish a set goal. Frankly I think he's done good. I'm wondering how one would control the interview ahead of time so that one would know the questions that would be asked. Also, as far as editing. Controlling what will be edited out. The television media can be good, in that it can bring attention to a subject matter and that can affect change. Sometimes, it affects change in a good way for society, at the expense of a person or individual that is currently there to serve that very cause. Think of people who were outed in the 80s for having Aids. Rock Hudson for example, I'm sure he didn't want his reputation tainted, but it served a greater good, for the benefit of society, and by recognizing gay people as real. I think the creepiest thing in this thread is that the producers want to talk with children. ? | ||
| Post# 337265 , Reply# 20 11/10/2015 at 17:15 (3,087 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 337310 , Reply# 21 11/11/2015 at 12:23 (3,086 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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That's exactly correct. Adults with unusual collections are everywhere. Children with unusual collections are not. Plus, child collectors tend to think they 'know it all' and are very vocal about their viewpoint - even if it is incorrect. They sometimes come off as somewhat 'touched' in a way. This is exactly the angle that producers are looking to exploit.
I know all about child vacuum collectors. Remember they come to the Vacuum Cleaner Museum all the time. We have one 12 year old collector who has his birthday party for the past two years in the 1950's room of the Museum. There is hardly a week go by where I don't meet some parent who tells me his 4 or 5 year old little boy (always a boy) is in love (their words) with vacuums. The parents indulge them with a trip to the Vacuum Cleaner Museum. A good number of the kids have something that makes them 'not quite right'. Some cannot stand the sound of the machines, but simply want to push them across the floor. Others have a VERY short attention span - to the point that they lose interest in a particular machine they are trying out - within moments of turning it on. The parents are usually very happy though, that their child got to go somewhere there are LOTS of cleaners, and someone who will take the time to talk vacuums with their kid. My favorites are the ones who are actually in awe of the machines, who listen to me explain them, who are excited to turn them on, and want to learn about them. I always send them home with owners manuals, bags, parts, etc. Many times I've given them one of the duplicate cleaners upstairs in the Mezzanine. All in all, I have tons of thank you cards from the parents and the children, because in some way, they get to see that collecting vacuums can be a fun and interesting hobby, it's not 'stupid' or 'weird', and if their child really continues to love vacs, they are encouraged to send their child to engineering school so they can change vacuums for the better in their adult life. | ||
| Post# 337342 , Reply# 22 11/11/2015 at 19:21 (3,086 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here) | ||
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WHAT ? Ah, What? There is an actual museum of vacuums (I can understand this) where parents bring their children as if it were a playground (This I'm puzzled and enlightened, and a whole group of emotions) What? When we say these kids are collecting vacs, are we talking about current models, or mid last century, increasingly rare models, or century old and obscure materials? I'm just.... WHAT? Like this is a right of passage. lol. And why vacuums? Why not garbage disposals, typewriters, adding machines, washing machines, old furnaces, lawnmowers from the 1960s? I saw an alarm clock from 1980 in an antique store recently. Why not that? What? | ||
| Post# 337351 , Reply# 23 11/11/2015 at 22:36 (3,086 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 337355 , Reply# 24 11/11/2015 at 23:56 (3,085 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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| Post# 337359 , Reply# 25 11/12/2015 at 00:33 (3,085 days old) by delaneymeegan (Mary Richards lived here) | ||
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Even though I've collected vacs since I was a teen, 30 years ago, I never really thought that was a big deal because the B-I-G deal was collecting washers, dryers, dishwashers, refrigerators, which literally take up a large amount of floor space. So I'm recently intrigued with the Vac collectors. I'm finding out about the Vac Museum, I've seen vids on YT and to find out there are kids as young as 7 with considerably large collections. WOW ! It's like cool, but ... disappointing, and .... worrisome, and interesting, and.... Did we ever establish what area code 867-5309 is in? I'm guessing L.A. so 213, 818, 661, or 747? I want to call Tommy and find out if Jenny ported her number to a Smartphone. In like 1982, they played this song all the time and my bitchy little cousin ~Jeanie~(weanie) and I agreed we hated it. CLICK HERE TO GO TO delaneymeegan's LINK | ||
| Post# 337362 , Reply# 26 11/12/2015 at 01:30 (3,085 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.) | ||
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| Post# 337372 , Reply# 28 11/12/2015 at 10:07 (3,085 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
When I drive along the country back roads I see all those items (washer/dryers, refrigerators, deep freezers, dish washers, husks of old cars, campers/trailers . . . oh I'm sorry I didn't know that was your home, school buses) in the yards of people. It's nice they share their collections right in the open so everyone can enjoy! Not going to mention what was swinging on the front porch . . . LOL
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| Post# 337383 , Reply# 29 11/12/2015 at 14:59 (3,085 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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As far as the kid's collections - they can be quite large. The 12 year old who has his entire family drive 4 hours so his birthday party can be in the 1950's room of the Vacuum Cleaner Museum, has about 60 machines I believe. I gave him a Kirby Omega one year, and with his birthday money he bought a brand new Simplicity Wonder canister last year.
Most of the little kids (6, 7, or 8 years old) have vacs they've been given by family members, or machines they talked their parents into buying for them (from thrift stores, etc.) One kid, 6 years old, wanted a Windsor Sensor so bad. Just so happened I had one that I sold his mom for $100 (a good price). Turns out he wanted one because he saw one at the hotel they stayed at, talked to the maid about it, and decided that would be his next machine. Some of these kids are really shy, and others are really NOT shy about what they want. MOST only know modern vacuums, almost all love Sharks and Dysons (but they don't know any better yet). So that's what the Museum does. It exposes them to all kinds of vacs they will probably never see again. I take time to shown them the REALLY COOL machines of the past such as the Lux LX, the Rexair, the Air-Way Twin Motor upright, etc. As a former child collector myself, I see myself in "SOME" of them so I take as much time as I need with them. Some of the parents have been joys - the kind of parents we ALL would have wanted. A few times, the parents let the kid run wild - to which I put my foot down immediately. After all, we cannot call up Hoover in China and ask them for a new part for a 1926 model 700. | ||
| Post# 337391 , Reply# 30 11/12/2015 at 15:50 (3,085 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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Nice try, Calem! I've been dodging that number ever since I got it off the wall!
"But they don't know better yet", love it lol! Show them the light! We definitely can't call Hoover for a 1926 700, but it would be fun to hear their confusion While I hope you don't, do you have any museum horror stories? | ||
| Post# 337603 , Reply# 31 11/16/2015 at 20:35 (3,081 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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Or U can call The Time at 777-9311 | ||
| Post# 337627 , Reply# 32 11/17/2015 at 09:29 (3,080 days old) by s31463221 (Frenchburg, KY) | ||
Reply #30
Super-Sweeper, a few years ago, I contacted Hoover via email regarding a Model 300 Special I had. Now, I knew good and well they wouldn't know a thing about what I was referring to, but I wanted to have a little fun anyway. The person who responded to me was very nice, but he explained that they didn't have records going back that far on the machines, but (I suppose as a consolation prize) he did email me a copy of a Model 31 Convertible manual! Oh well, got to have a little fun when you can!
I too was a kid collector, in fact my first machine was a late 70's Electrolux Super J. I absolutely wore that old vacuum out, in fact, I was using it when the motor locked up on me and it began belching out smoke all over the place! When it stopped smoking, and my nerves settled from the surprise, I ended up sitting down with some tools and completely dismantling that cleaner....I wish I could say I was able to put it back together, but I was little at that point so it didn't happen, BUT it gave me an insight into just how those things worked, and a desire to continue collecting and repairing them. | ||
| Post# 337629 , Reply# 33 11/17/2015 at 10:25 (3,080 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
Too bad you didn't contact the Hoover Historical Center, as they would have known all about the model 300, since it was a 'special' Hoover.
This is the problem many collectors have, not knowing who to contact with a question. In fact that's how the VCCC was created. In 1980 I went to the Historical Center, and in late 81 John Lucia contacted Hoover about models 150, and 700. Hoover had no information, or so they told John, so Stacy Krammes, the director of the Historical center sent John's letter to me. The interesting thing here, was that the data I sent John came from the paperwork Stacy gave me in 1980. That was the connection with John Lucia, and more important, I had a person to share my information with. As I've stated several times, it was because of our sharing data that we met in the September 0f 82, and went to Hoover together. And the result of course was the birth of the VCCC. The point is that in most cases the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. Another factor is that most vacuum cleaner companies back then were not interested in history, they were interested only in the next sale. In fact, Hoover was the only company who took us seriously. | ||
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