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Thread Number: 29624
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
I Hate These "No Loss of Suction" Claims |
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| Post# 330385 7/28/2015 at 22:57 (3,188 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
So I'm new here by the way, I'll introduce myself later and I'll later show you guys what I've been seeing at my thrift store recently.
I was givin a Shark Navigator lift away tonight by my mom's boss because his wife was going to throw it out cause she said it doesn't work anymore. Looked at it and turns out that it was clogged on the hose and clogged the filters. I really hate these features on vacuums in department stores because we all know every vacuum can clog and there's no way and never there will be a vacuum in department stores that will never loose suction. It makes me sick!!!!! This shows what came out of the hose assembly and I forgot to take pics of the clogged filters which I already cleaned unfortunately
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| Post# 330389 , Reply# 1 7/28/2015 at 23:51 (3,188 days old) by vacuumfreak95 (Aransas Pass, Tx) | ||
Bagless is a dirty word. 
Any and ALL Bagless vacuums will be disgusting, from washing filters to emptying the dust bin. Any machine I use regularly to clean my house will use a bag, preferably a cloth HEPA bag. I also prefer direct air vacuum cleaners, so much air flow and carpet cleaning ability AND they don't clog. Or it's very rare that one does.
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| Post# 330390 , Reply# 2 7/29/2015 at 00:41 (3,188 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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Even with a full bag...
I picked up a Dirt devil featherlite (direct air model) from a thrift store not too long ago and when I looked over it, it had a rock solid full bag in it. When I got to test it before buying, I was amazed of how much air flow it still had to suck up a few crumb pieces off the floor. Just like sucking up a card board paper towel roll.
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| Post# 330408 , Reply# 4 7/29/2015 at 09:54 (3,187 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 330410 , Reply# 5 7/29/2015 at 10:00 (3,187 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
Bagless cyclonic vacuums were a solution to a problem that never existed and that was only created by Dyson and (in this country at least) his clever marketing tactic. Before Dyson came along, nobody thought twice about replacing a vacuum bag. We just got on with it, without complaint.
I've never used a bagged vacuum that loses suction so much that it hinders the performance. Bagged is more convenient, more hygenic and due to being a much simpiler design, bagged vacuums tend to be more reliable. Plus, lets not forget that the "no loss of suction" claim is conditional, based on regular filter maintenance performed by the user. | ||
| Post# 330416 , Reply# 6 7/29/2015 at 10:50 (3,187 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 330423 , Reply# 7 7/29/2015 at 11:47 (3,187 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
Yeah, what Turbo500 said!
I have never understood the appeal of bagless vacuum cleaners. I detest them. I had a girlfriend who lived with me a few years ago, who adamantly insisted we (actually I since she never did any house work) use her plastic, bagless Bissell POS exclusively. Emptying the dirt cup and cleaning the filters was a total pain that took about 20 minutes after each use, compared to about two seconds to replace the bag on my Electrolux 1205 when it gets full. Okay, I'm exaggerating a little. It might have taken 20 seconds to swap out the bag—and I never got covered with dust doing it, which occurred every time I cleaned the Bissell. To top it all off, she wanted to give my Electrolux to her yoga instructor because her Bissell was so much more "efficient" (yeah, in what parallel universe?). That wasn't the reason we parted company but I'm glad I still have my 1205 and I can't say that I particularly miss her or that Bissell.
I really don't understand how the industry manages to convince the public that bagless machines are cleaner, more convenient and more sanitary than bagged. They simply aren't. The manufacturers lie and the public buys both the lie and the vacuums based on that lie. | ||
| Post# 330427 , Reply# 8 7/29/2015 at 12:13 (3,187 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
Manufacturers give the public what they want. People are simply not choosing a bagged vacuum cleaner when buying them. The PUBLIC wants to just go to the garage, and push the button, and hear the dirt go 'plop' into the trash can. They don't want to have to REMEMBER to buy and change bags, when they don't have to.
Disposable bags were not always good. The dust belching out of a Hoover Dial A Matic for instance was horrible. I'm old enough to remember bagged vacuums, and how they stunk and spewed dust. The single ply bags clogged almost immediately. Hoover had some of the worst paper bags, but Hoover didn't care about filtration. At one time, only the Air-Way and Electrolux had efficient bags. I grew up without those filthy nasty stinking bags. My mother had a Rainbow, which didn't ever lose suction and we never stored the dirt in the house, as it was throw out with the water after each use. We put the Rainbow away as clean as our dishes. Modern bagged cleaners are different only in the fact they use HEPA bags and don't belch dust. You still have to buy them (and throw $5 in the trash with each Miele bag) and change them. They still stink of their collected dirt. But at least they keep the inside of the vacuum clean - something bags never used to do. | ||
| Post# 330466 , Reply# 10 7/29/2015 at 16:02 (3,187 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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One of these days Rainbow is going to sue hell out of James Dyson for all his claims of no loss of suction, im not a big Rainbow guy, but they ARE the only machine that doesent lose suction..but more importantly it does not lose airflow. | ||
| Post# 330505 , Reply# 12 7/29/2015 at 19:32 (3,187 days old) by charleskirby66 (Manteca, CA) | ||
Shark Rotator Professional Lift-Away
After getting my Kirby Ultimate G Diamond Edition, I gave my Mom my Shark Rotator Professional Lift-Away. It was good to me while I saved up for my first-ever Kirby, but it was not ideal. It did clog and it did lose suction. I had it for a mere 6 months and had to clean filters multiple times, even had to wash one of the filters and let it air dry for TWO DAYS. That was not cool!
Now that Mom is using the Shark, it clogs with hair all the time. It can't even pick up crumbs off the floor unless it's taken apart and cleaned up each time. Yuck! Give me Kirby any day! | ||
| Post# 330507 , Reply# 13 7/29/2015 at 19:53 (3,187 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 330509 , Reply# 14 7/29/2015 at 20:16 (3,187 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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I'll just stick to my good ol' Electrolux 1205 or Rainbow D2 | ||
| Post# 330510 , Reply# 15 7/29/2015 at 20:37 (3,187 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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It was mostly clogged with some popcorn seeds, hair, and some sewing string that curled up in the hose. Plus some fine dust in the filters but not as much as if the filters was never washed before. Funny after I told the wife about the problem with this, she went mad saying: "They say on TV it never losses suction, that's why I bought it. I HATE THIS THING!!!"
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| Post# 330534 , Reply# 18 7/30/2015 at 04:48 (3,187 days old) by citroenbx (england) | ||
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Post# 330540 , Reply# 19 7/30/2015 at 09:32 (3,186 days old) by n0oxy  (Saint Louis Missouri, United States) |
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water filtration I have never used a rainbow or other water based filtration vacuum, but I would think, it would still have one issue that bagless vacuums have. When you dump out the water, you still need to clean the bin out, because chances are dumping the water will not remove all the hair and other dirt from the bottom. With a bagged vacuum, you don't have to deal with that. | ||
| Post# 330542 , Reply# 20 7/30/2015 at 09:38 (3,186 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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You don't have to 'wash' out the Rainbow basin, just rinse it like a cereal bowl. You don't even have to dry it, just don't put the motor unit back on top. I've always emptied the Rainbow in the commode. So the tub is right there to fill the basin with rinse water, and empty it into the commode too. All the dirt is out of the house and the Rainbow doesn't have to be stored with dirt in it or on it.
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| Post# 330551 , Reply# 21 7/30/2015 at 11:46 (3,186 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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I think bagged and bagless both got there disadvantages but it come down to personal preference. And I do quite like shark but I've never liked the way they said never loses suction cuz that's not true it might not lose suction for a few months But not never.
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| Post# 330554 , Reply# 22 7/30/2015 at 12:21 (3,186 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
There are outlandish claims by many brands who both produce bagless and bagged vacs.
The major difference here is that with a bagless vac, consumers have been brainwashed and swayed away from the carpet cleaning performance to worrying about how dust is captured, how it is contained and filter maintenance. | ||
| Post# 330556 , Reply# 23 7/30/2015 at 12:44 (3,186 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 330558 , Reply# 24 7/30/2015 at 12:58 (3,186 days old) by Dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 330561 , Reply# 25 7/30/2015 at 13:25 (3,186 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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I am talking about shark vacuums not dyson | ||
| Post# 330562 , Reply# 26 7/30/2015 at 13:33 (3,186 days old) by Dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 330564 , Reply# 27 7/30/2015 at 14:00 (3,186 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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So, the same as every Dyson ever made other than the cinneti What kind of Dyson would loose suction after a few weeks? | ||
| Post# 330568 , Reply# 28 7/30/2015 at 15:04 (3,186 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 330570 , Reply# 29 7/30/2015 at 15:14 (3,186 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
That's one of the issues the general public think in most cases bagless means no bags, no maintanance as such. They forget about filter changes or filter washes every so often. Then wonder why they clog or performance drops. Then throw them out and buy a new one in some cases. If they maintained them as instructed they would probably last longer and performance better. I've known friends and family with bagless vacuums didn't realise they had filters let alone needed washing or replacing periodic!
Suppose years ago the bag got full (probably bursted due to over filling) they eventually changed it and the vacuum was good to go and probably lasted longer. With hectic life's the general public tend to lead!! I feel have got lazy and want appliances that are quick and easy to use. I've gone back to bags having used bagless for 11 years. Been using bags for 8 years now and much better personally especially having a pet. More convenient for me too. I don't miss the emptying the bin or washing filters waiting for them to dry but that's me. I've used bagless vacuums of owners who have pets and they can smell but thats due to internals parts that get lined from the pet hair (which can be greasy/oily) that you can not get to clean out. Everyone's different and bagless suits some and bagged vacuums suit others for many reasons! | ||
| Post# 330574 , Reply# 31 7/30/2015 at 15:59 (3,186 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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100% agreed Stan! | ||
| Post# 330585 , Reply# 32 7/30/2015 at 18:15 (3,186 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 330620 , Reply# 34 7/31/2015 at 01:08 (3,186 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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I just forgot...
I saw a dyson DC17 animal at my thrift store last month I think. As far as I can remember here, It was used heavily so it wore down the brushroll and it was very dirty. The main problem with it was the cyclones were clogged as I took a sneak peak in the canister and I think I saw that the pre filter was washed. So my guess was that the vacuum got clogged and the previous owners must have thought it was the filter that needed to be cleaned out, and maybe found out it didn't made much of a difference at all so they must have decided to get rid of it. Next day I went back over there, it was gone but a couple of vacs that were there way before the dyson arrived at the thrift store were still there and they were in much better shape than that dyson.
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