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Thread Number: 29381
/ Tag: Recent Vacuum Cleaners from past 20 years
Why are Aerus/Lux Type C Bags So Abudant and Cheap Compared to Other Vacuum Bags? |
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| Post# 328212 6/27/2015 at 19:05 (3,223 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
Just wondering. I bought a box on Ebay for my Epic 6500 over 2 years ago and it had 100 bags for like 39.95, and they are actually good bags....But any other vacuum bag I see isn't nearly as economical as this one. But I'm wondering why these are so abundant & cheap as opposed to all the other bags on the market.
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Post# 328216 , Reply# 1 6/27/2015 at 20:07 (3,223 days old) by vacuumlad1650  (Wauponsee, IL) |
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| Post# 328217 , Reply# 2 6/27/2015 at 20:20 (3,223 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
I don't know for sure...
...but I'm darned glad of it, seeing as I have two Electrolux canisters—a 1205 and a Super J—that take that type bag. What comes to my my mind is we have a perfect storm of a mature market, expired patents, and economies of scale.
• Type C bags were introduced with the model LX in 1952 and they were used continuously on subsequent models right on into the 21st century. • Any patents on that bag design would have expired by the late '70s or early '80s, and thus the design is in the public domain, allowing third party manufacturers to offer generic bags without paying any sort royalties or licensing fees, enabling them to thus pass the savings on to the consumer. • Because these machines were so well made and significant numbers of them remain in service decade after decade, demand for the bags stays sufficiently robust that manufacturers and consumers alike can benefit from the economies of scale that come from large production runs. It also makes one wonder just how much the prices of other vacuum cleaner bags are padded beyond the basic manufacturing cost. | ||
| Post# 328218 , Reply# 3 6/27/2015 at 20:30 (3,223 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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| Post# 328219 , Reply# 4 6/27/2015 at 20:33 (3,223 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 328226 , Reply# 6 6/27/2015 at 21:22 (3,223 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 328228 , Reply# 7 6/27/2015 at 21:37 (3,223 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.) | ||
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Perfect I have used the Perfect cloth type bags in all my C type bag machines ever since they came out. They're worth the extra cost. | ||
| Post# 328230 , Reply# 8 6/27/2015 at 21:50 (3,223 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
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I would use the perfect hepa bags
but I like throwing my bags away faster than other people do, and since these are so cheap, it doesn't bother me......and to be honest, with these paper type C bags, there's hardly any dust in the bag chamber area....Also these bags are pretty idiot proof when installing the bag....it's a very tight seal, UNLIKE the KENMORE canisters...
Just go to Ebay and type C vacuum bags electrolux and you'll be surprised and the amount you get from some sellers with free shipping for the price. I just never understood why they were so cheap.......I guess there is higher demand and they are old type bags makes sense. | ||
| Post# 328233 , Reply# 9 6/27/2015 at 22:28 (3,223 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
Charles
I think a major reason why Aerus does not produce a cloth HEPA bag for the Aerus Classic & Aerus Legacy, is that Aerus has mostly been a traditional company that doesn't like change. However, I think that is slowly changing....after all, we do have the Aerus Platinum now, which is a MAJOR departure for Aerus in terms of it's design & features. And for those customers that want a cloth HEPA bag & double HEPA filtration & willing to spend the money, Aerus does at least offer this option to them to purchase.
As for the difference in quality for paper bags vs cloth HEPA bags....that's not really a fair comparison. Cloth HEPA has the unfair advantage of being made of different material that has much better tear resistance & filtration qualities over paper. And in my opinion, the blue Aerus Home Solutions & 4 ply bags are perhaps THE BEST paper bag on the market. Go ahead & compare the dust retention of the Type C paper bags to your average paper micro-filtration bag on a Kenmore or Hoover canister, for instance....and be disgusted with how much dust is in the bag chamber after 6 bags, whereas the Aerus bag chamber is still relatively dust free. Having said that, being a allergy sufferer, I do use the cloth HEPA bags made by JohnnyVac in my Electrolux vacuums, & I do believe they are superior. If I owned a Aerus Classic or Legacy & I was using the cloth HEPA bags & it broke down under warranty, & they tried to deny a warranty claim due to using aftermarket bags, I wouldn't hesitate to threaten to sue the franchise owner. Rob | ||
| Post# 328234 , Reply# 10 6/27/2015 at 22:42 (3,223 days old) by BikerRay (Middle Earth) | ||
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| Post# 328237 , Reply# 11 6/27/2015 at 22:57 (3,223 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 328270 , Reply# 13 6/28/2015 at 12:54 (3,222 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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I don't seem to have that problem with the "Multi-Filter" bags I've been using. The bag compartments of both of my Luxes are clean as a whistle. The small print on the bags says "3 Inner Layers, 1 Outer Layer". I have yet to dissect one to see what those layers are made of, but I have no complaint about their performance.
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| Post# 328287 , Reply# 16 6/28/2015 at 19:20 (3,222 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 328295 , Reply# 17 6/29/2015 at 02:37 (3,221 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
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I have the same bags as the person above posted
Mult-filter paper. These filter way better than the Kenmore Microlined bags I'e tried and the chamber stays much cleaner.....I've even gotten a white wet cloth and cleaned the chamber area and there was very little dirt on the rag...A little, yes, but nothing crazy after 6 months of using it a lot.....
Speaking of sealed hepa, I have a question about my Epic 6500 that I've asked before but no one ever answers my question, so I'll try again: I don't notice ANY air coming out anywhere other than the after filter (not hepa) just the after filter.....In my Kenmore, you could feel air coming out the cord area so you know it wasn't sealed. But the only air I feel on the Lux 6500 epic is the air coming straight out of the after filter......Would this mean that it's sealed? Not hepa sealed obviously, but sealed otherwise?
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| Post# 328296 , Reply# 18 6/29/2015 at 05:55 (3,221 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
I have written Aerus some time back about their dust leakage. The newer bags are not 4 ply, but say they filter just as well. NOT! They do come apart at the seams. Since they refuse to fix this, I have been buying genuine 4 ply SureThing and Germgrabber bags on Ebay. Fixes the problem with the leaking bags.
Electrolux sold their name for cash flow reasons and they sold it back to the original Electrolux whom they bought the rights to use the Electrolux name in the USA. BAD mistake....in my opinion. You cannot do a search any more and find only genuine Electroluxes. You get the Eureka vacs, ugh. Now you have to put vintage in front of Electrolux to find the all metal vacuums that were top quality..... I do still like the Lux Legacy design and have a Lux 3000 upright and a Lux 7000 canister, along with the first version of Lux Guardian Platinum. I do wish I had waited a little while to get the updated version of the Platinum..... PR-21 This post was last edited 06/29/2015 at 11:01 | ||
| Post# 328297 , Reply# 19 6/29/2015 at 06:08 (3,221 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
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Well
I'm not sure who makes the bags I bought on Ebay; I put a picture up of as the other person did. They certainly are not the blue genuine bags or the germ grabber bags, but they are really good bags.....It has been a while since I've wiped the bag chamber area so I decided to get a damp cloth and wipe it out just now and there wasn't any dirt at all in it (even in the nooks and crannies)...so they are good bags!! If I had done that with my Kenmore can, the rag would be black. You can visibly see the dirt in the bag chamber area.....Not so with my lux and these bags.
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| Post# 328298 , Reply# 20 6/29/2015 at 06:32 (3,221 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
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| Post# 328300 , Reply# 21 6/29/2015 at 08:24 (3,221 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
Reply# 13 & Reply# 17
Those are the only bags I will buy only because the Aerus guy slipped & telling me why NOT to buy them so I have been & here's what he said:
The 4-ply bags filter better then the original blue ones the company switched to hence less dust in the machine, no visits to get the cleaner fixed...that's what it comes down to. The first thing he did when I brought mine in was to open the bag compartment to see what bag I had in there, saw it was a new 4-ply bag took it out & threw it away, looked inside saw it was spotless & said NOT to use those because they were not genuine Aerus bags & would damage the motor so I asked him how if the compartment stayed cleaner with the 4-ply then the originals & he gave me some B/S story, changed the subject to the after filter not being original too. I had a phone call, excused myself while I stepped outside to handle the phone, came back in & heard him talking to someone on the phone in the back saying that he had another one in with non-original bags & filters & that my machine was spotless inside & how is he going to sell me original bags aren't that great. So I had a look in the pail...half the bags in there were still good 4-ply bags he had taken out of customers machines. He comes back out not realising I overheard him talking & I asked him for my bag back because there was nothing wrong with it which he refused so I reached over to grab it where he said it was property of Areus now & I said really?? Sweat is now pouring off this poor guy so I grabbed my machine & took it before he said THAT was property of his his store too. I asked him why's he getting rude & was asked NOT to leave come back ever again, since I didn't know what I was talking about. I told him I not to worry & was going to tell me friends NOT to come here which he said I couldn't do....SO Here comes this elderly lady with a Olympia One who walked passed me as he's still screaming at me, I asked her what was wrong with it & she said she was bringing it in for service. I opened up the exhaust put my finger round in there to see how much carbon was there, not much opened up the bag compartment 4-ply bag pulled it out....clean as a whistle. I told her it was fine, but she said HE told her to bring it in twice a year so it wouldn't void her warranty ... I looked at her & said that warranty expired years ago & that you were being ripped off. She told me she thought so also he was charging her almost $100 for bench charge, by then I was furious, put her bag back in & closed it up, asked her how it was running she said fine & she had gone someplace else to have it looked at & was getting a second opinion. I gave her mine & she was very happy with what I told her & left. Now.. He's just glaring at me saying he called the police to have me arrested now mind you I'm in the parking lot..public place was not in his place of business, so I said I'm waiting bring them, also you might need an ambulance for yourself as you don't look so well. I patiently waited 1 hour...no police I told him thank you for a pleasant experience & have a great day!! and left.. Went back there a couple days later at night to have a look & back room was a mess (I looked through the front window which he had the door open & light on) like some child had a temper tantrum! Machines scattered everywhere that were once nicely arranged in rows along the wall I mean he had a turn!! BUT in the window was a Help Wanted sign.. I laughed & thought ain't no one can help you in there..fast forward went by there again at night 8 months now & place still looks the same except for dust is now on the floor & machines in the back, looked like no machines in for repair & the Help Wanted sign is still in the window a bit sun faded now, papers scattered on the desk...looks like there might be a new sign in the window soon.. For Rent! | ||
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Post# 328309 , Reply# 22 6/29/2015 at 12:41 (3,221 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL) |
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I use the bags that Human and mark40511 use, but they cost so damn much at my local shop. I ended up getting 5 free bags with my 1954 LX my uncle bought me, but im not going to use one of them. The company is out of business and its worth some money. Not for sale, though. I NEVER use HEPA bags. They can overheat the motor and you loose a beautiful machine. It happened to my cousin's epic 6000. the repairman said dont use hepa, it will cause motor issues. Fine by me, the generics are cheaper
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| Post# 328316 , Reply# 24 6/29/2015 at 13:23 (3,221 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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Karma's a bitch... | ||
| Post# 328317 , Reply# 25 6/29/2015 at 13:30 (3,221 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 328329 , Reply# 26 6/29/2015 at 16:40 (3,221 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
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Vacuumlad1650
Good lord, expensive at your local shop? That's interesting since they are so dirt cheap on Ebay.
It's funny, as long as I've had my Lux, I've never waited for it to tell me to change the bag, so I don't even know what to look for. I guess the bag lid pops out or something. I see to recall reading a couple of posts about people taking the bag out of a Lux tank canister and it was packed like a brick. I couldn't imagine letting a vacuum bag get that full. | ||
| Post# 328352 , Reply# 28 6/29/2015 at 22:49 (3,221 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
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Thanks for letting me know
about the machine. My is an epic 6500 in grey color - that's all I know about it. I got it off Ebay a few years ago from an online seller from Maine who owns a vacuum shop there and a store on Ebay and is always selling vacuums. A friend of mine also bought one from him. I think it was like 220 dollars I paid.
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Post# 328353 , Reply# 29 6/29/2015 at 23:07 (3,221 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL) |
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@mark40511 | ||
| Post# 328359 , Reply# 30 6/30/2015 at 01:22 (3,221 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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HEPA exhaust filters will fit the Classic & Legacy; but I dont know if the cover will fit correctly over the HEPA exhaust filter Is there a HEPA pre-motor filter for the Classic or Legacy? | ||
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Post# 328365 , Reply# 31 6/30/2015 at 08:28 (3,220 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Here's a surprise (shock?) from a Hoover guy......
Yes, the door pops open and the the bag comes out when it is 'time to change the bag'. Yes, I KNOW this!! lol I have friends who love Electrolux. I have a friend in Philly who was very ill after surgery a few years back. I offered to clean his house for him. All he had was a gold electrolux with a powernozzle. Yep, I cleaned that whole home with it. The minute it was turned on, thatbag popped out. I thought that was clever , a cute feature, if you will. So, he changed his bag, colostomy, and I changed the vacuum bag. THe vinyl braided hose was worn to bits. He FINALLY had that thing serviced.
As far as bags go, I ALWAYS use GENUINE filter bags. | ||
| Post# 328413 , Reply# 32 6/30/2015 at 21:15 (3,220 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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I buy! Every pack I see at estate sales and thrift stores, yes the Perfect bags are better, but I change them so often ...and I find so many genuine Elux as well as Multi Filter bojacks, I just use them, I bet I have 20 or 30 packs, some from the 70s brand new. | ||
| Post# 328421 , Reply# 33 7/1/2015 at 08:07 (3,219 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
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KenKart | ||
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Post# 337110 , Reply# 34 11/8/2015 at 18:36 (3,089 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL) |
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Post# 337198 , Reply# 35 11/10/2015 at 03:03 (3,087 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Then think about how many "C" bag using Luxes are still in use-pretty good for a design that is close to half century old!--So there is still a market for these! | ||
| Post# 337348 , Reply# 36 11/11/2015 at 21:05 (3,086 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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OMG | ||
| Post# 337352 , Reply# 37 11/11/2015 at 22:38 (3,086 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 339405 , Reply# 40 12/15/2015 at 19:37 (3,052 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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