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Thread Number: 29151
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| Post# 325719 , Reply# 1 5/25/2015 at 15:35 (3,252 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 325731 , Reply# 2 5/25/2015 at 16:35 (3,252 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
What percentage of your home is carpeted? Some homes that have mostly bare floors and low pile throw rugs do not need a canister with a power nozzle.
If you do need a power nozzle, go for the Miele Marin - an excellent all around canister with excellent filtration for those with allergies. If you don't need a power nozzle, go for the Miele Alize or Olympus. Both have enough air flow through the hose to effectively power the optional Mini Turbo nozzle you are looking for. The Alize and the Marin have a longer cord, longer hose and interior tool storage compartment. | ||
| Post# 325732 , Reply# 3 5/25/2015 at 16:42 (3,252 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 325736 , Reply# 4 5/25/2015 at 16:56 (3,252 days old) by Danswifey () | ||
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I'm sorry I can't figure out how to reply directly to each poster. I'd like to be under $1500 but I can spend more if it's necessary. The majority of the house is carpeted except the kitchen, entry room and bathrooms. | ||
| Post# 325737 , Reply# 5 5/25/2015 at 17:00 (3,252 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 325738 , Reply# 6 5/25/2015 at 17:10 (3,252 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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No worries regarding responding to each of us; usually just typing the name will be enough to respond.
Miele vacuums are extremely good and I have owned a few. Both SEBO and Miele do not offer electric power nozzle "mini" brushes as far as I am aware - they can be quite heavy according to some of the U.S members I have spoken to on here. Eurekaprince makes a good point though - the air driven ones are easier to manage, lighter in the hand and use vacuum air to power along. However, the better canister vac in my opinion is the SEBO D4, as suggested previously. It is fitted with a durable, robust power nozzle with a brush roll on/off button and 4 height adjustments. It is also very easy to push and has an entirely removable brush roll for cleaning off. Its filter system has also been recognised as being one of the highest. The dust bags for SEBO are usually available in boxes of 7 or 10 dependent on seller. Twice as more as you would get with Miele. The link to Amazon.com shows a model that comes with a mini stair & pet turbo brush. Anything else, just ask! Im sure there will be more members on here with other suggestions. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 325746 , Reply# 8 5/25/2015 at 18:32 (3,252 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I forgot to mention, Danswifey that ALL of SEBO's canisters do not have the motor exhaust on top unlike Miele. SEBO's air is diffused to the sides through the handy protection cloth Lycra Airbelt bumper that also absorbs bumps in general use. Thus, when you take out the cleaning tools from the rear, you don't breathe in the motor air.
Also SEBO's D dust bags have caps on the bags that you simply hook over and fit over the dust channel. Miele's dust seals in my opinion don't always fully close and the bags can be difficult to lift out quickly if they are packed up with dirt. The SEBO bags just lift up and can be taken out. I am not a fan of bagless vacs in general unless they are cordless hand held dust busters or cordless type sweepers. The mains power vacuums all have bottom trapdoor releases but the dust and powder dirt can often get stuck up at the top of the shroud. Bagless are not suitable for those with allegies to dust in my opinion. | ||
| Post# 325774 , Reply# 12 5/26/2015 at 05:06 (3,252 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
It has a chrome metal baseplate on it tool
Tayyab, bear in mind that Numatic vacuums can be quite difficult and expensive to get hold of in the US. Also, the floortool on Numatic's is entirely plastic and does not have a metal underside. Only the John and Lewis had this and they're no longer on sale and weren't available in the US.
I'm with Nar and EurekaPrince - Miele and Sebo are the way to go if you want high filteration, high performing, reliable and efficient machines. Both have high quality, sealing filter bags with minimal leaking. Any fine particles that do get through the bag are captured by the S Class or HEPA filters. The water filteration vacuums like Rainbow can be incredibly heavy to lift and move around when full of water in day to day use, so whilst they're great vacuums, they may not be the best option if you're wanting something light and easy to use. I've also heard good things about Simplicity and Aerus vacuums, but we don't have those in the UK so I can speak for first hand experience. One of our US friends will be able to advise on those though if you want more info. | ||
| Post# 325805 , Reply# 13 5/26/2015 at 15:21 (3,251 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO) | ||
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Simplicity or Riccar are my recommendations, here, especially the new Wonder/Prima. Miele and Sebo both rank up there with them, but I think the Simplicity/Riccar vacs have a better power nozzle, better hose and an interesting range of options. | ||
| Post# 325807 , Reply# 15 5/26/2015 at 16:10 (3,251 days old) by smith (North Carolina) | ||
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Lux Guardian Platinum Take a look at the Guardian Platinum. It meets every one of your requirements. CLICK HERE TO GO TO smith's LINK | ||
| Post# 325846 , Reply# 17 5/27/2015 at 06:23 (3,251 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 325847 , Reply# 18 5/27/2015 at 07:08 (3,251 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Comparing the Sebo D4 to the Miele S8 Marin: I found that the Sebo D4 has a larger and bulkier canister to deal with compared to the Miele. I also find the tool storage on the Miele better because you can access the attachments more easily when the cleaner is standing on its end. It is difficult to access the attachments when the Sebo D4 is standing on its backside which is the position you would use for cleaning stairs or the tops of curtains.
I don't find that the Miele's exhaust blows in your face when accessing the top-side tool storage - the button to open the hood is located right near the hose port and when the door opens, the exhaust is behind it. Though you can always attach an extension cord to Miele's 24 foot cord, the Sebo D4 gives you a much longer cord. But I am a bit worried about the durability of the way the suction is directed to the top of the Sebo's bag compartment: the path is opened every time you open the bag compartment and so I wonder if this connection could develop leaks over the years of opening and closing the compartment's hood. Just some other factors to ponder. I have the suction-only version of the Miele S8 (now C3 Complete) series and I am extremely pleased with all aspects of the cleaner. It even came with a spotlight on the hose handle! :-) | ||
| Post# 325887 , Reply# 21 5/27/2015 at 21:53 (3,250 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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SEBO D versus Miele S8
Well as the owner of both these vacuums, the SEBO hasn't lost any air on its top since the purchase of my machine in 2010. The rubberised, removable material filter at the top under the lid stops any air from leaking anyway whilst the natural flow of suction from the bag also has a natural vacuum seal.
Also the bags on the SEBO are a heck of a lot easier to drop in and pull out. The S8 has a tight bag chamber, particularly if the dust bags are full to the brim with dust and I've yet to find ANY of the HyClean/AirClean dust seals actually close over PROPERLY. SEBO's argument in putting tools at the back is simply because most of their owners get the tool first before they put the machine on a stair. Whilst I agree to a point that the tools on the SEBO may be poorly located at the rear, at least the idea is simpler. The tool lid on the Miele S8 is vulnerable and thin in my opinion. Access can be tight. Also the Spotlight on the handle is a good idea in theory - but the light cannot be switched off manually. For a large home the SEBO D4 and suction only models are ideal. Miele's S8 may be the flagship of the Miele canister line, but in my opinion the cost of consumables such as bags and filters are more expensive in the long term versus SEBO who offer twice as many bags. Photo screen shot Taken from Amazon.com - 4 bags from Miele in a single box compared to 8 bags in a single box with SEBO. You'd still make a saving if you buy the single box from SEBO versus 2 of Miele's boxes. The 2 "free filters" you get from Miele are a cut to fit motor filter that sits behind the dust bag in the Miele dust bag chamber and a free Super air clean filter. But that's the basic "microfilter" that Miele include for free, which isn't as asorbing as the Active Air Clean filters or more expensive HEPA filters. As for filters, well the HEPA filter on Amazon.com for Miele costs $48-00 for a year. For SEBO, a box of filters costs on average $40 to $42-99
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| Post# 325888 , Reply# 22 5/27/2015 at 21:57 (3,250 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 325891 , Reply# 23 5/27/2015 at 22:58 (3,250 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR) | ||
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You may want to consider a water filtration vacuum like the Rainbow or the Sirena. Many allergy sufferers get relief from these vacuums. Other than the water used, there are no bags or filters to buy. You can add scents to the water to make your house smell nice. | ||
| Post# 325900 , Reply# 25 5/28/2015 at 06:55 (3,250 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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The great thing about the Sebo is that the started as a commercial floorcare company. Their cleaners were all designed to be repaired locally by the user rather than having to send the machine away for repair to minimise the down time. All parts are available to buy from Sebo online and easy to replace. For example, the brushroll in the uprights and powernozzles doesn't require any unscrewing to remove and replace. It has a cap that pops off and the brushroll slides right out for replacement/cleaning.
The upright Sebo X series have computer controlled height adjustment. The Felix uprights and powernozzle canisters have a manual guided height adjustment. It alerts the users to the brushroll being at the incorrect height and automatically shuts down if the brushroll becomes jammed or blocked. Not as advanced as the computer control height adjustment, but still very effective. Many people prefer it as it gives the user complete height control.
I wouldn't worry about the computer control failing. It's a rare occurance. The first Sebo I ever got to use in 1998 is still going strong with no repairs and in daily use with a family friend. I still see Sebo's in use in commercial environments from 20 odd years ago. Of all the disputing that's possible with a Sebo, reliability certainly isn't one of them. They're built like tanks! | ||
| Post# 325902 , Reply# 26 5/28/2015 at 07:13 (3,250 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Most revolving brushes on vacuums today are made of plastic. Riccar and Simplicity use metal agitators and Panasonic/Kenmore power nozzles use wood.
Miele canister cleaners have a metal strip in their hose handles to deal with any static electricity build up. The spotlight on my Miele's handle shuts off automatically after a minute, so there is no need to turn it off manually. I still say tools hanging on the back of the D4 is rather unfortunate. I find that I often have to go back to get a tool I forgot I needed. You may start with the upholstery nozzle, but realize later you need the dusting brush for the sides of the stairs. No big deal really - I imagine D4 users get into the habit of pulling out all the tools before using the vac. You can definitel get a tool adapter to allow you to use a Miele tool on other cleaners. But chances are your local vac shop can find a generic version of the Flexi crevice tool that will fit directly on the Sebo. I was more concerned about the potential for leaks in the air flow channel that is separated and opened up every time you open the bag compartment on the D4. Unless the cleaner uses a sealed hose between the main unit and the compartment cover, it seams that there may be - and I emphasize may be - a danger that the connection will develop a leak over the years. | ||
| Post# 325903 , Reply# 27 5/28/2015 at 07:13 (3,250 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The great thing is, SEBO STILL ARE a commercial vacuum cleaner company. Miele are not. SEBO still sell and produce both commercial and domestic vacuums.
SEBO brush rolls are designed to be static free and they groom carpets well without ripping carpet pile out. What I love about them the most is that the actual bristles can be washed! I also find that they last a long time and I have three SEBO uprights, two of which have the standard brush roll and my Felix has a soft delicate brush roll for my wool carpets. Hence the Felix is usually the daily driver of choice. The parts and build are generally stronger. Miele and SEBO tools are not interchangeable, they have different sizes. A flexible crevice tool is not available as yet. SEBO looked at the design that Miele sell and apparently aren't happy with the design. I have the flexible crevice tool. Its a good idea in theory - however the top of the crevice has a removable mouth. Mine has often come off when slid under my fridge freezer, simply because it gets stuck and when the whole of the flex tool is pulled out, the smaller removable mouth stays stuck under the freezer! Its annoying when sometimes the smaller slide off bit doesn't return even with the Miele's suction motor powered to the highest! Hence why SEBO don't normally offer a tool like that where something comes off during operation. As with what Chris says, not all SEBO vacuums have computerised parts but the machines in general are easy to repair. Parts diagrams can be downloaded for free from SEBO in Germany (Provided you click the English language option!) The D4 uses the ET-1 floor head power nozzle which is commercially based and designed. It is already sold with the Sebo Felix upright as well as a number of other SEBO vacuums and private labels such as commercial cleaning company Windsor who use the ET-1 on their Flexamatic (previous name) and current Axcess uprights. The power head has also been retro fitted to a number of central vac systems in the U.S - so it has had a lot of service. | ||
| Post# 325904 , Reply# 28 5/28/2015 at 07:22 (3,250 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The other thing is in time, you may not always need to use the power nozzle floor head. Other suction only or air driven floor tools are available with the SEBO that you could use for an even lighter experience. Mostly all of the floor tools are similar to Miele because they come from Wessel Werk, a company who produce premium floor heads to the industry. Sebo's DELUXE KOMBI floor tool is an exception - this is a SEBO designed suction only floor tool that mimics the action of the ET1 floor head in that you can clean flat to the floor without turning your hand left or right unlike conventional canister vacuums that don't feature a double joint swivel neck.
Potential nonsense regarding air leaks around the hose and lid is not actual. Sorry. But it isn't. My SEBO D doesn't leak air out the top and the hose mount is thickly made to ensure it stays locked in. Unlike Miele, its not just two lugs that hold the hose to the body, but rather two thick pins that ensure the hose is locked in, IN TANDEM. The suction and airflow is concentrated direct to the bag. | ||
| Post# 325905 , Reply# 29 5/28/2015 at 07:28 (3,250 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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As for Air leaks - Miele
As for air leaks, well its an interesting one that has happened recently on my Miele S8.
The Active Air Clean filter that is housed in the machine required to be changed after yet another year. I thought I would return to using the Super Air Clean filter that comes as standard with the Miele S8. But I also remember a black insulation felt pad that sits on the actual grid itself before the Super Air Clean cartridge is fitted. It turns out that I have lost the felt pad. Miele have been contacted and they are sending out a free one, yet it isn't a part that is listed on their UK site. The pad isn't just there for sound insulation as I found out when fitting my Super Air Clean filter grid back in but WITHOUT IT, it produces a whistle and air leaks when the machine is switched on. The pad also has to be taken out when either HEPA or Active Air Clean filter is fitted. Very annoying!! | ||
| Post# 325921 , Reply# 30 5/28/2015 at 11:49 (3,249 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Here's a great video on the Sebo D4 from our friend Roger Sensotronic....very detailed!
CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK | ||
| Post# 325927 , Reply# 31 5/28/2015 at 13:03 (3,249 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 325928 , Reply# 32 5/28/2015 at 13:03 (3,249 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Oh I was wondering when Roger's videos would get a mention on here eventually, since you seem to constantly post video links to his channel. Do you not have any of your own, Eurekaprince?
However, have a look at my Miele S8. And also my SEBO D vacuum. Both openings to the lids are shown here. What do you see? Dust on the outer AND inner collar to the bag inside the lid of the Miele S8. A lot less on the SEBO D, virtually nothing inside it. either.
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| Post# 325934 , Reply# 33 5/28/2015 at 14:42 (3,249 days old) by Danswifey () | ||
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I'm definitely buying a Sebo D4. Now, does anyone have any coupon codes or know where the cheapest place to purchase one is? (I'm in the USA) Thank you all so much for the feedback, answering my question and for all of your help. I've greatly appreciated it. | ||
Post# 325939 , Reply# 35 5/28/2015 at 15:24 (3,249 days old) by kloveland  (Tulsa) |
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Aerus Electrolux.... | ||
| Post# 325944 , Reply# 36 5/28/2015 at 17:13 (3,249 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Eeeerrrrr excuse me, Ralph. The "filthy carpet" you referred to is my partners and in the house I now live in. The carpet was regularly vacuumed with a Panasonic upright and twice yearly with a Kirby.
It is FAR from filthy. It was well looked after and regularly cleaned and in a house that, at the time, had 1 person living in it who works full time and no pets. Only the first bag was filled. The bag I put in after I cut that one open for the purpose of detailing the performance of the cleaner filled up at the normal rate. I've been a part of this site for 8 years, I've been collecting vacuums since I was 15 and I've been using them from the minute I could walk. I am more than qualified to judge how well someone is cleaning their carpets. Do you honestly think that, being the self confessed clean freak that I am, would go out with, commit myself to a serious relationship and move in with someone who had a filthy house? Let's get a brand new vacuum on your carpets and see how "filthy" your home is, shall we?? | ||
| Post# 325945 , Reply# 37 5/28/2015 at 17:16 (3,249 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 325947 , Reply# 38 5/28/2015 at 17:53 (3,249 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Also Ralph if you cared to look at the responses on this thread, Danswifey is not going gunho by a machine being filled up from one use. Besides that was a SEBO X upright, not the D4.
Danswifey, whlist I think you are on the right lines of buying a SEBO D4, I will press again on Riccar and other U.S brands to check out. No vacuum cleaner is perfect. There are downsides to even the SEBO D series. I think you should go to an outlet who deals with SEBO. Go-Vacuum offer special deals but it depends on where you are in the U.S Check out SEBO's main U.S website and search for your nearest dealer. There are also plenty of videos from sellers online based in the U.S who also sell SEBO. Some even mention that they do discounts such as Go-Vacuum and others. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 326003 , Reply# 40 5/29/2015 at 06:01 (3,249 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 326012 , Reply# 41 5/29/2015 at 09:06 (3,248 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Just a note about Roger's video: keep in mind that he is demonstrating a UK version of the D4 which has a very strong motor that can go up to about 2000 watts of power. North American versions can only go up to 1440 watts of power (12amps x 120 volts). His video should only be used to understand the pros and cons of the design, not the cleaning power.
Nar...I only included Rogers video to contribute to the educational value of this discussion, not to tout or criticize the D4. It may very well be the perfect vac for Danswifey. I do not have a decent video camera and I really think Roger has a wonderfully patient and calm style of describing things - his videos are very informative - even for North Americans. And I don't think I have the funds or the space to offer such a wide array of cleaner demonstrations. I really considered the suction-only version of the D4 for myself, but I really was afraid of the airbelt position of side exhaust, the air path between bag compartment and fan, and the location of the tools. McHardy Vacuum in Canada offered a wonderful deal on a nice white Miele Fresh Air S8 for only CAD$550 including flexi crevice tool, active Hepa filter, universal dusting brush and spotlight handle. And the vac is in my preferred colour of Pearl White. McHardy is the friendliest most wonderful vacuum store in Canada! I even got a personal thank you note along with the cleaner!!! It is a wonderful vac for my needs. This is what Eureka Williams would have sold had they been alive today.... EP Brian | ||
| Post# 326015 , Reply# 42 5/29/2015 at 09:57 (3,248 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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The D4 in the UK/Europe is now 700w in line with the regulations from September last year.
I've used both the 2200w and 700w versions. In all honestly, the 2200w version on max was a little too powerful and I had to turn it down to make it more comfortable to use. The 700w version doesn't pull the same suction on max, but it is still more than enough to effectively clean. The powerhead does the bulk of the work anyway.
Lovely story there about the sales service you recieved - always good to hear of a good customer experience in a local business, especially considering so much has gone online these days. It's refreshing to see an independant business keeping up. | ||
| Post# 326019 , Reply# 43 5/29/2015 at 11:27 (3,248 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
Many people on this forum have purchased a Riccar Prima canister vacuum. And written threads about their experience with it. The Riccar Prima is the lowest priced of the three machines - Sebo, Miele, and Riccar - that you are considering. Since it is the lowest priced, it has the least profit to the dealer - hence the reason you were 'steered' to a much higher profit making Miele. For a wonderful, compact, powerful, quiet canister vacuum with the BEST power nozzle you can buy, it's a Riccar Prima all the way. Remember, when designing the Riccar Prima, we used the Vacuum Cleaner Museum's collection of over 700 machines, and 'cherry picked' the best features of all of them. Best of all, No Circuit Boards to fail on the Prima.
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| Post# 326021 , Reply# 44 5/29/2015 at 11:46 (3,248 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Eurekaprince - Roger does have a good video making approach, but he states at the beginning with regard to finding dust at the bottom of the SEBO D when the bag is removed. My photos prove that there is more dust at the dust bag collar as opposed to after the bag on the Miele versus the SEBO. Surely if the lid is open where the collar is located, it is liable for dirt and dust to fall off rather than finding it after the bag.
When the Sebo D1 arrived in Canada, my cousin ended up buying one for her home in NYC. At the time SEBO U.S were only offering the D4. That was in 2013. They still have the SEBO, it's the only vacuum they use with 2 children who make a lot of mess. IM not sure why you would be afraid of air path between bag, compartment and fan - on account that SEBO released a commercial version only a few years ago with very few changes (manual, replaceable cord replaces auto cord and a lower motor) plus the Air belt positioning - it allworks! It keeps my home scratch free and the vacuum itself whilst I don't breathe in the air. | ||
| Post# 326022 , Reply# 45 5/29/2015 at 11:52 (3,248 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 326031 , Reply# 47 5/29/2015 at 14:01 (3,248 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 326035 , Reply# 48 5/29/2015 at 15:13 (3,248 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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| Post# 326037 , Reply# 49 5/29/2015 at 16:08 (3,248 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 326042 , Reply# 51 5/29/2015 at 17:20 (3,248 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
Riccar Prima 
Much much better than a Sebo that long of a cord makes that bulky giant vacuum way to heavy if you have thick plush carpet it will not work well on our American carpets .
I own a Prima and also own over 400 vacuums if I had to pick one I'd go with Riccar Prima I have owned and operated vacuum cleaner stores and have over 35 years experience in this field . You'll be VERY pleased with the Riccar it's everything one could ask for in a canister vacuum plus American designed for American homes not European homes with mostly bare floors and very thin carpets . Dan | ||
| Post# 326045 , Reply# 52 5/29/2015 at 17:36 (3,248 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Look to the reply 24 where danswifey, the original consumer of this topic and thread likes the cord length that the SEBO offers.
She also doesn't want a vacuum where she feels she is breathing in the air to change the setting. It appears there is a vacuum cleaner exhaust located on the top of the Prima. Marks, I dont know of any problem with SEBO's retractable cords. They haven't issued a recall in the UK. Respectively I have stuck to my guns in offering good advice to this consumer as well as being able to respond succinctly with alternatives. But I feel as if this is turning into a game of whose collection or word of authority is better. End of the day, I am a domestic consumer and vacuum cleaner collector. I may no longer own 400 vacuums but thankfully I don't work in the industry where the constant selling approaches without the realities of day to day cleaning are undertaken. Best of luck to whatever you decide, danswifey. | ||
| Post# 326049 , Reply# 53 5/29/2015 at 19:04 (3,248 days old) by rainbowjoel (Dexter NM) | ||
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A Riccar Prima I love my Prima! compact and powerful!
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| Post# 326054 , Reply# 55 5/29/2015 at 20:12 (3,248 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Derek
That about sums it up I just ignore stuff like that because that kind of response tells the entire story ...
I also have owned a very successful cleaning business and wish Tacony was available in my area back in the 80's . My name on here is Kirbyloverdan and you NEVER see me shoving Kirby's in someone's face as the BEST vacuum . Having owned a successful vacuum shop and managing many others I know exactly how to help a customer with a vacuum choice because of my vast vacuum cleaner knowledge plus having owned a cleaning business you get to see different homes and surfaces that need cleaned and can expertly fit a vacuum cleaner to a clients home as you know how to Derek . Real life experience in cleaning and vacuum businesses is how I help people . Dan | ||
| Post# 326059 , Reply# 57 5/29/2015 at 21:17 (3,248 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Sorry danknx but is this the first time you have felt the desire to respond to this thread? Seems like it.
Sorry if I offended you. Perhaps the offence wouldn't have been there had you actually responded with some degree of advice and help for the original poster on this thread at the start. Where was your HELPING advice when it could have been offered? Certain other members' responses have been obvious selling pitches with brands rather than actual ownership. There is a stark difference between selling and owning, most of which at times some members tend to forget on here. Had you actually looked at this thread from the very start you'll see I have offered my thoughts on both SEBO and Miele vacuums. I have also suggested at all times, where appropriate that other brands do indeed exist and for danswifey to check out the Riccar brand. Aerus was also mentioned but not by me. I respect those who do work in the floorcare selling business - to a certain degree - but as far as I know vacuumland.org is not a seller or trader website where sole industry workers in floorcare service come together to discuss brands and models. I thought it was a site for vacuum cleaner collectors. As for you Dan, you're not whiter than holy silk. I can recall earlier posts when I joined this site and you cut me down for owning a SEBO. I don't forget these things. I respect you and your collection, but if you're going to go down the road of being patriotic of buying American, at least promote a machine that is made in America. Just because you don't mind Chinese built vacuums, doesn't mean the rest of us have to tag along. danswifey - I will now respond to you in this next box. | ||
| Post# 326060 , Reply# 58 5/29/2015 at 21:28 (3,248 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Congratulations on your new SEBO, DW! You can stay here as long as you like, in my experience.
I have personally never found fault with the SEBO mini turbo brush head on stairs. I find it works well on furnishings - I use mine to vacuum up crumbs on my breakfast/dinner table if my cordless Black and Decker dust buster hasn't been charged. You'll have the bonus of adjusting the suction from the handle of the SEBO when the turbo brush is slid on. Again like a few of SEBO floor heads, it is a Wessel Werk German design and it is one that has been sold by other brands such as Miele, Bosch and Hoover Europe (not the same company owned by TTI of China). Even Dyson used the same design on early models before they designed their own. It is easy to clean out and it has a pivotal sole plate on the base that moves forward and backwards to ensure easy movement. But then I've also used the T shape upholstery tool that comes with the D series as standard - the stiff line of bristles can be pulled out if you have particular durable carpet on stairs with thick pile. Leave the thin brush in if you have thinner pile. | ||
| Post# 326062 , Reply# 59 5/29/2015 at 22:01 (3,248 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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When I want to give my stairs a deep clean, I attach the Sebo power head on my D4 directly to the handle. I also have the mini turbo brush and have had no problems with it, though it does increase the noise level. | ||
| Post# 326063 , Reply# 60 5/29/2015 at 22:19 (3,248 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 326067 , Reply# 61 5/29/2015 at 23:45 (3,248 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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The rule for the best vacuum is: If you like it, and use it, and it meets your needs. It's the best one for you. Congratulations on your new purchase, I am sure it will serve you for many years.
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| Post# 326081 , Reply# 62 5/30/2015 at 12:07 (3,247 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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The Riccar Prima hose is 8 feet long. When it was being designed, I was asked by the engineers for the proper length of a hose. The Air-Way hose has always been the perfect length. Since we cherry picked history, we used the 8 feet length of the Air-Way hose, along with the Electrolux model 1205 cord winder design.
The photo (from left to right) shows the Aerus Electrolux Legacy Hose, the Riccar Prima hose, the Air-Way Sanitizor 88 Mark II hose, and the Kirby Legend II hose. You'll note that the Prima and Air-Way hoses are in fact the same length. Wouldn't it be nice if ANY other manufacturer of vacuums could actually cherry pick the entire history of vacuum cleaners?
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| Post# 326082 , Reply# 63 5/30/2015 at 12:14 (3,247 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Cherry picking is indeed good if you have that facility.
When it comes to hose length, brands should also be stating how long the hose is WITHOUT the handle being attached. Recently I bought a SEBO K1 replacement hose since I managed to find a lone body & motor only on an auction site without any tools etc. So when it came to purchasing the hose I had a few points left over on Amazon UK. What I thought I was buying, was as described - the 2.1 metre hose that SEBO install with a few of their K1 cylinder vacs, and not the base level 1.8 metre hose. What came in the post was the correct pack with the correct label = however the hose inside is a 1.8 metre hose, measured from the machine cuff before the handle. Whilst Amazon have kindly offered a refund, I don't mind the 1.8 metre hose, but it goes to show that when measuring the length of the hose, it does not include the handle. Such is the case that Miele and SEBO both sell replacement hoses without the handles as well as hoses with handles. | ||
| Post# 326123 , Reply# 64 5/30/2015 at 14:28 (3,247 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
Congratulations Danswifey on the purchase of your new SEBO D4, glad to see your already enjoying it. I hope it brings you server so years of reliable service which I'm sure it will.
I have a SEBO Felix which I've had for nearly 8 years with trouble free usage. Not used so much in its first 3 years but had some usage since. I love it one of the best vacuum cleaners I've owned (along with my recent purchased of a Vorwerk!), in fact it's SEBO that got me back into bag vacuum cleaners and opened my eyes. I'm not a big fan of canisters/cylinder vacuums but I do love the SEBO ones especially the premium models that come with the electric power head same as what is on my Felix. Well enjoy your D4. | ||
| Post# 326124 , Reply# 65 5/30/2015 at 14:43 (3,247 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Just a comment about the comparative convenience of adjusting the power levels on the suction only versions of the Miele C3 (S8) and the Sebo D4 (the D1). Since the hoses are non-electric on these, you must adjust the power on the main canister unit. With the Miele, you can do this easily without bending down by pressing the foot-operated + and - buttons.
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| Post# 326168 , Reply# 67 5/31/2015 at 10:34 (3,246 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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And a comment coming back at you - EP - you still have to bend down to take out the tools. Or the plug for that matter as well as the cord rewind..
I had an S4 once with the remote control handle. I was lucky if I could get the remote infra red thing to swing in my favour for controllable suction power so that the corresponding panel on the Miele body would pick up the signal. Fair enough if you get any remote control handle with a Miele brand new, or even a few years old, but at times those infra red "invisible" handles are more for a nonsense than an actual convenience. I rather like the remote control handle on my vintage Electrolux Excelio though it is a pity that it is powered by two AA batteries. It has a wireless type and infra red connection too. That's the same with Miele, though the battery is an LCD type. There are no batteries on the SEBO handles. | ||
| Post# 326294 , Reply# 70 6/2/2015 at 07:48 (3,245 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
Danswifey, congratulations on your Sebo D4 purchase! I hope you enjoy it for many years. It wouldn't have been my personal choice....I personally would have gone for the Riccar Prima or Aerus Platinum. The Sebo is nice, but I find the lack of features it has on a canister in it's price range is unacceptable. For instance, the powerhead on/off switch should be on the Hose Handle, not on the powerhead. There should also be a headlight on the powerhead & a quick release pedal, not have to stoop down to release.
Regarding your two Riccar uprights....if I was you, I would take your cleaners in to have them serviced & get them performing optimally again. You have two very good vacuums, in my opinion, that should last you many more years & along with your Sebo make a good house-cleaning team. I tried a Simplicity Freedom back a couple of months ago, & was blown away by the power it has....amazing for a 8 lb upright! There is a cordless version of it to be released soon, & I am very tempted to buy it. Best of luck with your Sebo.... Rob | ||
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