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Miele S7210 vs Dyson DC41/65/big ball
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Post# 325563   5/24/2015 at 16:33 (3,258 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Hi! Found this lovely looking shiny Miele that I am interested in, heard good and bad things about these and I know the DC41 is a good machine performance wise and looks lovely, I prefer the look of the satin blue DC41 personally but that's me. I am a little confused as to which one may be better.

I live in a multi floored house with different types of carpets, thick and thin. The entire downstairs is tile except for the front room which is gonna be carpeted, but the two living rooms have large area rugs. One of them is thin pile and the other is medium pile. We have a rubber backed rug in the kitchen and another dense carpet by the back door. We have loop pile carpet on both flights of 13 stairs and 14 stairs, one of the staircases are straight, the other staircase is bent. :P It is a curve shape 90 degrees. The landing is also loop pile. The bedrooms have laminate on the first floor, but have thin area rugs and mine is a carpeted room with one like an inch thick approx. The top floor is all laminate with area rugs which are also thin.

We vacuum like once or twice a day, on some occasions 3 times a day and we have lots of guests coming all the time and a large family. We use the vacuum for like more than half an hour for a proper clean, roughly an hour but when we do a quick clean we are careless, we bash he vacs into the furniture etc but that's the daily drivers. Never the rare ones! :O

We have had Dyson since 1997 and had models from DC01-DC41/40 so ya, Never tried a Miele before. The most play I have ever had with a Miele was to open the bag door of a Miele S7 in Comet and I hated how the bag door had to be pushed "slowly" back in. Took like 5 secs, WTH?! I am looking to either buy this or a Dyson DC05 motorhead. Not like we need to buy one, but my Dyson DC14 motor blew up after lots of DIY work, so it was kinda expected. I hear loads of praises and lots of horror stories and I just wanna know the truth and how you think it would cope in my house.
Thanks :)


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Post# 325565 , Reply# 1   5/24/2015 at 16:37 (3,258 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

PS 300W on the low setting?! OMG that must be quieter than a Henry on low mode... right? What about on 1800W?Is it still quieter than a Dyson DC14?

Post# 325566 , Reply# 2   5/24/2015 at 16:55 (3,258 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I have had an S7 allervac. It was white. It was a lovely vacuum in many ways. It beautiful looking vacuum and the tool storage and hose set up is well designed. However, I found the build quality to not be as good as miele claim, some cheap plastic used especially near the floor head. It is a pig to do maintenance on, to change a brushroll is horrible.

Compared to the dyson, the miele eats it for breakfast, honestly. If you were choosing between the two, go for the S7

What happened to you getting a SEBO chap? I reckon a Felix would suit you well.


Post# 325567 , Reply# 3   5/24/2015 at 17:00 (3,258 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Nice! Cheers Oli :D As for the Felix, I would still like one but I hardly see any, especially a good cheap one but this Miele S7 came up cheap so figured why not :D

Post# 325568 , Reply# 4   5/24/2015 at 17:00 (3,258 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Hmmm

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Well for the price i'd go for it. The Miele Uprights are heavy to carry so taking up and down stairs is kind of a pain. But for the mixed flooring you have i think it would be a good fit, the variable power will make cleaning your rugs easier. As for the hard floors, the owner of my favorite shop told me he's never seen an upright clean bare floors like the S7. I cannot compare it to any of the above dysons i've never used or owned them.

Post# 325569 , Reply# 5   5/24/2015 at 17:02 (3,258 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Thanks :D I think I will go for the S7, I honestly never had a problem with Dysons on hard floor, they have all been good except the ones without a clutch dont like big bits,but yeah not bad machines really. The S7 to me seems like some complex but fancy machine! I was watching an S7 video just now, I am not so keen on how the brushbar floats, but I guess it's meant to be a benefit so your carpets don't get damaged by the aggressive brushbar or something :/

Post# 325570 , Reply# 6   5/24/2015 at 17:09 (3,258 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Brush

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Despite it floating, or rather being spring loaded it manages to have some decent agitation power to it.

Post# 325571 , Reply# 7   5/24/2015 at 17:12 (3,258 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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the Miele upright will clean better than the DC40 DC41 and dc65 and all old dyson but I think the big ball and UK models will out cleaning it on all surfaces,when I had the Miele I really liked it but I don't think it was for me,I see sebos pop up a bit I think they would be worth waiting for or save up for a Dyson.

Post# 325573 , Reply# 8   5/24/2015 at 17:13 (3,258 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

So the big ball cinetic will clean better than the Miele S7? I think I will go for that as my next brand new vacuum instead of the lovely shiny blue DC41

Post# 325574 , Reply# 9   5/24/2015 at 17:18 (3,258 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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as I've had Bose I would definitely pick the Dyson big ball i noticed it would pick up a lot more.

Post# 325575 , Reply# 10   5/24/2015 at 17:19 (3,258 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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but if you can get hold of a Miele S7 go for it as they are very good vacuums.

Post# 325578 , Reply# 11   5/24/2015 at 17:41 (3,258 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Nice! Thanks

Post# 325623 , Reply# 12   5/24/2015 at 19:38 (3,257 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Tayyab....if it means anything, the American Consumer Reports has consistently rated all Miele S7 uprights as better carpet cleaners than any Dyson on the North American market. It's quieter too. Of course, changing the large cloth bag on the Miele is a million times more hygienic than emptying a bagless vacuum tank.

Too bad the UK S7's don't have the cool halogen headlights we get here in North America!

Good luck with your new acquisition, whatever you decide...


Post# 325628 , Reply# 13   5/24/2015 at 20:32 (3,257 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Thank you, I am aware that the Mieles are adored in America, however I thought they might be less powerful in the UK due to the british public having mainly thin carpets, like an American Dyson vs a British Dyson. The DC07 in America for example has VERY stiff bristles whereas the british ones have nylon bristles. Iam quite tempted with the Miele though! Not sure if I wanna pay the high price as I haven't tried one before, but I guess I could get my money back as these machines are worth more on eBay

Post# 325653 , Reply# 14   5/25/2015 at 06:39 (3,257 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Only the lower end S7's have no headlight. The higher end ones do have headlights.

Out of the two, I would go for the S7 still.


Post# 325674 , Reply# 15   5/25/2015 at 11:11 (3,257 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Tayyab,

The Meile S7 series is know for poor build quality and inferior plastics which break a lot. It is also known to be a nightmare to work on. It is very difficult even to replace the brushroll. So before you spend your money on the S7 watch this video:

 






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Post# 325676 , Reply# 16   5/25/2015 at 11:51 (3,257 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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ah, there we go. I was waiting for somebody to bring up Kirby. Is Tayyab even asking about Kirbys here? No. It's completely irrelevant.

Tayyab, there's good and bad features to both. Both cleaners have stair stretch hoses and strong hose suction. The Miele has the advantage slightly as it has variable power so you can clean literally everything with it. You'll very rarely, if ever, need to use the Miele on full power. The lower settings are perfect for dusting and cleaning things like curtains.

 

The Miele is damn heavy though and even with the swivel neck, it's difficult to maneuver as it has a very large cleaner head. The Dyson will be much quicker and lighter to use.

 

For deep carpet cleaning, the Miele wins hands down.

 


Post# 325689 , Reply# 17   5/25/2015 at 13:25 (3,257 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Chris, I was not trying to sell a Kirby to Tayyab. I only wanted for him to be aware of the problems with the S7.

 

And the video proves that the Kirby clearly out cleans the S7.


Post# 325690 , Reply# 18   5/25/2015 at 13:30 (3,257 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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of course it doesn't all it shows a salesman is trying to sell a Kirby by making the other vacuum look bad,and that's not how you show vacuum is better than another vacuum because every vacuum will leave dust behind.

Post# 325697 , Reply# 19   5/25/2015 at 13:54 (3,257 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Whether the Kirby outcleans the S7 or not, that's not really what this discussion is for. If Tayyab had a Kirby available to him, I'm sure he would've asked the question - but here, he is specifically asking about the Miele compared with the Dyson and instead of posting about the pro's and con's of those machines, this conversation has once again been steered towards Kirby. Even when Kirby aren't even being debated, people feel the need to bring them up in conversation.

Can we have one discussion on this website where we stay on topic and leave Kirby's for conversations where it's relevant?


Post# 325702 , Reply# 20   5/25/2015 at 14:26 (3,257 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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@sptyks

You got rekt m9


Post# 325703 , Reply# 21   5/25/2015 at 14:32 (3,257 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I agree, regarding the S7. If your home is large enough the S7 will certainly feel at home. And if you can get a cheap one, then all the better to kit the S7 out with worthwhile optional cleaning accessories that Miele also sell.

Post# 325743 , Reply# 22   5/25/2015 at 17:57 (3,257 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

O wow.
Stan: Thanks :) I do like the Kirby, it looks good and I would happily get one if a bargain pops up :)
Chris: Cheers, I am aware the Miele is superior to the Kirby in certain ways and it's nice of you to take the time out of your day to inform me about the comparison between the two and I really appreciate it :)
Olive: lol omg :o
I do like how heavy it would be tho :D shows quality


Post# 325765 , Reply# 23   5/26/2015 at 02:10 (3,256 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I wasn't comparing the Kirby :S.
In fact, I was specifically not comparing the Kirby.


Post# 325766 , Reply# 24   5/26/2015 at 03:25 (3,256 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I guess u were a bit, not really a comparison but kinda is, sorry came home late after a wedding in Lancashire

Post# 325773 , Reply# 25   5/26/2015 at 04:58 (3,256 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I compared the Miele and the Dyson, but not the Kirby?



Post# 325780 , Reply# 26   5/26/2015 at 09:35 (3,256 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

"Tayyab, there's good and bad features to both. Both cleaners have stair stretch hoses and strong hose suction. The Miele has the advantage slightly as it has variable power so you can clean literally everything with it. You'll very rarely, if ever, need to use the Miele on full power. The lower settings are perfect for dusting and cleaning things like curtains."

The words "both cleaners have stair reach hoses and strong hose suction" suggest that you are informing me about the similarities on the two machines i.e Kirby and Miele. This shows slight comparison.


Post# 325781 , Reply# 27   5/26/2015 at 10:16 (3,256 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Guys how quiet is this Miele S7 on the lowest setting? What's it like compared to a Henry on high and low power? cheers

Post# 325782 , Reply# 28   5/26/2015 at 10:37 (3,256 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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dysonboy:  Come on!!! Yes it is normal for any vacuum cleaner to leave some dust behind, but the Kirby was picking up tons of dust left behind that Miele. It's almost like that carpet had not been vacuumed for months even after the S7 had vacuumed for a full 2 minutes before the Kirby had a go.

 


Post# 325786 , Reply# 29   5/26/2015 at 11:13 (3,256 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Sorry Tayyab, I should have been more specific. I was actually talking about the Dyson and the S7, not the Kirby and the S7.



Post# 325787 , Reply# 30   5/26/2015 at 11:20 (3,256 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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In an attempt to keep this conversation from being yet another [expletive] Kirby thread, lets discuss the pro's and con's of the S7 vs. the Dyson. These are just off the top of my head, I'm sure others will have their own input.

Dyson Pro's

 

- bagless, so few running costs
- lightweight in operation

- additional tools and replacements are cheaper to buy

 

Dyson con's:

 

- can be messy to maintain with filters and bins

- average carpet performance compared with some other top end uprights

- difficult to get under low furniture

 

Miele pro's:

 

- bags tend to be more hygenic

- fantastic carpet performance

- variable power for multi surface and above floor cleaning

- more solid build quality
- large cleaner head covering more surface area

 

Miele con's:

 

 - difficult to repair

 - can be expensive on parts

 - bags and filters will have to be replaced over time, so there is more running cost
 - heavy to lift
- large cleaner head can be difficult to maneuver

 

Both cleaners have swivel action, full stair stretch hoses, strong hose suction and good tools.


Post# 325788 , Reply# 31   5/26/2015 at 11:41 (3,256 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

It's fine Chris :) Looking at that I can see there are things I like about both the Dyson and the Miele. I think I will try and see if I can get a really low price on the Miele as I haven't used one before

Post# 325804 , Reply# 32   5/26/2015 at 15:05 (3,256 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
I still think

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You should give it a shot. I'm not sure what they sell for over there, but I do know the model i have sells for like 600. So to me it looks like a good bargain.

Post# 325808 , Reply# 33   5/26/2015 at 16:20 (3,256 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

How quiet are they on the lowest setting? Are they like that quiet enough to talk quietly?:D

Post# 325809 , Reply# 34   5/26/2015 at 16:37 (3,256 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Hmmm...

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On the lowest setting you should be able to talk over it, if you have the brushroll off, the brushroll is probably the loudest thing on it. According to this video from Vacuum Wizard it's range is 65-75db

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Post# 325831 , Reply# 35   5/26/2015 at 20:52 (3,255 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Where is the hose on a Kirby though? Does it stay on board?

Post# 325841 , Reply# 36   5/27/2015 at 01:48 (3,255 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The Kirby hose is not on the machine.To use it-you have to remove the floor nozzle-then attach the hose to the machine.I really DON'T like hoses and attachments on the machine-makes it cumbersome,awkward,heavier.I use a canister machine for the "hose&Bag" jobs.Its really easier than using the upright as a canister-with some-including the Meile-using the hose as a canister is like dancing with a drunk.The machine wants to try to tip.The stretch hose is awkward.The hose on board and wand is good for cobwebs in corners and baseboards,though.I own a Meile S7-kinda don't fully beleive the video of the Meile and Kirby.BOTH are competent machines.What speed was the Meile set for?Was its bag full?Was there a clog in the hose?I do like the Kirbys better than the Meile.I just think something was wrong with the Meile in the video.And the dark setting makes me wonder.Lets turn on some LIGHTS,please,when we video!Cameras need LIGHT to work!

Post# 325844 , Reply# 37   5/27/2015 at 04:24 (3,255 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

"I really DON'T like hoses and attachments on the machine-makes it cumbersome,awkward,heavier"

Except for Dyson uprights, the hoses are tucked away neatly at the back as it doesn't even have a hose! :)


Post# 325889 , Reply# 38   5/27/2015 at 22:03 (3,254 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I can't really see why you would come to such an opinion, Tayyab. Most hoses and tools are lighter than a kilogram when put altogether. Its no as if they are saddling the upright with heavier components. The Miele S7, granted has more durable fittings but you'll soon realise the worth that it has if you get the vacuum.

Post# 325925 , Reply# 39   5/28/2015 at 12:54 (3,254 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Nar, Tayyab was answering Tolivac in an earlier post.

 

Tolivac wrote:  "I really DON'T like hoses and attachments on the machine-makes it cumbersome,awkward,heavier" .

 

Post# 325948 , Reply# 40   5/28/2015 at 17:56 (3,254 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh sorry Tayyab and thank you Stan.

I can't really see why you would come to such an opinion, Tolivac. Most hoses and tools are lighter than a kilogram when put altogether. Its no as if they are saddling the upright with heavier components.
 tongue-out


Post# 325949 , Reply# 41   5/28/2015 at 17:58 (3,254 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Thank you Stan and Narayan it's fine, lol :)

Post# 325999 , Reply# 42   5/29/2015 at 03:15 (3,253 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I will stand behind that opinion--The hose and tools DO make the machine heavier and more awkward.Just my feelings-If you like the tools and hose aboard the machine-so be it.For me a canister machine is a lot easier.If the hose is used all of the time the machine is used-it is prone to clogging when the machine is used as an upright.I like SIMPLE airpaths!NO CLOGGING!You can do your vacuuming without having to stop and clear hose jams.

Post# 326000 , Reply# 43   5/29/2015 at 04:02 (3,253 days old) by Turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        
Tolivac

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I hardly think its fair to use a blanket statement about on board tool vacs being bulky and awkward to use when that description also fits kirby, royals, bisons et al which dont have tools on but are not very pleasant to use for many people.

Also nor is it fair to say the hoses clog when they blatantly dont with normal sensible use.

Plenty of streamlined upright vacs have been designed in europe and are a pleasure to use and this has been the case for over 35 years now.

I think a few people on here need to grow up, first we had those touting Dyson as being the best and its funny how the tables turned when they started opening their minds and using other cleaners.

Lets just give this kirby thing a break - they dont work for a good many people INCLUDING collectors who can see the flaws. Theres some pretty good vacs out there but none are perfect.


Post# 326002 , Reply# 44   5/29/2015 at 05:38 (3,253 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Theres some pretty good vacs out there but none are perfect

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Amen to that!

 

I've yet to find a perfect vacuum, you just have to find the right balance. There is NO vacuum in the world without it's design flaws.


Post# 326004 , Reply# 45   5/29/2015 at 06:40 (3,253 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Come to the vac place out my way---plenty of clogged on board hoses!Yes,folks try to pick up what they shouldn't but the hoses do accumilate sand and such.The loop in the hose is where the sand collects or it clogs.I find my non hose and tools on board vacuums are my go to machines-the hose and tools on board machines stay at the end of the pile.I use them occasionally.The better hose machines have the selector that allows the hose only to be used when you need to use it-not all of the time.

Post# 326342 , Reply# 46   6/3/2015 at 09:00 (3,248 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I can't be bothered with the "selector." If you are going to use a hose there should be no need to change a setting, but then I'm used to more modern European uprights NOW that don't have switches "to use a hose."

Vintage wise when I think of vacuums I had when I first started collecting, I think there were 2 uprights that had a selector to use tools/hose and that was on a Hoover Turbopower and much later the Electrolux Z500. The Hoover didn't stay long with me, not because of that function alone but rather because I preferred the clean air design of the TP2/3 series. Also I think that particularly Turbopower used to clog because of the poor arrangement of the side hose usage location. It had little to do with the hose.

I was rather late on when I bought an Electrolux Z517. That was an eye opener; beautifully quiet and such a simple machine to use. The first of the clean air uprights that also had a selector at the back, but again, this was back in the day when uprights didn't have tools on board, or if they did exist they weren't exactly cheap to buy. I hardly used the hose when I eventually bought one for the Z517.

Upright owners shouldn't require a selector in my experience; the hose should be a grab and go function. I think the unnecessary selector just causes problems.

Last year when I bought a Zanussi AirSpeed upright, it too has an old fashioned 'floors to hose" selector and I found that whilst it was neccesary to use to allow suction airflow to occur, the side turn wheel could be adjusted for easier gliding rather than actual hose use; a factor that didn't seem to be mentioned in the user manual.



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