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Thread Number: 28570
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update...Got to see my first Riccar canister today. |
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Post# 318995 , Reply# 1 3/21/2015 at 22:48 (3,317 days old) by sleepdoc  (St. Louis, MO) |
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Either one
You'd be fine with either the Pristine or the Immaculate. The Immaculate has the same size power nozzle as the Pristine, but the Immaculate's pn has three rows of bristles, compared to Pristine's 2 rows. The Immaculate also had a dirt sensor on the poewr nozzle that works very well and power and speed controls on the hose handle. The Immaculate is hundres of dollars more expensive, but if you like the extra features, it's a really great vacuum. But, so is the Pristine, for that matter. You can't lose if you're choosing between the two.
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| Post# 319110 , Reply# 2 3/23/2015 at 10:44 (3,315 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county) | ||
The Prima has a very long 9 foot hose. Since it can be had with any Tacony built power nozzle, it's a great machine to have. Light weight, very quiet and powerful. No circuit board to fail. Huge bag capacity with plastic self closing collar like an intensive clean miele bag collar.
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| Post# 319111 , Reply# 3 3/23/2015 at 10:46 (3,315 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Love the wonder's color. Like a model G Electrolux
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| Post# 319113 , Reply# 4 3/23/2015 at 10:52 (3,315 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Has the Prima been discontinued? Is it the Pizzaz now? Can't see a prima on the Riccar website. This post was last edited 03/23/2015 at 11:16 | ||
| Post# 319251 , Reply# 6 3/24/2015 at 17:05 (3,314 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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| Post# 319265 , Reply# 8 3/24/2015 at 19:15 (3,314 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Call Tom at the museum he can ship | ||
| Post# 319295 , Reply# 9 3/25/2015 at 09:57 (3,313 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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The very moment they are available at the Factory Outlet Store for me to sell, I will let everyone know. Just yesterday, the factory was building the Power Nozzle with the Dirt Sensor light for the Prima and Wonder machines. The Prima and Wonder use a unique neck on the power nozzle, allowing the hose to connect directly without the wand. It's different than any other canister we make. Please bear with us just a little while longer - I promise it's worth the wait.
This is a picture of the two Wonder models (one is straight suction only, and one is a power nozzle model). All the Wonder models (and Prima as well) that have run on the 'treadmill' have exceeded their 1000 hour motor life test without a single fail. Marketing has the final say as to the official launch - but trust me - as someone who has helped with the design of this machine from when it was nothing more than an idea on a piece of paper - It's WORTH THE WAIT.
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| Post# 319296 , Reply# 10 3/25/2015 at 10:03 (3,313 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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It's a real shame we can't get them in the UK. :-( | ||
| Post# 319299 , Reply# 11 3/25/2015 at 10:12 (3,313 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Could they try sell a few 240v models on QVC over here? | ||
| Post# 319303 , Reply# 12 3/25/2015 at 11:32 (3,313 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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| Post# 319305 , Reply# 13 3/25/2015 at 11:41 (3,313 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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That's true. Maybe I will. :-) | ||
| Post# 319359 , Reply# 14 3/26/2015 at 14:16 (3,312 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Oh happy day. This is my fellow coworker, Tina, doing the final quality control check on the prima models. That is the dark blue one. They will be available for sale next week. I will have pricing on Tuesday and we should be able to start shipping then.
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| Post# 319360 , Reply# 15 3/26/2015 at 14:24 (3,312 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan ) | ||
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| Post# 319380 , Reply# 16 3/26/2015 at 16:41 (3,312 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Can't wait | ||
| Post# 319384 , Reply# 18 3/26/2015 at 16:52 (3,312 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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| Post# 319614 , Reply# 20 3/29/2015 at 07:12 (3,309 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan ) | ||
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Does anybody | ||
| Post# 319617 , Reply# 21 3/29/2015 at 08:21 (3,309 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
Riccar was a Japanese sewing machine company that sold sewing machines and vacuums at sewing centres in North America.
See link below: CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK | ||
| Post# 319709 , Reply# 22 3/30/2015 at 10:17 (3,308 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Many people would buy the straight suction machine because they do not have wall-to-wall carpets. They may buy a turbo brush for their throw rugs, but the Wow attachment Will be the one they fall in love with. Replacement microfiber pads come in a box of three. They are inexpensive. Since they are washable, it is unlikely you would have to replace one anytime soon.
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| Post# 319765 , Reply# 23 3/31/2015 at 03:21 (3,307 days old) by jkbff (Dickinson, ND) | ||
Just to clear up any misunderstandings... Like all of the other canisters from Tacony that AREN'T the Immaculate/Impeccable Moxie/Gusto, they are not made in America. The power nozzles are made in America, but the canisters are not. The prima/wonder is not made in America.
Riccar/Simplicity currently only makes the Immaculate/Impeccable Moxie/Gusto in America. The dealer that said they were in a shipping container waiting for the harbor strike was not blowing smoke... That means the Pizzaz, Charisma, Pristine, Starbright, Moonlight, Sunburst, Verve, Cinch, Snap, Jessie, Jack and Jill are not made in America. Not all dealers are out to trick you. | ||
| Post# 319814 , Reply# 24 3/31/2015 at 14:38 (3,307 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Obviously these are not sitting in a container ship anywhere. But are on the factory assembly line. Getting a complete inspection and teardown then reassembly. They have to be 100% perfect before they leave.
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| Post# 319815 , Reply# 25 3/31/2015 at 14:39 (3,307 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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The wonder and prima have a cord winder built exactly like an Electrolux model 1205. Wonder who showed the engineering department that???
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| Post# 319816 , Reply# 26 3/31/2015 at 14:40 (3,307 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Primas all boxed and ready for The warehouse. All of these pallets of machines were completed during the first hour of work this morning.
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| Post# 319824 , Reply# 27 3/31/2015 at 16:49 (3,307 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan ) | ||
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| Post# 319828 , Reply# 28 3/31/2015 at 16:58 (3,307 days old) by fantomfan (Rochester, New York) | ||
But, that shows that they care about QUALITY! | ||
| Post# 319830 , Reply# 29 3/31/2015 at 16:59 (3,307 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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No that shows the tough | ||
| Post# 319843 , Reply# 30 3/31/2015 at 18:45 (3,307 days old) by fantomfan (Rochester, New York) | ||
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I'm tempted to get one as well. | ||
| Post# 319903 , Reply# 32 4/1/2015 at 10:17 (3,306 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Tacony has an awesome quality control department. The initial run of machines, which were entirely Tacony's design, are made in China (but NOT by King Clean - makers of Eureka and Hoover). Like the full size canister lineup, which had its manufacturing brought back to the USA from Korea - if sales go as expected the company will have to make them here in America. Canister sales are very slow compared to uprights. Most people in America don't buy canisters. But if the Prima/Wonder sell as well as expected, the company won't be able to import them and inspect them fast enough - and will have to make them here. That's always been the plan.
Today, they are working on the straight suction models. Every single one comes out of the box, is torn down to screws, and reassembled. Every seal, every gasket has to be perfect. There's no way we want someone to get a machine that is any way not 100% the best we can give them. If you pair a Prima/Wonder with the deluxe full size power nozzle (with triple row extruded aluminum brush roller and dirt sensor light) - you have the best cleaning canister you can buy. | ||
| Post# 319904 , Reply# 33 4/1/2015 at 10:31 (3,306 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Do you prefer them to your Rainbow Tom? | ||
| Post# 319974 , Reply# 35 4/1/2015 at 16:23 (3,306 days old) by danorob1 (Central New Jersey) | ||
Hi Tom...
I must admits, I was under the assumption that they were being manufactured at the Tacony Plant as well… Not that it really matters - I do understand that with anything from oversea's, you get what you pay for… Spend a fair amount, get a good product - Spend a little, get a junk product - Tom - I know you said the TOL canisters are US made - Are the Uprights ? Now I have to ask - How do they manage to tear down and reassemble the Prima/Wonders without scratching them all up? It must be a very labor intensive Job - One Last Question - Does anyone have an image of the Riccar Hand Help Pet Power Brush? I could not find it on the Riccar or Simplicity Site - Thanks - Dan P. | ||
| Post# 320009 , Reply# 36 4/1/2015 at 22:00 (3,306 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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I am assuming then that the tear down, re-assemble process is necessary so they can legally say "Assembled in the U.S.A. from globally sourced parts"
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| Post# 320012 , Reply# 37 4/1/2015 at 22:27 (3,306 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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100% Wrong ... | ||
| Post# 320055 , Reply# 39 4/2/2015 at 10:55 (3,305 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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| Post# 320073 , Reply# 41 4/2/2015 at 12:14 (3,305 days old) by jkbff (Dickinson, ND) | ||
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... I guess I'm not understanding what the point of this is?
Tacony receives product from its supplier, the product is removed from the packaging, inspected to make sure the components Tacony paid for is in the unit and assembled as designed, the product is then re-packaged, a little dot is placed on the box to indicate that the process has been done, the product is put on another pallet and sent to dealers awaiting the product. They are doing this because they are paying for a product and want to make sure they are receiving what they paid for. They are doing this because dealers are paying for a product and they want to make sure they receive what they are paying for. They do this because customers are paying for a product and they want to make sure they receive what they pay for and that the end customer has pleasurable experience with the product. This isn't some garage where people are just taking a product and stamping a different label on it and sending it back out. Tacony is investing in this product line, they are trying to get the line launched and if it proves to be successful they are going to produce it in their own factories with their own machines ran by their own staff. TTi is just NOW figuring this out with the Cookeville plant. Hoover is having to bring the Insights in, manually inspect them and, on occasion, rebuild them. Their suppliers are not giving them a product that they are paying for. Tacony has had suppliers screw too many things up for them to blindly trust the product. They've learned from that. Also, keep in mind, these units need to have the power heads placed in the boxes as well. The power heads are manufactured in house and Tacony has complete control over them. | ||
| Post# 320077 , Reply# 42 4/2/2015 at 12:20 (3,305 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Then why don't they just build it in the US in the first place???? | ||
| Post# 320090 , Reply# 44 4/2/2015 at 13:26 (3,305 days old) by jkbff (Dickinson, ND) | ||
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I very clearly mentioned it:
"Tacony receives product from its supplier, the product is removed from the packaging, inspected to make sure the components Tacony paid for is in the unit and assembled as designed, the product is then re-packaged, a little dot is placed on the box to indicate that the process has been done, the product is put on another pallet and sent to dealers awaiting the product." Inspected to make sure the components Tacony paid for is in the unit and assembled as designed. What does that mean? Open the box and take a peak? They take the machines apart and make sure they are manufactured to their specs. ... Do you guys understand what it takes to produce a product like this? The injection molds, the heat stamp templates, the tooling, the staffing, the paint booth stands etc? The millions of dollars? They worked on the design for the past few years, did the 3d printing prototypes, got everything approved and sent the design in for the mold. Ok, now they need to make the product... If Tacony's production is already in full gear, where do you expect the production for the Prima/Wonder line to take place and when? If this product is successful, they have to expand. That doesn't happen over night. A bit of ROI needs to be met first. As for that quip about Toyota... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy... | ||
| Post# 320100 , Reply# 46 4/2/2015 at 14:13 (3,305 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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All Tacony uprights are made in the USA. The full size canisters are made in the USA. The Prima/Wonder models are made (for now) overseas. But as a company, Tacony wants only the best, most perfect machine to leave the warehouse. The Prima/Wonder comes by itself - no tools - from the factory where they are made (for now). The first thing that happens is Quality Control disassembles them and inspects them. They are reassembled, and boxed with hose, wand, and attachments as well as instruction manual. The Power Nozzles are made in the USA and boxed separately.
The plan has ALWAYS been, once sales reach a level where the tooling (which Tacony OWNS) can be brought to the USA, the machine will be made here. You have to understand that more than 90% of sales is of uprights. Canisters are the low man on the totem pole. The Prima/Wonder is set to replace 8 models of canisters. That will boost sales of the Prima/Wonder in and of itself. It will be a corporate decision as to how many canisters we have to sell in order for the very expensive tooling to be brought "in house'. Right now, the two canister assembly lines are busy making sure that the Prima/Wonder are perfect in every way. So far, there have been no problems - but we simply cannot trust the Chinese. We HAVE to be sure, after all, these are NOT sold like Hoovers at Wal-Mart. They are sold by dealers - and the last thing a dealer wants is to do warranty work on a machine that was made defectively. I'm VERY proud of the Prima/Wonder. It was designed in the Vacuum Cleaner Museum from ideas used by the best vacuums ever made. The model G Electrolux had the most influence on the design. Note to Marcus: My Rainbow is my "good vacuum". It runs as an air purifier most of the year. The Wonder prototype gets put through the ringer for the really dirty jobs, like the garage and automobile. Like most collectors, I have a number of vacuums at home to choose from. | ||
| Post# 320101 , Reply# 47 4/2/2015 at 14:17 (3,305 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Joshua | ||
| Post# 320105 , Reply# 49 4/2/2015 at 14:52 (3,305 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I'm with Harley :-) | ||
| Post# 320107 , Reply# 50 4/2/2015 at 14:53 (3,305 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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I knew all along where they are made Tom is
A VERY good friend of mine , I said they are Not In a shipping container because I KNEW they were at the Tacony factory Tom has been keeping me posted on them ever since he mentioned it . See you are WRONG again 😉 he has NEVER said they were USA MADE .
I will be purchasing that plus any other vacuum my heart desires ❤️❤️❤️ Dan | ||
| Post# 320108 , Reply# 51 4/2/2015 at 14:56 (3,305 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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Back peddle Danny You said ". . .they are made in St.James at Tacony ." | ||
| Post# 320109 , Reply# 52 4/2/2015 at 14:57 (3,305 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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I'm very excited about this machine, but I never said the canister was made in the USA. There ARE an awful lot of Americans who have a good factory job, either making the power nozzles and attachments, or working in Quality Control, or on the assembly lines packing them. 16 people on two assembly lines work on the disassembly, inspection, and reassembly of just the canister itself. Americans had to make the boxes and print the instruction manuals, stock the parts into the warehouse, ship machines, etc. Unlike Hoover or Eureka (for example), we do NOT just put a Chinese product on the shelf at Wal-Mart and expect the ultimate consumer to be the final inspector.
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| Post# 320111 , Reply# 53 4/2/2015 at 15:03 (3,305 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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Tom, Dan You both know I respect you. But honestly, "Look honey, the instruction manual was printed in the U.S., it must be good"; just doesn't cut it. | ||
| Post# 320118 , Reply# 54 4/2/2015 at 15:21 (3,305 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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If I did
I misspoke , Tom has always said and told me where they were made I know Tacony is an amazing company the cares as I am a former Simplicity dealer .
I was a Miele dealer also and they did not care about anything but how many machines I sold and ordered from them . I still have the first Tacony full sized canister S36L or S38 can't remember but it's the green one pictures on my thread made in Asia and I have never had a problem I think I have owned mine since 2000 or so It was when they were first brought out . Dan This post was last edited 04/02/2015 at 15:42 | ||
| Post# 320126 , Reply# 55 4/2/2015 at 15:49 (3,305 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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| Post# 320127 , Reply# 56 4/2/2015 at 15:54 (3,305 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I get it. The more expensive Riccars they build in the US the cheaper Riccars they build in China to maximise profits. It's quite simple to understand | ||
| Post# 320131 , Reply# 57 4/2/2015 at 16:23 (3,305 days old) by danorob1 (Central New Jersey) | ||
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Holy Crap - I thought I asked a simple question…
Did not mean to stir up a hornets nest - It was partially my fault for ASSUMING that it was made stateside… I do agree with the other Dan - I do not ever remember Tom saying it was made in the states - I just assumed - And we all see what happens when one assumes!!! Thank you for the answers Tom - I am really sorry that this got so out of hand today !!! I personally can not wait to get my Prima - It seems to address all the issues I have had with all the other daily drivers that I ended up hating and giving away to friends and family… And - Did anyone find a picture of the Riccar Mini hand held pet power nozzle ? | ||
| Post# 320133 , Reply# 58 4/2/2015 at 16:51 (3,305 days old) by jkbff (Dickinson, ND) | ||
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This one?
riccar.com/fur-get-it-pet-hair-re... Or the new electric nozzle? If you mean the electric one its this one (riccar.com/handheld-electric-brus...) with a neck made for the prima/wonder. | ||
| Post# 320135 , Reply# 59 4/2/2015 at 17:01 (3,305 days old) by danorob1 (Central New Jersey) | ||
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| Post# 320142 , Reply# 61 4/2/2015 at 18:14 (3,305 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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| Post# 320143 , Reply# 62 4/2/2015 at 18:21 (3,305 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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We already knew But thanks.
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| Post# 320145 , Reply# 63 4/2/2015 at 18:47 (3,305 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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| Post# 320148 , Reply# 64 4/2/2015 at 18:58 (3,305 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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HARLEY FOR THE ONE MILLIONTH TIME
I DID NOT THINK THEY WERE MADE IN AMERICA I SAID I MIS-SPOKE PLEASE READ WHAT I SAID I REALLY THINK YOUR TRYING TO START TROUBLE WITH THAT NASTY COMMENT WHEN YOU KNOW I CORRECTED MYSELF MY GOD I GUESS I DO NEED CRAYONS AND CONSTRUTION PAPER .
I AM DONE WITH THIS THREAD STOP THE NONSENSE AND I WILL BUY MY ASIAN BUILT AMERICAN INSPECTED AMERICAN BUILT POWERNOZZLE HIGH QUALITY RICCAR PRIMA . DAN | ||
| Post# 320160 , Reply# 66 4/2/2015 at 20:09 (3,305 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Jealousy | ||
| Post# 320161 , Reply# 67 4/2/2015 at 20:11 (3,305 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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Not Jealous Fed UP! with the arrogance, and ego. Judging from all the private messages I'm getting---I'm not alone.
Oh-OH did you see how many views I got?? I'm so wonderful. | ||
| Post# 320171 , Reply# 68 4/2/2015 at 21:04 (3,305 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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You need to
Realize that I said I was wrong by saying it was made in the USA that was wrong of you to continually bring that up and ignore my correction. Plus the fact that your mocking me I have done none of that to you .
I am sick and tired of people constantly bashing a brand because it's not made in america people need to get over it China will always be around as long as prices remain high in this country for manufacturers to compete . China builds quality products for companies that pay more than something that is produced cheaper . If we don't pay our debt to China we will become the new China we owe China billions of dollars . When it comes to American jobs and people who sell and work at these factories Tacony KIRBY who ever I will defend those companies I purchase these products to support my fellow Americans. I think you went a little too far with this when everyone explained it to you in detail Tacony is an amazing company and their quality control is far superior to many other companies. I am a passionate vacuum collector enthusiest and like many brands I openly will say if I don't like a brand but I end it there . I NEVER claim to know everything but I know a lot as I have managed worked in and owned a vacuum shop plus an extensive collection . I am no way being nasty I just tell it like it is and some people take it the wrong way . Dan | ||
| Post# 320172 , Reply# 69 4/2/2015 at 21:23 (3,305 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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And for now I will be like Barbara Walters Who always lets........ | ||
| Post# 320179 , Reply# 71 4/2/2015 at 22:40 (3,305 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Well said Jeff | ||
| Post# 320190 , Reply# 72 4/3/2015 at 01:29 (3,305 days old) by jkbff (Dickinson, ND) | ||
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| Post# 320209 , Reply# 73 4/3/2015 at 08:37 (3,304 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
I claim to be no expert when it comes to economics, or how businesses should run efficiently or whatever, but are you saying Tacony, the people who build the lower end Riccar canisters, have them made in China, just for them to be sent over to the states to be stripped down again, checked and reassembled, a powerhead put in the box and then stamped "Assembled in the USA"? Don't think you have to be a genius to realise that is very inefficient; time and cost consuming, and the end consumer will undoubtedly be affected, not receiving the products quick enough or at the correct price.
I know lots of people have said this already, but surely that is common sense? Either those quality control producers could have been carried out at the factories in China, or better still, why doesn't all the production just move to the States? I understand that Riccar want to see if this model does do well, and if it does they will be produced their, but as it stands, seems a lot effort for nothing. Surely, making the most of that facility in Missouri by actually manufacturing them there is much more efficient for everyone, and then there is no shame or embarrassment by saying "assembled in the USA", rather it could be stamped "Made in the USA". Either way, lets just hope these cylinders do well so the manufacturing of them can be bought back to the US. I think it would be really good if Riccar would sell in the UK or Europe. Their uprights looks fantastic. | ||
| Post# 320221 , Reply# 74 4/3/2015 at 10:09 (3,304 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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The lower end canisters are not stamped "made in the USA", only the power nozzle which IS made in the USA. The lower end canisters say "made in china" on the model info plate. All the uprights are made in the USA.
There is such a high cost to produce a new model in the USA, for such low sales numbers. Canisters sell the least in the USA. Most people buy and use uprights. A canister has to be 'sold' to a prospect. Even then, many people have returned Miele canisters after having bought one because of the in-store demo. Once they actually try to clean with a canister, after having had uprights, many people are dissatisfied. To produce the Wonder/Prima in house, Tacony would need to invest in injection molding machines in addition to the large number they already have - making upright bodies and parts. Two new injection molding machines would run several million dollars. All the canisters Tacony sells that are made in China (10 different models) are quality checked by stripping them down and then reassembling them. Quality Control is a very high priority. The Prima/Wonder is set to eliminate 8 models, freeing up warehouse space and employee time. When sales of the new model reach a point where it would make sense to invest in the production of the machine in the USA, it will happen. So the first thing to do, if we want to build the canister portion in the USA, is to SELL the heck out of them. Meaning many people who have never used or owned a canister before, need to be shown and sold one. I know high volume dealers who sell 1000 uprights in one year, and only 5 canisters. That has to change. The only way to change that, is to change people's minds about using a canister vacuum cleaner. | ||
| Post# 320224 , Reply# 75 4/3/2015 at 10:23 (3,304 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 320230 , Reply# 77 4/3/2015 at 11:09 (3,304 days old) by rosiembanks (Dayton, OH) | ||
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Question: Is the Prima eligible for Red Carpet service? | ||
| Post# 320273 , Reply# 78 4/3/2015 at 13:20 (3,304 days old) by jkbff (Dickinson, ND) | ||
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| Post# 320290 , Reply# 79 4/3/2015 at 16:21 (3,304 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Prima/Wonder will not be selling at the price point where Red Carpet Service can be part of the warranty. Red Carpet Service is usually on models well in the $700 to $1400 range. The Prima/Wonder do have a three year bumper to bumper warranty.
I spoke with KirbyloverDan today on the phone, and he reminded me that our UK and European members are so used to canister vacuums being available for sale and used extensively, it's odd for them to think that virtually all places vacuums are available in the US have uprights exclusively. Wal-Mart is the biggest retailer of vacuums, and none of the large Super Centers carry canisters that I'm aware of. Even at that, Best Buy and Lowes only carry two canister brands, Samsung and the Dyson with turbo brush head. Only Sears carries full size power nozzle equipped canister vacuums, and Sears is heading for bankruptcy and retail death. In the USA today, probably only 1 in 100 vacuums used in homes is a canister. | ||
| Post# 320350 , Reply# 84 4/4/2015 at 09:51 (3,303 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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This is how
Your turn an upright into an efficient canister vacuum. There's no particular reason for the vast majority of Americans to buy canisters, even those who use their attachments all the time. This photo is of the wonderful, and virtually bullet-proof model Simplicity 7850.
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| Post# 320351 , Reply# 85 4/4/2015 at 10:07 (3,303 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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Post# 320424 , Reply# 86 4/4/2015 at 19:18 (3,303 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana) |
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Tom that has been one of my favorite Simplicity models to date! I love my 7850 and it gets used just about all the time. It is one of my go to machines that never lets me down. | ||
| Post# 321111 , Reply# 88 4/9/2015 at 14:07 (3,298 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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I sold three Prima canisters today. Today was the first day they were available for sale to the public. I saved the first four off the assembly line for fellow vacuum collectors. All three that I sold, were to people came in looking for an upright vacuum cleaner.
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| Post# 321168 , Reply# 89 4/9/2015 at 15:59 (3,298 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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What a gorgeous | ||
| Post# 321172 , Reply# 90 4/9/2015 at 16:00 (3,298 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 321197 , Reply# 91 4/9/2015 at 18:41 (3,298 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 321204 , Reply# 92 4/9/2015 at 19:26 (3,298 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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| Post# 321213 , Reply# 93 4/9/2015 at 21:29 (3,298 days old) by DANOROB1 (Central New Jersey) | ||
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| Post# 321214 , Reply# 94 4/9/2015 at 21:50 (3,298 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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That's because NJ RULES | ||
| Post# 321248 , Reply# 95 4/10/2015 at 10:14 (3,297 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN) | ||
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"how did you convince 3 upright users"? Looks like a great canister. On the 3 customers-what were ages,type of home,previous canister experience,items cleaned in hands on demo,bag/bagless preference,etc.? | ||
| Post# 321254 , Reply# 96 4/10/2015 at 11:14 (3,297 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Two couples came into the Museum to see it, and I gave them a guided tour. Which is really a sales presentation, but they don't realize it. In the 1910's room, I commented on the Royal model 1, which I demoed, being able to clean both the area rugs and (with the slide on nozzle brush) bare floors as well. Both couples told me they had hardwood floors and a few large area rugs. Neither couple had wall to wall carpet. Only one of the two couples had a vacuum cleaner. The one couple threw away their upright when the hardwood floors were installed.
As the tour proceeded, we talked about the Electrolux of the 1930's. How it was so popular in the South because it could clean bare floors AND do the dusting. This brought us to a discussion of the superiority of canisters over uprights for multi-tasking. By the 1950's room, the discussion of canister design came into play. By the time we got to the 60's and 70's room, I talked about how much better the dual motor power nozzle canisters were - how the use of one motor didn't take away from the performance of the other. At the very end of the tour, when I was showing the current models in the Factory Outlet Store, of course the Prima is front and center. Since the entire thing was designed with the aid of the Museum, it was a very easy and natural thing to show them what vintage cleaner each part of the Prima was 'copied' from. Both couples bought a Prima with the Compact Power Nozzle (they would have had no need for the Full Size nozzle - it's heavy and with no wall to wall rugs, unnecessary). The WOW bare floor tool was the 'trigger' for the one couple to say YES. The other couple's trigger (the people with no vacuum at all) was the ability to dust without a dust rag. She stated that their house was very dusty (with no carpets, it would be - nothing to hold down dust). The third sale was to a woman who broke the nozzle release button on her Fuller Brush Spiffy Maid broom vacuum. She has all bare floors and just two smaller area rugs. Instead of fixing the Spiffy Maid (which was under warranty), I got her interested in the straight suction Prima. The Spiffy Maid has no wand or attachments, and she wanted to reach the leaves that fall off her house plants. I fixed her Spiffy Maid (she's keeping it for the kitchen) and she bought the Prima for everything else. None of those three new Prima owners had ever bought a canister vacuum, although one had used a canister when she was a teenager (she thought it was a Compact by the shape). | ||
| Post# 321258 , Reply# 97 4/10/2015 at 11:49 (3,297 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan ) | ||
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Just ordered my Prima | ||
| Post# 321268 , Reply# 98 4/10/2015 at 13:20 (3,297 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 321323 , Reply# 99 4/10/2015 at 22:11 (3,297 days old) by PoconoVacMan (Northeast Pennsylvania) | ||
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| Post# 321558 , Reply# 100 4/12/2015 at 11:00 (3,295 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
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| Post# 321563 , Reply# 101 4/12/2015 at 11:07 (3,295 days old) by HVRVACLVR (Altoona PA) | ||
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| Post# 321599 , Reply# 102 4/12/2015 at 12:58 (3,295 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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| Post# 321605 , Reply# 103 4/12/2015 at 13:26 (3,295 days old) by HVRVACLVR (Altoona PA) | ||
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| Post# 321697 , Reply# 104 4/12/2015 at 19:42 (3,295 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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| Post# 321701 , Reply# 105 4/12/2015 at 19:52 (3,295 days old) by HVRVACLVR (Altoona PA) | ||
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| Post# 322266 , Reply# 106 4/17/2015 at 09:03 (3,290 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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Tom, just wondering something....the dark green straight suction canister on the right....does it have the PN receptacle built in to upgrade to the electric hose/wand/powerhead? Reason I ask is although the light green powerhead model on the right side is nice, I would personally prefer the dark green model instead. So I would want to purchase that one with the electric hose/wand/powerhead, if that's possible.
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| Post# 322276 , Reply# 107 4/17/2015 at 09:48 (3,290 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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The dark green model does not support the power nozzle, as there is no electric wiring going to the hose inlet. My friend, Derreck Fricke, who owns a vac shop and is a Simplicity dealer, ordered one of each model. He switched the upper housings, so he has a dark green power nozzle model now, which he took home to use.
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| Post# 322605 , Reply# 108 4/19/2015 at 22:26 (3,288 days old) by constellation86 (Roy, UT) | ||
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Are there two colors on the Prima like the Wonder has? Also what is the MSRP on these? I don't tend to go for newer machines but these are intriguing. Nicholas | ||
| Post# 322645 , Reply# 109 4/20/2015 at 11:11 (3,287 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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The prima and the wonder each have a power nozzle model and a straight suction model. They are different colors. The manufacturers suggested retail price changes based upon Which of the three power nozzles you get with the premium machine, or whether you get a straight suction rug nozzle or a turbo brush for the straight suction model.
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| Post# 331462 , Reply# 111 8/11/2015 at 09:55 (3,174 days old) by dedede () | ||
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"For example, the suction on a Kirby with attachments is a joke" Lol wat? | ||
| Post# 331467 , Reply# 112 8/11/2015 at 11:52 (3,174 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Comparing the suction of the Kirby with the hose - to a canister - the Kirby is much louder with much less suction. My best friend, and FORMER VCCC member - Clay Floyd - used to tell a story about the man he worked for at the Rainbow office. His boss was shown the newest Kirby, and they put the water lift gauge on it. It pulled 35. Clay's boss said "If my Rainbow pulled 35 on the gauge, I'd take it apart to see what was wrong with it".
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| Post# 331486 , Reply# 113 8/11/2015 at 17:43 (3,174 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 331492 , Reply# 114 8/11/2015 at 18:09 (3,174 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan ) | ||
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| Post# 331502 , Reply# 115 8/11/2015 at 19:27 (3,174 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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This is the ONLY new vacuum ive seen I really like... | ||
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