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Thread Number: 28526
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| Post# 318562 3/17/2015 at 03:50 (3,321 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Does the Kirby have HEPA filtration? Not according to this video. I'm shocked by this :-0 CLICK HERE TO GO TO marcusprit's LINK
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| Post# 318564 , Reply# 1 3/17/2015 at 05:14 (3,321 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
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| Post# 318565 , Reply# 2 3/17/2015 at 05:19 (3,321 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha I'm not saying it's the most accurate test James but it does show particles escaping and none from the other 2 cleaners. I hope the Kirby does have HEPA filtration as I'm considering getting one to use every 2 weeks or so.:-) | ||
| Post# 318567 , Reply# 3 3/17/2015 at 05:36 (3,321 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
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Hi No it doesn't it shows it coming off the bag not through it..... You don't know what bag is fitted inside the Kirby either. They Kirby looks like it's seen the most use as well as the bag has begun to fade. Also he's using it as a demo to sell the Miele. The chances are he sells Dyson's also.
On the G4 instruction video they show you how they test the filtration. They have it in a sealed container and have a tube attached to the nozzle and they measure the amount of particles going in and also count the number of particles coming out .
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| Post# 318568 , Reply# 4 3/17/2015 at 05:44 (3,321 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Oh I'll have to have a look at that. And yes you are probably correct he's trying to flog a few Mieles and Dysons.:-) Oh sales people are so shifty! Haha You can't get more shifty than a Kirby salesman though! :-) This post was last edited 03/17/2015 at 07:01 | ||
| Post# 318576 , Reply# 5 3/17/2015 at 07:09 (3,321 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
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Kirby video manual showing how they test filteration | ||
| Post# 318577 , Reply# 6 3/17/2015 at 07:11 (3,321 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Thanks James. I will have a look now :-) | ||
| Post# 318578 , Reply# 7 3/17/2015 at 07:11 (3,321 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England) | ||
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| Post# 318579 , Reply# 8 3/17/2015 at 07:17 (3,321 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Very interesting. So I was wrong it does have HEPA filtration. That is good to know :-) | ||
| Post# 318600 , Reply# 9 3/17/2015 at 12:24 (3,321 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
 Marcus, I heard from a reliable source that the demo that shows the particle meter measuring particles escaping the Kirby outer bag is a HOAX! You want to know why? The Kirby did not have an inner bag installed! There was no inner bag to catch those particles. So James is correct. There is something very fishy going on in that video. | ||
| Post# 318602 , Reply# 10 3/17/2015 at 12:36 (3,321 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes probably. Damn those shifty sales people :-) You do know Sentria comes from the word Sentus who was the Roman god of shifty sales people. | ||
| Post# 318604 , Reply# 11 3/17/2015 at 12:42 (3,321 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 318644 , Reply# 12 3/17/2015 at 22:58 (3,320 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
HEPA filtration came out with the Kirby G6, but the cool thing is it's all in the inner bags so any Kirby made in the last 30 years or so can receive a quick and easy HEPA upgrade just by putting in a bag. Not too many manufacturers would allow that to happen. Most would make the newer bags incompatible with older models.
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| Post# 318647 , Reply# 13 3/18/2015 at 01:36 (3,320 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 318727 , Reply# 15 3/19/2015 at 01:06 (3,319 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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The bristles on the Kirby brushroll don't get close to the edge but because it produces so much airflow and has suction channels i think it does edge clean. Maybe someone could do a video demonstrating this? | ||
| Post# 318781 , Reply# 16 3/19/2015 at 14:41 (3,319 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 318783 , Reply# 17 3/19/2015 at 14:46 (3,319 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes it does a great job! But I bet you don't agree with him that it is the best cleaner on the market :-) | ||
| Post# 318786 , Reply# 18 3/19/2015 at 14:55 (3,319 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 318787 , Reply# 19 3/19/2015 at 14:58 (3,319 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes the Kirby is more versatile. But it looks like less can go wrong with the Royal being all metal and a simpler design. | ||
| Post# 318789 , Reply# 20 3/19/2015 at 15:10 (3,319 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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The Kirby get a CRI Gold award and the Royal gets a Silver. I wonder why that is? | ||
| Post# 318817 , Reply# 21 3/19/2015 at 19:37 (3,319 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan ) | ||
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| Post# 318870 , Reply# 22 3/20/2015 at 16:07 (3,318 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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There are a few differences I can think of Why Kirby Gets Gold and Royal gets silver. Some of these may not apply to overall CRI rating.
1) Kirby has a more efficient airpath than Royal. Also, Kirby has a 7 amp motor, Royal needs 9 amps to achieve the same airflow.
2) Royal has standard F&G paper bag, while Kirby has cloth HEPA bag = better filtration.
3) Royal commercial has 10 amp motor instead of 9 amp and may also have cloth HEPA bag as standard giving it a Gold rating.)
4) Kirby has easy to operate Toe Touch height control, Royal has Adjust O Rite height control knob which requires you to bend down to adjust height.
5) Kirby has easy to use Belt Lifter which aids in belt and brushroll maintenance. Royal requires you to use separate belt removal tool or use your finger (not easy to do) to remove belt.
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| Post# 318874 , Reply# 23 3/20/2015 at 16:22 (3,318 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 318875 , Reply# 24 3/20/2015 at 16:29 (3,318 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes Nar I've noticed discrepancies too! Seems like there is favouritism going on! | ||
| Post# 318876 , Reply# 25 3/20/2015 at 16:35 (3,318 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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And they are supposed to be using some kind of NASA technology. | ||
| Post# 318877 , Reply# 26 3/20/2015 at 16:40 (3,318 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 318878 , Reply# 27 3/20/2015 at 16:46 (3,318 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes could be the paper bags don't filter as well as Kirby cloth bags. And maybe the aggressive agitation of the royal wears carpet more than the Kirby. Not sure if the commercial royals are less aggressive? But anyway they are both very good cleaners.:-) | ||
| Post# 318879 , Reply# 28 3/20/2015 at 16:48 (3,318 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I'm surprised some of the clean air Riccars get the same gold award as Kirby and a higher award than royal. That doesn't make sense to me. That's why I think there's favouritism going on. | ||
| Post# 318884 , Reply# 29 3/20/2015 at 19:22 (3,318 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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I'm quite sure the Tandem Riccars are the only clean air vacuums that have equal cleaning performance as the Kirby and Royal and also has HEPA filtration so they should also deserve a Gold rating.
My only problem with the Riccars is longevity since they are still mostly plastic despite some metal parts like soleplate and brushroll. I'm not sure that a Riccar will still be running 30 to 50 years from now. | ||
| Post# 318903 , Reply# 31 3/21/2015 at 01:51 (3,317 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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The Tandem motor Riccars yes but they also give the Clean Air motor Riccars a Gold award. | ||
| Post# 318920 , Reply# 32 3/21/2015 at 11:20 (3,317 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 318945 , Reply# 33 3/21/2015 at 15:19 (3,317 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York) | ||
My Anniversary Edition Royal Outcleans any Kirby I've se
At least in my view, the Royal has more airflow and has MUCH stiffer bristles. I compared it to my Ultimate G, which had a new belt and a newer brushroll. With a new belt, the Royal pulls itself across my low piled carpet like it's self-propelled. It is also much lighter. For the Royals that have the F&G style bags, Koblenz makes HEPA cloth bags which will make them filter just fine.
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| Post# 318952 , Reply# 34 3/21/2015 at 15:37 (3,317 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I have a feeling Stan will have something to say about that. Haha | ||
| Post# 318965 , Reply# 35 3/21/2015 at 18:13 (3,317 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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Marcus, you're right, I do have something to say. I have a Kirby sentria with the new extra stiff brushroll in it and it is a BEAST. I also have a Royal 2025 which is fully restored and it has a new brushroll with stiffeners so I know how each machine performs. The Sentria still out performs it. How do I know this?
About 6 months ago I did a test on my own medium height plush carpet with a cup of dry coffee grounds that I rubbed into the carpet with my hands for this test of the Sentria and Royal. I ran one pass forward and one pass back for each machine. To the naked eye it appears that both machines picked up just about all of the coffee. Then I got out my Kirby G3 and installed my Dirtmeter on it. I used white pads in the dirtmeter. I ran the G3 10 passes back and forth with the dirtmeter on it after the Royal. I then changed pads in the dirtmeter and ran another 10 passes after the Sentria test. The Royal had about 100 grains of coffee on it's pad. The Sentria had about 20 grains of coffee. This proves that both machines are about equal in performance with the Sentria maintaining a slight edge. If the Sentria had the standard soft brushroll installed, then the Royal would have probably won on this test. I didn't re-run the test with the soft brushroll in the Sentria.
It's nice to know that Kirby gives you a choice of brushrolls to use in your G5 thru Sentria II depending your type of carpet.
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