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Post# 317940   3/10/2015 at 16:49 (3,333 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Thought I'd try to make a habit of posting up here again!

Did a 40 mile round trip at lunchtime today to pick this up! Have always secretly wanted one ever since they first came out, my mum entered a competition to win one, which sadly we didnt, and she bought a JMB peice of hell from Littlewoods instead.

So, 20 years later, I have fulfilled this small gap in my life

Works very well initially, is missing the belt lifter/blockage removal tool. Instructions are sat on my desk at work, waiting to be scanned.

I know it's pretty rubbish, and it's only a bit of fun, will be a nice refurb though. Even found a brand new genuine pack of bags and filters for it in the shed too! Need some belts though.

When did these first come out? Their not the first version of these are they?


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Post# 317943 , Reply# 1   3/10/2015 at 17:33 (3,333 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        
Nice!

Looks like a very cool machine. I assume that its hose mode with an extension tube for washing only? That's quite cool, would be even nicer if the brushbar could be used for washing, nice find btw! Hope you like it and enjoy refurbishing it 😃 and glad to see you back

Post# 317945 , Reply# 2   3/10/2015 at 18:03 (3,332 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)        
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Mr Sam. Hope your keeping well. I'm sure your new project will keep you busy.

I had one of the first models of these Vax's. 8000 something or another lol. I forget the model. It was blue and orange. I remeber the adverts for them anyway....

 

I rescued that Vax from the side of someones bin. It was around 1997 and the machine had only been out a a few years at that point. I think they came out around 1993/94 but that's only a rough guess.

Anyway I knocked on their front door and asked if I could have it. The guy who answered the door was very friendly and said "Would you like the other bits that go to it?" So I said "Yes please" and he went and fetched all the shampooing parts to it that was still in a box under the stairs.

 

I cleaned it up and got it going. I used it for a while and then sold it on. I remember it was VERY heavy to move around as a shampoo machine.

There was one on ebay a few weeks ago like the one I had but the top of the main handle had snapped off.

 

Let us know how you get on with it.

 

Jamessmile


Post# 317947 , Reply# 3   3/10/2015 at 18:33 (3,332 days old) by seanc (Cambridge, United Kingdom)        

Wow, I remember seeing those! Be interesting to see it set up and working.

Post# 317974 , Reply# 4   3/11/2015 at 08:52 (3,332 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire)        

Here's a video of a Vax New Wave set up and working.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO Sensotronic's LINK


Post# 317981 , Reply# 5   3/11/2015 at 10:40 (3,332 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

It was your video of the black one that prompted me to get this one Roger! It's the sort of machine that, even though I know it's ultimatly not very good, its a peice of history, and interesting enough to have a punt on!

I did a brief bit of vacuuming yesterday and whilst the suction isnt too bad (with old filters and a new bag), the grooming action was non existant. The brushroll isnt the softest I've seen, but I imagine the belts are ruined deep down.

Will set it up for shampooing, and maybe have a cheeky go before refurbishing it. Need a new trigger assembly, and if it cleans up ok I'll treat it to a new solution hose as the one it has is very stained.

8000 rings a bell as the first generation one, I think it was that one that my mum tried to win actually...

I scanned the instruction book in earlier, link below. All it is missing is the maintenance tool sadly, hopefully changing the belts is do-able without it! Will be stripped down and cleaned up, but not for a while as there's some dysons infront of it that I want to get done and sold, I have a U2332 to perform a final polish on so I can call that done and the Electrolux 65 that needs a new hose (will overhaul the Vax first though before that)

Will do a little video of it in use later and link it up. It wont to be to Rogers standard as I cant stand the sound of my own voice, and dont own a tripod!


CLICK HERE TO GO TO beko1987's LINK


Post# 317986 , Reply# 6   3/11/2015 at 11:20 (3,332 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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IIRC, the Vax 3-in-1 uprights were the Eclipse, 8000 series, New Wave, T series and HF series, in that order. All basically the same aside from minor differences, such as tweaks to the filter arrangement and design of the wet cleaning tanks.

These were Vax's attempt at clawing back some of the market share they were missing out on by not having an upright in their range. The whole 3-in-1 canister market was going off the boil a bit by this time as it is, possibly due to a bit of market saturation but also because many people realised they didn't like using one as their everyday vac. So, on paper at least, the Vax upright ticked all the boxes. It still offered the 3-in-1 functionality they were known for, but in a format that was likely to be considered more acceptable for day to day use, and less likely to be relegated to the garage.

My folks had the T1300, which I believe to be identical to your New Wave other than in name. It was very powerful, but unfortunately very noisy and heavy too. The handle isn't quite robust enough for a machine of this heft, and you can feel it torquing in your hand as you push the cleaner. I do think the tank arrangement for wet cleaning is a very clever idea, only let down by the fact that it requires the user to physically move the machine from one spot to another rather than tugging it along by the hose.

Brilliant idea, maybe not that well executed. Definitely a very interesting cleaner though, and I don't think there has been anything else quite like it since. They were never quite as popular as Vax would have hoped, and are only going to get rarer as time goes on, so well worth having in the collection.


Post# 317989 , Reply# 7   3/11/2015 at 11:38 (3,332 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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The grooming performance might improve with new belts, but I don't think the brush roll is great on these to begin with. The bristles on ours seemed quite brittle and wore away very quickly, to the point there was almost nothing left after two years. Vax were asking £35 for a replacement, which my mother seized upon an an excuse to finally get rid of the thing!

Post# 318018 , Reply# 8   3/11/2015 at 17:15 (3,332 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Well I won't be too harsh as I think she's screaming out for new belts but here's a quick video! Had to grab the 1988 u2332 I finished last night to help though...

CLICK HERE TO GO TO beko1987's LINK


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Post# 318067 , Reply# 9   3/12/2015 at 02:20 (3,331 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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Should definitely pick up better than that, so new belts probably would make a vast difference. Although not the most aggressive groomer, I do remember it still cleaned OK. Wouldn't worry too much about not having the "maintenance tool", as it was only a flimsy plastic rod. The belt track on these is quite long and narrow, so you'll have a hard time getting your fingers in there to reach the motor pulley, but any thin implement should do the trick nicely.



Post# 318069 , Reply# 10   3/12/2015 at 03:27 (3,331 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I find it a little weird and strange of it to have a bent shape

Post# 318142 , Reply# 11   3/13/2015 at 09:55 (3,330 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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Always wondered about that too, if it wasn't for the angled body it wouldn't half look like an Elux Contour clone. Possibly the reason was to reduce the machine's footprint when the wet cleaning tanks are installed, because it's already a rather large cleaner to begin with.

Post# 318165 , Reply# 12   3/13/2015 at 16:11 (3,330 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

I have a vague memory of these Vax uprights being subject to a product recall. I think there was something about electrical safety.

Post# 318339 , Reply# 13   3/14/2015 at 18:01 (3,328 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I agree, it has a lux contour/glider about it. Very similar feel to one using it too.

I had the base plate off earlier to see if anything was blocked. It wasn't, but I've picked elastic bands up off the floor when dropped by the postman which had more tension in them! Their laughably rubbish!

The notched brushroll end caps are a pain though, but on the plus side the brushroll is fairly stiff!

Not started it yet, had a dc25 apart earlier so I can get it sold. A dc24 went for a very respectable price on eBay earlier, which was nice


Post# 318428 , Reply# 14   3/15/2015 at 17:45 (3,328 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Well I had it apart today, along with a dc25, and it washed up beautifully, was quite clean really.

Did break 2 small things though, so will have to get the glue out when it goes back together..


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Post# 320798 , Reply# 15   4/7/2015 at 16:18 (3,305 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        
Finally finished

I refurbished this a few weeks ago and have only just written the thread up tonight! Not really played with the wet kit yet apart from sucking up some water, but it's not going to be overwhelmingly good... Is an average dry vac though, it's funkiness making up for it's gerneral un-brilliance...

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Post# 320800 , Reply# 16   4/7/2015 at 16:25 (3,305 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Impressed! Love to see your teardowns/ work

Post# 320805 , Reply# 17   4/7/2015 at 16:33 (3,305 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

*doffs cap* thanks!

Post# 320813 , Reply# 18   4/7/2015 at 16:45 (3,305 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

The early models were subject to countless recalls and modifications. Some of the owners of the Vax 8000 cleaners were even compensated by the offer of a brand-new Vax 4100 canister cleaner in exchange for their upright.

I have to admit that I have never seen or heard of an Eclipse model and I do remember the television commercial for the 8000 mentioning the fact that Vax were now producing upright cleaners as it was what the customer wanted - leaving me thinking the 8000 was the first.

What I always found very odd was that the seperate washing equipment for these cleaners was almost as large and cumbersome to store as the 3 in 1 canister cleaners were, and the water soloution was not pumped either. With this in mind, one may as well have bought a much more convienient upright for daily vacuuming, and a Vax 2000 or 2100 for carpet cleaning. Certainly this would have been easier to use for what ever task was being undertaken.


Post# 320814 , Reply# 19   4/7/2015 at 16:46 (3,305 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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You do very nice, DETAILED work, lets me feel like I am still able to do those kind of things. If that makes any sense. Love to see something saved and not just made to work.

Post# 320826 , Reply# 20   4/7/2015 at 17:42 (3,305 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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I seem to recall the earlier blue Vax uprights came supplied with a wall bracket, on which the wet cleaning tanks could be hung when not in use. They were indeed bulky and awkward to store, and on top of that you had the additional hose and wand to find a home for too.

Another item specific to the uprights was the priming plate. This slid onto the wash tool, sealing off the suction to get the flow of shampoo started. Even the gravity fed canister models didn't need this, as their solution reservoir was pressurised (after a fashion) by the motor exhaust.

The whole setup was rather novel in theory, but incredibly kludgy to set up, use and take down again afterwards. My mum found this to be a huge disappointment, having been under the impression it was simply a case of filling the cleaner up and using it as an upright for shampooing. Had Vax been able to design the machine to work in that manner, it probably would have been far more successful than it actually was.


Post# 320830 , Reply# 21   4/7/2015 at 17:58 (3,304 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

Spiraclean - the very best thing Vax could have done was sold a "package" of a dry-only upright and a wet-only cannister. Their 3-in-1 upright was neither one thing nor another, yet the retail price of it was as high as it was purchasing two cleaners. And yes, I remember the priming plate and the wall bracket well.

Although by the time these cleaners went on sale (1993) sales of Vax cleaners were declining, I always doubted that to be because the consumer wanted an upright machine. Especially when you consider how many die-hard upright owners must have converted to a Vax when they were at their peak. No, I blamed it more on the overall novilty wearing off and the fact that if one wished to borrow a Vax to clean carpets, by that time you didn't need to look far to find a friend or neighbour who had one.


Post# 320848 , Reply# 22   4/7/2015 at 20:58 (3,304 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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True, and that's exactly how it turned out in the end. Fast forward to the present day and the vacuum cleaner and carpet washer are now two completely separate, distinct appliances. Both of which are better at the particular jobs they do, simply by virtue of not trying to be all things to everyone.


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