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Post# 314502   2/4/2015 at 18:36 (3,340 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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First of all she is actually making a video on HOW to clean a sofa! Also, she is actually TRYING to vacuum a sofa with a Hoover Elite, I mean, really?




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Post# 314517 , Reply# 1   2/4/2015 at 19:03 (3,340 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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And? Really, why?

I think the video is perfectly acceptable. I see no reason to why there's a problem to why she is using HER vacuum cleaner. I bet if she had used the other one, you'd not have been able to hear her voice.


Post# 314520 , Reply# 2   2/4/2015 at 19:08 (3,340 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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But, the hose suction is dreadful on those.

Post# 314523 , Reply# 3   2/4/2015 at 19:17 (3,340 days old) by HVRVACLVR (Altoona PA)        

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When I was little, my grandmother had this exact model, she would put the entire vacuum on the couch and vacuumed it like she was vacuuming the living room carpet 😂. then she would use the hose to clean down the sides of cushions.

Post# 314525 , Reply# 4   2/4/2015 at 19:20 (3,340 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well Alex, spare a thought for those who have bought their own home furniture as well as other delicate furnishings such as hanging curtains. Using a high suction vacuum on upholstery is a general no-no unless you want to seriously destroy the actual furniture design.

Only some material can also withstand a moving turbo brush, especially at high speed.

I clean my upholstery using the lowest suction possible - even Miele's suggested upholstery setting on their cylinder vacs are usually the lowest level of suction speed available without opening up the air valve. It makes sense.


Post# 314527 , Reply# 5   2/4/2015 at 19:49 (3,340 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Yes I understand that but the hose suction on these Elites is lower than a UK Turbopower.

Low hose suction on a clean air vacuum is not the same as low tool suction on a dirty fan cleaner. Dirty fan cleaners are all airflow, they have no pull when using tools I.e suction.


Post# 314531 , Reply# 6   2/4/2015 at 20:16 (3,340 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh tell me something I don't know Alex. I wasn't a collector of the Hoover Junior or Senior for nothing. Infact there was a bit more suction with the Senior given that it has a two speed motor the moment the convertor pan was slipped in at the back. But even then I'd sooner have low suction for upholstery - its why the Dirt Devil hand held Handy vacuum has been popular for so many years. Granted it may already have that pivot down design with a brush roll, but even with the belt taken off and hose fitted, I always found it had good enough suction to remove top viewable dust.

The DD Handy seems to be popular both with the use of the extra hose or the main design alone.

It doesn't matter how less suction there is - at least there is some which is enough to remove dust, dirt and whatever else GENTLY without pulling out threads. Plus you dont know whether she is using a fresh new bag in the Elite or not. Judging by the speed in which she is going over and for the fact that her sofa looks quite clean to my eyes anyway, she's in no fear of missing much dust.

Also the tool used in question may be more thorough than the next.

Take Miele's upholstery tool for example - it has double lint pickers on it compared to the T shaped one on a SEBO X or Felix with a thin strip of compacted stiff bristles - and yet I seem to get much more dust off with the SEBO tool than the Miele one.

When you consider that either X or Felix has a lower motor than the older Miele vacs i have with 2200 some watts, there's a lot to be said for suction and tool usage together, rather than just relying on suction strength alone.


Post# 314534 , Reply# 7   2/4/2015 at 20:41 (3,340 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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People often underestimate the hose performance of the Elites. The later 7.x amp models, when fitted with a new bag, were perfectly acceptable. If you just want to vacuum up crumbs, you have more than enough suction. Sebo_fan brings up a good point; DirtDevil hand vacs were popular for a reason. The 90s were still an era when vacuums were designed for specific purposes. The Elite is a carpet cleaner, and the DirtDevil is for things such as furniture. They sold like hotcakes in the US, and still sell well used on eBay. 

 

Anyway, can't you wash some sofa upholstery covers? If you're really concerned about fine dust, throw it in the washing machine.  However, a light dusting with an Elite isn't going to do any harm. Heck, that's how I, and many other family members, cleaned our couches for years.  


Post# 314542 , Reply# 8   2/4/2015 at 21:27 (3,340 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Of course it will remove dust and dirt, the suction is not THAT weak on an Elite, nor a Turbopower but for both machines I have just spoke of removing pet hair from upholstery with their on-board or pan converter tools, you have, NO CHANCE.

I do love using the on-board tools on the Elite Total Systems and Turbopower Total Systems, I do like the fact that the suction is considerably weak, they are very adequate for picking up the above the floor crumbs and dust, however, for doing a big clean up, I would rather use something that is more powerful and quieter for attachment use.

Come to think of it, my Junior 1012 has really good hose suction actually, and cleans upholstory VERY well, with the fabulous rubber finger all purpose nozel, fantastic tool is that.


Post# 314544 , Reply# 9   2/4/2015 at 21:35 (3,340 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

Nick said: "When I was little, my grandmother had this exact model, she would put the entire vacuum on the couch and vacuumed it like she was vacuuming the living room carpet 😂. then she would use the hose to clean down the sides of cushions."


You'd better be damn sure that the rotating brush won't damage the fabric on a sofa cushion before vacuuming that way. Some modern vacuums have such stiff brushes that they will rip into the fabric.


Post# 314546 , Reply# 10   2/4/2015 at 21:42 (3,340 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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The Elites come with a pretty good upholstery tool to be fair (that is my Elite by the way)

Post# 314547 , Reply# 11   2/4/2015 at 21:43 (3,340 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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The Turbopowers upholstery tool is pretty good too.

Post# 314550 , Reply# 12   2/4/2015 at 22:04 (3,340 days old) by sonnyndad ()        
Today on General Housekeeping...

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Post# 314551 , Reply# 13   2/4/2015 at 22:31 (3,340 days old) by HVRVACLVR (Altoona PA)        

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Ralf123. She used her dirt devil hand vac on the cushions, but she's would take the coushins off and vacuum the couch without the coushins on with the Elite. I should've been more specific. I never understood why she did that though

. She did weird things with vacuums. She replaced the Elite with a Dirt Devil Vision. She took the hose off of the vision because she didn't like the hose. She then complained it wouldn't pick anything up, that is because the suction went through hose because it was a clean air machine... Even though I was like 4 or 5 when that happened I still remember telling her she had to put the hose on to pick up stuff.

I also remember the one time when the belt broke on the hand vac, she tried using a rubber band because she didn't fell like driving three blocks away to the vacuum store. The rubber band snapped as soon as she turned it on.

She passed away in 2004, but if she was still alive today, I could see her being able to blow up a Dyson or a Miele.


Post# 314552 , Reply# 14   2/4/2015 at 22:44 (3,340 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
The Elite is fine.

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But, does anyone NOT know how to do this?? Wouldddd they need to watch this video while attempting this feat?
How about a mattress? I vacuum, flip, and turn mine.


Post# 314560 , Reply# 15   2/5/2015 at 03:19 (3,340 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Low suction on upholstery

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On the Miele, I tend to stick with the advised settings. I've never had to once use it on full power. The upholstery setting is 1 up from the lowest setting, so about 500w I think.

 

I've found that as long as you use a decent upholstery tool, using low suction on upholstery works perfectly.


Post# 314561 , Reply# 16   2/5/2015 at 03:26 (3,340 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

She did mention to pick up large things like pens and pencils-but what about small hard things--mostly coins-that can fall out of pockets when someone sits on the couch.She is using the fan first Hoover Elite-a coin accidently sucked up can sure blow the fan.Use a companion canister for the couch cleaning instead.No worry of blown fans.And at the end of the video she took several strokes of her hand tool-then turned the vacuum on!

Post# 314581 , Reply# 17   2/5/2015 at 05:59 (3,340 days old) by kenkart ()        
Just Get

A model G Electrolux and get the couch clean without going deaf!

Post# 314582 , Reply# 18   2/5/2015 at 06:11 (3,340 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

'Lux G and no worries of blown fans if you pick up a quarter from behind the seat cushions!

Post# 314602 , Reply# 19   2/5/2015 at 08:08 (3,340 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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she should just use a Henry.

Post# 314608 , Reply# 20   2/5/2015 at 08:50 (3,340 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I would love a Miele on full setting :D

Post# 314611 , Reply# 21   2/5/2015 at 09:10 (3,340 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I find that a vacuum that has variable power, I always use the medium setting, I never use it on full blast.

Post# 314618 , Reply# 22   2/5/2015 at 09:48 (3,339 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I always use vacuums on full blast settings 😃

Post# 314625 , Reply# 23   2/5/2015 at 10:26 (3,339 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
I always use vacuums on full blast settings

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Why?

 

It doesn't clean any better and certainly when dusting or vacuuming curtains and soft furnishings, it actually makes things more difficult because the material gets sucked right up inside the nozzle. So you're only wasting energy and making life more difficult for yourself.

 

Miele have got it spot on in that they've named the suction settings, rather than just shown how much power each uses. From left to right around the dial, it goes:

 

Curtains
Upholstery
Loose Rugs

Silence/Eco/Everyday Mode
Fitted carpets
Intensive clean

 

I tend to stick with the recommended setting for each surface, it works really well. Each setting has been designed for optimum cleaning with minimal effort required.


Post# 314628 , Reply# 24   2/5/2015 at 10:36 (3,339 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I think that Miele has a FAR better upholstery tool compared to the Sebo upholstery tool, everything just tends to stick to the stiff brush on the Sebo upholstery tool.

Post# 314630 , Reply# 25   2/5/2015 at 10:42 (3,339 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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It depends what you're vacuuming to be honest. The Miele certainly does a better job on upholstery, but the Sebo one is much better on the stairs.

 

Having said that, Miele recommend using the standard straight suction floorhead on stairs. I just don't like doing it because it's quite awkward and bulky to do so.


Post# 314657 , Reply# 26   2/5/2015 at 13:36 (3,339 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Good for you speaking to people who own a pan convertor tool and clearing up the possible chance of pet hair. Did I say that?? NO.

The mere threat of high suction on upholstery, especially sofa cushions doesn't just get sucked up into the chosen used tool as Chris says, but also it can pull the fabric apart from the generic shape of the cushion and thus cause bunching up, which then needs to be stretched out again to retain its original shape. If the fabric has been stretched out too far by the force of suction, you can't always re-stretch the fabric to make it lie straight, again. Once the damage is done, that's it done! But it really depends on the fabric in question; I have ruined velour cushions in the past by forceful high suction.

The Miele upholstery tool is a good one compared to many other brands, but I use SEBO's tool whenever I can on my couches - the bristles are far easier to take off any excess threads than having to wipe the lint pickers clean - plus Miele don't always make replaceable lint picker sticker types for replacement when the edges start to fray - and they do start to fray if you rely on that kind of tool all of the time.


Post# 314658 , Reply# 27   2/5/2015 at 13:56 (3,339 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

I think these videos are needed to teach Rainbow salespersons the right way to clean a sofa. They seem to want to wrap the whole sofa with a large trash bag and suck all of the air out like they do in the Rainbow demonstrations.

Post# 314672 , Reply# 28   2/5/2015 at 16:27 (3,339 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The upholstery tool that comes with the Elite also came with a Dirt Devil I bought many years ago - and it isn't all that kind to fabrics especially curtains and cushions that may well have unravelling threads. The biggest problem I found with the tool are the back teeth gorged out of the plastic at the back. It may well be designed to catch threads, but it also catches threads in a damaging way.

Lint pickers or stiff bristles are far better - another tool that is worthy is the upholstery tool fittef to the Hoover TP3 model - has a row of red bristles and lint pickers - the best of both worlds in my opinion - and without unnecessarily damaging things.

I do miss Hoover cleaning tools of old - the same dusting brush equipped with the uprights like TP2/3 etc also found their way with Hoover's Telios cylinder vacuums and later models.


Post# 314675 , Reply# 29   2/5/2015 at 16:43 (3,339 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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For your information, the Turbopower 3 only has a row of bristles at the rear, they never had a velor strip too.

This style tool was introduced on the Turbopower 3 and has since continued on the Purepower.


Post# 314681 , Reply# 30   2/5/2015 at 17:52 (3,339 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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OH I do stand corrected. Sorry if I got it wrong, Alex.



Post# 314689 , Reply# 31   2/5/2015 at 18:58 (3,339 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        

You can use your upright to clean furniture and mattresses with no problems.   Some machines from a major brand comes with a handle that you can convert the machine to a hand portable to clean these items as well as stairs.  

 

I actually prefer the sidekick or zip brush for the couch and chairs,.   I also clean the pillows as I remove them and set them aside, then clean the cushions, then under the cushions,  then give them another swipe as I reassemble the couch.  OCD, I know.  

 

For mattresses I do use the full sized hand portable. 


Post# 314690 , Reply# 32   2/5/2015 at 19:06 (3,339 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Yes I know you can use an upright to clean upholstery but I mean, a Hoover Elite? For the suction you would get through the hose you may as well use a Dustbuster.

Post# 314708 , Reply# 33   2/6/2015 at 02:33 (3,339 days old) by Mike81 ()        

I once tried my powerhead (Miele SEB 216-3) to clean my sofa = Bad idea. Fabric was too loose and it caused the powerhead to make awful "grinding" noise. Apparently loose fabric was trying to wrap around the brushroll. Mini turbine head worked very well, but I didn't have my hearing protection with me :) Best way for me is to use the upholstery tool and turn the suction to minimal.

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Post# 314710 , Reply# 34   2/6/2015 at 03:34 (3,339 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Hearing protection haha :-)

Post# 314712 , Reply# 35   2/6/2015 at 03:51 (3,339 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Vaasa is Finland right?

Post# 314713 , Reply# 36   2/6/2015 at 04:14 (3,339 days old) by Mike81 ()        

Yes it's in Finland. I think hearing protection is needed when using this :D





Post# 314714 , Reply# 37   2/6/2015 at 04:22 (3,339 days old) by marcusprit ()        

You gotta be tough to live up there. Brrrrrrrrrr!

Post# 314715 , Reply# 38   2/6/2015 at 04:29 (3,339 days old) by Mike81 ()        

Well yes sometimes, but thanks to the climate change winters aren't like "good old times". At the moment temperature is +2°. I don't mind :)

Post# 314716 , Reply# 39   2/6/2015 at 04:37 (3,339 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Oh about the same as here then.Roll on springtime!:-)

Post# 314811 , Reply# 40   2/7/2015 at 00:22 (3,338 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Amazing!!!! I clean my sofa and chairs with the same procedures and have been doing so long before this video.(over 40 yrs) The only exception is I use my Kirby. This is a good video for the younger generation that is clueless that you need to clean once in while and what a vacuum is used for. We just need to remind them to empty the bag or cup once in awhile as the dirt goes some where. L.O.L.

Post# 314812 , Reply# 41   2/7/2015 at 01:37 (3,338 days old) by Mike81 ()        

Old way is still the best way :)

Post# 315273 , Reply# 42   2/12/2015 at 02:04 (3,333 days old) by uksausage (eastbourne east sussex UK)        
Funny

I know her sofa looks quite clean but she isn't very thorough
She seems to have forgotten to put a crevice nozzle on and clean down the side where the side meets the springs I always vacuum down in that gap and the same across the back where the back meets the springs. Then she seems to forget to vacuum the the sides and the back of the sofa before replacing the cushions. She also doesn't clean all four sides of any of the cushions. Maybe I'm just a bit OCD but to me that's not a good video about how to vacuum sofa
By the way guys I'm with you on the whole lower suction thing I know many people who have ruined furniture thinking they had use full power, especially with some of these turbo heads

I remember when I was a kid my mum used to pick her Hoover junior 1012 up and vacuum the sofa every day ( I remember the dude coming to demo the kirby legend and getting quite annoyed because he could not pull any dirt out the sofa. He asked my mum if she had a kirby hiding somewhere the answer was no but she explained to him the way she vacuumed it every day ) in fact she did it with all her turbopowers as well then once a week she would use the tools to go down the sides etc.


Post# 315305 , Reply# 43   2/12/2015 at 09:22 (3,333 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        

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Why doesn't she just haul it to & through a car wash... On second look she needs to go through it too...she looks a bit past it & nackered!! 😁 LOL

Post# 315306 , Reply# 44   2/12/2015 at 09:30 (3,332 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Now now Mark no need to be bitchy many a good tune played on an old fiddle :-)

Post# 315449 , Reply# 45   2/13/2015 at 11:11 (3,331 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

I use my Electrolux 1205 with the combo dusting/upholstery tool or Compact with upholstery tool or TriStar CXL with Wessel Werk HEB160 PN

In either case I use crevice tool for edges & tufts

The Lux & Compact upholstery tools dont have any lint pickers or brush to remove lint or cat hair


Post# 316030 , Reply# 46   2/19/2015 at 06:25 (3,326 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        

i dont know why she just doesn't use a henry be far quicker maybe its just me

Post# 316035 , Reply# 47   2/19/2015 at 07:10 (3,326 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well its trickier with a Henry, unless you have all the tools to hand since they don't store on the machine. Then dealing with the brutal suction, twisting the difficult to twist open valve and in some cases on a Henry, difficulty of removing the rubber cuff off the metal handle.

By the time I have faffed about, I may as well use a dust buster and try coax it to suck up any dirt on the sofa.


Post# 316066 , Reply# 48   2/19/2015 at 11:09 (3,325 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Not to mention that this lady is in the US, where Henry's are difficult to get.


Post# 316085 , Reply# 49   2/19/2015 at 14:20 (3,325 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@turbo500 and @sebo_fan

@sebo_fan I don't find it that much faffing around maybe its just me again lol

@turbo500 Good point even if it was a different machine even a clean air would be better


Post# 316109 , Reply# 50   2/19/2015 at 18:17 (3,325 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
I wish tools on Henry were on board.

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The problem I find with my Henry is that knowing in advance is required for the kind of tools I want and having them lying around. With the Miele S8 or even SEBO D2, the tools are ON the machine; everything is together, not to mention having to use the optional adaptor if I want to just use the cuff of Henry PLUS the smaller cleaning tools.

Post# 316154 , Reply# 51   2/20/2015 at 06:43 (3,325 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Would it be a gd idea to put the tools on the Henry filter?

Post# 316169 , Reply# 52   2/20/2015 at 09:45 (3,324 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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No, not really. Because in use the filter rises up from the dust bag below so putting a weight of tools on top could make the motor over heat.

I dont know why Numatic don't offer external body slots like Vax and Karcher offer - would be a heck of a lot easier on the domestic models - but then Numatic could argue that puting slots into the body could deter the durability of the plastic.

I have owned three clip on tool storers with Henry vacs - they're just not practical. They either fall off or the tools fall off.


Post# 316178 , Reply# 53   2/20/2015 at 10:42 (3,324 days old) by vacuumlover (UK)        
@sebo_fan

agreed it is a bit of a pain having to lug the tools separate

Post# 316183 , Reply# 54   2/20/2015 at 11:07 (3,324 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The only thing I love about Henry is the bent handle at the top - it can be swapped around at the bottom, so getting up high when cleaning book shelves and book cases is dead simple. Also handy for getting around the corners of the backs of appliances like washing machine or tumble dryer.

Post# 316188 , Reply# 55   2/20/2015 at 11:28 (3,324 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

When I get my first. Henry, I might stick 3 pieces of Velcro on the machine, then the Velcro on the tools to stick them on! 😃

Post# 316248 , Reply# 56   2/21/2015 at 00:55 (3,324 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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Never understood why Numatic never added tool storage posts on Henry's "bum end", between the wheels. Kerstar do this on their canister vacs (see piccy), and IIRC, Contico offers a similar setup on theirs also.

The tool storage clips they supply now serve a purpose I suppose, but they're far from ideal. You only get one for starters. Previously I bought additional clips so as to keep all the tools on board, and the end result was just like using a Filter Queen, i.e. all the tools kept getting hung up on door frames and furniture while cleaning. What a pain in the @ss.


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Post# 316252 , Reply# 57   2/21/2015 at 01:34 (3,324 days old) by columbus (South-Africa)        
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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You guys really have a great sense of humour, a bit of a chilly undertone, but hey, reading through the threads above, 10/10 for giving the rest of us a good laugh and contributing to the entertainment factor.

Each one of you have a valid point, and the way you protect your stand and stand your ground is remarkable.

Good for you. Truth be told, the woman in the video really tries her best, but really now, is there anyone that owns a vacuum cleaner not knowing what it is used for. By the whoops and hoops quick pull here and there. I wanted to say " I beg your pardon, but I think you have missed a spot." but was afraid she may though the vacuum at me, that is the elite though not the screaming little compact. I have great concerns if the sofa is really clean. and the how to clean a ceiling fan was the best, and that with an elite that does not have the ability to reach with extention tubes fitted, as the hose will not allow you. Hey another video, how to put your vacuum on the dining room table in order to reach the ceiling fan.

My apologies to the lady, we all need a bit of a giggle in these times, and if she has the ability to make us laugh why not. Thanks to her. She has great points with merits, hahahaha maybe someone out her neck of the woods can text her letting her know about the great features of the Kirby, or Vorwerk Kobokld, the Miele, she will have a great time making videos on how the machines could ease the modern life style in a demanding rat race.

From a very Proud Hoover Elite/Legacy Owner.

Adrian Smith


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Post# 316255 , Reply# 58   2/21/2015 at 02:28 (3,324 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Lol bum end XD
The Vax 6131 has a gd tool setup too


Post# 316256 , Reply# 59   2/21/2015 at 02:30 (3,324 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        
Nar

Thanks, how about putting the tools under the bag, or on the bag and under the filters. I tried it once with my Aunties Eco Henry and there didn't seem to be a difference in any suction


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