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Thread Number: 28110
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
Dyson Radial Root Cyclone Doesn't Work Very Well! |
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| Post# 313985 2/1/2015 at 15:57 (3,368 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
I recently bought a Dyson DC40 Animal and have been using it for about a week and already I have noticed the cyclones are not capturing the dust properly as Dyson claim they do!
I took these photos so you can see what I mean. The first photo shows you the Cyclone with the filter in place, which looks pretty clean still. 
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| Post# 313986 , Reply# 1 2/1/2015 at 16:00 (3,368 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 313987 , Reply# 2 2/1/2015 at 16:02 (3,368 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 313988 , Reply# 3 2/1/2015 at 16:03 (3,368 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 313989 , Reply# 4 2/1/2015 at 16:09 (3,368 days old) by cc (louisiana) | ||
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Have you noticed any lack of suction? Or dust escaping into the air while you vacuum? That sure does look dirty!! | ||
| Post# 313990 , Reply# 5 2/1/2015 at 16:09 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 313991 , Reply# 6 2/1/2015 at 16:18 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 313992 , Reply# 7 2/1/2015 at 16:18 (3,368 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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I have emptied it after every use as I would do with any bagless vacuum. The filter is still clean but the dust that is not being captured by the cyclone must be passing straight through the filter as it is not very dense.
I have noticed that all the dirt raises up to the shroud when the hose is blocked off for any reason, and that would cause a lot more fine dust to pass into the inner cyclones. I wish someone would tell James Dyson to give it a rest and say hello to the bag again!! The back filters better as well as capturing more dirt than a bagless and todays synthetic bags don't tend to loose any suction. What a waste of money this machines is! | ||
| Post# 313993 , Reply# 8 2/1/2015 at 16:19 (3,368 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
That's funny, my Miele Cat & Dog has been in constant use for a month now. Bag is almost full and there's not a speck of dust inside the bag housing or on the pre-motor filter
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| Post# 313994 , Reply# 9 2/1/2015 at 16:21 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 313995 , Reply# 10 2/1/2015 at 16:28 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 313996 , Reply# 11 2/1/2015 at 16:31 (3,368 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Personally, I wouldn't want all that fine dust blowing back out into the room. If it's getting past the main HEPA filter, it will easily blow through the motor and back out into the room.
Reading this, I'm far more confident that as much dust as possible is being retained in my vacuum, sealed in the bag and thrown away, instead of blowing back out of the machine. And that's not taking into consideration the inevitable dust cloud when emptying the bin. | ||
| Post# 313998 , Reply# 12 2/1/2015 at 16:34 (3,368 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 313999 , Reply# 13 2/1/2015 at 16:36 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314000 , Reply# 14 2/1/2015 at 16:42 (3,368 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314001 , Reply# 15 2/1/2015 at 16:45 (3,368 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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You'd be able to SMELL fine dust, would you? Tell me, what exactly do fine dust particles smell of? Because fine dust is everywhere, all the time. It's unavoidable. And I'm willing to bet you don't walk into your living room or bedroom and think "my gosh, it smells like dust in here!".
If it weren't for the fact that you can actually see it building up outside of the filter, Alex wouldn't even realise that it was letting dust out. | ||
| Post# 314002 , Reply# 16 2/1/2015 at 16:46 (3,368 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314003 , Reply# 17 2/1/2015 at 16:51 (3,368 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 314004 , Reply# 18 2/1/2015 at 16:52 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314005 , Reply# 19 2/1/2015 at 16:56 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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The hoover vortex was prone to motor failure due to the poor filter catching the dust.
I love these vacuums. I bought one when they first came out and in the first 12 months it had 6 new motors I also made my mum, cousin,and 2 friends but them despite the motor issues they were very good vacuums even if a little top heavy they picked up so much better than the dysons and groomed so much better I've had this one around 10 years and its just starting to make a few dodgy motor noises when you switch it off, but then it doesn't really get used so I'm not that worrie | ||
| Post# 314006 , Reply# 20 2/1/2015 at 17:01 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314007 , Reply# 21 2/1/2015 at 17:02 (3,368 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Josh, the heap filter is pretty clean, but that is not the point, the point is, the cyclone is not trapping this dust, if James's claims were to be accurate, the plastic housing around the filter would be clean and the filter would not be that dirty anyway as the Cyclone would of separated the dust properly.
Josh the Vortex was prone to motor failure due to tight and narrow air passages restricting the airflow, not fine dust, although in my experience from my Vortex when I got it, the motor was pretty clean inside and, it was used! | ||
| Post# 314008 , Reply# 22 2/1/2015 at 17:03 (3,368 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314009 , Reply# 23 2/1/2015 at 17:05 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314010 , Reply# 24 2/1/2015 at 17:08 (3,368 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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there's not a lot of dust at the bottom so its not makin | ||
| Post# 314011 , Reply# 25 2/1/2015 at 17:08 (3,368 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314012 , Reply# 26 2/1/2015 at 17:09 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314013 , Reply# 27 2/1/2015 at 17:14 (3,368 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Chris, the suction comes from the bottom of the bin sucking the air through the filter and through the cyclones, all the fine dust is supposed to be collected around the outside of where the filter is housed and of course all the larger particles are collected in the main bin.
in my opinion, the older Dyson models worked better as far as cyclone efficiency is concerned as the suction came from the top of the cyclone assembly, where as now, the suction comes from the bottom of he cyclone assembly. | ||
| Post# 314014 , Reply# 28 2/1/2015 at 17:14 (3,368 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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So, because other bagless vacuums don't retain dust well, that suddenly makes it ok for Dyson to start blowing fine dust back out of the machine? I'm not buying that! It sounds like Alex is disappointed with the actual cyclone set up, but for me, the biggest frustration would be the filter. Even if the cyclone did inevitably let some fine dust through, I would expect this to be captured on the inside of the filter. In my opinion, the biggest flaw is the poor seal between the filter and the cyclone, which is letting very fine dust particles through to accumulate on the outside of the filter housing and blow throw the machine and back into the air in use.
If this is the build up after just 1 week, what would it be like after a month, a year or 5 years? Alex is lucky, knowing what he knows about vacuums, he can intercept this fault before it becomes a problem, but your average user - even those who regularly maintain the filters - aren't going to concern themselves with this and it could become a problem later down the line if dust is regularly passing through the motor. Doesn't exactly make for a spotless home either. | ||
| Post# 314015 , Reply# 29 2/1/2015 at 17:16 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314016 , Reply# 30 2/1/2015 at 17:16 (3,368 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 314017 , Reply# 31 2/1/2015 at 17:23 (3,368 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314018 , Reply# 32 2/1/2015 at 17:26 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314020 , Reply# 33 2/1/2015 at 17:30 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314022 , Reply# 34 2/1/2015 at 17:39 (3,368 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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This is what I would expect when removing the pre filter | ||
| Post# 314023 , Reply# 35 2/1/2015 at 17:43 (3,368 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 314024 , Reply# 36 2/1/2015 at 17:54 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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not mine it's a ladies .and it is about 2 years old now.
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| Post# 314042 , Reply# 37 2/1/2015 at 20:28 (3,368 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314063 , Reply# 40 2/2/2015 at 01:24 (3,368 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I am very surprised at this i've not had this problem with my DC41. I would contact Dyson and get a refund. There should not be any noticeable dust escaping from the cyclones. | ||
| Post# 314065 , Reply# 41 2/2/2015 at 01:28 (3,368 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Btw how can the filter still be clean if dust is passing through it? That is not possible. I've just taken my filter out and looked inside and it's still very clean. That's very strange. | ||
| Post# 314067 , Reply# 42 2/2/2015 at 01:48 (3,368 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Here is a photo of motor inlet after 4 months use and it hasn't been cleaned. Spotless.
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| Post# 314070 , Reply# 45 2/2/2015 at 02:18 (3,368 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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If the filter is clean that cud be dust blowing back when you empty the bin. If that much dust was escaping from the cyclones the filter wud be filthy. | ||
| Post# 314071 , Reply# 46 2/2/2015 at 02:20 (3,367 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Yeah! Mark has a point. Dust clouds happen from emptying bagless vacs, so it might have gone up the tube. Maybe the filter is not to fault | ||
| Post# 314073 , Reply# 47 2/2/2015 at 02:39 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes that's wat it is dust blowing back. Dyson are not that stupid to take a backward step and produce inferior cyclones.As much as some people wud love to think they have. Haha | ||
| Post# 314074 , Reply# 48 2/2/2015 at 02:57 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Filter after 4 months use and not washed Spotless! If that much dust was escaping cyclones it would be filthy.
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| Post# 314075 , Reply# 49 2/2/2015 at 03:42 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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My advice would be to arrange for a Dyson engineer to call and he van explain what is happening. There is no way that much dust will escape the cyclones. | ||
| Post# 314076 , Reply# 50 2/2/2015 at 04:35 (3,367 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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I still think it's a problem with the seal on the filter. All that fine dust should be captured by the filter, but because of the poor seal between the cyclones and the filter, air is passing around the sides of the filter rather than through it, causing very fine particles of dust to bypass the filter altogether. The filter isn't filthy because it's only very small particles that would normally embed into the filter material and not pass through to the other side, but it's showing up on the plastic because it's non-porus and a darker colour. | ||
| Post# 314077 , Reply# 51 2/2/2015 at 04:52 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Why is the motor housing spotless in my photo then Chris if dust was passing the seal it would be covered in dust. It is actually a very good seal.Give Dyson some credit they are not fools. Some people on here I'm not so sure about. | ||
| Post# 314078 , Reply# 52 2/2/2015 at 05:00 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Anyway I vowed not to argue about vacuum cleaners anymore but when some members spout rubbish I can't help myself! | ||
| Post# 314079 , Reply# 53 2/2/2015 at 05:32 (3,367 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Not that good if it's letting fine dust through, is it?
It's quite obviously a problem on Alex's DC40 AND the DC41 that Josh has posted above as both have dust around the OUTSIDE of the filter and on the airducts going into the motor.
It's so amusing that even when presented with photo evidence of a flawed design, people still think they can argue the toss about it. | ||
| Post# 314081 , Reply# 55 2/2/2015 at 05:51 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Anyway there's no point arguing with a know it all who hasn't even used the latest Dysons he just goes on hearsay. | ||
| Post# 314082 , Reply# 56 2/2/2015 at 05:51 (3,367 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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We're not even talking about the Cinnetic, so god only knows what conversation you're having. The cinnetic is a completely different design with no relevance to this discussion.
Yes, I've looked at your photos. I've also looked at the photos provided by 2 other people - Josh with a DC41 and the original post by Alex on the DC40. So you're outnumbered, I'm afraid. We also have no evidence that you didn't wipe your cleaner out before you took the photo to save face, which wouldn't suprise me in the slightest.
It's also important to note that you have a DC41mk2. The other 2 cleaners shown are a DC40 and DC41, so (unnervingly giving you the benefit of the doubt) this is potentially a problem that has been sorted on newer models. But as both the 40 and 41 are still on sale, I'd say it's still very much an issue.
And as I've said before, whilst I haven't used the DC41mk2, I HAVE used the DC40 and DC41 enough to form an opinion.
We all know who throws his toys out of his pram because he can't take criticsm, even when presented with photo evidence. | ||
| Post# 314083 , Reply# 57 2/2/2015 at 05:55 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Excuse me but I do not tell lies! It has not been wiped and you wud still see dust inside as I'm not gonna dismantle the ball. Anyway keep spouting your nonsense I go on my own personal use of a product unlike some others. | ||
| Post# 314084 , Reply# 58 2/2/2015 at 06:04 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314085 , Reply# 59 2/2/2015 at 06:07 (3,367 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Alrighty then, ignore what I've said. Admittedly, despite using DC40 and DC41's on multiple occaisions and twice in my home AND spent the last 10 years dismantling, rebuilding, refurbing and investigating hundreds of vacuums, my view clearly isn't important because I don't own one.
So, lets go back to the original post by a fellow member who also has spent years doing the same and who also OWNS the DC40 (unlike me OR you), has been using in his own home and has found a dust leak. As is evident by the photo posted by Josh above, it's not just limited to his vacuum. Now how are you going to argue that? | ||
| Post# 314088 , Reply# 62 2/2/2015 at 06:15 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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I haven't done anything with it apart from use it normally.
Also, if mine is dusty and the Josh photoed is dusty but yours isn't how could I possibly believe you? It is two against one. by the way, you would think thw ducting on mine was clean too, if it wasn't for the fact I put the flash on to show it up, the camera doesn't lie. | ||
| Post# 314089 , Reply# 63 2/2/2015 at 06:15 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I would say this is a 90% biased site against dyson. I could compile a list of thousands of very happy Dyson users in fact I think I should start a website for dyson lovers :-) | ||
| Post# 314090 , Reply# 64 2/2/2015 at 06:16 (3,367 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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It is dust blowing back up the tube when the bin is emptied | ||
| Post# 314091 , Reply# 65 2/2/2015 at 06:17 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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My camera doesn't lie either and neither do I. Have a chat with olive oil if you want another opinion. | ||
| Post# 314092 , Reply# 66 2/2/2015 at 06:18 (3,367 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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90% biased site against dyson | ||
| Post# 314093 , Reply# 67 2/2/2015 at 06:19 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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The dust near the bottom of the cyclone will be dust that has stuck to it statically from emptying the bin. The dust in the filter housing though, isn't. If it had gone back up the tube after emptying it would be like little specs of dust but this is smeared onto the filter housing which tells me that dust is getteing past the filter or through it.
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| Post# 314094 , Reply# 68 2/2/2015 at 06:21 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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There is no difference in the design of the cyclones on the new Dc40 and Dc41 mk2 They filter the dust extremely well. You can choose to believe the truth or not I really don't care. I know what works for me. | ||
| Post# 314095 , Reply# 69 2/2/2015 at 06:25 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314096 , Reply# 70 2/2/2015 at 06:25 (3,367 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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You can choose to believe the truth or not What makes you think that it's you speaking the truth? I've known Alex for a lot of years now, why should I believe you over him?
There's also the fact that you're outnumbered. You might not have had found this issue, but there's 2 photo's above of 2 different machines owned by 2 different people and used in 2 different houses - both displaying the same problem.
Statistically, it's you that appears to be talking rubbish, Marcus. | ||
| Post# 314097 , Reply# 71 2/2/2015 at 06:25 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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It tells me they hate Dyson cause they brought out bagless which lead to the decline of bagged machines and dyson outsell them in their hundreds of thousands. What does that tell you? | ||
| Post# 314098 , Reply# 72 2/2/2015 at 06:29 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Like I said on a site that is 90% biased. On a less biased less snobby site you will get a different view about Dyson which have more satisfied customers than any other brand. | ||
| Post# 314099 , Reply# 73 2/2/2015 at 06:37 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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I won't send it back just yet. I have blasted all the dust out the cyclone assembly with my G4 and then wiped the whole thing out, including the filter housing, I have washed the bin out and washed the filters. When that has all dried, I will put it back together and test it for another week of normal use and see wheater it was just a fluke (doubt it was). I will post pictures again in a weeks time to show you what the results are. Fingers crossed!
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| Post# 314100 , Reply# 74 2/2/2015 at 06:39 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Listen I really don't care if you think I'm speaking the truth or not I've seen with my own eyes and that's all I need to know not the biased rubbish spouted on here. You all have closed blinkered minds! | ||
| Post# 314101 , Reply# 75 2/2/2015 at 06:41 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Why don't you call an engineer out to see if there's a problem before you rubbish the machine? That's wat I'd do. | ||
| Post# 314102 , Reply# 76 2/2/2015 at 06:45 (3,367 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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What does that tell you? Big statements for somebody who hasn't been here that long.
Between us, we are the experts. There is nobody in the world that knows as much about vacuums as the members of this forum combined. And if 90% of us, as you seem to think, dislike Dyson cleaners, I'd say that gives a pretty damn good indication of the overall reputation of the brand and it's performance. Do you honestly think that the members of this forum who have openly criticised Dyson have just pulled this opinion completely out of their a$$ or something?
And if you honestly think we're all biased and snobby, you know where the door is. | ||
| Post# 314103 , Reply# 77 2/2/2015 at 06:49 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Don't know if you can see this very well but a very tiny speck of dust after 4 months. Not bad eh
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| Post# 314104 , Reply# 78 2/2/2015 at 06:50 (3,367 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314107 , Reply# 80 2/2/2015 at 06:55 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Well with people like you on here I will walk straight out of the door like Steve madabouthoovers did! | ||
| Post# 314108 , Reply# 81 2/2/2015 at 06:56 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314109 , Reply# 82 2/2/2015 at 06:58 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314110 , Reply# 83 2/2/2015 at 06:59 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yeah and I can only speak from my experience which is dismissed as lies. Typical of this site! | ||
| Post# 314111 , Reply# 84 2/2/2015 at 07:00 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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| Post# 314112 , Reply# 85 2/2/2015 at 07:02 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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| Post# 314113 , Reply# 86 2/2/2015 at 07:08 (3,367 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314114 , Reply# 87 2/2/2015 at 07:09 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Dramatic much!
Anyway, without all this pitty me crap, I will get back to the topic. now I have cleaned this DC40, I will use it until the bin is full, then before I empty it, I will take the filter out and photo the inside of the filter housing and if it is still clean then that should prove to me that the dirt is not getting passed/through the filter and it is only happening when the cleaner is emptied. I have high hopes for this test as a good point was raised on here about the dust going back into the tube upon emptying, I will look forward to the result. I really don't want to have to send it back because it is a really good machine. | ||
| Post# 314116 , Reply# 88 2/2/2015 at 07:11 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha you don't have to pity me mate. I'm doing very well thanks. | ||
| Post# 314118 , Reply# 90 2/2/2015 at 07:17 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Anyway you keep spouting your biased nonsense about Dyson. The DC41Mk2 is the best upright i have ever used and i've used lots. This post was last edited 02/02/2015 at 07:39 | ||
| Post# 314119 , Reply# 91 2/2/2015 at 07:21 (3,367 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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Is a few pictures someone showing how to maintain the Dyson DC 65 and you can see Psycho
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| Post# 314121 , Reply# 93 2/2/2015 at 07:26 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I have never ever seen a Dyson leak dust like the one in that members photo. The cyclones filter down to 0.5 microns using centrifugal forces so i'm sorry i don't buy it! | ||
| Post# 314122 , Reply# 94 2/2/2015 at 07:26 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314123 , Reply# 95 2/2/2015 at 07:35 (3,367 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314124 , Reply# 96 2/2/2015 at 07:49 (3,367 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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maybe when you empty it it contaminates the filter bit and when its turned on all of the dust flings it the side and then sticks to the side because of a static because that part is a cyclone in itself.it probably makes it look worse than it actually is.but i don't know i haven't personally seen it with my dyson or friends dysons just the one
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| Post# 314131 , Reply# 98 2/2/2015 at 09:03 (3,367 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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I don't really see what that has got to do with it | ||
| Post# 314134 , Reply# 100 2/2/2015 at 09:13 (3,367 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
Steve was made to leave. He didn't walk. Completely different situation, Marcus.
Lets just get the record completely straight here. Whilst I don't agree with you on Dyson and find your ability to accept the flaws of the machine baffling, I don't for a second think that makes you a bad person or think less of you as a person for it. Steve resorted to name calling and sending nasty private messages to people who disgreed with him. For me, disagreeing is part of what makes this place so interesting and having a place to discuss and debate stuff like this is brilliant.
So whilst I think you're wrong, it doesn't mean I automatically think negatively of you and I'd hate for you to think I did. Heck, me and Alex disagree ALLLLL the time but we've been friends for a long time now.
Please don't take it so personally. | ||
| Post# 314137 , Reply# 102 2/2/2015 at 09:34 (3,367 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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It may be dog eat dog in your work world, but this isn't your work world. Don't really see what relevance that had to be honest, but nevermind.
Honestly, you shouldn't take it so personally. Like I said, me and Alex disagree all the time, particularly about cylinders and Electrolux because they're both BETTER THAN HOOVER but that doesn't mean I dislike him or that we're not friends. On the contrary, we're pretty good friends.
So, rest assured, you're not thought any less of for liking Dyson.
Right, I'd best run before Alex throws something heavy at me...;) | ||
| Post# 314141 , Reply# 103 2/2/2015 at 09:51 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I mean when uve had to fight very hard for everything uve got it does change your personality that way. | ||
| Post# 314143 , Reply# 104 2/2/2015 at 09:56 (3,367 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314145 , Reply# 105 2/2/2015 at 09:59 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314148 , Reply# 106 2/2/2015 at 10:07 (3,367 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
Oh absolutely and believe me, I could write the book on fighting your own fight, but it's different on here to "real life". Healthy debate would be a good way to describe it.
Good greif, the full name came out! Mother, is that you?
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| Post# 314149 , Reply# 107 2/2/2015 at 10:11 (3,367 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314150 , Reply# 108 2/2/2015 at 10:14 (3,367 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
When you have to fight for everything...
Which excludes Steve because his parents funded his money for his entire vacuum cleaner collection.
And he failed to tell them about it. Different strokes indeed. The problem with Steve was that he was actually a pretty decent guy to speak with at first. But soon as others began to disagree with him, he chucked his toys out of his pram and started being quite nasty. Not only did he send abusive private messages to members, he also faffed about with the password change on here which caused a bit of negativity for members in general. | ||
| Post# 314153 , Reply# 110 2/2/2015 at 10:43 (3,367 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Tayyab - he is always nice to the younger males which has often made me feel queezy. He has his fans.
One only needs to do an archive thread to see how abusive he got - if those threads have not been removed, well you just have to take other's word for it. Quite a few members INCLUDING U.S members got the brunt of Steve's immaturity. | ||
| Post# 314156 , Reply# 111 2/2/2015 at 10:51 (3,367 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Sorry Tayyab, that's not true.
Steve refused to work because of (as he put it) "foreigners stealing jobs". He refused to claim benefits because he found it degrading. His parents were paying for his house and giving him money to live off, which he was then spending on vacuums and having to hide them when his parents visited so they didn't find out.
He was fine to talk to until you dared to disagree with him. Quite frankly, as a junior member, I'm suprised you talk to him at all as he once remarked that all younger people should be beaten until they learn to agree with their elders. | ||
| Post# 314162 , Reply# 113 2/2/2015 at 11:03 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha really? You seem to know a lot about Steve Nar.And what you mean by he's nice to younger males? :-0 | ||
| Post# 314164 , Reply# 114 2/2/2015 at 11:07 (3,367 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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Marcus, he's nicer to the younger members of VL like me & Tayyab. He used to Facebook message me all the time. I always thought he was a decent enough bloke but after reading the info about him I feel quite disgusted. | ||
| Post# 314176 , Reply# 115 2/2/2015 at 11:30 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Oh I don't know about all that so I can't comment. I like his videos on YouTube he is very knowledgeable I doubt he's as bad as people make out. We all lose our rag sometimes. You need the patients of a saint on here! Haha | ||
| Post# 314178 , Reply# 116 2/2/2015 at 11:43 (3,367 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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| Post# 314179 , Reply# 117 2/2/2015 at 11:46 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314181 , Reply# 118 2/2/2015 at 11:51 (3,367 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314182 , Reply# 119 2/2/2015 at 11:54 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314184 , Reply# 120 2/2/2015 at 12:02 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314185 , Reply# 121 2/2/2015 at 12:18 (3,367 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Lol moist | ||
| Post# 314188 , Reply# 122 2/2/2015 at 12:40 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Oh yes Joshy and use my correct title Dr Marcus! :-) | ||
| Post# 314189 , Reply# 123 2/2/2015 at 12:42 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Still moist wat you been doing with it Alex with a capital A haha | ||
| Post# 314191 , Reply# 124 2/2/2015 at 12:49 (3,367 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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OMG lol 😂😂😂 | ||
| Post# 314193 , Reply# 125 2/2/2015 at 13:04 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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You can take your love of vacuum cleaners too far you know hahaha | ||
| Post# 314195 , Reply# 126 2/2/2015 at 13:10 (3,367 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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OMG IM dying 😂😂😂😂 lol Haha | ||
| Post# 314197 , Reply# 127 2/2/2015 at 13:21 (3,367 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 314198 , Reply# 128 2/2/2015 at 13:28 (3,367 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314199 , Reply# 129 2/2/2015 at 13:29 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Oh me too! Haha | ||
| Post# 314200 , Reply# 130 2/2/2015 at 13:39 (3,367 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK) | ||
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Well looking at Chris's evidence and from my own experie There can only be one conclusion... BAGS ARE BEST !! Seamus CLICK HERE TO GO TO SeamusUK's LINK | ||
| Post# 314213 , Reply# 131 2/2/2015 at 14:42 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314215 , Reply# 132 2/2/2015 at 14:50 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha make sure its absolutely dry in all the nooks and crannies. I leave mine for about 48 just to be safe. | ||
| Post# 314216 , Reply# 133 2/2/2015 at 14:51 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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The cyclones I mean. | ||
| Post# 314220 , Reply# 134 2/2/2015 at 15:05 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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And I use a very long bag when I empty the bin.That way you don't get so much dust blowing back up the tube I also hold the bag tightly around the bin to seal as much as possible then I don't come into contact with a dust cloud. | ||
| Post# 314223 , Reply# 135 2/2/2015 at 15:42 (3,367 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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Are those filters real genuine Dyson or counterfeit Dyson filters? Has anyone tried to modify a Dyson so it can use bags? I haven't had a problem with my Kenmore Cyclonic canister leaking fine dust past the pre-motor filter 
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| Post# 314224 , Reply# 136 2/2/2015 at 15:44 (3,367 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I haven't had a problem with my Dyson leaking dust either :-) | ||
| Post# 314237 , Reply# 137 2/2/2015 at 17:00 (3,367 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 314247 , Reply# 138 2/2/2015 at 19:48 (3,367 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Okay, the entire cyclone assembly is clean and dust free and the filters were washed. Starting from tommorrow I am going to use the Dyson until the dirt gets to the max line which may take a day or two, this is without emtying of course. When the bin is full, I will take out the pre filter and look in the filter compartment, if there is no dust inside the housing of where the filter sits then I will be convinced that, the culprit is emptying the bin and dust statically raised up the tube.
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| Post# 314248 , Reply# 139 2/2/2015 at 20:09 (3,367 days old) by Ctvacman (CT) | ||
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I find that to be a problem when emptying that the dust goes up the tube, but only like an inch. I clean it out before installing, but the average user definetly will not which causes fine dust to go through the motor. | ||
| Post# 314252 , Reply# 140 2/2/2015 at 20:39 (3,367 days old) by vacuumfreak95 (Aransas Pass, Tx) | ||
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My Dyson DC40 has done the same as yours since day one, I will have had it one year this April. The cyclones have always had a layer of fine dust inside as well as the suction inlet for the motor. At first I was concerned about this, but being its been almost a year and no problems have come of it I've kind of let it go. "Let it go" "let it go" OK I'll quit singing.....Also I've only washed the filters twice since I bought it cause they never get dirty! I find this kind of weird, but in a good way. Only thing I have noticed is that the post motor filter is turning black...Even after its been washed, probably carbon deposits from the motor or fine dust that's been getting through over time. Here are some pictures below.
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| Post# 314274 , Reply# 141 2/3/2015 at 01:38 (3,367 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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That is ironic indeed :/ | ||
| Post# 314280 , Reply# 143 2/3/2015 at 03:03 (3,366 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Can you see this any better there's only a few tiny specs of dust. This post was last edited 02/03/2015 at 03:38 | ||
| Post# 314290 , Reply# 144 2/3/2015 at 04:11 (3,366 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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And apologies for yesterday I need to control my outbursts :-( | ||
| Post# 314293 , Reply# 145 2/3/2015 at 06:25 (3,366 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Don't worry Marcus... | ||
| Post# 314294 , Reply# 146 2/3/2015 at 06:37 (3,366 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha it is. A little dust in the filter tube is not going to do any harm but it should not be caked in dust. Those cyclones should be throwing the vast majority of dust out of the airflow. According to Dyson down to 0.5 microns so I hope it works for you. :-) | ||
| Post# 314308 , Reply# 147 2/3/2015 at 09:32 (3,366 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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I decided I couldn't wait and decided to check! | ||
| Post# 314309 , Reply# 148 2/3/2015 at 09:34 (3,366 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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now without emtying the bin, I checked the filter housing | ||
| Post# 314310 , Reply# 149 2/3/2015 at 09:35 (3,366 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314311 , Reply# 150 2/3/2015 at 09:36 (3,366 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes that's more like it Alex nothing there to worry about. That is what mine looks like after a much longer period of time. | ||
| Post# 314317 , Reply# 151 2/3/2015 at 10:38 (3,366 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
This started happening with both my DC41 and DC65 from day one. I know the high efficiency cyclones will never be 100% efficient. As airflow amounts change due to the tools used, and whether or not something (like a sofa cushion) is cutting off the airflow into the machine - the cyclone's efficiency changes. I knew fine dust would escape the cyclones and collect on the pre-motor filter.
What bothered me was the amount of fine dust on the outside of the filter, in the tube. I too, thought it was coming "around" the filter - but I now know that wasn't the case. The trap door on the bin has a large gasket. When the bin is emptied, the fine dust (from the fine dust collector) on the gasket is being pushed "up" into the tube. Static electricity, as well as a puff of air as the bin bottom is closed, puffs a bit of fine dust into the tube. The problem is: as soon as the motor is started, this admittedly small amount of fine dust is inhaled into the motor. My DC65 and DC41's HEPA filters have dust on them when there normally would only be carbon residue. I believe the fault lies in the fact that the airflow is coming from the bottom, not the top. This same thing happened with the Bissell Heavy Duty - the dust on the bin trap door seal got into the 'clean' air going into the motor. The pictures are of my 2 year old DC41. The tremendous amount of fine dust that has escaped the cyclones is first. Second picture is of the seal on the bin trap door, showing how dangerously close the fine dust is to the motor's "clean" air intake. Third is of the fine dust collector - and how easy it is for this fine dust to find its way into the tube, as well as the motor's "clean" air intake. | ||
| Post# 314320 , Reply# 153 2/3/2015 at 11:02 (3,366 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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To be fair, I use the DC41 every day (five days per week) to clean the rugs in the vestibule at the Factory where we make Simplicity and Riccar and Maytag vacuums. The gravel driveway and parking lot, plus in the winter all the ice melt salt, means the Dyson is picking up lots of fine dust. I have NOT washed the pre-motor filter yet - it simply doesn't appear dirty enough on the inside to warrant this. And the machine runs, at the most, 10 minutes per day.
I've decided to wipe off the gasket in the bin door, to see if that will help - each time I empty the cleaner. Our country allows a vacuum to use up to 1200 watts (12 amps). I do own a number of European machines that use 240 volts. The suction was outstanding, but the motors sure sent out a lot of heat. Interesting that in two years, the maximum suction will be from a 900 watt motor in Europe, and we'll still have 1200 watt motors in the USA. How ironic. As one of the first people in the USA to even know what a Dyson was, I got in huge arguments with vacuum "experts" on various forums for YEARS about Dyson. Not any more. Don't care enough to argue. It's a vacuum cleaner. I love Dyson cleaners, and am always happy to see improvements. | ||
| Post# 314321 , Reply# 154 2/3/2015 at 11:02 (3,366 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314323 , Reply# 155 2/3/2015 at 11:05 (3,366 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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So the Dyson cyclones do do their job after all, properly! :) | ||
| Post# 314324 , Reply# 156 2/3/2015 at 11:07 (3,366 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314325 , Reply# 157 2/3/2015 at 11:08 (3,366 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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The DC41 Mk2 is 700w over here.I get into arguments all the time haha silly isn't it :-) I love Dyson cleaners too and Sebo, Miele and very impressed with the Riccar Brilliance. | ||
| Post# 314332 , Reply# 158 2/3/2015 at 11:56 (3,366 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314333 , Reply# 159 2/3/2015 at 12:02 (3,366 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314334 , Reply# 160 2/3/2015 at 12:05 (3,366 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314335 , Reply# 161 2/3/2015 at 12:07 (3,366 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Good for you Josh. Don't get into debt though. | ||
| Post# 314336 , Reply# 162 2/3/2015 at 12:07 (3,366 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314337 , Reply# 163 2/3/2015 at 12:08 (3,366 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314338 , Reply# 164 2/3/2015 at 12:10 (3,366 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314339 , Reply# 165 2/3/2015 at 12:11 (3,366 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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We have a little entrepreneur here :-) | ||
| Post# 314340 , Reply# 166 2/3/2015 at 12:13 (3,366 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314342 , Reply# 167 2/3/2015 at 12:15 (3,366 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Very nice! Josh you remind me of the school teenager who made LOADS AND LOADS of money selling sweets at school :) he got suspended. For it though! Stupid headteacher | ||
| Post# 314345 , Reply# 168 2/3/2015 at 12:21 (3,366 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Now now Alex :-) | ||
| Post# 314426 , Reply# 169 2/4/2015 at 08:24 (3,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314430 , Reply# 170 2/4/2015 at 10:21 (3,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314431 , Reply# 171 2/4/2015 at 10:27 (3,365 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio) | ||
You hit the nail on the head, Dysonman
This is an issue that all current dyson ball uprights have, including the new Cinetic Big Ball. When dumping the bin, a small amount of dust cross-contaminates the clean air path (the tube in the center of the bin), which will then get pulled through the motor and onto the exhaust filters. That could be part of the reason why the Big Ball has 2 HEPA exhaust filters. The cordless models and canister Dysons do NOT have the same issue, because the suction from the motor into the cyclone pack doesn't start at the bottom of the bin where it's dumped, but instead the top, and the dust can't easily enter the clean air path. This is something I thought would have been addressed right after the DC41, but Dyson has released several similar models since, and the issue persists.
I got a very used DC41 a few months ago, and while the pre-motor filter was very clean, the exhaust filter was quite dirty, and with more than just carbon dust. Haven't seen that on a Dyson in a while! The current Dyson uprights are better than ever in a lot of ways, but over the course of their lifetime, the new Dyson ball uprights will let a lot more dirt into the motor than most sealed vacuums. I hope it doesn't lead to premature motor issues. | ||
| Post# 314433 , Reply# 173 2/4/2015 at 10:37 (3,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314434 , Reply# 174 2/4/2015 at 10:40 (3,365 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I think they did it that way for maximum airflow. But there's always improvements that can be made :-) | ||
| Post# 314436 , Reply# 175 2/4/2015 at 10:50 (3,365 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio) | ||
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| Post# 314438 , Reply# 176 2/4/2015 at 10:54 (3,365 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes indeed. :-) | ||
| Post# 314439 , Reply# 177 2/4/2015 at 11:02 (3,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314440 , Reply# 178 2/4/2015 at 11:17 (3,365 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio) | ||
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The DC07 and DC08 had extremely elaborate ducting for the root cyclones to try to spread the workload out evenly. On the DC14, the design was simplified tremendously, and was immediately stolen by other manufacturers once the multi-cyclonic patents expired.
Here's the DC08 cyclone manifold in all its rooted glory.
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| Post# 314441 , Reply# 179 2/4/2015 at 11:20 (3,365 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314442 , Reply# 180 2/4/2015 at 11:22 (3,365 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314443 , Reply# 181 2/4/2015 at 11:24 (3,365 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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| Post# 314444 , Reply# 182 2/4/2015 at 11:27 (3,365 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Oh yeah it's a different set up. You got your Cinetic then Josh. How is it? | ||
| Post# 314445 , Reply# 183 2/4/2015 at 11:29 (3,365 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Can I see the bottom of the cyclone in bin? | ||
| Post# 314446 , Reply# 184 2/4/2015 at 11:30 (3,365 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314453 , Reply# 185 2/4/2015 at 11:55 (3,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314454 , Reply# 186 2/4/2015 at 12:03 (3,365 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Well I hope bags don't collect more dust than the Cinetic cause there's no pre motor filter! | ||
| Post# 314455 , Reply# 187 2/4/2015 at 12:05 (3,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314456 , Reply# 188 2/4/2015 at 12:06 (3,365 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314459 , Reply# 190 2/4/2015 at 12:11 (3,365 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha I'm sure they wouldn't release Cinetic without thoroughly testing and perfecting over a very long period of time. I'm sure it will work fine but only time will tell. | ||
| Post# 314460 , Reply# 191 2/4/2015 at 12:14 (3,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314461 , Reply# 192 2/4/2015 at 12:16 (3,365 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314462 , Reply# 193 2/4/2015 at 12:17 (3,365 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Personally I don't have a problem washing the filter every 3 to 6 months but some people either forget or can't be bothered so it's a good thing for them providing it works well of course. | ||
| Post# 314463 , Reply# 194 2/4/2015 at 12:19 (3,365 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314466 , Reply# 195 2/4/2015 at 14:08 (3,365 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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| Post# 314471 , Reply# 196 2/4/2015 at 15:35 (3,365 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314474 , Reply# 197 2/4/2015 at 16:25 (3,365 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Did anyone notice on the YouTube engineering demonstration of Cinetic 'science' - when they were demonstrating "ten years worth of dust" (they used a white powder), the opening of the hose is unobstructed? Having no attachment (like a crevice tool) on the end of the hose, allows maximum airflow (and maximum separation). But in regular, normal use, the amount of air into the machine is constantly changing, as the tools are used. As the machine goes from carpet (sealing to the soleplate) to floors (no seal), the amount of airflow into the cyclones changes. This change effects how efficiently the cyclones can separate (and in the case of the red tips on the cinetic models - how fast they oscillate). I would have liked to see the engineering department test for 'ten years' worth of dust using attachments, restricting maximum air movement. As it would have to cope with dust in normal home use.
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| Post# 314480 , Reply# 198 2/4/2015 at 17:23 (3,365 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland) | ||
 This thread worked better than any anti-depressant for me tonight!! What a laugh.
The bottom line is though, as I knew, Dyson will never manufacture a vacuum cleaner which meets 100% of its marketing promises.
On that note, I think I'll vacuum the living room with the 2011 Numatic Henry. At least that keeps the dust where it belongs... IN THE BAG! | ||
| Post# 314481 , Reply# 199 2/4/2015 at 17:24 (3,365 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Yes but Dysn are improving and are damn good for a bagless :) | ||
| Post# 314482 , Reply# 200 2/4/2015 at 17:30 (3,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314485 , Reply# 201 2/4/2015 at 17:42 (3,365 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314486 , Reply# 202 2/4/2015 at 18:00 (3,365 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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The Dual cyclonic technology was good, however the suction on them was not as good as modern machines. Since the DC07 was launched, the hose suction on them had been outstanding. Unfortunately they have the 200-255 AW now! | ||
| Post# 314492 , Reply# 203 2/4/2015 at 18:14 (3,365 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314535 , Reply# 206 2/4/2015 at 20:48 (3,365 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
Wow! Amazing all the squabbling & bickering over Dyson! Well, one thing for sure....Dyson screwed up the technology instead on the latest Ball models. Call me crazy, but I think I'll stick to my Miele & other vacuums that use HEPA Cloth bags & just throw them out instead. Much simpler & works much better at filtering than any Dyson.
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| Post# 314556 , Reply# 207 2/5/2015 at 01:49 (3,365 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Can't say I've noticed any serious flaws but what I have noticed is how clean my carpets are :-) | ||
| Post# 314558 , Reply# 208 2/5/2015 at 02:28 (3,364 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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| Post# 314669 , Reply# 209 2/5/2015 at 16:05 (3,364 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
You guys don't get it... The Dyson Ball design will always be plagued with problems. Mr. Dyson knows this. If the new Big Ball were perfect, then Mr. Dyson would have nowhere to go. He would have nothing to reinvent. That's why his marketing schemes are full of lies. His commercials state that the Cinetic has no filters and that the cyclones never clog. That's a lie. It has been proven that they are indeed capable of clogging.
I know that the bag in my Kirby will eventually fill up and need to be replaced approximately twice a year (it's a very large bag). No big deal. I just pull it out, drop it in the trash and pop in a new bag. Takes about 2 minutes twice a year. No filters to wash or replace or worry about. EVER! | ||
| Post# 314670 , Reply# 210 2/5/2015 at 16:09 (3,364 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314674 , Reply# 211 2/5/2015 at 16:40 (3,364 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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Not all true. I have a Heratige II Legend that is super quiet. Makes much less noise than any high pitched whiney bagless vacuum I've ever heard.
The bags are made of a high quality HEPA cloth material that filters down to 1 micron, as good or better than any bagless vacuum.
The Kirby"G" series is over 20 years old because it is such a good design. FACT: No one has come up with a design that cleans carpet any better than a "G" series Kirby. I have a Sentria and it is a beast when it comes down to cleaning carpet! | ||
| Post# 314679 , Reply# 212 2/5/2015 at 17:18 (3,364 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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Nobody cares about carpet cleaning anymore, they just want a do it all quick vacuum, and a Kirby is not that.
The G series is old now, and they need to make something that people want to by, people who buy Kirby's are forced into buying them. Some people want them but most people don't want the hassle. They want something quick, light and easy to use. | ||
| Post# 314680 , Reply# 213 2/5/2015 at 17:20 (3,364 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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why does someone have to go in to threads that had nothing to do with kirby and make it about kirby and say load of crap about dyson i find it really pathetic. This post was last edited 02/05/2015 at 17:36 | ||
| Post# 314683 , Reply# 214 2/5/2015 at 17:58 (3,364 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Nobody cares about carpet cleaning any more
Well, most owners don't. That's the harsh reality. Infact well before bagless vacs came on the market and when cheaper brands used to exist outside the realm of Hoover, Electrolux etc, most owners failed to change the dust bag until it was too late.
Which is different for most collectors who would rather either used a prized modern day daily driver or something vintage, because we can!! I dare say though that it won't be long until everyone who doesn't give a fig about a vacuum cleaner will go down the robotic route because, quite frankly in this day and age every home should really have a robotic vacuum cleaner by now. They're not all that expensive after all. | ||
| Post# 314761 , Reply# 215 2/6/2015 at 15:18 (3,363 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 314785 , Reply# 216 2/6/2015 at 18:14 (3,363 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Never seen a robotic disc on a shelf in Walmart? Oh my goodness. That surprises me given that you can get almost any kind of machine in the states.
I have no idea how robotic vacuums clean carpets in general BUT I have seen them in use in other homes. To my eyes they seem to leave carpets looking clean enough and do the job as designed. As for air watts? We all know its a Dyson fad word. But to keep you entertained, here we go - info taken online. For a cordless vacuum I would expect pretty low - lower than any mains corded dirty vacumm or clean air vacuum infact. From what I read online some brands like Neato and Roomba robotic discs offer 30 Air watts. Miele's Scout RX offers 22 Air Watts. The Bosch Athlet cordless stick vacuum released last year in Europe offers 40 Air watts. The Vax Cordless Air offers 21 Air Watts (same as Hoover Air Cordless) Dyson Hand Held DC35 60 Air Watts Suction, Im sure you will agree is not the be all and end all. Having had the Bosch Athlet for a short time, I was impressed with its power, but the pick up on the Vax Cordless Air is better as a cordless upright vacuum in my experience - based solely on its triple dust channel Windtunnel design. Suction through the hose is minimal, which is probably how its low air watts test was conducted. Plus, lets face it - whilst robotic vacuums for the moment exist in cordless discs for the moment, it won't be that long that other designs may well start to come onto the market. My point is, that we should be having lots of different robotic vacuums NOW. When you consider that electric cars have been around since 1995/7, technology may well be moving fast in most things, but not everything. | ||
| Post# 314788 , Reply# 217 2/6/2015 at 19:14 (3,363 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 314839 , Reply# 218 2/7/2015 at 13:28 (3,362 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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I HAVE seen the robotic cleaners at Walmart but never seen one in use except in a commercial on TV.
Without seeing one in use and in person I find it hard to believe that it can remove ground- in dirt on a thick plush carpet where I believe you would need a powerful upright vacuum. I picture the Roomba or similar device to be useful for picking up dust and debris like cereal from hard floors and low pile glued down carpet found in commercial environments. | ||
| Post# 314856 , Reply# 219 2/7/2015 at 18:13 (3,362 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314863 , Reply# 220 2/7/2015 at 19:33 (3,362 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Talking of commercial. There's also a few cordless discs by Karcher for the commercial market.
Can't be all that bad.
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| Post# 314892 , Reply# 221 2/8/2015 at 07:18 (3,361 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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Sptyks
"FACT: No one has come up with a design that cleans carpet any better than a "G" series Kirby."
Stan....are you sure about that? Tell ya what, I can say this from personal experience comparing my 2 Royals to my Kirby G4 & Kirby G6....go ahead & take a new Kirby Sentria II or Kirby Avalir & put it up against a brand new Royal Metal. I guarantee you the Royal will clean WAY BETTER than the Kirby. If I was buying a new upright & was comparing Royal to Kirby, I would definitely buy the Royal over the Kirby. Kirby may produce a good upright, & arguably one of the best cleaners on the market, but they have numerous improvements yet to make. They need to start putting a metal fan with more blades & deeper pitches that move more air, & they also need to adopt a brushroll with stiffeners like Royal has. And they also need to get rid of the second speed & go back to a single speed model, & put a suction vent on top of the powerhead for certain types of carpeting where some airflow needs to be released. Part of the reason why Royal moves so much more airflow isn't just the fan, but the fact it's constantly running on high speed for carpet cleaning, whereas Kirby G series always uses low speed, unless you "trick" the Kirby by using a small flat blade screwdriver to push the second rod in & activate high speed. Rob | ||
| Post# 314915 , Reply# 222 2/8/2015 at 11:00 (3,361 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314917 , Reply# 223 2/8/2015 at 11:05 (3,361 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 314921 , Reply# 224 2/8/2015 at 11:11 (3,361 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yeah faff faff faff :-) Heavy bulky noisy not the best filtration despite what they say but they do clean well and they are very reliable though. | ||
| Post# 314939 , Reply# 225 2/8/2015 at 15:56 (3,361 days old) by kirbyg6 (York) | ||
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| Post# 314940 , Reply# 226 2/8/2015 at 16:00 (3,361 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes I agree George it's about time they came out with something new and less heavy them I'd consider one. | ||
| Post# 314950 , Reply# 227 2/8/2015 at 18:08 (3,361 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 314952 , Reply# 228 2/8/2015 at 18:20 (3,361 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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Royal vs Kirby Well Rob, re (Reply #221),
I used to own a Royal 2075 that I got in 1998 which I used for 14 years until I got a seller refurbished Kirby Sentria (made in 2009) off ebay in September 2012. I was quite satisfied with the performance of the Royal 2075 until I got the Sentria.
I bought the Sentria because I was always curious about the Kirby vs Royal rivalry that I was reading about here on Vacuumland and wanted to compare them myself. I always took good care of my 2025 and replaced bags, belts and brushroll when needed.
The first time I fired up the Sentria I turned on the Tech Drive and was amazed at how easy it was to push and pull across my plush medium pile carpet. It manuvered very well for a machine that was 8 lbs heavier than the 2025. After a few days of vacuuming with the Sentria, I decided to do a performanmce test of the 2 machines.
The Sentria was polished to a high brilliance and came with new cloth HEPA bag ,belt, and the new High Performance (extra stiff) brushroll already installed. The bag was less than 1/4 full, so I left it in place. The Royal had a brushroll and belt that I installed less than 6 months earlier. The bag was almost half full so I replaced it with a new bag. I also put on a new belt.
Now time to do the test. I have a light beige carpet so I decided to use coffee grounds for a good contrast. I got this idea from a post on Vacuumland. I took 1 cup of fresh coffe grounds and a spread them over a 4 foot by two foot section of my living room carpet. I took another cup of coffee grounds and spread them over another 4 foot by 2 foot section of my living room carpet. I fired up the Royal and ran it one time up and one time back. I repeated this procedure with the Kirby on the other test section of my carpet. I then got on my hands and knees and closely inspected both sections of the carpet. Both machines did an excellent job but the Royal clearly left slightly more coffee grounds on that section of carpet. So, IMHO, in this test, the Kirby Sentria won.
I tried the test of tricking the Sentria to being in high speed mode with the nozzle on. I turned the Sentri on and lowered the nozzle to the height that I usually use to vacuum my carpet. The suction was so great that I could hardly push the machine with the tech drive turned off. With the Tech Drive turned on, It was almost the same effort needed to push when the motor is at normal speed, but at high speed I could hear the gears straining with a very noticeable whining noise.
I did some research and discovered that the two speed motor in the Kirby G series spins at 13,000 RPM at normal speed which provides about the same or even greater airflow than most other "direct air" vacuum cleaners on carpet. At high speed the motor spins at about 16,800 RPM. This is only used for that extra suction needed when using the hose. FYI there is a youtube video where the Baird Airflow Indicator was used on a Royal Everlast. When connected to the hose, and on a scale of 0 to 10, it reads around a 4 or 5 on the meter. I own a Baird meter and when I connect it to the hose of my Sentria it reads a 7.5. When connected directly to the fan opening, it reads a 10 which is basically pegging the meter.
If you care to know how the new Kirby Amodel fan was designed, check the link below.
By the way, I now own 5 Kirbys and I gave my Royal 2075 to a friend who needed a good upright vacuum.
Sorry this post is so long. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sptyks's LINK This post was last edited 02/08/2015 at 18:37 | ||
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