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Post# 310848   1/4/2015 at 09:39 (2,208 days old) by orecklover ()        

I personally love cars and so do a lot of people in my family. Even though I am only 13, I have my own car already. It's a 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo. As I don't play any sports and sports never interested me, my parents decided that they would let me mess around with cars as a hobby. My parents have a 2012 Buick Enclave (purchased in 2012 for $51,980) and a 2009 Chevrolet Suburban 2500 (purchased in 2009 for $48,400). Most of my family members have GM cars. My grandma and my uncle both have Cadillacs and my other aunts and uncles have GM vehicles. Except for some of my cousins have cars such as Lexus's and Mercedes-Benz's. Cars are my passion other than vacuums. What kind of cars fdo you guys have or want?tongue-out

Post# 310851 , Reply# 1   1/4/2015 at 10:03 (2,208 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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We have a Chrysler 300C which I got new in 05 and it has never missed a beat. My wife uses that now. We have a Merc Sprinter van for the shop as well. 


I have a Range Rover Sport now. I'll stick a photo here of it and the van as some may appreciate the registration plates. 

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Post# 310853 , Reply# 2   1/4/2015 at 10:28 (2,208 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
My aunt had 2 Lincoln Town Cars. I drove her everywhere.

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I loved those cars.
I like GM too. I have a Chevy Cobalt.... has everything in it. It serves me well.

I don't collect cars, but I really enjoy them.
I enjoy older Cadillacs, T-Birds, etc...

Post# 310854 , Reply# 3   1/4/2015 at 10:34 (2,208 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Her Lincolns were Midnight blue.

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She lovs blue cars.
Mine is red. I've had 3 red cars so far.
It really doesn't matter, as long as it works.
Some hate/ridicule red cars or the people who drive them. Isn't that ridiculous?????
We like what we like... Some little sporty sexy cars look very sharp in red... candy apple red can be a fun car!

Post# 310861 , Reply# 4   1/4/2015 at 12:42 (2,208 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Our current car is a 2000 Ford Focus 1.8 LX with 183,000 miles on the odometer and still going strong.


It's predecessor was a rather better looking 1997 Ford Fiesta 1.25 Ghia, but unfortunately as is the way with Fords corrosion got the better of her undercarriage and it would have been too expensive for us to repair.


Fortunately it was sold on to a mechanic who did the work himself and put the car back on the road, however it was declared off the road about 6 months ago and now the registration number can no longer be found on the DVLA website, indicating it may have been scrapped. 



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Post# 310865 , Reply# 5   1/4/2015 at 13:54 (2,207 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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2000 Buick Park Avenue.Bought 9 years ago, second one.Need some soft ride, can't ride in brother's new MB, too much jarring getting through to my joints and back. It works well and does better mileage than many would guess.Paid for, cheap to insure, dead reliable.

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Post# 310867 , Reply# 6   1/4/2015 at 14:05 (2,207 days old) by smow69 (Pryor Oklahoma)        
chevy equinox

dont have it yet but picking it up monday afternoon so excited always wanted one from the time thay came out got my wish.charcoal grey very nice.i will post pics after i get it.

Post# 310881 , Reply# 7   1/4/2015 at 16:15 (2,207 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        

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I have a 2000 Nissan Xterra SE I bought from my brother in 2007, and a 1990 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser wagon I bought in January, 2013. Our dad was GM all the way after he got rid of our 1951 Mercury coupe. His mother left him GM stock when she passed.

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Post# 310902 , Reply# 8   1/4/2015 at 20:15 (2,207 days old) by constellation86 (Roy, UT)        

I have had lots of cars over the years. I always had GM stuff but I had a Buick Park Avenue that fell apart at 100,000 miles. I was tired of having problems and breakdowns so I switched to Toyota. My current car is a Camry hybrid. My wife has the van in the back.

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Post# 310948 , Reply# 9   1/5/2015 at 03:24 (2,207 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I am not a car person or have a passion for them-my brothers do,however.I currently have a 2012 Toyota Highlander Hybrid Limited.Enjoy this car alot-and it gets me to and from work in even the most worst weather!I work an "essentual Person" job so I have to make an effort to get to work no matter what.The Toyota has been up to that.And its as reliable as the old school Maytag washer!When I bought my car--there was a Highlander in the showroom with a big sign on it that read "500,000 miles"The car was owned by a farm feed dealer-used it to delivor pig and turkey feeds to farms.I mentioned to the salesman--"I want to keep my car that long-you can put that sign on my car when I trade it in!"The dealer said that Highlander was still rideable-and asked if I wanted to buy it!--He asked"You want a second car don't you?"Nice--but too expensive.

Post# 310960 , Reply# 10   1/5/2015 at 08:47 (2,207 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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My last 4 vehicles have been Toyota made. I have sworn off of GM and Chrysler after having numerous problems with their vehicles. I have yet to try Ford. Currently I have a 2012 Toyota Venza AWD. Previous to that I had a 2008 Lexus (division of Toyota) IS250 AWD, 2004 Toyota Solara, and a 2001 Toyota Solara.


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Post# 310962 , Reply# 11   1/5/2015 at 09:23 (2,207 days old) by thunderhexed (Edmond, OK)        
Hyundai Elantra

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I've always had a soft spot for smaller cars. I've had larger cars, and for some reason, I've always gone back to smaller ones. I guess it's because my very first car was a small Honda and I've just gotten used to them - plus I enjoy driving an economically efficient vehicle due to my 45 min commute to work.

It's been a very comfortable car so far and came with an excellent warranty! Has everything I need on it and gets loads of compliments!

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Post# 310987 , Reply# 12   1/5/2015 at 15:00 (2,206 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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My Current ride is a Hyundai i20 1.6 Turbo. Its wickedly fast. I bought it because I needed something with better fuel consumption due the the fac that I had moved our vacshop to a bigger premises but it was much much further away. It was supposed to be my to and from work car but it has become my all the time car due to the fact its so much fun to drive and a bit of a sleeper, Its looks hide the monster beneath.
I have always had massive cars before, and this is my first pocket rocket.

I also have a Merc e class 124 series that has a 5L v8 fitted. This now hardly gets driven :( . I love mercs and am busy with another Merc project having just finished off a 123 coupe and then selling it to someone with far to much money :)

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Post# 310988 , Reply# 13   1/5/2015 at 15:03 (2,206 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        

I am currently driving my second Jeep a 2004 Grand Cherokee with 50,400 miles on it. The first Jeep GC a 1998 ZJ body died a terrible death when it's engine came through the firewall.
I got the current one a week after that wreck, just don't drive that much anymore. Never know when you are going to meet a drunk, so I either stay off the road when possible, or drive a big vehicle.

Post# 311004 , Reply# 14   1/5/2015 at 16:13 (2,206 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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These days smaller cars are just as safe as big cars Often even safer than big cars that are only a few years old. Just view u tube to see what happens when they smash a smart car into a 10 year old s class Merc. Logic dictates that you would be better off on the big merc but modern saftey features say other wise.

many of your bigger SUV's actually have a poorer crash rating than smaller cars due to their harder design for off road or commercial underpinnings. If your car has poor crumple zones to absorb impact you become the crumple zone.

Last year in June my wife was driving the car I pictured above. It was pouring down with rain ( first heavy rain for a few weeks) Their was a large diesle spill on the road and she hit it and went straight into a bridge post at about 60 kph

She walked away from the accident with no injury's and again thanks to modern technology they simply unbolted the front end and fitted a new one. We had the car back in two weeks. 7 months on not a rattle or a squeek from it. The repair bill for the car came to just over $7000.00 thank heavens for insurance .

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Post# 311042 , Reply# 15   1/6/2015 at 08:59 (2,206 days old) by sonnyndad ()        

One car that I think is pretty cool is the Jeep Grand Wagoneer. I'd like to have one in good shape one day. The 1987-1991's are said to be the most desirable.

Post# 311044 , Reply# 16   1/6/2015 at 09:28 (2,206 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        

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Post# 311045 , Reply# 17   1/6/2015 at 09:33 (2,206 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        
Alan, Cory, Clayton...

Alan, that's a great looking station wagon! Some friends of mine had the Buick Estate version, I believe that's what it was called. It was like riding in a Cadillac, white with the woodgrain and buckskin interior, it was the bomb!

Cory, that's a great color, gun-metal grayish, I'm sure there's a proper name for it. Two friends of mine have Elantras, and one is on their third Sonata, and they all love them. I have rented Sonatas and Kia Optimas and was very impressed, they have to be hurting Toyota and Honda sales big time.

Clayton, those were the days of the Wagoneers, chrome everywhere! If I ever saw one of those in pristine condtion on a lot, I would plotz! That's a great color on your pic. You don't see many of those around here, I think they might've rusted badly in the midwest. I know I've seen a few of them in movies, but rarely in person anymore.

Post# 311065 , Reply# 18   1/6/2015 at 12:58 (2,206 days old) by midcenturyfan (Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England)        

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I am also a car enthusiast. I have various vehicles, dating from the 1930's to the 1970's. I have attached photos of some of my collection.


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Post# 311070 , Reply# 19   1/6/2015 at 14:53 (2,205 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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Splendid looking cars Midcenturyman! tongue-out

Post# 311076 , Reply# 20   1/6/2015 at 15:38 (2,205 days old) by electrikbroomgu (Rome, NY)        

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I currently have a 1981 Pontiac Trans Am Nascar edition pace car replica that is enjoying it's annual nap while Winter rages on. She comes out in May. My Summer driver is a 1996 Caprice and my year round car is a red 2013 Impala LT with moon roof and a monster 3.6 liter V6 under hood that really makes this car fly when needed and gets 31 plus MPG on the open road. I only have a pic of the 96 Caprice at the moment and here she is with only 88K miles on the clock. No troubles with these GM cars. There is a reason Caprices, Impalas, Crown Vic and Taurus's were used for law enforcement and severe taxi use. They are long lasting reliable sedans and all the ones my family and friends have owned over the years have been very reliable overall.

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Post# 311179 , Reply# 21   1/7/2015 at 15:26 (2,204 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I Love the Caprice . We never got them here but their are a few floating around because of Movies that are been Filmed in Cape Town. Most are in USA Cop Car Colours although I ave seen a few yellow ones too. I love how big they are. With most of our cars been German or Japanese based we do not get really big cars here so these stand out in traffic.


Post# 311201 , Reply# 22   1/7/2015 at 18:20 (2,204 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
To all that think old large cars are

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Safe you need to see this proof that they are not safe at all ...

All I can say is thank God they don't build em like they used to !!!


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Post# 311206 , Reply# 23   1/7/2015 at 18:49 (2,204 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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My family is also loyal to Toyota. Our current vehicles are a 2007 Camry Hybrid and a 2006 Sequoia. Absolutely zero mechanical issues over the life of the cars. Many times we'll drive over a 100 miles a day in the Camry.  Most their use was in the hot central Arizona desert, which can be brutal. Both have about 120,000 miles on them, but with such great reliability we don't plan on turing them in anytime soon. 


However, I must say that Grand Wagoneer is pretty sleek.   I'd probably prefer a smaller early Cherokee, but you can't go wrong with a woody!   

Post# 311207 , Reply# 24   1/7/2015 at 18:51 (2,204 days old) by orecklover ()        

that doesn't prove anything. In that crash test is a 1950's Chevy Bel Air the people who poted above are talking about cars made in the 1980's and 1990's. Since the 1950's safety in cars has gotten better by so much. Comparing a 1950's car to a more modern one is simply not reasonable considering how many safety features a 1950's car lacks. The cars the people above are talking about are made in the 1980's and 1990's where safety was improved. Those cars actually have air bags and other safety innovations that they didn't have in the 50's. That crash test you provided proves nothing but that cars in the 50's were not safe. In the 1990's the safety in cars has been changed so much.

Post# 311212 , Reply# 25   1/7/2015 at 22:12 (2,204 days old) by tazcatsdad (Buffalo, NY)        
I just upgraded ...

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I had been driving a 2008 Honda Civic LX for the last four years, and this past August I decided that it was time for a change.  So I bought my first Hyundai: a 2013 Sonata GLS.  It's a radical departure from everything I've ever driven!  It has everything in it that I wanted and then some.


Hyundai has come a long way here in the USA since their first car, the Excel, debuted in 1986: they've made great strides in design and quality, and because I'd heard nothing but good things about them from people I knew who had them I decided I'd give one a try -- and I'm glad I did.


Oh -- in the 30+ years that I've been driving I've also owned two Fords, a Chrysler, a Suzuki, two Nissans, a Mitsubishi, a Pontiac, an Oldsmobile, and four Chevrolets.  And I'm sorry to say but because of all the problems that the company itself has been embroiled in PLUS an extremely bad customer service experience I had with a local dealership, I will never buy another GM vehicle.  I wish I didn't have to feel this way about an American company, but ...


Bill W.

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Post# 311213 , Reply# 26   1/7/2015 at 22:12 (2,204 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        

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You are so correct. I personally love the Lincoln Town Cars and Cadillacs.
Every safety feature is there. There are so many airbags it's like being surrounded by a giant marshmallow!
I know VERY well how "unsafe" those big cars from the 50s were.
One July5,back in the '60s, a drunk driver ran a stop sign, hit our car head on. This was before DUIs, DWIs, lawsuits, Oprah!
The front seats was like a sofa "bench". There were NO seatbelts in the car... they came later.
We were hit so hard, I was thrown into the back of the front seat. I was seated in the back seat.
I ended up w/ a broken back. To this day, I have absolutely NO recollection of it at all. The mind CAN be very kind. When my mom died, I found all of the papers detailing the entire event.
I'm sure it's better I don't recall it. I DO remember wearing a brace for years, though.
So, yes, everyone realizes how unsafe older cars can be.
But, 1990s............. whole different story.

Post# 311215 , Reply# 27   1/7/2015 at 22:27 (2,204 days old) by vacuumfreak95 (Aransas Pass, Tx)        

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I have a 2003 Buick Lesabre with 81,000 miles. Soft ride and pretty good gas mileage.

Post# 311221 , Reply# 28   1/7/2015 at 23:26 (2,204 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
I drive the inventor of gasoline powered automobile

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And the pioneer of today's safety features in automobiles ,Numerous technological innovations have been introduced on Mercedes-Benz automobiles throughout the many years of their production, including:

The internal combustion engined automobile was developed independently by Benz and Daimler & Maybach in 1886
Daimler invented the honeycomb radiator of the type still used on all water-cooled vehicles today
Daimler invented the float carburetor which was used until replaced by fuel injection
The "drop chassis" – the car originally designated the "Mercedes" by Daimler was also the first car with a modern configuration, having the carriage lowered and set between the front and rear wheels, with a front engine and powered rear wheels. All earlier cars were "horseless carriages", which had high centres of gravity and various engine/drive-train configurations
The first passenger road car to have brakes on all four wheels (1924)[72]
In 1936, the Mercedes-Benz 260 D was the first diesel powered passenger car.
Mercedes-Benz were the first to offer direct fuel injection on the Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing
The "safety cage" or "safety cell" construction with front and rear crumple zones was first developed by Mercedes-Benz in 1951. This is considered by many as the most important innovation in automobile construction from a safety standpoint[5][verification needed]
In 1959, Mercedes-Benz patented a device that prevents drive wheels from spinning by intervening at the engine, transmission, or brakes. In 1987, Mercedes-Benz applied its patent by introducing a traction control system that worked under both braking and acceleration
an Anti-Lock Brake system (ABS) was first offered on the W116 450SEL 6.9. They became standard on the W12The (W211) E320 CDI which has a variable geometry turbocharger (VGT) 3.0-litre V6 common rail diesel engine (producing 224 hp or 167 kW), set three world endurance records. It covered 100,000 miles (160,000 km) in a record time, with an average speed of 224.823 km/h (139.70 mph). Three identical cars did the endurance run (one set above record) and the other two cars set world records for time taken to cover 100,000 kilometres (62,137 mi) and 50,000 miles (80,000 km) respectively. After all three cars had completed the run, their combined distance was 300,000 miles (480,000 km) (all records were FIA approved).[74][clarification needed]
Mercedes-Benz pioneered a system called Pre-Safe to detect an imminent crash – and prepares the car's safety systems to respond optimally. It also calculates the optimal braking force required to avoid an accident in emergency situations, and makes it immediately available for when the driver depresses the brake pedal. Occupants are also prepared by tightening the seat belt, closing the sunroof and windows, and moving the seats into the optimal position.6 S-Class starting production in 1979 and first sold in most markets iAt 181 horsepower per litre, the M133 engine installed in Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG is the most powerful series production four-cylinder turbocharged motor (as of June 2013) and has one of the highest power density for a passenger vehicle.[75]
Half a century of vehicle safety innovation helped win Mercedes-Benz the Safety Award at the 2007 What Car? Awards.[72]n 1980.
Airbags were first introduced in the European market, beginning with model year 1981 S-Class.
Mercedes-Benz was the first to introduce pre-tensioners to seat belts on the 1981 S-Class. In the event of a crash, a pre-tensioner will tighten the belt instantaneously, removing any 'slack' in the belt, which prevents the occupant from jerking forward in a crash
In September 2003, Mercedes-Benz introduced the world's first seven-speed automatic transmission called '7G-Tronic'
Electronic Stability Programme (ESP), brake assist,[73] and many other types of safety equipment were all developed, tested, and implemented into passenger cars – first – by Mercedes-Benz. Mercedes-Benz has not made a large fuss about its innovations, and has even licensed them for use by competitors – in the name of improving automobile and passenger safety. As a result, crumple zones and anti-lock brakes (ABS) are now standard on all modern vehicles.

"The best or nothing "
"When only the best will do "
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Post# 311227 , Reply# 29   1/8/2015 at 01:18 (2,204 days old) by ryan1994jeep (Georgia)        
Jeep All The Way

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You can't go wrong with a Jeep. I had a 1994 Grand Cherokee that had 280,000 miles when I traded it in. Then I bought a 2007 Grand Cherokee that's fixing to roll on to the 200,000 club. I will always have one. It's never let me down or on the side of the road. I have to admit I am a sucker for a Chevy Tahoe, Range Rover,and Land Rover LR3/LR4. 


On another note Jeep is supposed to be bringing back the Grand Wagoneer. I liked the Jeep Commander when it came out in 2006. I always thought they should have called it the Grand Wagoneer.

Post# 311232 , Reply# 30   1/8/2015 at 02:13 (2,204 days old) by midcenturyfan (Kings Lynn, Norfolk, England)        

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I obviously agree that modern vehicles have infinitely better safety features than were available in the past. This is obviously a good thing, and I work in a hospital, so I see car crash victims.

However, I still enjoy driving historic vehicles, and I am prepared to accept the risks involved, in the same way that people that play sports, or climb mountains, accept the risks. This seems to offend some people. I have even had a lecture about the safety of classic cars from someone who rides a motorcycle.


Post# 311233 , Reply# 31   1/8/2015 at 02:36 (2,204 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

That crash video involving the 59 Chevy vs the newer one makes me think of the head on crashes that used to be done with old steam locomotives that were going to be retired from duty and scrapped.It was a community event--everyone attended.The locomotives in volved often had rams welded onto them to rupture the boilers for even more effect-and danger.Have an old video of this somewhere in my collections of railroad videos.Quite spectacular-fortunately the audience was seated far enough away so they would not get hurt or killed.
Don't understand in the Mercedes post about the 6Cyl rail diesel engine.Loco engines are a whole diffrent beast than that used in cars.Were talking engines closer to that used in ships-often starting at 1500Hp to 6500Hp and up to 18 cylinders.The loco engine ran a generator that powered the locomotive traction motors that drove the wheels.the torque of the diesel alone could not start a loaded train-the motors could develop that torque though from the generator.First it was compound wound DC motor-now its VFD driven AC motors.At best that "small" 6 cyl engine would be used in a "doodlebug" car-powered passenger car that isn't pulled by a locomotive.Often on commuter trains.Often two or more of that sized engine would be used.Used like a traction motor.Each wheelset has one.Or that small engine could have other uses-Doodlebug trains for carrying rail maintenance crews,and on long freight trains for pumping air for the brake systems--"Compressor" car.And another rail use-very small yard switch locomotives for moving only one or two cars at a time-often in industrial rail yards.

Post# 311242 , Reply# 32   1/8/2015 at 08:34 (2,204 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        

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I love seeing all the cars on this thread, and all the places they're located. Safety, I can remember reading that the 1956 Ford got some heat from critics and buyers because it was "implied" that the product was unsafe. Ford introduced the deep dish steering wheel, safety belts, possibly the padded dash, I'm just going from memory, I haven't done an in depth safety study. I was almost killed in a 1995 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera SL four door. It had the front safety harnesses mounted in the doors, and a big old fat airbag that helped chip my front tooth, and helped me get some fractured ribs. I'm sure the harness helped a lot too. Better than being dead though. I broke every bone in my right leg,  and ankle. My Custom Cruiser has the belts anchored in the front doors too, and a thinly padded steering wheel center. I do not want to crash in that car. 


Olds Custom Cruisers were the least luxurious of the 1977-1990 B bodied "box wagons" that we wagon nuts refer to the Pontiac Safaris, Chevrolet Caprice Estates, Cruisers, and Buick Estate Wagons of the same period. I looked at the Buick Le Sabre/Electra Estate wagons, the ultimate plushmobiles when ordered that way. You could get really cheap Estates with government fleet interiors and zero options. I even love the fake burled woodgrain they slathered their interiors with.

Post# 311246 , Reply# 33   1/8/2015 at 09:42 (2,204 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I may be wrong, no really! But I think with Mercedes claims on the safety equipment their first was offering it as standard equipment and normally on the S class of course. We had traction control,anti lock braking and air bags here in the Early 70s, nobody wanted to buy them, they were optional.

Post# 311265 , Reply# 34   1/8/2015 at 11:27 (2,204 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Every single innovation starts

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With the S class then the very next year it is applied to all of their models that's how it has been from the beginning but it always goes to all models .


Post# 311283 , Reply# 35   1/8/2015 at 14:09 (2,203 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

I've had a few cars over the years.

A late MK4 VW Golf - Was a superb car.
Volvo S40 (2003) - Was a superb car.
BMW E46 Facelift - Superb build quality but major reliability issues.
A battered 98 VW Polo - 180k on the clock and never let me down!
First car was a Pug 306 - I knew nothing about cars when I bought it. It was rubbish and I'll never buy another French car.

Have quite a thing for VW, Audi, Volvo, BMW ect..... I like the solid build quality you tend to get with these brands.

Currently have a R56 Cooper. Love it to bits. I drive for a living so wanted something fun for when I'm not at work.

So far it has 25k miles on it so it's still a baby.
Usual stuff on it that you'd expect from BMW group... Auto climate control, half leather sports seats, bluetooth, stop/start and my favouite bit about it - the John Cooper Works bodykit
Since buying I've changed a few bits... Had the alloy wheel colour changed and removed the white stripes from the bonnet. Also put my private number plate on it too.

The pic where it is all wet from being washed is the latest pic & how the car currently stands.

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Post# 311288 , Reply# 36   1/8/2015 at 15:03 (2,203 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"The best or nothing "
"When only the best will do "


That's why we drive a Ford... wink


Sorry, couldn't resist.


In seriousness though, over the past 7 years Fords have seen us through thick and thin and never ONCE broken down (and I'm not talking about new models, I mean older cars that you would expect to have issues).  I can't comment on Mercedes', but I can be certain they couldn't do better.  Maybe not worse, but certainly not better...  The only difference is, they cost more!

Post# 311308 , Reply# 37   1/8/2015 at 16:54 (2,203 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
If I were to

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Drive American it would be either a Ford or a Lincoln .

Never a GM with all the recalls and they're cars are just plain ugly no sense of style unlike the gorgeous Ford and Lincoln's of today .

Chrysler doesn't appreal to me just the Jeep Grand Cherokee that's it .


Post# 311315 , Reply# 38   1/8/2015 at 18:08 (2,203 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
car safety/airbag trivia

Some great cars and info above.
Who can tell me when and what two full size cars had the first available airbags?(Not the test fleet studied by the insurance industry.)Also when the general idea of airbags was patented?Hint-Not the 90s or 80s.
To continue Mercedes safety features-
At one time the paint colors were rated for safety as being more or less visible to others in dark conditions.
The horizonal grooves across tail lights allow air and rain to clean them.and more.

Post# 311318 , Reply# 39   1/8/2015 at 18:20 (2,203 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Oldsmobile Toronado

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And Cadillac .

1968 the patent

Pretty Kool about Mercedes lights with the grooves I always wondered why they were on all of the Benz's I have owned .


Post# 311319 , Reply# 40   1/8/2015 at 18:27 (2,203 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
almost but not quite

They had airbags in the steering wheel(that could not have the tilt/telescope option)and at the glove box location.The glove box was moved to front center on these few airbag cars.
Now-the year? and time of first patent?

Post# 311322 , Reply# 41   1/8/2015 at 18:38 (2,203 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Chiming in here.
I'm devoted to Subaru's.
Many of the larger American autos - Ford, GM, Chrysler - I've driven and like very much (but they got no station wagons :-()
Have no use for over-engineered, gimicky bloated cost European fad cars.

For my size and needs, Subaru has the luxury and performance I desire. Their AWD system is demonstably superior to everything else out there in the consumer market.

Got a buddy has a Subaru Tribeca. Puts to shame all other SUV-sized 'luxury' brands.
The Lincoln line has my attention. I'll be at the Detroit Auto Show in a few weeks scoping it all out...

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Post# 311323 , Reply# 42   1/8/2015 at 18:50 (2,203 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Love the new Mini.Have a few dicests & such. Have the Dealership debut RC model as well.

My first three cars were Minis through the 70 - 80s.
A baby blue 1962 sliding window puddle-jumper, a Green 75 w 1275 cc, and lastly a Black de-seamed last of the Canadian model 1986 Cooper S. Good memories.

Dr buddy in San Francisco bought one of the first fully loaded, green with the white roof & sunroof like the one front of picture. Drove it while visiting and took us all the way up the Observatory Hill. What a hoot!

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Post# 311326 , Reply# 43   1/8/2015 at 19:26 (2,203 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        
Mine is in my avatar

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1983 Cadillac El Ballero ordered in 1982 for my high school graduation present, hand picked all the interior combinations, colour trim lines including the grille with flying lady (which I took off & replaced with Caddy shield) & trunk straps, imts car telephone/pa system and delivered in 1983. I should have gotten the convertible but I liked the bars on the side because it reminded me of the Zimmer Golden Spirit that my neighbour had but didn't want to copy them.

Post# 311329 , Reply# 44   1/8/2015 at 21:10 (2,203 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I think the first air bags I saw was Olds full size, but I thought toro too, around 73

Post# 311369 , Reply# 45   1/9/2015 at 09:32 (2,203 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
Air Bags & more

1974 Olds 98 & Cadillac were the first you could buy with air bags but with limited demand I think they were one year only until required and then driver only.But not Toronado or Eldorado.The new glove box may have sat on the transmission hump that the FWD would not have.I have seen one Cadillac and have the air bag showroom folder for at least Oldsmobile 'in a box somewhere.'I once knew someone who bought a nice used 71 Sedan de Ville.All was well until the front bumper was bumped.When making repairs with what should have been correct parts they did not fit.GM later informed him that it had been a test car for air bags(removed before sale).
But speaking of Toronado-
First I hope everyone knows the date of first and what it had that had not been seen on an American car in decades.
But from 1974 & maybe a couple more years what other safety feature did Toronado and Buick Riviera have first?They had 2 instead of the 1 required later and were an attractive part of the styling unlike some seen later.

Post# 311375 , Reply# 46   1/9/2015 at 09:55 (2,203 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        
Ford LaTosca, and Alex Tremulis-something different

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Alex would be 101 on January 23, worked at Cord, Tucker, Kaiser, and Ford, before starting his own design studio in 1963. Interesting story. 


Post# 311379 , Reply# 47   1/9/2015 at 10:18 (2,203 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I remember the cars at the auto auction and I THINK they had passenger side air bag also?? I thought I saw a Toro with them, but its been 30 years. Brake lamps of course, starting in 71

Post# 311384 , Reply# 48   1/9/2015 at 10:48 (2,203 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
1966 Oldsmobile Toronado

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Was the first car in the US to feature front wheel drive .


Post# 311388 , Reply# 49   1/9/2015 at 11:11 (2,203 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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No, first modern car.

Post# 311394 , Reply# 50   1/9/2015 at 12:00 (2,203 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Yup, first affordable North AMERiCAN consumer car to feature fwd.
Cord and others had it back in the late '20s & 30s.

And then there's the Mini. came out in 1959 and ate Fiat, Messerscmidt/BMW Isetta and the Beetle for lunch.

Post# 311408 , Reply# 51   1/9/2015 at 14:46 (2,202 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
1966 Motor Trend Car of the Year-

Olds Toronado.And as above what they had first later along with Riviera was upper level tail lights.2 not 1 and nicely styled between trunk lid and rear window.
Early air bag patent-According to a TV documentary (Learning Channel?)a WWII vet had the idea of a car crash triggering an explosive that would inflate a bag or dash pad and received a patent in the early 50s.

Post# 311446 , Reply# 52   1/9/2015 at 20:30 (2,202 days old) by Brandon_W_T ()        

My vehicles in order of when I owned them

1967 VW beetle (red one)
1966 VW beetle (blue one)
1973 VW bus -non camper 3 row seating
1985 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Hatch
1966 Ford F100 4.9litre Inline-6 2WD custom cab
2012 Volkswagen Passat 2.5
2013 Fiat Abarth 5 speed

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Post# 311453 , Reply# 53   1/9/2015 at 21:05 (2,202 days old) by fanonthefloor (Dearing,Georgia)        

I drive a 1999 GMC Yukon which I love. I love Gm trucks from that time period because they were built very well and had a lot of modern conveniences.

Post# 311456 , Reply# 54   1/9/2015 at 21:51 (2,202 days old) by Dustin (Jackson, MI)        

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I have had several cars over the years,the majority of them being GM, and those have been the most reliable. My first car, back in about 2008, was a 1987 Dodge Caravan. That was pretty much my training wheels for a real car, I loved it but it needed lots of work. I had it a year almost to the day, then sold it and got my favorite car to this day: a 1996 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme- drove that for about a year until the frame rusted out and it wasn't safe anymore, then saved my pennies and bought a 1992 Cadillac Sedan Deville- beautiful car and only had about 100,000 miles, drove great, and really floated, but oh boy was it thirsty! And only ran on premium, at about $5 a gallon. That didn't last more than a few months, and I traded it in on my worst nightmare: 2000 Mazda 626. Only had 100,000 miles when I bough it, and I spent more on repairs (and oil!) than gas. I put 20,000 miles on it, and it burned a quart of oil every 200 miles... When it could no longer be driven (without a new engine), I sold that and bought my current car, a 2003 Chevy Impala, which I have been very pleased with. It is unfortunately pretty much worn out (engine and transmission), because the previous owner didn't maintain it at all. I bought it with 162,000 miles, and have ran it up to 188,000, with little more than oil changes. I would buy another Impala in a heartbeat, but I do believe my next car is going to be a 1996 Nissan Maxima with about 240,000 (Immaculately maintained, rust free!) Miles. Looks nearly new and drives like new; a family member is getting a new car in the spring and I am buying the car from them. Seems like a lot of miles but I know it's been maintained properly and that makes all the difference!

Post# 311461 , Reply# 55   1/9/2015 at 23:02 (2,202 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        

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Post# 311968 , Reply# 56   1/14/2015 at 17:13 (2,197 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I also love cars, specifically VAG products. My first car was a '98 Audi A3 TDI with 160,000 miles on the clock. It is now my 17 year old cousins and it is still going strong, not a squeak or rattle, doesn't use a drop of oil.
I am very fussy when it comes to build quality, and no other car manufacturer builds cars like Audi, not even Lexus. The extensive use of stainless steel bolts, nuts and screws, laser seam welding, forged steel door hinges, 9 layers of paint add up to cars which are built like tiger tanks. In Europe, one of the most durable engines available isn't an American V8 from the 80's, but the 1.9PD TDI diesel which was used in Audis, VW's, Skoda and Seats during the later 90s up until only 5 or 6 years ago, replaced by the more efficient common rail TDI's.

Volkswagen group cars reach spaceship mileages. They are still sellable at 150 - 200k. It is all about how they are looked after. They are highly tuned, precision made pieces of kits. I know, I have been to Volkswagen Wolfsburg, as well as being able to get the opportunity to go to the R&D facility. They have every other make of car their, stripped down, comparing their parts to see how they can make theirs better. One of the engineers said to me "our last real rival was Honda. Not anymore" Tells you a lot.

There are people who claim VW's are unreliable, getting bad rep for reliability and DSG problems, but considering that Volkswagen sold more cars than GM and Ford for the last 2 years, you are going to have more VW's in than Toyotas for example, who only sold 18,000 units, compared to Volkswagen 110,000.

They are excellent cars. Love my A6. I get just over 50PMG on a long run, mid 40's around town. Lovely cars.

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Post# 312230 , Reply# 57   1/16/2015 at 18:51 (2,195 days old) by Brandon_W_T ()        

Wish we had the A6 wagon in the USA. Sexy car. Saw them all over europe.

Post# 312364 , Reply# 58   1/18/2015 at 10:00 (2,194 days old) by sonnyndad ()        
Saw my dream car sitting out yesterday!

A 1958 Oldsmobile. I love this car! If I had the money, I'd make them an offer they couldn't refuse! I'm going to see if my mom will make them an offer. If I could get this, I'd be on cloud nine!

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Post# 312372 , Reply# 59   1/18/2015 at 11:20 (2,194 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        

Definitely worth checking out!

Post# 312386 , Reply# 60   1/18/2015 at 12:45 (2,194 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Oh, the history in that car!!!!!!! It's just begging for care... a total rehab!Best of luck. Maybe paint it red.

Post# 312429 , Reply# 61   1/18/2015 at 18:37 (2,193 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        

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That '58 Oldsmobile is in super shape! I hope your mom does make an offer!

Post# 312430 , Reply# 62   1/18/2015 at 18:54 (2,193 days old) by s31463221 (Frenchburg, KY)        
58 Olds...

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That car is gorgeous! I LOVE the 50's model cars and that Olds is begging for someone to take it home and give it some TLC! Keep us posted, I REALLY hope you can get it! Since I'm posting on this thread, here's my current driver....a 2014 Ford F-150 with the Ecoboost engine. First new one I've ever owned and so far I've put a little over 17,000 miles on it since August! Sorry, not the best photo of it, but all I currently have!

Post# 312438 , Reply# 63   1/18/2015 at 20:09 (2,193 days old) by Dustin (Jackson, MI)        

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Over the last couple years I've been extremely happy with my 2003 Impala, but I have decided I won't ever be buying a 2015 Impala. We rented one Friday for a trip to Rhode Island (My Dad is getting a truck from my Brother and we are driving that back), and I truly hated it. Extremely uncomfortable ride, seats were like sitting on bricks. Lots of road noise, steering was WAY too sensitive. The car was really tiring to drive. I had to stop about 2 hours in because my left leg was killing me. Literally could not walk for 5 minutes. Terrible blind spots on all 4 corners and both sides. I figured since it was the same model as mine, I could just whip into a parking space, nearly took out two cars on the way in. The touch screen interface was extremely distracting. I have to say the V6 had plenty of zip. Got about 32 mpg or so. The car had 15,000 miles on it, and literally as we dropped it off, the Check Engine light came on. We had reserved a Nissan Altima, but when we went to pick it up, none were available, so we were upgraded for free to the Impala- Went from a "full size" car to "premium", which included a full leather interior- normally wouldn't be an issue, but I am allergic to any and all things leather- felt terrible by the time we dropped it off, and was sick for 24 hours afterward. Will never rent or drive another one, that's for sure.

Post# 312442 , Reply# 64   1/18/2015 at 20:47 (2,193 days old) by sonnyndad ()        
1958 Oldsmobile

My mom and my grandfather, he knows a lot about cars, are supposed to go look at the Oldsmobile tomorrow. Wish us luck! I REALLY hope I can get this car! The picture is under the hood of the Oldsmobile.

Post# 312579 , Reply# 65   1/19/2015 at 20:00 (2,192 days old) by orecklover ()        

did you get the Oldmobile? I am also in the process of looking at another car. I'm currently looking at a Toyota Celica, Mercury Grand Marquis (my grandma's), Mercedes-Benz CLK320m BMW 318is, and a Mercury Cougar. I might also consider a Chevrolet Tahoe. I'm mainly looking for a car to modify either as a show car or as an off roader. (the BMW, Mercedes, and Grand Marquis are excluded from this)tongue-out The reason I included my grandmother's Mercury in this is because she is in the process of buying a new car (BMW 5 Series, Mercedes-Benz S or C class or an Audi A4 or A8). My dad is also looking for a car to replace his 2009 Chevrolet Suburban LT 2500 (either a Mercedes-Benz GL Class, BMW 7 Series or a Porsche Panamera.) Anyway, I hope that you got or are going to get that Oldsmobile. Even though I'm not a fan of older cars, it does look pretty cool! 

Post# 312584 , Reply# 66   1/19/2015 at 20:55 (2,192 days old) by sonnyndad ()        

The stupid morons running the place said that they would not sell the Oldsmobile because it's "just for looks." My blood starts boiling and I'm surprised I didn't strangle the SOB. Maybe I'll go back with $4000 cash money. When money talks, people listen.

Post# 312608 , Reply# 67   1/20/2015 at 03:04 (2,192 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        

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Good luck with those morons with the Oldsmobile. I'd love to have one of those. I love the entire lineup of GMs '58's. 


A dealer in Melbourne, FL is selling a bare bones 1965 Buick Electra 225 town sedan, with the posts, but no frames around the door windows. Just the standard power features, but has wind up windows, air, PS, PB, automatic. I'm not too hepped up on it because I'm in enough trouble with old cars and money. It's gorgeous, was traded in to a Chevy dealer up there.

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Post# 312631 , Reply# 68   1/20/2015 at 07:25 (2,192 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        
GM 5 For '58

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Feast your eyes!

Post# 312769 , Reply# 69   1/21/2015 at 08:24 (2,191 days old) by bvac6 (Fort Wayne, Indiana)        

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I recently picked up an 1984 Caprice Classic (link to thread). I had one in high school and to this day I still kick myself for selling it! I also have my grandmothers 97 Mercedes E320 which I absolutely adore! (named it Dotty) Beyond that I also have a 2007 Crown Vic Police Interceptor and a 2010 Ford F150 Raptor. I love my vacs and my cars! :)


Post# 312811 , Reply# 70   1/21/2015 at 14:22 (2,190 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        

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Some young guy here has a beautiful '80's model Caprice sedan, in a two tone bronze, with wire wheel covers. Hopefully the donk crowd doesn't get hold of it.

Post# 312821 , Reply# 71   1/21/2015 at 15:37 (2,190 days old) by bisonian (Where the buffalo roamed! (Ocala, FL))        
Excuse me?

The people who own the Oldsmobile don't want to sell it. It's THEIR property, to do with as they wish.

How exactly does that entitle you to call them "stupid morons" and an "SOB"?

Post# 312854 , Reply# 72   1/21/2015 at 19:35 (2,190 days old) by sonnyndad ()        
Because they are

LETTING IT SIT OUT AND ROT! They KNOW that and they are intentionally NOT selling it. As far as I'M concerned, they can KEEP those fancy titles! I hope I have made my point.

Post# 312860 , Reply# 73   1/21/2015 at 20:40 (2,190 days old) by vacuumfreak95 (Aransas Pass, Tx)        

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My Mother has a 2004 GMC Yukon XL 1500 with 180,000 miles on it. It's been a good car,we haven't really had many problems with it until lately.....My Father has a 1999 Ford Ranger XLT with 255,000 miles on it and still working, he also has a 2009 Ford Ranger XLT with 74,000 miles on it and very reliable also. As a said above I have a 2003 Buick Lesabre with 82,000 miles and has had little problems as well. We have had pretty good luck with GM and Ford.

Post# 312897 , Reply# 74   1/22/2015 at 05:05 (2,190 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        
1958 Chevrolet Nomad wagon in original condition

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These folks suggest you want to rat rod it, they wanted to customize it. The true survivor it is deserves careful restoration of ruined parts and preservation. The owners of the '58 Olds are on a power trip, surely someone besides sonnydad called them on their silliness. (don't want to be dressed down for name calling) 


CLICK HERE TO GO TO arh1953's LINK on eBay

Post# 312900 , Reply# 75   1/22/2015 at 06:44 (2,190 days old) by kenkart ()        

I have owned everything imaginable in the 34 years ive been on the last count I think I have had 58 cars.......I now drive a plain jane Hyundai Accent..Cheap to run and absolutely trouble free..but for many years I drove vintage Chrysler products..and to me there has never been anything that equals them in ease of handling and just pure restful motoring,the last old car I had was a 53 Imperial,but my favorites were a 68 Plymouth Fury 3,and a 62 Fury,those cars could be parked with one finger and stopped with your little toe,once you get used to the responsive of full time power steering,everything else is like driving a wagon..if gas had not got so expensive, along with repair parts,I would still be driving a old car daily.

Post# 312908 , Reply# 76   1/22/2015 at 09:05 (2,190 days old) by bvac6 (Fort Wayne, Indiana)        
Not selling

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I can totally understand sonnydad's frustration with that. There is a guy near me that has had a 79 Chrysler Newport wasting away in his yard since I was in high school! I wanted to restore it but he wants such a ridiculous amount of money for it that I can't help but be furious at him about it. Yes it's his property but he's letting a cool car just rot! 

Post# 312919 , Reply# 77   1/22/2015 at 12:10 (2,190 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        

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I wanted a 1958 Pontiac Star Chief 4 door hardtop when I was in high school, the seller wanted $200 for it. A so called friend screamed me down for wanting it. There are many cars I'd still buy if I ever got the chance, not just a few. And some models I'd buy again.


Somebody at the end of the street got a '65 Cadillac coupe years ago, don't know which model. It ended up near the highway and stayed there for years, with the trunk lid open a few inches. The car is back down the street again, and really needs to be towed to the crusher. The story is that the owner was in prison for taking a baseball bat to some man's skull. I think he's out, the car has moved around from in the driveway to crossways over the driveway, not under it's own power.

Post# 313335 , Reply# 78   1/25/2015 at 15:07 (2,186 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        
Continental Mark II for 1956-Modern Formal

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Most expensive American car at the time.

Post# 313403 , Reply# 79   1/26/2015 at 09:40 (2,186 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
Continental Mark II

The late,great Stan Kann had many collector cars over the years.I was fortunate to visit Stan on a trip to see Tom in the pre museum days.There were vacs in the basement and in the garage was--a Continental Mark II!It was just barely in the garage as with the door closed there was about 3/4 of an inch to spare in Stans 1920s garage.They were an amazing and still modern car.It is said that the Mk II hood ornament cost more to make than an entire Ford grill.There have been 2 at our weekly April-October cruise in over the years.I have known of 2 within 30 miles that were purchased new locally.After 1957 Continentals might be best forgotten until 1961 and the first of many great 60s cars.

Post# 313499 , Reply# 80   1/27/2015 at 03:35 (2,185 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Uh-Oh-----Just went to the Toyota place for an oil change in my 2012 Highlander.So while I was waiting for my car to be finished,The head salesman approached me and asked if I wanted a new car.At the time said no.He showed me a 2015 Toyota Highland Limited Platinum-"Lets go for a test drive and see what you think of this car-It has more things then a James Bond Car"He was showing me things.And the car drove VERY WELL.I said--"lets think about for awhile"The salesman then says-"We have other folks considering this car-Are You sure?"Then he says--"Let me come up with some numbers and see what you think"First offer-I say"Too much-Can we bring it down some??"The salesman says"I try some more"Then closed door manager talks-manager comes out and starts talking-"Mr Oliver -We can put this car in your driveway for the same cost as your present car-and including the gap insurance-and you get free oil changes and checkups as long as you own this car"OK--guess we can do it"So now I have a 2015 Blizzard Pearl Highland Limited-studying the book to see how all of the Bond features work.Most things on this car are automatic.Was able to pair my phone to the cars audio system by pushing two buttons!One on the car and on the phone.First maiden trip in the car went well going to work.There are threats of light snow or freezing rain-so far haven't seen that.Would like to test my car in that.Uusually Highlanders do well in that sort of stuff.Anyone else here got a new car when coming in for that "oil change??"

Post# 313595 , Reply# 81   1/27/2015 at 21:17 (2,184 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Rex my Mercedes sales consultant

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Brings new Mercedes by my house that's how I purchase my cars plus when they need service they come to my home and pick up my Benz's at my house and leave a Mercedes in its place to use during service .

I don't remember the last time I went to the Mercedes dealership as all car purchases and service pick up is done at my home .

Congratulations on your new Highlander it's a really Kool SUV enjoy many miles till your next one :)


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Post# 313618 , Reply# 82   1/28/2015 at 02:09 (2,184 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

There is a BMW and Mercedes dealers in Kinson,NC.Good they have to your door delivory.Guess they would take your old car as trade and drive it from your place?what about the paperwork?Do they do that at your place,too?My brother is into BMW.Never used either BMW or Mercedes so I can't comment on them.They do appear to be fine cars.I have always liked Toyota.They have been good cars to me and reliable as the old school Maytag washers.A freind of mine suggested Toyota when I had to get a car.For many years when I lived in Wash DC area-didn't own a car-all of the transportation choices there made it easier.But here in Greenville,NC there are no subways,trains,or large bus routes.Cab service here is expensive and unreliable.So need a car in my area.There is a small bus route in downtown that serves only downtown and ECU college.Not useful to me.

Post# 313625 , Reply# 83   1/28/2015 at 07:59 (2,184 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Yes Rex

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All paperwork is done at my house it's all done on his iPad via docusign same way I do Real Estate from my iPad all contracts signed on the spot .I had a toyota years ago I loved it they are good cars . I switched to Mercedes Benz in 1995 I had an E300 diesel I loved then it went to an S class to another S class to another E class to Another S class to my SL 550 convertible to a CLK convertible to a GL450 and an ML350 . I am very comfortable in a Mercedes as all controls are where they should be inside the car I can operate the cars blindfolded plus the safety of driving tanks I love Mercedes Benz I drive them because I love German cars and I am lucky that I can .

I owned a BMW 750li which I hated the ride was too hard but it handled flawlessly ESP around corners .
My first car was a 1985 Cadillac Eldorado Birritz that I bought in cash with vacuum sales money I have been selling vacuums since the age of 5 my first sale was $25.00 for a 1060 ❤️HOOVER❤️ I have always been a hustler when it comes to work and making money I work VERY hard for EVERYTHING.
I owned many cars Range Rover ,Ford ,Jaguar, Acura and Infiniti .
Yes they take your trade back to the dealership . My sales guy drops off registration and license plates when they are ready too . I love that they provide that service it is more comfortable at my house we sit down in my living room it's like having a friend over which he is . That's another reason I prefer Mercedes Benz because of the way they will sell you a car at your home and pick up your car for service and leave a car for you to use . Reliability is too notch just like Toyota and the cost to maintain them is not as high as most people would have you believe .


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Post# 313647 , Reply# 84   1/28/2015 at 13:53 (2,183 days old) by orecklover ()        

through 1999 and 2004 my grandparents owned two bmws. a 2000 535i and a 2002 X3. my step-grandfather was very good friends with the owners of the BMW dealer (now closed). he would walk in and say I want this car for this price and they would give it to him. they also would pay for all the things that needed to be done with the car. BMW's are fantastic cars in my opinion. over the weekend my father and I went to a BMW dealership to look at a 7-Series. they are stunning cars. maybe even better than an S-Class. the seven series was full of amenities that I couldnt imagine such as certains that cover the windows when you hit a button and even a massager that prevents your rear end from falling asleep on long road trips. I think it's in a whole different class than the mercedes s-class. it's a beautiful car and for the price, I would love to have one when I'm an adult.

Post# 313666 , Reply# 85   1/28/2015 at 17:28 (2,183 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        

Your Benz dealer truly give good service.  There was a time that many dealers would "deliver" a new vehicle.  Unfortunately this type of service is illegal in Kansas.   A licensed dealer must sell and have the customer take delivery of the vehicle at their brick and mortar dealership, otherwise it is considered brokering and Auto brokers are illegal.  Also any vehicle that is sold at such events as car shows or fairs are considered to be "in-home" sales and are subject to the three day right of recention the same as a door to door vac salesman.  


Because of this dealers will make a deal at the fair, but the customer must come to their place of business and sign the final paperwork that transfers title.  


All of this came about in 1986 when a local Buick/Cadillac dealer, Les Donovan, got himself elected to State Senate for the sole purpose of eliminating Brokers.   He succeeded, a good friend of mine, whom I have purchase my last two cars was the only licensed broker at that time, but she was doing such a good job Mr. Donovan felt threatened and put her out of business for herself.  


Luckily she was able to work with the Credit Unions and offer them a buying service where she operated through a dealer out of town,  she did her deliveries at his facility and was legal. . .until Les bought that dealership in 2001.  She moved to another dealer, but finally retired from the car business when she moved to Indiana to care for her parents. 

Post# 313677 , Reply# 86   1/28/2015 at 22:02 (2,183 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        

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That is another reason I stick with Meecedes Benz because of their white glove home delivery service .
They have a life customer with me ever since my 1995 Mercedes E300D they won me over .

I am very good friends with my sales consultant I buy Benz's from him he buys homes from me .
We joke I tell him if you buy a few more rental properties I can buy a new Mercedes and we help each other out that way .

We do have a 3 day return policy plus Mercedes offers 90 days in my state plus lemon law buy back also .


Post# 313691 , Reply# 87   1/29/2015 at 04:46 (2,183 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Wonder if the Mercedes dealer near Kinston offers the door service.Unfortunately those cars are too expensive for me.Sticking with Toyota-even if I go to the dealer-have to go there anyway for oil changes-Guess this time,Don't change the oil--Change the car.Didn't expect this at first.But those test rides pull you in!That is interesting that some areas don't allow the Door car delivories.Remeber when GM sold their cars DTD.Have some of their "training" films watched by the MST 3000 characters!Also neat how the car paperwork is being done over an IPad.Figure this is the future!With their DTD system Mercedes makes it a little easier to "pull the trigger" for one of their cars.Does BMW do this?Whats weird is Kinston is now not such a nice area to go to-Used to be workers that worked at the Kinston DuPont factory lived there.Now with that DuPont site cutting back,they didn't close.Just cut back their operations.So The less desirable folks aree moving to Kinston.
The Lexus dealers are in Raleigh and Durham.Too bad they don't have the DTD service.

Post# 313698 , Reply# 88   1/29/2015 at 06:26 (2,183 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
I am not sure Rex

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If the other brands do that as well . You would think they would I know every Mercedes Benz dealership will pick up your car for service and leave you a car to use . They have always done that the car sale part I guess depends on the Dealer and State laws .

I love the customer seevice by my Mercedes Benz dealership that keeps me as a customer and will stick with them plus the cars fit me perfectly just like you enjoy your Toyota there is a car for everyone .
My Dad and Grandfather have bought many cars by going in for service next thing you know a new car would pull up 😁

The iPad has really changed how business is done it makes my job easier and when people are ready to buy you have it in your hand draw up contracts then sign and send it off via email it's amazing .


Post# 313772 , Reply# 89   1/30/2015 at 01:51 (2,182 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The Toyota places here treat me good and glad the Mercedes dealer treats you well.Since both of us would be frequent customers at the car places we use-makes sense they will do all they can to keep you as a customer.Wether it be oil changes and maintenance or new cars.The Toyota places near me still use paper and pens-maybe in time they will go the "digital" route.I have used the Toyota dealers in Greenville and Goldsboro NC.

Post# 313779 , Reply# 90   1/30/2015 at 07:34 (2,182 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Rex , Us Realtors use digital technology

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I even went to a new Dentist and they handed me an iPad to fill my information out , digital paperwork is the future .

The receptionist handed it to me and sat next to me and said I'm here to help you use this I said I carry one with me and use it daily I'm good thanks 😜

That's how car dealerships should be treat us right and we will continue to do business with them it has worked for you and I .


Post# 313860 , Reply# 91   1/31/2015 at 03:23 (2,181 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The last time I did paperwork with a realtor-was the actual thing and covered the table.Good is the Ipad-just may make things easier.I have an IPad-mostly for internet lookups.When I bought the new car last Monday-no IPads-the paper.Guess they will change in time.My dentist still uses paper-but has digital XRays.You see your XRayed tooth on the screen after the hygenist has taken the shot.Remember when it took like 15 min before the dentist or you could see the shot of your teeth.

Post# 316490 , Reply# 92   2/22/2015 at 19:09 (2,158 days old) by sonnyndad ()        
1983 Ford F100

I got this 1983 Ford today from a family member. It's in pretty good condition. It just needs a few things. For those of you in the VCCC, you will be seeing this is St. Louis this June.

Post# 316498 , Reply# 93   2/22/2015 at 22:46 (2,158 days old) by treetopguy2028 ()        
My two cents worth about cars

This doesn't sound like vacuums to me but every one chimed I some good stuff. I'm falling asleep but gotta say a few words. Currently drive a 2000 GMC Sierra 2500 HD as my work truck with a BrandFX topper. It only drives to tree service jobs so thats about 1,800-2,000 miles per year getting 10 mpg.

Our 2007 Subaru Forester is my second Subie and it is trouble free other than routine maintenance, 21 mpg. I wish I had kept my 1988 Subaru JUSTY that got 31-33 mpg.

In summer 2013 I found and bought a 2005 ToyotaTacoma TRD Access Cab on eBay in Long Island, NY. It is my sixth Toyota and an excellent truck for many needs...trouble free.

I have had three Saabs for 17 years and truly loved their cars. I had a Ford Ranger 4.0 that was excellent. Another ford was an early Taurus bought from Hertz Used Cars and loved that car.

I enjoyed reading all the posts and must say good night y'all!

Post# 317170 , Reply# 94   3/1/2015 at 21:19 (2,151 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Another GM guy here

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I come from a GM family, literally. My dad was a district sales manager for Oldsmobile from 1959-1991. Except for a couple of VW bugs I owned in high school, I have only had GM cars, most of them Oldsmobiles. The two cars I own now are a 1995 Olds Aurora and a 2011 Chevy Impala LT, fully loaded. The Aurora is my weekend toy and the one I turn wrenches on the most. The Impala is my daily driver and is one of the most reliable vehicles I've ever had. Of course, it's still practically new with just under 20,000 miles on it.

Post# 317354 , Reply# 95   3/3/2015 at 16:57 (2,149 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I did some clean up/ detail work. I think it turned out well!

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Post# 319642 , Reply# 96   3/29/2015 at 13:33 (2,124 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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So I decided it was time for a Truck again. In Sa We dont get anything bigger than what you guys un the USA call compact pickups. We did get the F250 for a while but most people who need anything that size Get a proper truck like a Isuzu.Any how I bought the biggest one I could find. Nissan Navara 4Lv6 double cab. You guys call it the Nissan Frontier. These are hugely popular here in Sa, any double cab is. They outsell their suv counter parts by almost double. Most are diesle but I am not a diesle fan so I opted for the 4L v6. Its insainly powerful. I got it with the canopie aswell which makes it very versitile and I can pack lots of vacuums in the back

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Post# 319643 , Reply# 97   3/29/2015 at 13:43 (2,124 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Very nice my brother

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I am constantly thinking about getting a Ford F-150 King Ranch Just not sure if I'd like it since you know my FAVORITE is Mercedes Benz . I guess I could test drive one to see how Id like it .


Post# 319649 , Reply# 98   3/29/2015 at 14:14 (2,124 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I was torn between the Ford Ranger Wildcat and this but in the end I have always loved the Nissan. I love USA trucks and the nissan looks the most American even though its Japanese by name i am sure it was designed in the USA. We dont get tge F150 here officioally

Post# 319723 , Reply# 99   3/30/2015 at 16:00 (2,122 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
I'm keeping my options open.

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I'm going to have my own car very soon. It's most likely going to be either a newer (within last 10 years or so) midsize or large sedan. My VERY favorite is the Mercury Grand Marquis/Ford Crown Victoria, but we'll have to see....

Post# 319840 , Reply# 100   3/31/2015 at 18:02 (2,121 days old) by kirbytradition7 (Denver (Aurora), CO, USA)        

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I currently own a green 1998 Pontiac Bonneville (purchased in 2002). It still runs great and is beautiful. Green, my favourite colour, looks great on it.

If I ever purchase another car, I definitely want a station wagon. Here are several possibilities for a station wagon for me in the future:

1) A 1978 Chrysler LeBaron Town & Country station wagon--in green (my family had one in my childhood)--my dream car.

2) A Volvo station wagon (eg, V-70 or XC-70)

3) A Dodge Magnum wagon. In Europe I saw the Chrysler 300C Touring estate--the Euro-Chrysler sister to the Dodge Magnum. If only it were available in the US at the time... Why wasn't the 300C Touring available in the US?

Post# 320366 , Reply# 101   4/4/2015 at 11:40 (2,118 days old) by Firebirdman55 (Owensboro Kentucky)        

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Here's my 1999 Mercury Cougar...laser red, V6, 5 speed...189K miles. Had it for several years. Been a fun car!

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Post# 321303 , Reply# 102   4/10/2015 at 17:59 (2,111 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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I drove my Toyota Corolla for almost 12 years, and then sold it to a friend back in December. My "new" car is a Toyota Camry, a 2011. Toyota makes such nice products. I had a top of the line Camry in the 90's that I drove for 11 years, then my ex drove it for another 11 years, until it was stolen off the streets of Portland in a drug-related crime spree.


Here's the "new" one: 

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Post# 321562 , Reply# 103   4/12/2015 at 11:06 (2,110 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I really enjoy seeing pictures of your cars over in the USA.  I suppose they are nothing special to you but compared to the cars we have here in the UK they are fascinating to me.

Post# 321806 , Reply# 104   4/13/2015 at 14:13 (2,109 days old) by vacuumdude (Spokane WA)        
I may be crazy but...

Its a 4300LP 03' INTERNATIONAL best vehicle ever, so yea im 16 and absolutely NUTS

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Post# 321889 , Reply# 105   4/14/2015 at 04:48 (2,108 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Would a TRUCK like that International 4300 count?this is not a personal transportation vehicle.It is meant for transporting heavy loads and objects rather then people.Neat truck,though.Probably would be interesting to drive it!If its under 25,000Lbs gross weight then the average person could legally operate it.If over 25,000 Lbs-the a CDL is required.

Post# 322220 , Reply# 106   4/16/2015 at 21:23 (2,105 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
*Imperial March Theme*

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Muhahahaha.........I've returned from hiatus! Been gone too long I think, used to have good times here, looking forward to having more :P

Ah........Cars.....lovely! not just Lovely, De-Lovely.....
DeLovely,DeLightful, DESOTO!

(If you don't get a kick out of that V8,see a may have contracted PRIUS-ITIS! :O)

Post# 322238 , Reply# 107   4/16/2015 at 22:43 (2,105 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Looks like the SUPER is going to mow down some Dysons! Let's go get'em!laughing

Post# 322252 , Reply# 108   4/17/2015 at 03:38 (2,105 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Very beautiful DeSoto-like the colors!Sounds nice----LETS GO FOR A ROADTRIP!!!!!And yes--those Dysons!Sadly since its a two door-the rear seat is good only for pets and bookbags.

Post# 322254 , Reply# 109   4/17/2015 at 05:12 (2,105 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        
Arrive in style

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In your Zippy The Pinhead DeSoto tee shirt: 



Post# 322255 , Reply# 110   4/17/2015 at 05:22 (2,105 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        
It's The Smart Way to Go Places!

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In color, no less!! 

Post# 322323 , Reply# 111   4/17/2015 at 19:42 (2,104 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
Smart and beautiful way to go places!

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kinda a good thing the brand failed, could you IMAGINE seeing a Prius with the DeSoto brand on it? surprised

Post# 322343 , Reply# 112   4/18/2015 at 01:42 (2,104 days old) by kenkart ()        
If you drove a DeSoto

I promise you, you would be sick of all new cars!! It or any vintage Chrysler product, with them you turn the wheel with ,one finger and stop with the tip of your toe, not like todays cars that have weak power steering and brakes, Before gas got so high I drove 50s and 60s Chrysler products all the time, a friend asked me one day how I could drive a car with no "Feel of the road"!!LOL, I answered that I don't WANT to feel the road, full time power steering is a real experience, one finger will maintain control of the car no matter how rough the road, potholes etc, no problem, one finger on the wheel and it never jerks or fights back.

Post# 322366 , Reply# 113   4/18/2015 at 08:55 (2,104 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        
Swivel seats....

I seem to remember swivel seats back in mid-70's Monte Carlos. I thought those were great...wonder why they went away?

Post# 322368 , Reply# 114   4/18/2015 at 09:26 (2,104 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
swivel seats

I saw the GM swivel seats only once.In a 73 Malibu that also had a factory custom look vinyl roof.Big Chryslers had till about 62.I have heard one story of a man who bought an Imperial every 1 to 2 years and liked the swivel seats as he was shall we say large.When he went to order another he found that was the first year they were not available but was able to somehow get them as a special order.

Post# 322370 , Reply# 115   4/18/2015 at 09:39 (2,104 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Since we did have them til the 70s? Maybe it was a seatbelt/ shoulder belt issue?Gosh could use them now.I keep the leather on my Park Avenue slick as snot so I can spin in the seat, getting very difficult to get in or out of the car. Mom has an almost new? 93 Honda Civic, are you sure you don't want to keep my car? NO thanks.

Post# 322387 , Reply# 116   4/18/2015 at 12:00 (2,104 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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I remember you talking about the power steering, can't wait to experience it for myself!

Post# 322432 , Reply# 117   4/18/2015 at 16:30 (2,103 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        

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kinda a good thing the brand failed, could you IMAGINE seeing a Prius with the  DeSoto brand on it? 

Behave! :) I loved my Mopar power steered cars, wish I had another one. 

Post# 322929 , Reply# 118   4/22/2015 at 15:15 (2,099 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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You did NOT want the Mopar power steering on the rural paper routes we had, car was all over the road.You know what just the weight of the finger can do with them.

Post# 323386 , Reply# 119   4/26/2015 at 12:02 (2,096 days old) by orecklover ()        

Those large sedans are very popular in my family! My uncle drove a Crown Victoria, he is now getting a Grand Marquis. My grandparents both drive Grand Marquis; a 1999 and 2003. 

Post# 323476 , Reply# 120   4/27/2015 at 16:46 (2,094 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I DO like a lot of American cars.

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I've always had Chevrolets. Just my thing.  My aunt had 2 Lincoln Town Cars. loved driving those.

  I have friends who are Cadillac people.

  A friend of mine, (accountant) has several cars... just had a "custom made Mercedes"'s unbelieveable.  Not my thing,  but, hey..  I had another friend, (antique dealer), had a Benz... didn't like it at all.  But,  I'd never 'bash'.To quote the great Johnny Matthis, 'It's not for me to say".

Post# 323520 , Reply# 121   4/28/2015 at 09:14 (2,094 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I have always been and will always be a Ford guy.

The blue oval gives me 100% confidence that it will go wherever you want and get you home again.

Yes, some people dislike them and say they are unreliable, but not in my experience!! Our current Ford, a year 2000 Focus 1.8 LX has been with us for over 2 years now and has NEVER been in the garage for anything other than scheduled maintenance. Same with our previous 1997 Fiesta 1.25 Ghia which we had for 5 years. Same story, nothing other than oil changes and MOTs. Amazing for what are now classed as "old" cars.

My dream one day would be to acquire a 50s or 60s American Ford and import it over here to Scotland.

Post# 323529 , Reply# 122   4/28/2015 at 09:52 (2,094 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Slight advantage there as those are more simple cars, less to break!

Post# 323637 , Reply# 123   4/29/2015 at 15:46 (2,092 days old) by BikerRay (Middle Earth)        

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I saw a cute one the other day, when I went to Goodwill, someone had a Volkswagon Rabbit that they were selling. In the rear window it had a sign "Fur Sale".

Post# 327034 , Reply# 124   6/16/2015 at 11:54 (2,045 days old) by Sries (Tacoma WA)        
My family has a...

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1998 Chrysler Town and Country lxi. And a 2004 Dodge Durango limited edition. Chrysler products seem to be the only cars that work for us. :)

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Post# 327153 , Reply# 125   6/18/2015 at 09:00 (2,043 days old) by S31463221 (Frenchburg, KY)        
Town and Country

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Like you we have had some type of Chrysler product since my wife and I have been married. For the most part I really can't complain about them, however at the moment our Town and Country and I aren't getting along too well.....

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Post# 328354 , Reply# 126   6/29/2015 at 23:49 (2,031 days old) by redneck ()        

I've got 2 trucks, a 1982 F150, 302 automatic and a 1997 Dodge w150. That one is my baby, she's got a 5 inch lift, 328 engine, 4 speed manual and true dual cherry bomb exhaust.
Sure, both get around 12 feet to the gallon haha. But I love my old pickups.

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Post# 430429 , Reply# 127   8/22/2020 at 21:35 by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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My first car was a 2001 Chevrolet Malibu. Good little car that got great gas mileage and was very reliable. Unfortunately started having transmission problems at about 150,000 miles and I kept driving it a while but the repairs were more than I was interested in. Sometimes I wish I still had that car, you can never replace your first car, I don't think.

My current driver is a 2016 Ford Taurus Limited, has every option on it. Got it certified used about a year and a half ago. I have about 25,000 miles on it. Like it, but it's just not as nimble as that Malibu was.

At some point, I want to get an older Dodge Grand Caravan or Chrysler Town and Country for hauling things with and to not put so many miles on the Taurus... especially going to estate sales and thrift stores, etc on weekends. Hopefully I can find an older one that wasn't driven much.

Post# 430461 , Reply# 128   8/23/2020 at 11:28 by Brando_husky (Las Vegas Nevada)        

Up to 9 cars here I'd need my own thread to go through em all lol 

Post# 430478 , Reply# 129   8/23/2020 at 14:22 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Wow, how time flies. I no longer have either of the cars mentioned in my earlier post. The Aurora is one car that I just plain kept too long. The problems kept mounting up and I finally donated it to my local public radio station for a tax write-off. My weekend toy now is a 1995 Cutlass Supreme convertible. Great fun on sunny days when it isn't too hot.

A vehicle that passed through my hands during this time, which I probably should have kept, was my late father's 2002 Oldsmobile Silhouette minivan. It was a great hauler. I ended up selling it to a single mother, who really needed it, so I know it went to where it was supposed to be.

The Impala met a somewhat ignoble fate right before Christmas last year when I got rear-ended in a three-car collision caused by a drunk driver—at noon on a Sunday! The car was still perfectly drivable after the accident but the insurance company wrote it off as a total loss, anyway. I have to say that mechanically, it was absolutely the most trouble-free car I've ever owned.

Even before I got the (quite generous) insurance settlement, I found a 2013 Buick Lacrosse hybrid to replace it. It was on an independent lot up in Danville, Va. and the guy wanted to move it before the first of the year so he wouldn't have to pay inventory tax on it. The car only had 57,000 miles on it and had been ridiculously well maintained. His asking price was so low that I really didn't see a whole lot of point in dickering. I was able to write a check to cover the purchase and almost recouped the whole thing from the insurance. So far, I'm quite pleased with it.

Post# 430482 , Reply# 130   8/23/2020 at 14:56 by fan-of-fans (USA)        
Impala and LaCrosse

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My driver's ed car was a base model 2006 Impala LS, when the new model came out. I've always liked those W body Impalas, and wanted an LTZ model, but when it was time for me to buy my first car a few years later even the earliest 2006 models were still too expensive.

I tried to find one again this time, since they were actually still made alongside the new Impala model until 2016, but I couldn't find any around here for sale. I like the Buick LaCrosse and saw a few, I wish I had test drove one of them. But I stupidly couldn't get over being a 29 year old in a Buick. That to me says Buick has been able to appeal to the younger crowd with their newer cars. I wish I had tried one of the newer Chevy Impalas too, but I didn't. Oh well.

I had a 2014 Dodge Charger rental for a while when my old Malibu was in the body shop. That was a nice car too, but it just felt so big to drive. I think it was because the body stuck out on the sides like old 60s and 70s cars.

Since most sedans are out now I don't know what I'd replace my Taurus with. Probably a Toyota Avalon, Hyundai or Kia sedan something, or a Ford Explorer.

Post# 430484 , Reply# 131   8/23/2020 at 15:16 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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fan-of-fans wrote:
But I stupidly couldn't get over being a 29 year old in a Buick.

I reply:
Shortly after I got the LaCrosse, a friend of mine saw me getting out of it and she couldn't believe it was a Buick. It definitely doesn't feel like the grannymobiles Buick is traditionally known for. The funny thing is the Epsilon body LaCrosse is essentially an imported design from GM of China, where it's considered a prestige brand and is actually the only reason Buick still exists at all. The government pressured GM to drop all of its brands except Chevy, Cadillac and GMC during the 2009 bailout but GM countered that it was better to take the axe to Pontiac, which was outselling Buick domestically at the time, and spare Buick because of its popularity in China. And even though the LaCrosse was dropped from the domestic lineup in early 2019, it's still being made for the Asia-Pacific market in Taiwan.

Post# 430495 , Reply# 132   8/23/2020 at 18:50 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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Currently I have a 03 Honda Accord. That's my 'good' car. It's in good shape, minus a few dings and hail damage. It's got 260k miles on it, but before everyone fawns over how reliable Hondas are, know that it came from rural Idaho, where it saw nothing but highway miles. So those were very easy miles. It was a chance occurrence, the previous owner was visiting Chicago, and broke down near my shop. It needed a transmission, and she didn't want to spend the money, so it became mine. Good thing I'm a transmission mechanic.

It was about the right time, too, because my other 'good' car was rapidly becoming my 'bad' car. That was a 94 Chrysler Concorde. I really liked that car, it was big and comfortable, but it had been in a MAJOR accident many years prior and though I did a lot to fix it, it was never completed and it looked like crap.

Speaking of looking like crap, my long-time 'fun' car is a 93 Chrysler LeBaron convertible. Enjoy the picture of it, which is from 2006, basically the height of its life. As I got it a couple years before that, it was an ugly old beater. I did a crazy amount of work to make it the beauty you see below. I also upgraded just about everything on it. It was a base model from the factory, now it has just about every option. (Let's not talk about how many scrap yard LeBarons gave their parts to accomplish that.)

Sadly, it's not 2006 anymore, and she's starting to rust away. It's probably been ten years or better that I've retired it for winter - to spare it from road salt - but even that has not helped. I'm looking for another one, preferably one with a problem, but with zero rust. That way, I have a perfect parts car to take all the goodies from.

Still driving it, though. Just put in a new gas tank. The old one had been leaking for years. First it would leak if filled past 3/4, then it'd got so bad I couldn't fill it past 1/4. And a 1/4 of 18 gallons doesn't get you very far.

That's part of being the 'fun' car though, it's a constant battle to keep it running. It actually has dozens of little problems. But that's part of the fun.

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Post# 430506 , Reply# 133   8/23/2020 at 21:48 by vacuumlad1650 (Coal City, IL)        

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I ran through more beaters in high school than some people will own in their life. When I started driving I was rolling around an an 82 Ford F250 dump truck from my grandpa. The brake lines ended up rotting out, and the truck was on it's last leg as it was.
We scrapped the ford and I bought a used Mercury Grand Marquee. I dont remember the year. It had the feature where you could remove the key and keep the car running. Nice in the winter to keep the heat on while you ran into the pharmacy! But sadly the computer started going out and it would shut down at random. Shame, it only had 102000.
That was replaced by a $500 94 Caprice Classic wagon that was a neighbors winter car. I could put my feet on the road while driving, the floors were so far rusted out. It ate it's head gasket.
This was followed by another family vehicle...a 1996 Plymouth grand voyager. I racked up miles on that like crazy. I removed the rear seats so I could haul lumber, and frequently hauled my riding mower to the farms to mow farmsteads. Being a 90s Mopar, the tranny gave out around 120k miles.
This was when I started driving a 2013 Honda ridgeline pickup. As ugly, and lightly built as it is, that truck has taken 7 years of abuse as a farm truck. About 80k of it's 106k miles have been with overloaded trailers that do not have brakes. The truck is starting to show its salt rot, and the tranny slips pretty bad. I've rebuilt the front end once, and it needs another rebuild. This fall we are putting it out to pasture. The body looks like swiss cheese...

My little fun truck is a 1979 International Scout II Terra named Oscar. I won't get into the juicy details, but I had to rebuild the entire braking system (lines, booster, master, and converted from drum to disc brakes), as well as oodles of ignition work to get this old guy roadworthy. He's my summertime toy.

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Post# 430547 , Reply# 134   8/24/2020 at 16:02 by JustinAjax (Georgia)        

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I love that Scout! Currently I have a 2011 GTI that a buddy and I are replacing the engine in. I bought it new, drove it four years, then sold it to a friend. He sold it back to me last year and I didn't do too much inspection on it. It was just going to be a fun car not driven very often. He's a good friend and I assumed he had taken care of it. I was autocrossing it back in February and blew the engine. Man was I pissed! My buddy found a rebuilt 2.0T EA888 up in Virginia so we road tripped up there in his van and picked it up last month. The pic is when the old engine came out. We have the new engine in it now and it's up and running finally but still needs a lot of fine tuning.

My other car is a 2019 540i that's been trouble free until last Friday when the fuel filler door wouldn't open. At the gas station. With 6 miles range. I made it home and they towed it from there. So sad seeing your car up on a tow truck! It still had a bit of gas so the tow driver drove it up onto the truck and drove it off when he got to the dealership. They got the fuel filler door open and ordered a part that should be here this week. But when I got in my car at the dealership it smells like an armpit now. It's like a "Seinfeld" episode.

My first car was a VW Corrado. Bright yellow. LOL. I really wish I could find one to wrench on in decent condition but every one I come across has been modded to hell and back.

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Post# 430558 , Reply# 135   8/24/2020 at 18:58 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I have to car shop now! My Park Ave was totaled two weeks ago, difficult to deal with after 15 years of ownership and loving. No idea what will replace, I had planned for many more years. Always made it home, never leaked or used fluids, comfortable, pretty 😢😢

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Post# 430570 , Reply# 136   8/24/2020 at 22:24 by Scvacuumguy (SC)        

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I drive a 2016 Tahoe LTZ and it’s time to replace with a new truck or suv. Does anyone else just feel that it’s ok to put up with the absolutely garbage GM product in order to have a decently large interior for kids?

Post# 430575 , Reply# 137   8/24/2020 at 22:52 by electroluxxxx (Somewhere out there)        

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I have owned 3 blazers and continue to love the comfort GM offers in a vehicle, I got rid of my 01 blazer last August for a ford E-150 (long story and im out a lot of money). I do own a 2008 Lincoln MKZ AWD sedan that is still in rather excellent condition, a 2010 Jeep Compass that refuses to give up, and a 2007 Chevy express 1500 with the 4.3 vortec that the body is just getting ready to hit 300,000 miles and for those who like to hit the road on 2 wheels, I currently ride a 1982 Yamaha maxim 1100 with 17k on it and also have a 1985 maxim 700 special in the shed with 10k on the odo, that needs a title and work which I will have running and road ready by next spring.

Post# 430581 , Reply# 138   8/24/2020 at 23:38 by Brando_husky (Las Vegas Nevada)        

Speaking of gms. The only gm branded vehicle I've got currently is my 2010 Tahoe ltz. Great truck. Good for taking in into the desert for fun.


Got limo tint on it for extra comfort. 


I guess it's my only gm not counting the wrangler with a Chevy v8 in it 

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Post# 430590 , Reply# 139   8/25/2020 at 08:27 by Scvacuumguy (SC)        

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I’ve already had to put a transmission in mine, and a radiator. For the price, this has been the most problematic car I’ve ever owned.

Luxxx- I used to have a VTX750 that I adored until an accident on the interstate. Haven’t ridden since

Post# 430595 , Reply# 140   8/25/2020 at 09:15 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
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THe first one was great. THe second one...... kind of a lemon.
I had a simple Chevy Cobalt...238K miles LOVED it. Now, a red Chevy Cruze. So far. love it too.
But the 'classics' T-Birds, gull winged Chevy, Oldmobiles, loved them!!!!

Post# 430597 , Reply# 141   8/25/2020 at 09:35 by electroluxxxx (Somewhere out there)        

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It’s actually funny you mention the VTX750, I just sold one that had a seized motor to a guy in Ohio, he bought one at a swap meet and needed the parts from the one I had to complete his. They are a great bike when running, almost like a Harley except more reliable. I myself had a wreck in 2012 that thankfully didn’t cost me my life. The bike was an 83 maxim 750 and the damage was thankfully repairable.
As for the GM vehicles, I feel that you get more out of them than you do mopar. Transmissions aren’t Mopar’s strong point. I bought my blazer with 95,000 on it and at 132000 the sun shell gear split taking out reverse, second, and overdrive which is very common with 4L60E, 4L65E and 4L80E transmissions although the 4L80E is more reliable. I drove it about 45 mins away to our office and parked it until I had a tranny put in it about 6 mos later. It’s common to have to replace at least one transmission in a GM truck but the rebuilds with the aftermarket parts I have found to be better than the OEM and they last longer than a Mopar trans which seem to go at around 75,000.

Post# 430601 , Reply# 142   8/25/2020 at 10:33 by Brando_husky (Las Vegas Nevada)        

Mmm no par with Mopar here lol. Biggest lemon of a vehicle ever. Our dodge Durango with a fully built srt motor after the original gernaded itself as they all tend to do.


Well this one's blown again too after using only the best heavy duty srt parts 


This sad thing has been just truly awful. Thanks chrysler... Lol. Never again 

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Post# 430661 , Reply# 143   8/25/2020 at 22:27 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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"Transmissions aren’t Mopar’s strong point."

Tell that to the TorqueFlite. A transmission so good that Ford literally copied it, and both the TorqueFlite and Ford's C6 were used for more than 40 years.

And when I say Ford copied it, I've literally held the parts in my hands one Ford and one Chrysler, could not tell the difference.

As for more contemporary transmissions, most of them are crap, no matter who makes them.

Post# 430662 , Reply# 144   8/25/2020 at 22:49 by Air-WayCharlie (USA)        

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I had a 1969 Chrysler Imperial LeBaron coupe that was a killer! The TorqueFlite transmission was great and trust me, at that point in my life I was hard on a car. That car went through a lot and never failed me. It needed minimum maintenance but a lot of premium fuel.

Fast was the only Chrysler I owned until 2015. I had been driving Cadillacs since the mid/late 70's, (except for a dismal time in early 80's when Cadillac was awful), including a 76 Eldo convertivble, and many sedans and Fleetwoods.

I test drove a 2015 Chrysler 300C for fun after seeing it featured on, "Breaking Bad", and found a car with true balls. It has the HEMI engine which is a V-8 but with two spark plugs per cylinder so it is a version of a V-16. It is good on gas, loaded with creature comforts and flies down the road. I just put a set of Pirelli tires on it and now it handles better than ever. AND, if I am not mistaken it is an 8 speed automatic TorqueFlite transmission. It gets a good workout.

I bought the car new and to date no issues. I just change the oil and filters and follow the Chrysler recommended maintenance.

I love it when drivers see me merging on the freeway or entering a lane at a traffic light and they think, "okay, here comes Grandpa with the white hair--another Q-tip behind the wheel", and then I leave them eating my dust. :)

Post# 430699 , Reply# 145   8/26/2020 at 16:47 by vacuumlad1650 (Coal City, IL)        

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My place of Employment is Mopar exclusive in all our 20,000GVWR and smaller trucks. We run them plenty hard, plowing snow and pulling overloaded trailers. In 45 years, and a combined 1.5 million miles across the vehicles we only had one transmission fail early (90K), but knock on wood the rest have been very low issue

Post# 430729 , Reply# 146   8/26/2020 at 22:25 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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As for bigger Mopars, have a story.

I was driving by some kind of shipping depot. Maybe 10 big Chevy Kodiaks where driving out pulling full size semi trailers. The Kodiak is a big truck that's like one step down from a semi truck. Among the Kodiaks was one little Dodge Ram pickup with a 5th wheel pulling the same trailer! The little Mopar that could!

Post# 431215 , Reply# 147   9/4/2020 at 01:11 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
short and sweet

That describes the time I had with a '95 Chrysler LHS. New, the car was 31,253, I bought mine at an estate sale for 1000.00. Bought in 2007. More car than I needed, it certainly grew on me after just a short test drive. This was the most luxurious car I had ever owned. I constantly got compliments on the ride quality,"better than a Cadillac" was the most common comparison. Fully loaded, 8 speaker Bose sound system and a huge v-6 engine. Just one little problem. 1995 Chryslers had a horrendous transmission problem. Just that year. At 128K miles I lost reverse. I was backing up into my friends garage and half way up(only 10 ft.) it just vanished. No noise, no clunks it was like I shifted into neutral.

I was repeatedly talked out of repair/replacement by at least 3 shops. I was told that the replacements are no better. It's a crap shoot, win or miss on these. I read some reviews on the car. One fellow went through 4 trannys. all during the warantee period! 7 out of 10 said if it weren't for the dicey transmission, they would buy the car again today. The engine is good for 250-300K easy and the rest of the car held up nicely.

Had the car for two years, donated it to charity now drive a '98 Acura Integra that my niece gifted me when she heard about the Chrysler dying. She said she'd rather give it to me than trade it on a new car she was buying. Did I mention Jessica is my favorite niece?

Post# 431273 , Reply# 148   9/5/2020 at 02:02 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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Shame, those are nice cars. My Concorde (essentially the same car) lasted a long time. Never needed transmission work, not that it would've been an issue for me. I dunno what this nonsense is about their transmissions. I'll grant you, I've heard it from many people, never seen it myself. Sure, I've put transmissions in a few of those... but only a few. I've put transmissions in damn near every car. Let me tell you, I've done scores of Honda transmissions for every one of those I've done. And the ones I have done have had no problems, I can't recall even one of them even coming back to me. There are several other units that are prone to comebacks, but that's not one that springs to mind.

There are certain things in the automotive world that people get stuck in their heads that it's true. ie, Cadillac Northstar engines, Chrysler transmissions, LeanBurn, not being able to mix coolant types, using transmission fluid in the power steering, etc.

Honestly, I wonder how bad of a transmission mechanic you have to be to screw up an A604 (technically a variant), it's about the simplest one out there. I honestly couldn't tell you. Boggles the mind that someone who calls themself a transmission mechanic would say something like that. Far more likely they just didn't want to work on an older car, or were unfamiliar with that car.

Also, that transmission is very well computerized for something from the 90s. The computer is programmed to compensate for wear and tear, specifically with the intention of keeping it working as well as it could for as long as it could. So when it 'just' stopped, in reality it was probably going out for a while, but was being compensated for.

Post# 431275 , Reply# 149   9/5/2020 at 02:15 by Brando_husky (Las Vegas Nevada)        

I've got two Chryslers with bad transmissions here haha.

545rfe in the 04 Durango needing a rebuild. Getting pretty jerky and slippy


The 93 wrangler still retains its original aisin ax-15 5 speed that's all but gernaded itself. Probably due to being bolted to a Chevy v8

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Post# 431315 , Reply# 150   9/5/2020 at 14:35 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Finally found a replacement vehicle

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Post# 431318 , Reply# 151   9/5/2020 at 15:39 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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The Kia Optima is a very nice car. My former girlfriend had 2013 model and she absolutely loved it—right up until she fell asleep at the wheel and hit a semi with it. The exterior of the car was totally demolished but the interior was hardly damaged, other than the airbag deploying. The best part was she walked away without any major injuries, other than a minor concussion and a few bruises. The bottom line is the car did its job protecting her admirably.

My oldest nephew has had two Hyundai Sonatas, which is essentially the same car as the Optima with a few different cosmetic flourishes, sort of like a Buick Regal and an Olds Cutlass Supreme, back in the day. He has nothing but good things to say about them. His dad leased both cars for him, the first when he was a senior in high school (early graduation present) and the second one when he was a junior in college and had run up the miles on the first one. He wisely bought the second one for the residual value when the lease expired. What better used car to buy than one you've been driving since it was new?

Post# 431320 , Reply# 152   9/5/2020 at 16:01 by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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I really liked the new Hyundai Sonatas and Kia Optimas when they came out in 2011. They are great looking cars. I had those models in mind when I was looking for a new car year before last.

Post# 431327 , Reply# 153   9/5/2020 at 17:19 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
@ Madman

Trust me I really wanted to keep that car. I wish I knew you back then and lived close enough that I could drive it to you. I would have paid you handsomely over and above what you asked to fix it. I think the transmission woes were mainly on the LHS. The transmission would go to code at random times, locking itself in 2nd gear only.The owners manual had instructions on how to deal with it and in the beginning I could get the trans back to shifting normally. As the transmission got worse I lost Drive 1 and reverse. It coded again only this time at 70mph on the freeway.

This car sat in a garage for 2 years before I bought it. I wondered if that added to the problems, not the sole reason but... I always heard growing up that automatics don't like sitting for long spells. I don't know but I think you're right about the transmission already on it's way out when I got the car. Shame because it only had 10900 miles on the clock, the interior was in excellent shape, grey full leather seats, the works.

Post# 431337 , Reply# 154   9/5/2020 at 19:45 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
@ suckolux

Are you doing alright now? I saw your post above about your car being totaled. Were you injured? I'm so sorry to hear this. You had a great car that you really liked. I hope your alright and I hope your replacement car gives you great satisfaction too!


Post# 431355 , Reply# 155   9/6/2020 at 08:27 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Thanks for asking Bill, doing ok! Missy was a beast and knocked me a couple feet sideways in a parking lot, a T bone. Both doors shoved inside, but the windows and locks still worked! Miss my big girl, 15 years of always made it home. Insurance was not enough to find a nice car really, so my brother assisted in finding this. It's identical to the rental they gave me for a week, which I enjoyed.

Post# 431642 , Reply# 156   9/11/2020 at 15:56 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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So on top of all the other major expenses I've had over the past couple of weeks—new HVAC system for the house, new air conditioner for my Buick—the transmission on my old convertible decided to go out last Sunday. I had it towed to a transmission shop and they just told me a little while ago they had to order a "core unit" for it, which I think is mechanic speak for another used transmission to rebuild and put in place of the original. It'll be ready the middle of next week but I'm really not looking forward to adding that bill to the ones I've already had to pay. Ugh!

Post# 431643 , Reply# 157   9/11/2020 at 16:08 by Brando_husky (Las Vegas Nevada)        

Core unit probably just means a rebuilt transmission and yours gets sent back to be rebuilt and put in the next car down the line. 


No shop puts new transmissions or motors in a car even on basically new cars/under warranty interestingly enough. 

Post# 431647 , Reply# 158   9/11/2020 at 18:10 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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That makes a certain amount of sense from a logistical standpoint, certainly less work for the shop that way, although the terminology is a bit counter-intuitive in this case. If you buy, say, a rebuilt alternator at the auto parts store, they'll charge you a refundable "core deposit" for your old alternator. I had always assumed that "core" referred to the old part and once that part is rebuilt, it ceases to be a called core and becomes a rebuilt or re-manufactured part.

Post# 431654 , Reply# 159   9/11/2020 at 22:03 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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Wouldn't take that chevy bajaing in the nevada desert. It's A great vehicle but the weight and body roll I'm sure you get the point.
Kia optima are very nice cars. My brother in law just traded his in for a 2019 fully loaded full extended cab. It has a duramax with allusion transmission. The sticker price was over $55k. He got it for 37. There both nice vehicles.
My 04 corolla has cold air intake. It's nothing special but dependable. My wife drives our 2010 rav4 v6. It's awd 265 hp. It goes 0-60 in 6.1 seconds which was quickest in it's class. I put borla exhaust on it. They don't make a cold air or regular air intake for it.
I just like toyota they last and fun to drive.

Post# 431659 , Reply# 160   9/12/2020 at 00:59 by Brando_husky (Las Vegas Nevada)        

Oh Of course I wouldn't go Baja racing in my Chevy lol. It's a stock truck not a prerunner race truck.


It's what we take far into the desert to go shooting. Good truck for hauling our gear 

Post# 431660 , Reply# 161   9/12/2020 at 01:00 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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No. A core is a used part, of either unknown or non-working condition. If they said they need to get a core unit to rebuild, it means exactly that. They need another unit to rebuild, presumably because either your unit is too far gone, or to save time. In my shop, we often do the same thing... rebuild a core unit and use that. Usually on transmissions that we know commonly have catastrophic failures.

Although, yes, terminology in this industry is piss poor.

Post# 431662 , Reply# 162   9/12/2020 at 01:03 by Brando_husky (Las Vegas Nevada)        

I now read you took it to a Trans shop not just a general mechanic was going to say almost no mechanic shop does their own transmission rebuilding unless they are a more well established larger shop. 


That makes more sense with the core confusion now 

Post# 431669 , Reply# 163   9/12/2020 at 07:56 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Sorry to hear about your troubles of late Edgar, best of luck

Post# 431692 , Reply# 164   9/12/2020 at 16:35 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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My training is in technical communication, so I tend to regard language in probably a more exacting way than many people do.

The guy at the transmission shop didn't elaborate but I'm assuming my transmission suffered a catastrophic failure that either rendered it beyond repair, especially since it had already been rebuilt once, or that it just made more sense from a labor standpoint to start with a less damaged unit. I'm assuming the core units they order go through some sort of triage process by the supplier and thus the shop has a good idea of what they're getting. Othewise, it would be a total crap shoot whether the replacement would be any better than what they took out of the car.

Post# 431704 , Reply# 165   9/12/2020 at 22:42 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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It's always a crap shoot. If you pick them yourself, you can pick carefully. If not, you simply hope that the core is broken in a different way than the other one, use the parts from both to make one good one. And, you know, hopefully they replace any seals and clutches as needed.

Post# 431895 , Reply# 166   9/16/2020 at 06:06 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
I've heard that

Chrysler used to produce a really well designed and dependable 6-cylinder engine called the "slant six" in the 60's and 70's. Mated to a Torque Flight transmission or a manual transmission you had a car that would go the distance. I think they were available across the entire Chrysler line,like Darts,Barracudas,Fury's,Dusters and larger cars too. Is anybody here familiar with this engine and did any other car maker build this engine? I heard that you could get 250K out of these which back then was pretty impressive.

Post# 431898 , Reply# 167   9/16/2020 at 06:55 by vacuumlad1650 (Coal City, IL)        

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Chrysler used to sell the slant-6 to John deere for some of their hay equipment. We retired a hay swathe about 3 years ago powered by a slant 6 with over 20000 engine hours on it, and not a single teardown. That is a LOT of engine hours, gas or diesel. It was cold blooded and didn't want to start below about 75 degrees, but man once it started it ran like a dream!

Post# 431900 , Reply# 168   9/16/2020 at 08:25 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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We had a tree shaker/ gather device that was designed and build here for nut harvest designed around the slant 6! I managed a quick lube for 6 years and we had a 1969 Plymouth Valiant, little old guy, minister spotless car! Regular customer! I got called down to the pit one day, his car was in, nothing drained out of the oil pan! I got the customer to ask what was up?? HE said my daughter said she checked it! I said must have been the auto trans! Solid lifters, so no tapping, we changed the oil and filter and he drove it for years! His car lived 15 miles away!

Post# 431945 , Reply# 169   9/16/2020 at 21:56 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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tbh, I've only ever serviced one slant six, and that was only very minor things. My friend's dad used to flip cars in the 70s, and he swore by the slant six. He said he had one that was going to the bone yard, so he decided that he'd blow the engine for fun. Revving at full throttle it took over ten minutes to blow. A lesser engine wouldn't have lasted one.

Here's a little story about the slant six that I thought was pretty cool.

It's the 60s and NASCAR (back when they still used cars that were stock, and not stockcars) decided they would have a race for midsize sedans. Ok, so Ford, GM, and Chrysler all entered their midsize, six cylinder, family sedans. The Plymouths and Dodges racing all had the slant six, which at the time, was a totally modern engine. They had also put their racing team on the cars to give them all the go they could.

Seven Plymouths and Dodges were in the race, and not only did all seven of them finish the race, but they all took the first SEVEN places! They had such an embarassingly massive lead over Ford and GM that NASCAR declared the race too boring, and never attempted it again.

While the legendary slant six was a completely modern engine, Ford and Chevy were still using ancient straight sixes, based on prewar engines. That, and they didn't really put any effort into making them fast. Meanwhile Chrysler's racing team came up with a simple but effective mod, the Hyper Pak. It's just an intake manifold with absurdly long runners. Gives the engine a ton of low end torque, at the cost of high end torque. But they figured that you need it on the low end to pull out of a corner. Apparently it worked.

And as is tradition with NASCAR, they screwed over Chrysler for winning too much.

Post# 431959 , Reply# 170   9/17/2020 at 00:24 by broomvac (N/A)        

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I’m a big fan of cars, too, and have a couple myself. German sedans—in particular, diesels—are my personal favorites. Currently in the stable:

- 2008 Mercedes-Benz E320 Bluetec (OM642 3.0L V6 turbo diesel)
- 2017 Passat TSI SE w/LED light package (EA888 1.8L I4 gasoline direct injected/turbocharged)

Love em both. Would like to get an A6 or A7 TDI next. Or a W212 Bluetec.

Previously owned:
- 2014 Passat TDI SE 6MT (CKRA 2.0L I4 turbo diesel)
- 2009 Mazda 6S (3.7L V6 gasoline NA—don’t know much else; my ex-GF drove this one)
- 1995 Volvo 850 5MT (2.4L I5 gasoline NA—5 cylinders sounded great)

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Post# 432037 , Reply# 171   9/18/2020 at 15:33 by human (Pines of Carolina)        
The Convertible's back home...

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I was surprised to get a call from the transmission shop earlier today that the 'vert was ready for pick-up. Based on my most recent conversation with them, I wasn't expecting it until next week. The bill was worse than I'd expected at $2,100 but that included $600 for the transmission core. If the invoice is any indicator, the rebuild was pretty comprehensive. The car drives fine although it's a little sluggish starting off. Once it gets out of first gear, it's fine. The best part is the slop in the shifter is absolutely gone. Pull the lever back to the detente at 'D' and it's firmly in drive, not third. I tried to engage the guy in conversation about the old transmission but he's apparently one of these people who tries to get through life with as few words as possible.

We had heavy rains here yesterday, which I believe was the remnants of hurricane Sally, so there was a ton of water in the vinyl boot into which the top folds. Fortunately, a couple of minutes with a wet/dry vac and a wipe-down with a towel took care of it. I'm thankful the boot is watertight, even if the top isn't. Oh well, that's something else I can start saving up for, along with the air conditioner and the ABS. Such are the joys of owning an older car.

Post# 432044 , Reply# 172   9/18/2020 at 17:06 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Glad you got it back,a little bit concerned about sluggish taking off?? I rather enjoy the stoplight Gran Prix in life! Mom taught me well! Funny, otherwise I take after dad!

Post# 432059 , Reply# 173   9/18/2020 at 21:28 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I only drove it a few miles this afternoon. I still need to do a proper shakedown. Maybe tomorrow if the weather cooperates.

Post# 432060 , Reply# 174   9/18/2020 at 22:06 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Best of luck !

Post# 432063 , Reply# 175   9/18/2020 at 22:35 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
I'm justa wondering

how these newer transmissions with 8 forward speeds and the ability to change the shifting schedule with the flick of a setting, like sport or some other setting. They may be just as good as the old 3 or 4 speed turbo-hydramatic NOW but will a rebuilt replacement down the road be feasible and I wonder about all the other goodies cars have now. So much more to go out or need adjusting than a few decades ago.

They used to tell us kids not to look down at the car radio while driving. Stop, pullover, and then change the station or have a passenger do it. Now,. there's so much going on with all the media on the screen and creature comfort settings, so many distractions , "This ain't your Daddy's Oldsmobile." Six or more computers under the hood and elsewhere,talking to each other, and you know their talking about you too haha.

Post# 432071 , Reply# 176   9/19/2020 at 00:50 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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human - shouldn't the top boot hole thing have drains? Maybe they're clogged with leaves or debris.

kirbyklekter - modern 8 speeds are just as rebuildable as any older trans. They still work on the same concept, and have the same parts... just a lot more of them. Adjustments in general are very passé, the computers take care of that. And that is as it should be, imo. Having bands to adjust when there's a perfectly good computer that could do it in real time makes no sense.

Post# 432075 , Reply# 177   9/19/2020 at 01:50 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Chrysler slant 6 motors were used on all kinds of portable industrial gear-saw one powering a drum type wood chipper.A neighbor had a tree cut down across the street from me-that chipper ATE the whole 10" thick trunk like nothing-ate all of the branches,too!!!I brought over some small branches for it to munch on-it loved them!!!Saved me from having to take them to the dump.

Post# 432079 , Reply# 178   9/19/2020 at 09:20 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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MadMan wrote:
shouldn't the top boot hole thing have drains? Maybe they're clogged with leaves or debris.

I reply:
The 'boot' I'm referring to is really little more than a vinyl sack that separates the passenger compartment from the trunk. As far as I can tell, it's actually doing its job as a last line of defense to keep the trunk dry. The convertible top has pulled loose under the rear window, so it's not weather-tight and the boot provides a barrier to keep water out of the trunk. There was easily a gallon or more of water back there and not a drop in the trunk.

Post# 432087 , Reply# 179   9/19/2020 at 13:50 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
I was surprised

when I googled Chrysler Slant Six to learn that this engine had a longer run than I thought. 1959-2005. Like others have said, it was used in other applications such as farm equipment,industrial pumps and the like. So not sure when they stopped using them in new cars.The last time I saw a car with said engine was in a Dart GT and the owner had ordered the car with an added sport pkg, painted metallic gold with black vinyl top and twin pipes,on and on.

So I turned and asked my friends dad why do you think this guy ordered all the bells and whistles, tricked it out and then just went with a 6 banger? He said, the guy obviously knows what he's doing, that's a hell of an engine.

Post# 432100 , Reply# 180   9/19/2020 at 22:23 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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They did have high performance options I think they called it the hyper pack in the late 60s maybe like four barrel and headers! I had a 68 Plymouth valiant with the 225 super 6 it might have been a two barrel I don't remember too long ago, but my best friend had a 66 Bel air with a 283 four-barrel and at the stoplight drag race I could kick his butt torque

Post# 432114 , Reply# 181   9/20/2020 at 04:31 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        

I rode shotgun more than once in friends cars at red light races where we had our butts served up on silver platters. The look on my friends faces as the opposing driver waves buh bye and we're left saying what the? Was your '68 Valiant an automatic or stick?

Post# 432117 , Reply# 182   9/20/2020 at 08:26 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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It was a very fancy Signet 200,2 dr sedan, drs car. Torqueflite

Post# 432164 , Reply# 183   9/20/2020 at 22:50 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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I think the slant six stopped being in cars in the late 70s, and stopped being in trucks probably in the late 80s. But it's not uncommon for good old fashioned bullet-proof engines to continue to be in demand long after they stop going in cars. Look at I think it's the Chevy 454, they literally haven't stopped making them since the 60s... still make 'em!

Marine use was easily another use for the slant 6. I mean, if you wanted a 6 cylinder for a boat engine, you probably wouldn't want anything else.

@human - my LeBaron also has the vinyl sack you describe... it has two drain tubes that allow any water to drain out on the street.

Post# 432255 , Reply# 184   9/21/2020 at 23:57 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
@ MadMan

Chevy has a crate engine that is really popular and I think it's somewhere around 560. Do you know if it's a big bore 454 or a different block altogether. The compression ratio on my Chevelle 454 was 11.0 with the high domed pistons, I wonder what this big boy comes as. I imagine a lower ratio now days.

@suckolux Did your car have push button or had they stopped doing that. My grandparents '59 Desoto had the lighted buttons. Very "Jetsons" back then. I loved that car. Unfortunately he popped a freeze plug on the engine about half way across the bay bridge and they made him drive it to the other side which cooked the engine. I would have sued Cal Trans. Grrrr!

Post# 432265 , Reply# 185   9/22/2020 at 09:14 by weltron (Michigan)        

My daily driver is a 2005 Chevy Impala. I like the car a lot, but compared to the car that it replaced (1999 Olds Aurora), it's just not the same.

My weekend/fun/dream car is my 2001 Olds Aurora 4.0 Has 172,000 miles on it and goes like a dream. I say I get more smiles per gallon out of that car then any other car.

Post# 432286 , Reply# 186   9/22/2020 at 13:54 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I had a couple of first generation Auroras, a 1998 model that got wrecked and a 1995 model that replaced it a few years later. The '98 model was a wonderful car and I was completely sickened (but thankfully not at all injured) when it got totaled. The '95 model had some issues that I was never able to fully resolve. I spent way too much money on it and finally threw in the towel a couple of years ago and donated it to the local public radio station. I put a link below for an Aurora enthusiasts' forum that I used to be much more active on.

I had a 2011 Impala up until last December, when it got rear-ended and totaled. I think it was a later body style than your 2005, although they both were on the 'W-body' platform. Although it never captured my heart the way the Aurora did, especially the '98 model, It was quite a nice car in its own right. The design was well thought out with lots of good interior storage and a cavernous trunk. It was also absolutely the most mechanically reliable car I've ever owned. I had it for five years and never once had a major repair. Other than putting a set of tires on it, nothing ever went wrong with the car that I couldn't handle myself.


Post# 432297 , Reply# 187   9/22/2020 at 15:21 by weltron (Michigan)        

I've had 3 Auroras so far. The 99, the 2001 and a 2003. I wouldn't be surprised if I ended up with another first generation one eventually. The 99 was kinda rough when I bought it, but I fixed its issues and then drove it for a year and 30,000 miles. It so far is one of the most reliable cars I've ever had. What did it in was undercarriage rust. One of the spring mounts in the rear was giving out and then the engine cradle bushings started going bad.

The Impala's I like. Like you said, they're a nice car in their own way. I would love to have one of the newer ones. I had one as a rental and I loved it.

They weren't lying when they said "There's a Special Feel in a Oldsmobile". The Impala's are great cars but man, those Auroras are something special.

Post# 432318 , Reply# 188   9/22/2020 at 21:40 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I haven't driven or ridden in the most recent iteration of the impala but my present daily driver is a 2013 Buick LaCrosse, which is built on the same Epsilon II extended platform. In many ways, it feels like a thematic successor to the Aurora. I imagine mine would feel more Aurora-like if it had the 3.6L, 300hp V6. Mine is the 4cyl hybrid, which gets great gas mileage for its size but performance at best is adequate but not exciting.

Post# 432320 , Reply# 189   9/22/2020 at 21:54 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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@kirbyklekter, I believe that's the one. A 454 that they just bored out more and more.

Post# 432346 , Reply# 190   9/23/2020 at 11:31 by weltron (Michigan)        

If you can sometime, take a newer V6 Impala for a drive. With that V6, it's downright quick for what it is and will pull 30 on the highway. It's really a very nice car.

On a side note, one time I had my 99 Aurora on a road trip. Managed to get 28.4 mpg with the V8. I was pretty impressed.

Post# 432351 , Reply# 191   9/23/2020 at 12:32 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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My '98 Aurora, which I believe would have been mechanically identical to your '99, would get 28 mpg or a little better, which I also found amazing. The '95 was a little thirstier. About the best I ever got on the highway with it was about 24, which was only a hair better than a '97 Cadillac DeVille I briefly owned, which topped out at 23 on the highway. I'm sure the V6 Impala or LaCrosse would be a real kick in the pants. The DeVille had a 300hp Northstar V8 and even at 4,000 pounds, that car would flat out move.

The LaCrosse hybrid, on the other hand, will do 27 in town and 37 on the highway. I suppose the fuel economy is a worthwhile trade-off for the comparative lack of horsepower. The hybrid system is a little weird. Rather than taking over for the gas engine, it uses the electric induction motor, which doubles (triples?) as a starter and alternator, in tandem with the the little four-banger to supplement its modest power to the tune of an extra 15hp during hard acceleration. Interestingly, the car has no exterior badging to indicate it is a hybrid. The only external indicator, if one knows what to look for, is a lack of cutouts for dual exhaust on the rear bumper. My mother has a nearly identical car and when my dad bought it, he was in complete denial that it was a hybrid because of the lack of badging. Although he understood the function of the recursive braking system, I'm not sure whether he ever fully accepted that the car was a hybrid.

Post# 432352 , Reply# 192   9/23/2020 at 12:38 by Brando_husky (Las Vegas Nevada)        

You guys and your good mpgs hah. 


My best vehicle for gas mileage barely does 23. That's the Subaru wrx.


My daily driver, 08 sl550 Mercedes does 13/16 depending how I drive it


The Tahoe gets 15/18 or so.

 The bmw 525i gets 16mpg 

The Mercedes 560sl roadster gets 16 or so


The old Ford f100 averaged 7.2 highway driving 430 miles from Salt Lake City to Vegas 

Post# 432359 , Reply# 193   9/23/2020 at 14:24 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
My first reaction

when I read human's '97 Cadillac could get 23 mpg on highway was wow,that's great. I think here on the west coast our cars are more burdened with smog equipment, at least I think they are. I know we have 15% ethanol in a gallon of fuel. Price per gallon compared to the national average, through the roof!

I borrowed an Astro Van,Chevy, a while back. It had their Vortec V-6 engine and I was really impressed with the power and mileage. The other two vans they own,(large printing company) were special order Chevy Vandura 3.75 vans capable of carrying 1 and 3/4 tons of printed stock. Hardly any emission equipment on the 350 v-8 and you could burn leaded or unleaded fuel. Carrying no payload 16mpg, with full payload 9mpg, maximum on flat land!

Best mileage is my '89 Acura Integra,25-32mpg.
Worst mileage, but more fun, '70 Chevelle SS 454,9mpg. Cheveron 93 octane .41per gal. not a concern really!

Post# 432362 , Reply# 194   9/23/2020 at 14:49 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Not surprised with the caddy, my Park Ave did 27 highway and I fly! Landlady has a DeVille, actually shorter than my Buick and it does 24 highway. it would help if they would actually put the required premium in it but they're too cheap

Post# 432364 , Reply# 195   9/23/2020 at 14:53 by rivstg1 (colorado springs)        
my fleet

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I'm currently doing some restorative work on a '65 Buick Riviera that I picked up last year ( electrical, mechanical (windows/hidden headlights), and mostly interior work.

My '57 Cadillac Sedan Deville runs like a top, still need a few electrical things , and about to replace the seat covers etc).

'89 Jeep Grand Wagoneer I"ve had for 7 years is finally running good needs some cosmetic work and the interior headliner/seats are failing.

plenty to keep me busy!

Post# 432378 , Reply# 196   9/23/2020 at 20:02 by Brando_husky (Las Vegas Nevada)        



No difference in mechanics on cars in different parts of the country. Some areas are less likely to have ethanol fuel as the only option but from what I've seen it's nationwide common to see ethanol fuel predominantly. Especially in Midwest 

Post# 432380 , Reply# 197   9/23/2020 at 21:23 by human (Pines of Carolina)        
California Emissions...

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My '98 Aurora was sold new in San Francisco and the RPO code sticker in the trunk showed it was equipped with California emission controls so there must have been a difference but I'm not sure what it was. That said, I do remember car ads in the mid-'70s showed a second set of slightly lower fuel economy numbers for California cars.

Post# 432399 , Reply# 198   9/23/2020 at 22:29 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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I wouldn't suggest this car at all. The car has way too much body roll.

Post# 432409 , Reply# 199   9/24/2020 at 00:57 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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lol I've been fighting my LeBaron tooth and nail to get the 14.9 mpg I'm getting right now. That's city driving, mind you. The brakes were holding, so I did pads, calipers, and hoses all the way around, and that got it up from 13 mpg. Now when I'm stopped at a light, and let go of the brakes, the car will roll freely. Also did spark plugs, wires, air and fuel filters, oxygen sensor, replaced the leaking gas tank (which I thought would've helped, but didn't!!), and cleaned the throttle body and IAC valve. Also sealed up a couple of minor vacuum leaks.

It's got the digital mpg readout on it. It does this stupid thing where if I don't let up off the gas pedal ever so slightly, and press the clutch to get it out of gear, the mpg drops to 1 and SLOWLY climbs back up even though I'm coasting. So I drive really carefully to keep the number up. I think that thing screws with the numbers, but I don't really know if it's actually dumping extra fuel in the engine during that time.

Post# 432410 , Reply# 200   9/24/2020 at 01:02 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        

I've heard and read horror stories about how ethanol that was more than a couple months old in a cars fuel tank or in garden equipment whatever, that it gummed up fuel injectors or ate gaskets in carbs, on and on. I haven't had any problems yet so I don't know how true this is but the complaints are many.One guy wrote that he drives almost two hours to another county to get gas with less or no ethanol just for his lawn mower! Said he's tired of rebuilding the carb on his Troy mower!

Post# 432411 , Reply# 201   9/24/2020 at 06:49 by weltron (Michigan)        
A Couple Points


When you reference your 98 Aurora as being certified for California Emissions, the only thing I could think of was the catalytic converters were CARB certified. Otherwise the car had no additional changes that I am aware of. I know for 2000, the big thing was the Northstar V8 in California became CARB certified as a "low emissions vehicle".

You're right in saying that back in the 70s there was different ratings for California cars. Back then depending on model, it could be something simple as just a different carburetor to the addition of a smog pump, tuning or California exclusive drivetrains (anyone remember the 1980 Corvette with a 305 and 3 speed auto?). Or you could just be like Honda with CVCC and run none of that garbage.

I had a neighbor who had a 1998 Cadillac Deville d'Elegance. They would take that car to trips to Key West and would swear up and down that the car would pull 30 mpg all the way down and back. I find that actually believable. I've talked to a couple of Deville and Aurora owners who say the same thing. The Northstar was rather ahead of its time in that regard.

Post# 432419 , Reply# 202   9/24/2020 at 13:02 by human (Pines of Carolina)        
RE: Ethanol...

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I remember back in the late '70s when gas stations would proudly advertise they sold "gasohol" and then after the initial novelty faded, the euphemism became "ethanol enhanced," which to me seemed like a contradiction in terms since ethanol in gasoline is more of an adulteration than an enhancement. In concentrations greater than 10 percent (E10), ethanol is bad news for most cars unless they're Flex-Fuel vehicles, which have Teflon coatings on most of the fuel system parts to prevent ethanol damage. Although my 2011 Impala was a flex fuel vehicle, I never tried running E85 in it, mainly because gas stations around here that even sell the stuff are very few and far between.

Most stations around here sell only E10 gasohol but there are a few that offer non-ethanol gasoline, usually for anywhere from 80 cents to a dollar more a gallon. When gasohol was first becoming prevalent about ten years ago, the difference in fuel economy and performance was quite noticeable in the Cadillac I had at the time. Gas mileage would drop about 20 percent from about 16 around town to about 13. Likewise, performance was also reduced. My anecdotal evidence seems consistent with guidance in the owner's manual for my flex-fuel Impala, which recommended against high ethanol fuels, even though the car was designed to accommodate them since they would reduce both fuel economy and performance. The explanation the manual gave is that ethanol stores less potential energy by volume than gasoline, which makes perfect sense to me.

Aside from that, the main problem with gasohol is a relatively short 'shelf life'. When it is stored for more than a very few months, it attracts moisture, which contaminates the fuel, and the ethanol will eventually separate out of the gasoline. I'm not sure whether it sinks to the bottom of the tank or floats on top, but it's a good idea when a vehicle hasn't been driven in a while to add fresh fuel to the tank before driving it much so the turbulence of new fuel coming in will mix everything back together and any moisture contamination will be diluted. Similarly, I always give the gas can for my lawnmower a little shake before filling the mower and when mowing season's over, I pour whatever remains in the can back into one of my cars so I can start off with fresh fuel in the spring.

Post# 432475 , Reply# 203   9/25/2020 at 03:41 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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All the bad crap you hear about it are old wives' tales. Some of it has some loose basis in reality, but the short story is that it's actually better than gasoline in every conceivable way with the exception of energy density. And on that point it's only a 10% difference, so not a big deal.

There is no such thing as 'ethanol damage.' Ethanol is just vodka, it's a solvent, yes, however gasoline is 10 times as harsh of a solvent. So all the fuel system components can easily handle it. Again, you're hearing old wives' tales. The notion that it could cause damage is from lingering bad memories of Methanol with an 'M.' Another type of alcohol sold as a gasoline alternative in the 1970s, which is actually an even harsher solvent than gasoline and does cause damage. Hence where the old wives' tales originate from.

As for lawn equipment, well, it's all still carbureted. I've heard some people say that small engines don't run so well on 10% ethanol. Maybe. I've never had a problem. Maybe the carbs simply need to be adjusted?

As for gas sitting around... that's never a good thing, period. It's not meant to sit around. Also, gas is formulated differently nowadays. It's meant to evaporate easily, which it does when left around, so you're left with bad gas. Apparently this used to not be the case decades ago, when it was formulated to NOT evaporate easily.

TLDR: don't fear ethanol. It's actually good, 10% is fine. Some cars may not agree with E85, but it won't harm anything.

Post# 432484 , Reply# 204   9/25/2020 at 08:00 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Out west here in California, we even have winter and summer blends of fuel!Ethanol percentage blends, I think, I know the mileage drops

Post# 432509 , Reply# 205   9/25/2020 at 16:02 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
That's true

Also the summer blend is higher in price. A rep from Chevron says it costs more to formulate the summer blend. He said it has nothing to do with demand. That's funny, because it always takes a hike upwards just before most holidays and that IS related to demand.

My sister was selling her Chrysler Town & Country van. The interested buyer would be here the next day. The van had been sitting for two years not driven. I was concerned about trying to use two year old gas, but there was no time to drain the tank and all that goes with that so I poured a pt. of Barryman's Chemtool for fuel injection equipped engines into the tank.

We waited until morning to attempt starting the van. Kicked right over and we've got ignition Houston! I don't know if that helped but I didn't think it would hurt anything. Who knows what lurked in the bottom the the fuel tank, 238K miles driven, and three owners. Anyway...Sold!

Post# 432527 , Reply# 206   9/25/2020 at 21:20 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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We have summer and winter blends here in N.C. as well. I think its nationwide. The summer blend usually comes to the stations sometime around April. The price generally starts trending upward in march when supplies tighten as Gulf Coast refineries shut down for maintenance and to switch over to summer formulations. There are predictable demand spikes just ahead of the extended Memorial Day, Independence Day and Labor Day weekends.

I'm not sure when winter formulation generally returns, October maybe?, but I usually get better gas mileage in cooler weather. I filled up yesterday and noticed an immediate improvement in mileage over what I'd been getting the past few months so maybe it's already here.

Post# 432531 , Reply# 207   9/25/2020 at 22:29 by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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We had 2006 Impalas when I was in driver's ed (summer 2006). They were still on the old W-body platform which I think went back to '88, but all new sheet metal and interior for '06. Ours were base models, cloth split bench seat up front with a column shifter.

I loved that car for some reason. I remember reviews at the time said it was "dated", and it did to me remind of an older car, but that's what I liked about it. I thought the front end looked a bit like a '94-'01 Lumina.

And it did turn out they made that body style Impala for quite a long time. It was in production through the 2016 model year alongside the all new 2014+ model, I think mostly for fleets and rentals. One thing I didn't like was in later years they "deleted" the Impala emblems that were behind the rear wing windows. Although they were always there on the new '14+ body style.

I wanted an LTZ Impala when I got my first car a few years after driver's ed, but even the '06es were too expensive. So I got an '01 Malibu which was a great car, but at the end it needed a transmission rebuild and I didn't feel like fixing it. I actually drove it that way for a while. I felt bad dumping it but I wanted to move on to something more modern.

Still wanted an Impala of the '06-16 gen when I replaced it as I thought that would be a logical upgrade and familiar, but I couldn't find any. I should have test drove one of the new models, but ended up at the Ford dealer instead.

Another car I really wanted to try was a Kia Optima or Hyundai Sonata. They only sell Kias here though and I couldn't find a used Optima equipped the way I wanted. But they are both beautiful cars.

Post# 432532 , Reply# 208   9/25/2020 at 22:42 by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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My grandfather used to be a car salesman, and though he had gotten out of that business when I was growing up he always was getting a different car or truck.

He had a '96 Century, a Chrysler LeBaron at some point, then a '99 Taurus, all bought new at the time. I think he liked the Taurus because he kept it for about 5 years which was a rarity.

Around 2004 he got a new style at the time Chevy Malibu but for some reason he didn't like it. Traded that on a Chevy Aveo and he REALLY didn't like that. I still don't know why he thought it would be an improvement over the Malibu. No idea! LOL Eventually he got a Buick LaCrosse in 2005 which reminded me a lot of the 2006 Impala and it was a pretty good car, and like the Taurus he kept it about 4 or 5 years, but after that only got Honda SUVs.

Usually along with the "new" car he would have an older car as well, or a new truck. When he had the '04 Malibu he got a used '94 Buick Regal. It was a beautiful aqua green with a tan interior. I get the impression he really loved that car as he would drive it when he'd come to visit more than that new Malibu and I remember riding in it a lot.

He also had at one point a '92 Buick Skylark. It was very basic and had manual windows and locks, which I thought was odd for a Buick. That one was supposed to become my first car, but it didn't end up happening and I didn't get my first car until about 5 years after. Not sure what happened to it but I guess he sold it on.

Post# 432546 , Reply# 209   9/26/2020 at 06:41 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Interesting about Impala's first year

The 1958 Impala as we know it, was supposed to debut in 1957, as a totally different trimline. BelAir was flagship model from '53-57. It was to yield to the new nameplate Impala in 57. The Impala was so different in almost every way and the re-tooling of the plants to make this car were not in place ,far behind where they should be.

So GM had to run the 57 BelAir in place of the '58. The Impala had rounded fins in the back. It had coil springs suspension front and rear. A bigger 348 turbo jet V8. was in addition to the 283 engine. Like the '57i/2 model you could get fuel injection. Not sure if the 409 was offered as it was in '59.

I do think it was a good thing they ran the 57 Bel Air as the flagship trim, it was extremely popular, had the most understated fins of the model year.The half year model 57 had metallic paint options,fuel injection,twin antennas for the tube radio and custom seat covers from the factory.My family bought an aqua blue 2 dr. hardtop with a white top and the power pack 283 4bbl carb and a little higher rise on the intake 4bbl carb. Years ago I bought one the same as our family car was and fixed it up, drove for 5 years and sold it to my brothers best bud.

He had it for a week, went honky tonkin with friends. Lost control of the car in his neighborhood, flew through the fence at the neighbors and put the car down in the deep end of their pool after snapping their diving board in two and dragging the pool slide in with them. I get a visit from police at 4am asking if I owned the car, then gave me the bad news. What a waste of a beautiful car!

I do like the engines in the newer cars, so much more refined. They start up faster, run smoother and will last longer than the old school machinery,just a little pricier. A German mechanic who worked at Mercedes Benz in the 50's said they all had respect for American car manufacturers back then.They were really impressed with Olds,Buick and Cadillac,and all the inovation going forward with these cars.

Post# 432548 , Reply# 210   9/26/2020 at 07:09 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Cole, guessing he took the 94 Regal on trips because it was comfortable! Buicks make great road cars.

Post# 432595 , Reply# 211   9/26/2020 at 18:06 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
@ suckolux

Are you liking your present car so far?

Post# 432598 , Reply# 212   9/26/2020 at 18:32 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I actually am, but still adjusting. Mileage is good, but the insurance and license is double, hopefully less maintenance and repair it will even out or better. Thanks for asking.

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