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Have you ever gone without washing Dyson filter(s)?
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Post# 310072   12/27/2014 at 18:18 (3,379 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        

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My mom has a Dyson DC07 Animal at her apartment.

Today I went there not too long ago to drop off things, and I checked the filter. It was really dirty, presumably from carpet freshening powder used 6 months ago.

When I insisted that I wash it, Mom said no. I said that it should be washed every 6 months, but she doesn't vacuum very often, and doesn't think it needs to be washed! I then put it back. I didn't vacuum her place today.

So I wanted to see if anybody has used a Dyson vacuum and haven't actually washed the filter(s). Mom always empties the bin after every use. She doesn't have pets.

Below is a picture of the filter, showing how dirty it is. When I used this Dyson at my house (before the divorce), the filter has remained spotless. It just got dirty when we used the carpet powder.


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Post# 310075 , Reply# 1   12/27/2014 at 18:51 (3,378 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I have, actually with some Dysons we had such as the DC01 and DC25. They need the filters to be washed every 3 months, but J just leave them untill they cant suck anymore, or if I decide the machine deserves a refurbishment :)
With my DC07 Origin, the filter does not need washing even after 6 months, because if the new de rooted cyclones which stop clogging and less dust goes into the filter. The earlier Dyson DC07's filters got dirty quickly . Our DC07 origin was from 2005, a family member has it now.

Infact, the family member we gave the DC07 to had owned it for approx 9 months and she doesn't know about the filters. I never tell her and I dont think I will. She also has two DC01's, and she never touches the filters in them either. One DC01 she never uses, and the other had went through nearly 2 years without the filter wash. I would say approx 18 months for the DC01.

But so many come on eBay for spares and repairs. The main culprit is normally the filter. People either dont know about them or just forget. Some people are just so blind eyed ti their Dysons, that I seen loads of people selling their Dyson with the brush not working. This meant DC33, 14/07/04 models. Guess what? The brush was turned off, lol. I messaged a few people though telling them that, and they end the listings


Post# 310078 , Reply# 2   12/27/2014 at 19:09 (3,378 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

My neighbour has a Dyson DC33 Multi Floor which they owned from new two years ago. They like the machine and all but then the motor blew up after a few months. They got it repaired for free by Dyson under guarantee. Aft this, the machine had no problems. I thought jt was because the filters were not being washed. Another friend suggested that the bin was being over filled.

Then when the cable connection broke and some of the family had gone abroad, nobody could take it to Currys and get the machine fixed. Dunno why Dyson man didn't come but I wouldn't want him to come to mine either TBH, lol. But I fixed the cable and cleaned the machine out for them. The had only owned the machine for under a year at the time. The filter was really dusty and had a massive hairball. They are a nice large family in a 3 story carpeted house with five bedrooms. More than 5 females in the house I think with children and I think 4 men. The DC33 is doing pretty well! When. I fixed it, the brushbar was so badly wrapped in hair that it was like a round brushbar. It is Helix! The performance was fine though. I vacuumed the filters off with my very trusty DC07 Origin.

Then about 6 months ago, I was told the machine was not sucking up as well as its supposed to. I suggested a filter wash, and they said that's what the Dyson helpline told them and that it took a while in the phone and a few family members to figure out how to to get both filters out. "One by the wheel and one under the tank." The next day I saw filters drying on the garden. And then they said it wont even pick up string either. I suggested the brushbar clean. I said a coin is needed to turn the fasteners underneath and remove the sole plate. They were confused. They got the Dyson and gave it to me over the garden fence :P I out the filters in for them and all that and gave them back. I noticed they out a new internal hose on! But they never done it right. It was loose so I put it on properly. Could that have been the issue? The old internal hose was red because their carpets are.

Today they still use it fine with no problems. It is the best vacuum the owned. In the lags they used Numatic and Vax. Dyson beat both and they prefer the DC33. That is what matters.


Post# 310117 , Reply# 3   12/28/2014 at 02:45 (3,378 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The few times I used Dysons--NEVER bothered washing the filter-Honestly do you REALLY want to wash that thing esp if its someone elses vacuum?When the filter in mine got dirty-just spent the 14 bucks on a new one.Worth it,I thought.A Dyson I got from a Kirby trade in pile-was owned by a dog owner-replaced the filter and washed the rest of the machine.Doggy essence gone!I just don't think you can wash ALL of the dirt from the spent Dyson filter.Just better to replace it.Nice new FRESH one!At the time I tried Dysons-the filters were about 14 bucks.Don't know what they are now.

Post# 310147 , Reply# 4   12/28/2014 at 13:19 (3,378 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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I've never washed my DC14's filter. It's been vacuumed many times, but never washed. I've vacuumed up literally buckets worth of dry carpet cleaner and have yet to see a loss in suction.  After each carpet cleaning, I take my Electolux and vacuum both sides of the pre-motor filter, and switch to blower mode and clean the cyclones. It takes maybe 7 minutes at the most. Dyson may not be the best at cleaning carpets, but they sure know how to build a cyclonic system. 


Post# 310150 , Reply# 5   12/28/2014 at 14:32 (3,378 days old) by citroenbx (england)        

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these are some filter of dyson's I have refurbished

the motors really suffer when you don't wash the filters

that what I think


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Post# 310153 , Reply# 6   12/28/2014 at 14:46 (3,378 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I agree with Nathaniel and Citroen. I heard they Are making a cinetic upright! I want one.

Post# 310161 , Reply# 7   12/28/2014 at 15:10 (3,378 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

In respose to the original question, that Dyson filter looks perfectly fine to me. If thats 6 months of use on it I'd say it was good for another 6 months before performance will even start to be reduced.

I maintain a DC07 that is used commercially and the filter looks like that after just one use. Thinking of that I can't remember the last time I checked the filter on that machine.... Better take them a fresh one up and bring the no doubt burried in dust one home to wash.


Post# 310244 , Reply# 8   12/29/2014 at 12:00 (3,377 days old) by VacuumSalesman (Berlin Heights)        
My aunt's DC25

She never cleans her filters and neither does her husband no matter how many times I explain it! They have 4 cats and a dog and the hair passes through the cyclones over time and make a huge hair ball on the filter! I went there tens times over the summer and had to clean their DC25 constantly because of all the animals they have. They would complain about the brushes not spinning and there being no suction all because of the animal hair.

Post# 310249 , Reply# 9   12/29/2014 at 13:11 (3,377 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

OMG wow LOL, my neighbour is exactly the same. The only difference is that they have human hair, and a dc33 instead of a dc25

Post# 310261 , Reply# 10   12/29/2014 at 14:44 (3,377 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Thanks!

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Very interesting to hear about all your experiences with Dyson filters!

Tolivac, I think buying new Dyson filters makes an already expensive vacuum even more expensive. One of the big selling points of Dyson vacuums is "no extra costs." What contributes to that is the fact that there are no bags, belts or filters to buy. You just give Dyson your money and that's it.

Bagintheback, you're exactly right. Because Dyson was the first to invent cyclonic technology, they have also been the only company to perfect it. Other companies have tried to copy Dyson's technology, but they've all failed miserably.

Citroenbx, those are some pretty dirty filters! I wonder what Dyson machines they came out of?

Matt8808, I think that the use of a Dyson in a commercial setting is causing the filter to clog up easily, due to the black dust in such settings. At my local food bank, their vacuum cleaner is a Bissell Powerforce Helix. Its filters get dirty REALLY fast, and when they get caked with dust, I have to go outside and shake off the filters (with gloves on). It's a NASTY job!

VacuumSalesman, I did the exact same thing the other day to my mom! As I've stated before, she lives by herself in a small 700 sq. ft. apartment with no pets. She doesn't plan to get any. But Mom has to deal with her hair falling out. However, she doesn't have to untangle the brush bar.

I wonder when the Dyson Cinetic will come out in the US?


Post# 310263 , Reply# 11   12/29/2014 at 14:48 (3,377 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Dyson Cinetic is not in the USA yet? I think you should be getting it soon. But you got the improved version of the DC41 before us though :)

Post# 310264 , Reply# 12   12/29/2014 at 14:50 (3,377 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
I almost forgot....

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I have a Hoover Windtunnel 2 Rewind Pet. It has a dual-cyclonic separation system. I have 3 dogs and a cat and their hair gradually passes through the cyclones and makes hairballs on the pre-motor filter! This shows how inefficient other manufacturers' cyclonic technologies are.

Post# 310265 , Reply# 13   12/29/2014 at 14:52 (3,377 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Hmm...

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I predict that the Dyson Cinetic will come out sometime next year in the US.

But we do have the DC65 in the meantime!


Post# 310266 , Reply# 14   12/29/2014 at 15:24 (3,377 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Nice! I think a Dyson are making a cinetic upright now. That would be awesome!
The DC01 actually was pretty good for the first Dyson. It was only fine dust that went on the pre motor filter instead of dirt and hair. With my DC04, DC05, DC14, DC24 and DC25 (DC27 and DC33 too) they leave so much hair in the pre motor filters! After just doing a quick vacuum downstairs ( hallway, three rooms and the kitchen) there's already hair on my DC14.

I really want to import a DC17 from abroad because of its level 3 cyclone technology and
aggressive brushbar. DC28 some day hopefully aswell because of Airmuscle technology. Atleast we finally get a Dyson which is designed to be the best as well at a TOL.


Post# 310274 , Reply# 15   12/29/2014 at 16:22 (3,377 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

I disagree on others trying to copy and failing miserably. That is do far from the truth. In the UK I've used a Vax Mach Air that has multi cyclonic technology and it was fantastic with its filtration ability, it did not cause issues with clogging and as with the Dyson the filter required periodic washing.

With regards to hair balls being on the Hoover pre motor filter. I've had that on all my Dysons. Chunks of hair on the filters when it came to washing them. I've seen hair go through the cyclones on the DC02, DC04, DC05, DC1 handheld and DC24 machines in addition to sand particles. It was my mother and sister who have long wavy hair and some bits somehow used to go through the cyclones onto the filter. Cinetic will overcome this problem I'm sure.

My Dyson DC24 says wash every 1 month. I do it every 2 months or so. It's a caked up mess when I get round to it but my machine had survived it. The suction motor in the DC24 is durable enough.


Post# 310275 , Reply# 16   12/29/2014 at 16:24 (3,377 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

I disagree on the comment that others trying to copy and failing miserably. That is so far from the truth. In the UK I've used a Vax Mach Air that has multi cyclonic technology and it was fantastic with its filtration ability, it did not cause issues with clogging and as with the Dyson the filter required periodic washing.

With regards to hair balls being on the Hoover pre motor filter. I've had that on all my Dysons. Chunks of hair on the filters when it came to washing them. I've seen hair go through the cyclones on the DC02, DC04, DC05, DC1 handheld and DC24 machines in addition to sand particles. It was my mother and sister who have long wavy hair and some bits somehow used to go through the cyclones onto the filter. Cinetic will overcome this problem I'm sure.

My Dyson DC24 says wash every 1 month. I do it every 2 months or so. It's a caked up mess when I get round to it but my machine had survived it. The suction motor in the DC24 is durable enough.


Post# 310276 , Reply# 17   12/29/2014 at 16:29 (3,377 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

Ewww yuk, this is wot I have to touch. Whether it's 1 month or 2 months. But you know what, my machine's motor still works fine today and it's just over 5 years old. I've had issues on other areas with it but the main motor is good.

Post# 310277 , Reply# 18   12/29/2014 at 17:06 (3,377 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Cool, the cyclones dont keep the filters that clean but separate pretty good. I hate when my DC25 and DC14 filters have dust on them after a few uses. Btw. blackleg I am actually looking at a Vax Mach air! Can you believe that? Lol
I want to get a DC41 mk2 in the future when they get cheaper. The cyclones in those are pretty good at keep filters clean apparently

The only Dyson that keep its filters clean (dc01 to dc33) is the later DC07 my filters never got dusty unless I vacuumed shake n vac or something. But no household dust touched it since we got it in January this year. No hair goes on the filters even after six months. It would look like its been just washed. I was impressed with the DC07, its like one of the best dysons for reliability.


Post# 310279 , Reply# 19   12/29/2014 at 17:30 (3,377 days old) by citroenbx (england)        

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wow very dirty

Post# 310280 , Reply# 20   12/29/2014 at 18:08 (3,377 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Wow...

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Those are some filthy Dyson filters! But it's good to hear that your DC24 is still working, Blakaeg.

As for copying of cyclonic technology, I have a Bissell canister with multi-cyclonic technology that filters quite well!. I do see some pet hair and dust on the pre-motor filter, but not as bad as my Hoover.

I'm looking at a Hoover Windtunnel Air Steerable for my mom. The swivel steering would make vacuuming smoother and easier, especially in a small apartment.

I would like to try a DC65 in the future. It looks like it would clean the heck out of my carpets!


Post# 310281 , Reply# 21   12/29/2014 at 18:15 (3,377 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I dunno what's wrong me, but I want a Mach air reach from Vax! :/ probs cos of the Dyson looks and design but its pretty cool! I'm worried though that SOOOOOO SOOOOOO many people with Mach aria say that the motors blow for no reason. IM like what?! Really?! But its under normal use. But the six year guarantee involves sending the vacuum by post ugh

Post# 310303 , Reply# 22   12/30/2014 at 03:00 (3,376 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

At present my 2 only Dysons sit at the back of the pile.No longer use them.Kirby is So MUCH better!No filters-don't mind changing bags.

Post# 310305 , Reply# 23   12/30/2014 at 06:19 (3,376 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

Please let us know how you are getting on with the DC65 when you get it ;)

Post# 310322 , Reply# 24   12/30/2014 at 11:05 (3,376 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Yes Tolivac, I agree.

 

And the Kirby bags are so huge, I only need to change mine every six months.


Post# 310326 , Reply# 25   12/30/2014 at 12:03 (3,376 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        

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Tolivac, yes, the nice thing about bags is that you don't have to make contact with the dirt when changing the bag. It's much cleaner than emptying a dirt cup. And there are no messy filters to wash! However, you will have to keep buying bags, which gets expensive over time.

Blakaeg, I'm not sure if I will get a DC65. I have a perfectly good Hoover upright that cleans very well. Plus, the DC65 is expensive!


Post# 310332 , Reply# 26   12/30/2014 at 13:07 (3,376 days old) by fantomfan (Rochester, New York)        
Filter Queens use cyclonic technology.

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The first Rainbow did as well. (The first to use it.) The patent-infringed Lewyt did as well. This is going back to the 1930's and 1940's. What Dyson thought he invented had actually been around for decades. I have no doubt though, my Dc07 takes forever for the pre motor filter to get dirty. I have NEVER had problems with my newer, multi-cyclonic Hoovers (in regards of cyclonic filtration.) I think that Hoover and Electrolux EASILY compete with Dyson's technology today.

Post# 310333 , Reply# 27   12/30/2014 at 13:29 (3,376 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Nick: A pack of 6 Kirby HEPA bags cost around $18.00. I can clean my 1000 sq. ft. apartment with wall to wall thick plush carpet for 3 years on that pack of 6 bags.

 

Now I ask you, Do you consider $18.00 every 3 years or $6.00 a year to be too expensive for you?


Post# 310334 , Reply# 28   12/30/2014 at 13:53 (3,376 days old) by fantomfan (Rochester, New York)        
You can always get a water filtration vac with a separator!

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NO smelly bags, NO messy dirt Cup, NO dust clouds, NO added cost of bags or filters (The rainbow has a washable filter.) The only TRUE solution to smelly bags and messy dirt cups, that is NOT a hassle. Maintaining a bagless vacuum would take far more time, in the long run to operate.

Post# 310336 , Reply# 29   12/30/2014 at 14:08 (3,376 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I am soo tempted to get either a DC41 Mk2 or a DC55. Probably the DC41 because its blue and like £30 cheaper

Post# 310352 , Reply# 30   12/30/2014 at 15:19 (3,376 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
sptyks,

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Didn't Jim Kirby invent the "Domestic Cyclone", which used water separation?


Post# 310354 , Reply# 31   12/30/2014 at 16:05 (3,376 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
The one downside of...

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Water filtration is the fact that you would have to rinse out the basin and let it dry completely after EVERY use, or else mold and mildew will build up. That's my theory. This is just like maintaining a carpet cleaning machine.

Post# 310356 , Reply# 32   12/30/2014 at 16:51 (3,376 days old) by fantomfan (Rochester, New York)        
Yes, but it is always ready to use.

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No filters or parts that need to dry completely. Just wash it, and it's ready to use again. Water is going inside the pan already, so it doesn't matter if it's a little wet inside. The basin is always stored outside of the vacuum, so mold and mildew shouldn't be a problem. I've used my Rainbow several times where I just change the water halfway through use, just wiping down the outside. All designs have downsides, but certain designs I feel are better than others.

Post# 310361 , Reply# 33   12/30/2014 at 18:16 (3,376 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Yesterday it sucked uo water with my dc25 cos the hose was dirty. It worked fine actually! Then I washed both filters and the entire cyclone unit

Post# 310372 , Reply# 34   12/30/2014 at 20:13 (3,375 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Jake: I don't think Jim Kirby invented the Domestic Cyclone, But I could be wrong.


Post# 310375 , Reply# 35   12/30/2014 at 20:36 (3,375 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
He sure did

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James B. Kirby (September 28, 1884 - June 9, 1971) was a Scottish inventor who moved to America and is known mostly for inventing the Kirby vacuum cleaner.

His father was a Great Lakes marine engineer. Kirby grew up in Cleveland's southwest side on Marvin Avenue. He claims that he got his start early by attending electricity and magic classes at the Y.M.C.A. While attending Lincoln High School he worked as a lamplighter where he walked up and down Scranton road and Denison avenue lighting and snuffing out the street lights for which he earned $16.50 a month. He would often also go to downtown Cleveland and "stuff" newspapers for a dollar a night. He invented his first vacuum cleaner, called the Domestic Cyclone, in 1906, which was a hand-powered canister cleaner that used a water filtration system. Jim Kirby lived most of his adult life on his farm in Richfield, Ohio, about 28 miles south of Cleveland.

Dan


Post# 310378 , Reply# 36   12/30/2014 at 21:11 (3,375 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Those Scots are some clever folk!

Post# 310379 , Reply# 37   12/30/2014 at 21:17 (3,375 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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my dc18 shows slight hint of dust after who knows how long, I forget to check it it's so infrequent. My Hoover Wintunnel Air, shows pretty dirty in 2 months.

Post# 310397 , Reply# 38   12/31/2014 at 03:42 (3,375 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

A pack of 6 Kirby HEPA type bags lasts me a year.Watertrap vacuums are nice-but just don't really like them for all of the time use-You have to fill the water bin and assemble the machine.Use it-disassemble the machine and dump the water bin and wash it out.I don't have odor problems since I don't have pets.To used to the real convenience of bag vacuums-no assembly or disassembly-just get the machine out and go to work.If the bag is filled-replace it.Much faster and easier than the dirt or water bin.And use the NSS "PIG" for those nasty dirty jobs-its HUGE metal fan will eat stuff that will DESTROY a Kirby or some other plastic vac fan.Use the "PIG" to clean out vacuums I get from others for my collection.If things go right takes a YEAR to fill its huge paper liner bag in the cloth bag.

Post# 311341 , Reply# 39   1/8/2015 at 23:08 (3,366 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
As Parwaz and I have predicted...

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The Dyson Cinetic Big Ball upright vacuum was officially announced! And it's even coming to the USA! Am I good at predictions or what?

The Dyson Cinetic Science is so efficient that washing and/or replacing these dirty filters will soon be a thing of the past.

No clogging. No loss of suction.
Dyson Cinetic Science


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Post# 311430 , Reply# 40   1/9/2015 at 16:32 (3,366 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
"All others lose suction"

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Hmm.... Well I guess the Rainbow and Sirena don't count!

Post# 313683 , Reply# 41   1/28/2015 at 23:54 (3,346 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

I just changed the pre-filter on my Kenmore cyclonic canister even though its not that dirty

I might keep using it more often

I will buy another one for vacing other people's houses, since I clean houses part time. I don't like using their vacuums because most folks I know use poorly maintained machines


Post# 313763 , Reply# 42   1/29/2015 at 22:34 (3,345 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Well,

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Good for you, using your own machine to clean other people's houses! It amazes me how people treat their vacuums, as mentioned in another Vacuumland thread.

At the end of the day, the longevity of a vacuum cleaner is dependent on the person operating it. $50 or $500, your machine NEEDS constant maintenance.



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