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Thread Number: 27359
/ Tag: Recent Vacuum Cleaners from past 20 years
Filter Queen and Tristar |
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| Post# 306691 , Reply# 1 11/19/2014 at 11:09 (3,435 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
Tri Star CS 
Is the best of all Tristars it has a brushless motor cleans very well .
I also have the newest Filter Queen it does a great job the powernozzle works really well just wish both had headlights and updated designs . Dan | ||
| Post# 306692 , Reply# 2 11/19/2014 at 11:12 (3,435 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Respectively have you done a Google search on archive threads? You'd find a lot of info regarding the Tristar vacs too.
"New Tristar vs CXL Tristar" www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-... "Tristar MG2" www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-... | ||
| Post# 306694 , Reply# 3 11/19/2014 at 11:22 (3,435 days old) by Kirbyduh (Kentucky ) | ||
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Thanks Dan and sebo_fan I have seen those threads, but the first one compares the CXL to the CS and the second one doesn't have any info on the CS. Thank you for posting those links, though. | ||
| Post# 306697 , Reply# 4 11/19/2014 at 11:40 (3,435 days old) by blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
Definitely the tristar!
Filter queen has never been known for their power nozzles. In the door to door canister performance test I did the filter queen 75th anniversary did the worst. The tristar mg2's (with an exl motor) did the 2nd best. Losing only to the Patriot and had I had room I think the silver king would have performed better too. If you do go with with a newer tristar I'd go with an exl or cs. The mg2's motor produces little airflow. If you were to buy an mg2 an exl motor seal will allow you to put a dual stage motor in an mg2
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| Post# 306700 , Reply# 5 11/19/2014 at 12:28 (3,435 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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Though I own and Like both It I had to choose only one. Tri-Star. Better cleaning power head. Expendables (bags and filters) are not as costly | ||
| Post# 306714 , Reply# 6 11/19/2014 at 15:28 (3,435 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado) | ||
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| Post# 306717 , Reply# 7 11/19/2014 at 16:00 (3,435 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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It's a | ||
| Post# 306729 , Reply# 8 11/19/2014 at 16:49 (3,435 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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Brushless motor Much like the Rainbow motor, its a digital motor, they are usually quieter (though the Rainbow is debatable in my book) and don't have brushes to wear out, or exhaust carbon dust from the brushes wearing. | ||
| Post# 306824 , Reply# 10 11/20/2014 at 12:52 (3,434 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado) | ||
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I have the Rainbow with the brushless motor, as well as a Dyson DC22 Motorhead with their take on the SR motor. I guess what I mean is I'd like pics, I want to see how its set up and such, as this is the first time i've heard of them using one of these motors. I tried finding details about it on their site, but they don't really say much about the motor other than how powerful it is.
I would agree that these are the future of suction motors in vacuum cleaners. I don't know about PN or brush roll drive motors though, SR motors have far less torque than a universal (brushed motor) of the same size will, so unless they take advantage of gear reduction and a higher speed SR motor, I don't see them completely replacing brushed motors. The reason they don't have the torque is because there are no magnets on the rotor, I don't know that this would work, but I wonder if putting permanent magnets on the rotor of an SR motor would solve this issue, but there's probably some technical reason why not. | ||
Post# 306829 , Reply# 12 11/20/2014 at 13:34 (3,434 days old) by KirbyClassicIII  (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 306835 , Reply# 13 11/20/2014 at 13:58 (3,434 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
John
Yes, you're right, the TriStar DOES lose suction, & rather badly I might add. My personal situation is I find I pick up mostly fine dust & dirt, & hardly any carpet fibers & no pet or people hair, so my bags clog quickly. I have found the Envirocare micro-filtration bags are a little bit better & help to some degree, but not much. I am trying to figure out a good way to make a HEPA bag for my TriStar to improve performance, & I hope that Aerus catches up with the times & replaces the paper bag with HEPA bags. As to any notion of TriStar's claims the machine is supposedly "cyclonic", as well as their competitors, that is totally FALSE. When you look at where the dirt lands in the bag, & you look at where the opening for the hose ends in the bag door, no wonder why it lands in the front - there's NOTHING cyclonic about it!
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| Post# 306839 , Reply# 14 11/20/2014 at 14:18 (3,434 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado) | ||
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I have heard from the local Lux guy that due to bag rupture issues in their new model (the bags clog up but the machine has so much power that it just rips them open!) that they are in the process of introducing HEPA type bags for all their machines, AND they are coming out with a HEPA filter that fits in the back of the C bag chambers, so all Lux canisters from the 1205 to today that use the C bag will be able to accept a pre-motor HEPA filter.
I don't have too many problems with the Tri-Star bags clogging, I've always been able to pretty much fill the bag, yes I notice a slight drop in power when the bag gets to be about ⅔ the way to being even with the top, to me thats full. I'm sure there is a steady but slight drop in airflow from when the bag is new to the point where I change it, however I don't feel its enough to harm pickup of dirt. The Filter Queen seems to see the same thing in my experience. I haven't used an FQ at home enough lately to tell, but the one we have here at work seems to get a lot of dust past the cones, and we only use the genuine cones in it, no generic stuff. I'd heard before that they weren't made of cellulose anymore, as they wanted the customers to need the charcoal cone behind it, no idea how true that is though. | ||
| Post# 306847 , Reply# 15 11/20/2014 at 15:21 (3,434 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.) | ||
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Thanks Ultralux88 for your explanation of how a brushless motor is set up. A lot of us are not as savvy as some with motors, but it is much appreciated! | ||
| Post# 306852 , Reply# 16 11/20/2014 at 16:00 (3,434 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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I posted the new Aerus
Bags on my thread "my extensive collection" my Aerus I own is the newest first Guardian Ultra out and my bags have never broken or busted in my machine . Some people had leak problem I have not had any issues since Aerus sent me the new improved paper bags now I have the HEPA bags and they are awesome .
If you use micro filtration off brand bags in Tri Star they clog quicker than the Genuine paper bags I prefer to use only genuine bags in all my vacuums . The Filter Queen cones I have which are the newest and old ones seem like the exact material (cellulose) that they have always used . Again in my uses I rarely see dust in the after filter under the cone I do change it even though it always looks clean . Maybe the NJ sand has something to do with no dust leaks but we get tons of Pune tree pollen in the spring where every thing is coated with a heavy yellow dust . Dan | ||
| Post# 306853 , Reply# 17 11/20/2014 at 16:17 (3,434 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
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Airflow loss
Filter queens lose airflow much more rapidly than the tristars.
while i had filter queens they would start off at about a 3.5 on the baird meter, and after cleaning the living room it either read in between .5-1 or no longer register at all. I just used my tristar MG2 (exl motor)in that same living room. it started off at 4.5 and ended above 4 but not quite at 4.5 let's say about 4.25 | ||
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Post# 306856 , Reply# 18 11/20/2014 at 17:05 (3,434 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa) |
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Filter Queen Tour | ||
| Post# 306918 , Reply# 20 11/21/2014 at 08:12 (3,433 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
 My only concern with the newer model Tristars is with the wands. I personally have never had a problem, but I've read about problems from others. The plastic wants are kind of clunky and prone to short out. I installed one of the new brushless motors in mine and it works great. It seems like I had to buy a new style motor mount too.
I like Filter Queens, but they have a few drawbacks to me. 1) They're not as easy to use (e.g. to empty, filter replacement, etc.); 2) They are more expensive to operate (filter cost); 3) I'm not a fan of the power nozzles (the new power nozzle easily gets bogged down in plush carpet and is difficult to push -- the older power nozzles never seemed very aggressive).
So I guess my nod would go to the Tristar. Plus, for someone like me who likes to work on his own stuff, they are easier to service. | ||
| Post# 306926 , Reply# 21 11/21/2014 at 10:47 (3,433 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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I have Frieze' carpet
And the Filter Queen goes through it easillly never Boggs down as other machines can .
The old style PN seemed to just glide over the carpet and not good deep cleaners that was why the redesigned it the new style PN are more effective cleaners . Filter are not that much difference in cost . I work on machines also and they are equally easy to repair . I don't feel the wands are clunky I like them and have never had any problems with them and my entire family uses Aerus With the same wand set up and theirs have been problem free . It comes down to personal preference buy them both and enjoy ;) Dan | ||
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Post# 306939 , Reply# 22 11/21/2014 at 13:50 (3,433 days old) by jfalberti (Visalia, CA) |
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I like both | ||
| Post# 307114 , Reply# 23 11/23/2014 at 01:01 (3,431 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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Ultralux88
Hold on a minute. Am I reading your reply right here?? You're saying Aerus is introducing Cloth HEPA bags for ALL their vacuums? Including the C, U & R bags? Did your local Lux guy give you any idea as to when these bags will be introduced & available for sale thru Aerus distributors?
I truly hope they are doing this! It's about time they brought out a Cloth HEPA bag for their vacuums. Besides, doing this they wouldn't have to open up a bag manufacturing operation in Bristol, Virginia again. There are manufacturers in China already making Cloth HEPA Electrolux bags, if you look on the Internet you can find them easily. So considering Aerus would have minimal manufacturing expense, the Cloth HEPA bags are superior in filtration & cleaning performance which can be demonstrated to a customer, & the distributor can justify selling them for more money, everybody wins, except the customer that is LOL. In addition, since the bags won't rupture & filter better, it should also reduce warranty claims for replacement motors, since as long as a customer is using genuine Aerus bags, the possibility of a bag rupture & possible motor damage is eliminated. However, having said that, I don't agree with the idea with the idea of a HEPA filter designed for the bag chamber. If they are introducing Cloth HEPA bags, there is no need for one. Plus, if they REALLY want to sell existing customers on HEPA filtration for their existing Aerus or Electrolux vacuum, all they would need to do is design a replacement filter cover for the plastic bodied canisters & sell the Guardian Ultra HEPA filter to them. Aerus can claim all they want that it won't work on plastic bodied canisters, since the Guardian Ultra is the only canister that used Style C bags that was a sealed canister, but that's not true! I have successfully used the Guardian Ultra HEPA filter in my Canadian AP280 & 2100 plastic bodied canisters, with no issues regarding leakage, & both of them filter exceptionally well with the HEPA filter installed. Sure, if they went this route they would be eliminating customers with the metal bodied canisters, but they can still sell them Cloth HEPA bags, & since they are discontinuing most parts for them, perhaps convince the customer that it's time to upgrade to a new model. Rob | ||
| Post# 307145 , Reply# 24 11/23/2014 at 11:22 (3,431 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado) | ||
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I don't know what sort of timeline we are looking at, I was kind of hoping they would be out by now. I'll check and see next time I talk to him.
Tolivac, the torque thing that I was saying is basically what someone who I believed to be knowledgable told me, I'm actually glad to know that isn't correct. I do think that SR motors are very much superior to brushed motors, primarily because they are more reliable without the brushes, but also because of the speed control you mentioned, not only is the speed range wider but because the speed of the motor is monitored by the controller (in the Rainbow they use a Hall sensor setup like you'll find in Tacony's idler pulleys on the permanent belt models) its extremely precise, so they are great for situations where as the load varies the speed can be easily maintained simply by having the firmware on the controller do so. The motor in my DC22 I believe claims to run at an insane 88,000 RPM, you'd never be able to do that and have it be practical with a brushed motor. I'm not even sure a brushed motor could do it. If its possible, I would love to see PN motors switch to SR technology as well, it will only make a better, more reliable vacuum in the end. | ||
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