Thread Number: 27217
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Post# 304993 , Reply# 2   11/6/2014 at 04:02 (3,430 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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I understand your point but couldn't they offer a budget range and a high end range? As Miele do with the S2 and S8 for example? |
Post# 304994 , Reply# 3   11/6/2014 at 04:11 (3,430 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Hoover have never been a British company. The Hoover was invented by an american and first manufactured in the US. Later on, the company was split into 2 divisions - Hoover US and Hoover Europe. Hoover Europe's base was the UK, but the company HQ and owners were all in the US.
Hoover Europe went under in the mid-90's following the free flights fiasco and were bought out by Candy in 1995. Since then, quality has declined and the cleaners have become cheaper and cheaper. Production in the UK ceased in 2003 when the Cambuslang factory closed. They're now made in various parts of Europe and China (I believe there is still a factor in Portugal, but don't quote me on that) and the company that we knew as Hoover Europe no longer exists - it's just a division of Candy now. |
Post# 304995 , Reply# 4   11/6/2014 at 04:13 (3,430 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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They probably could, but why would they when they make more than enough profits on cheap throw-away appliances? There washers are absolutely awful these days too and don't last more than a few years. They're not a quality brand anymore and haven't been in a good 10-15 years. The last decent vacuum they made was the early Purepowers/late Turbopower 2's and the last decent washing machine they made was, arguabley, the New Wave's in about 1994.
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Post# 304998 , Reply# 6   11/6/2014 at 04:15 (3,430 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Ah yes good point Chris. But what are there no high end British bagged vacuums made? I find that quite depressing as we are more than capable :-( |
Post# 305000 , Reply# 8   11/6/2014 at 04:19 (3,430 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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As you say the cost of designing and marketing is the problem. It's very sad though. I'd love to see a high end British bagged vacuum manufacturer. |
Post# 305002 , Reply# 9   11/6/2014 at 04:26 (3,430 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Depends what you class as high end.
Numatic are the only manufacturer left who still make vacuums in the UK. Everything else is made in Europe and China. It's likely because nobody is based here anymore. Electrolux used to be made in Luton, but they've pulled out of the vacuum market with only the AEG and Zanussi brands now appearing on Electrolux Group cleaners. These are made in Sweden (Electrolux's base country) and China, depending on the model. Hoover were bought out by Candy, so production eventually moved to already existing Candy factories. Dyson went to Malaysia in the early 2000's and Goblin got bought out. That's all the British made vacs I can think of off the top of my head. Only Numatic are still here. |
Post# 305005 , Reply# 12   11/6/2014 at 05:22 (3,430 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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What about Numatic producing an Upright cleaner for the commercial world? Which could lead to an upright for the domestic market? |
Post# 305006 , Reply# 13   11/6/2014 at 05:54 (3,430 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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They did produce 2 uprights years ago. The swift and Turbo-something (sorry, the name has escaped me). These were very similar to Vorwerk machines. Infact, they possibly were rebadged Vorweks. They didn't sell very well though and only lasted a few years.
Personally, I'd say it's a much safer bet for Numatic to continue doing what they do best. Their cylinders are very highly regarded in terms of quality and reliability, why damage that reputation on a cleaner that might not even sell that well? Don't forget, Numatic were for many years primarily a commercial company and Sebo pretty much dominated the commercial upright market from 1977 onwards. It would make far more financial sense to not compete with Sebo, but to compliment them by aiming for the cylinder end of the commercial market. |
Post# 305009 , Reply# 14   11/6/2014 at 06:02 (3,430 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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You're probably correct Sebo Fan so no British high end bagged vacuum cleaners. Tis a shame. |
Post# 305010 , Reply# 15   11/6/2014 at 06:03 (3,430 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Sebo Fan? Chris i mean!!! Haha |
Post# 305012 , Reply# 16   11/6/2014 at 06:09 (3,430 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Numatic however rebadge certain SEBO commercial uprights in other countries, such as Numatic's German website.
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Post# 305013 , Reply# 17   11/6/2014 at 06:22 (3,430 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Oh right I didn't realise that. How does that work then? |
Post# 305015 , Reply# 18   11/6/2014 at 07:31 (3,430 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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They're made on licence. Numatic pay Sebo an amount to manufacturer a machine with their branding on it, and then both companies share the profit - Numatic for the branding and Sebo for the patent. Kind of like song writing royalties.
This is very popular for commercial vacuums, especially Sebo. Sebo uprights have been made under licence as Jeyes Hygeine, Engisn, Windsor, Johnson Diversity and Numatic just to name a few and it's one way that Sebo made profits right from their very first year. Infact, their first cleaner (the Sebo 350) was never actually branded Sebo in this country. |
Post# 305016 , Reply# 19   11/6/2014 at 07:35 (3,430 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Thank you Chris now I understand :-) I have seen Windsor in the USA. |
Post# 305051 , Reply# 21   11/6/2014 at 13:49 (3,430 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Would you like to be my business advisor? :-) |
Post# 305055 , Reply# 22   11/6/2014 at 14:32 (3,430 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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No thank you! My days of all that are over! :) |
Post# 305056 , Reply# 23   11/6/2014 at 14:34 (3,430 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Haha lucky you! I've got about 40 years to go :-( |