Thread Number: 27097
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Post# 303169   10/25/2014 at 20:28 (3,441 days old) by adambomb (Undisclosed )   |   | |
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Post# 303170 , Reply# 1   10/25/2014 at 20:32 (3,441 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)   |   | |
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Post# 303172 , Reply# 2   10/25/2014 at 20:34 (3,441 days old) by adambomb (Undisclosed )   |   | |
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Post# 303174 , Reply# 3   10/25/2014 at 20:40 (3,441 days old) by kirbyduh (Kentucky )   |   | |
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What are the new features? It looks like a Sentria with a different handle... I'm really hoping they have some neat new features. The shampooer looks different and I like the color scheme. |
Post# 303176 , Reply# 4   10/25/2014 at 20:41 (3,441 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)   |   | |
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Post# 303177 , Reply# 5   10/25/2014 at 20:45 (3,441 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)   |   | |
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Post# 303178 , Reply# 6   10/25/2014 at 20:55 (3,441 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 303179 , Reply# 7   10/25/2014 at 20:55 (3,441 days old) by Marks_here (_._)   |   | |
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Post# 303180 , Reply# 8   10/25/2014 at 20:57 (3,441 days old) by adambomb (Undisclosed )   |   | |
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Disappointment of the century! I'm out guys Peace!! |
Post# 303181 , Reply# 9   10/25/2014 at 20:57 (3,441 days old) by Thunderhexed (Edmond, OK)   |   | |
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Post# 303182 , Reply# 10   10/25/2014 at 20:58 (3,441 days old) by Marks_here (_._)   |   | |
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Post# 303184 , Reply# 11   10/25/2014 at 21:07 (3,441 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)   |   | |
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Post# 303186 , Reply# 12   10/25/2014 at 21:27 (3,441 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)   |   | |
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Based on the publicity it was getting, I was expecting something a little more revolutionary! Maybe the tools have been revamped? The only thing that really looks different is the handle. I must admit, I do like the color scheme. Maybe they are doing small incrument improvements, and saving the new model for the REAL anniversary?
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Post# 303188 , Reply# 13   10/25/2014 at 21:44 (3,441 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 303189 , Reply# 14   10/25/2014 at 22:13 (3,441 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)   |   | |
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Yay! Another re-color! |
Post# 303194 , Reply# 16   10/25/2014 at 22:34 (3,441 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)   |   | |
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Post# 303202 , Reply# 17   10/25/2014 at 23:37 (3,441 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)   |   | |
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I'm sure kirbyloverdan is bent out of shape. Once again he didn't get his totally redesigned Kirby. For the rest of us loyal and true customers we have been spared any huge disapointments with the Kirby. The tried and true triumphs again. |
Post# 303206 , Reply# 18   10/25/2014 at 23:55 (3,441 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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I'm so bent outta shape that I'm buying two of the brand new Avalirs .
I don't care what Kirby does I will always love and buy EVERY new Kirby that's released ;) How many are you gonna buy ? Dan
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Post# 303207 , Reply# 19   10/25/2014 at 23:56 (3,441 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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Well that's a disappointment i was seriously expecting something revolutionary for Kirby. I was prepared to replace my G6 with the new model but this....is just a huge let down. Don't get me wrong i'm sure it's a wonderful machine but it's just nothing like what was rumored and expected. Thanks for posting those Pictures adam.
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Post# 303209 , Reply# 20   10/25/2014 at 23:59 (3,441 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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Honestly, I wasn't a huge fan of the Sentria II color scheme. I've recently come to appreciate some aspects of it, but I was really hoping whatever the next model was wasn't going to look anything more radical than that. The Availar shampooer looks interesting, but seriously, that new bag and black ascents are NOT my style. It doesn't even look contemporary. No offense to those who like it, but the pattern reminds me of some sort of trying-to-be-fashionable dog purse. It looks like they are trying to be retro with the large central Kirby logo. It could have looked okay, but that pattern.....
I was really considering buying a new redesigned Kirby if they had released one. For me, it looks like the Ultimate G was just as the name suggests: the "ultimate" Kirby. I don't think Kirby is going to make anything better than that. This post was last edited 10/26/2014 at 00:18 |
Post# 303215 , Reply# 22   10/26/2014 at 00:43 (3,441 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)   |   | |
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So other than the handle and the shampooer that's basically the same machine as my 2006 Sentria...... Guess they will be around £300 in a year or so on Ebay.... Seamus |
Post# 303216 , Reply# 23   10/26/2014 at 01:07 (3,441 days old) by chicagomike (Plover, WI)   |   | |
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AVALIR
By: The Scott Fetzer Company VACUUM CLEANERS AND VACUUM CLEANER ACCESSORIES, NAMELY, VACUUM CLEANER BAGS, VACUUM CLEANER BELTS, VACUUM CLEANER BRUSH ROLLS, VACUUM CLEANER BRUSHES, VACUUM CLEANER HOSES, VACUUM CLEANER WANDS, VACUUM CLEANER HOSE EXTENSION TUBES, VACUUM CLEANER HANDLE EXTENSIONS, VACUUM CLEANER CREVICE TOOLS, VACUUM CLEANER MOTORS, VACUUM CLEANER TRANSMISSIONS, VACUUM CLEANER HEADLIGHT BULBS, VACUUM CLEANER SWITCHES, VACUUM CLEANER CORDS, VACUUM CLEANER WHEE... Perfect for these industries Words that describe this logo Machinery Products vacuum cleaners vacuum cleaner accessories vacuum cleaner bags vacuum cleaner belts vacuum cleaner brush rolls vacuum cleaner brushes vacuum cleaner This is a brand page for the AVALIR trademark by The Scott Fetzer Company in Westlake, OH, 44145. Write a review about a product or service associated with this AVALIR trademark. Or, contact the owner The Scott Fetzer Company of the AVALIR trademark by filing a request to communicate with the Legal Correspondent for licensing, use, and/or questions related to the AVALIR trademark. On Wednesday, February 01, 2006, a U.S. federal trademark registration was filed for AVALIR by The Scott Fetzer Company, Westlake, OH 44145. The USPTO has given the AVALIR trademark serial number of 76654384. The current federal status of this trademark filing is REGISTERED. The correspondent listed for AVALIR is ROBERT P. DUCATMAN of JONES DAY, NORTH POINT, 901 LAKESIDE AVENUE CLEVELAND, OHIO 44114 . The AVALIR trademark is filed in the category of Machinery Products . The description provided to the USPTO for AVALIR is VACUUM CLEANERS AND VACUUM CLEANER ACCESSORIES, NAMELY, VACUUM CLEANER BAGS, VACUUM CLEANER BELTS, VACUUM CLEANER BRUSH ROLLS, VACUUM CLEANER BRUSHES, VACUUM CLEANER HOSES, VACUUM CLEANER WANDS, VACUUM CLEANER HOSE EXTENSION TUBES, VACUUM CLEANER HANDLE EXTENSIONS, VACUUM CLEANER CREVICE TOOLS, VACUUM CLEANER MOTORS, VACUUM CLEANER TRANSMISSIONS, VACUUM CLEANER HEADLIGHT BULBS, VACUUM CLEANER SWITCHES, VACUUM CLEANER CORDS, VACUUM CLEANER WHEELS, VACUUM CLEANER BUMPERS, VACUUM CLEANER SANDER ATT. Word Mark: AVALIR Status/ Status Date: REGISTERED 9/15/2009 Estimated Renewal Deadline: September 15, 2015 See Trademark Renewal Services Serial Number: 76654384 Filing Date: 2/1/2006 Registration Number: 3683446 Registration Date: 9/15/2009 Goods and Services: VACUUM CLEANERS AND VACUUM CLEANER ACCESSORIES, NAMELY, VACUUM CLEANER BAGS, VACUUM CLEANER BELTS, VACUUM CLEANER BRUSH ROLLS, VACUUM CLEANER BRUSHES, VACUUM CLEANER HOSES, VACUUM CLEANER WANDS, VACUUM CLEANER HOSE EXTENSION TUBES, VACUUM CLEANER HANDLE EXTENSIONS, VACUUM CLEANER CREVICE TOOLS, VACUUM CLEANER MOTORS, VACUUM CLEANER TRANSMISSIONS, VACUUM CLEANER HEADLIGHT BULBS, VACUUM CLEANER SWITCHES, VACUUM CLEANER CORDS, VACUUM CLEANER WHEELS, VACUUM CLEANER BUMPERS, VACUUM CLEANER SANDER ATT Mark Description: NOT AVAILABLE Type Of Mark: TradeMark Published For Opposition Date: 9/12/2006 Last Applicant/Owner: The Scott Fetzer Company Westlake, OH 44145 Why is this contact information displayed? Mark Drawing Code: Drawing with Words in Stylized form Design Search: (NO DATA) Register Type: Principal Disclaimer: (NOT AVAILABLE) Correspondent: ROBERT P. DUCATMAN JONES DAY NORTH POINT 901 LAKESIDE AVENUE CLEVELAND, OHIO 44114 Classification Information International Class Code(s): 007 US Class Code(s): 013, 019, 021, 023, 031, 034, 035 Primary Class: Machines and machine tools; motors and engines (except for land vehicles); machine coupling and transmission components (except for land vehicles); agricultural implements other than hand-operated; incubators for eggs. Class(es) Status: Active First Use Anywhere: NOT PROVIDED First Use In Commerce: NOT PROVIDED |
Post# 303217 , Reply# 24   10/26/2014 at 01:13 (3,441 days old) by chicagomike (Plover, WI)   |   | |
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Post# 303218 , Reply# 25   10/26/2014 at 01:23 (3,441 days old) by djtaylor (Salt Lake City, Utah)   |   | |
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I'm just glad it not YET ANOTHER shade of GRAY!!!! I was hoping for something of a color, say a red or green...blue even, but Basic BLACK will do for now. I'm also glad it's not that Beltless Monster from the Google Patent drawings, that thing was just plain awful. Attached Tool Upright, Quick Eject Nozzle with the push of a botton? No thank you! I like my Kirbys to look like and function like a KIRBY. I'm all for moving forward...and it is about time since the G Series is nearly thirty years old, but that Patent Office design was just too much. I'm glad it's not happening any time soon. And it occures to me that Kirby followed Rainbow and Aerus Lux in the color scheme by going with Basic Black... should Kirby follow or lead??? Just my two cents.
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Post# 303219 , Reply# 26   10/26/2014 at 01:31 (3,441 days old) by godfreys_guy (Melbourne, Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 303220 , Reply# 27   10/26/2014 at 01:35 (3,441 days old) by chicagomike (Plover, WI)   |   | |
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Looks like to me they made the new machine even cheaper with regard to manufactured cost and in the process removed a few ounces of overall weight from the machine...
1. The removal of metal/plastic from the handle equates to less weight 2. I bet the new handle costs less to produce too then the Sentria handle did as there is now less plastic in the handle and the is missing metal in the handle equates to less metal cost and less polishing/buffing cost too... 3. Plus, when the vac bumps into painted walls and gets scuff/dings I believe the black trim will really show off the left over white paint from the wall real well too... At-least the 2 different Sentria color rubber/plastic trim did not glare with scuffs/paint marks on the trim. 4. I am disappointed with my first impression of the new machine but when we see more pics maybe I will change my mind... I cannot wait to tear one apart to see if anything internally changed from the Sentria 2 to this model. Not to mention the name for the machine is old too |
Post# 303221 , Reply# 28   10/26/2014 at 01:36 (3,441 days old) by adambomb (Undisclosed )   |   | |
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Post# 303225 , Reply# 29   10/26/2014 at 02:23 (3,441 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)   |   | |
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... can manufacturers grow some balls like their forefathers did back in the '50's, '60s, and '70s and use some color?
And I mean REAL color. NOT grey. NOT black. NOT white. NOT beige. This isn't just Kirby, either ... this is pretty much the entire world, from fashion textiles to shower curtains to tablecloths to cars to toasters. "Globalization" has blanded-down everything. If you were born after 1980, I can understand your not remembering what it was like living in a world of COLOR and VARIETY. People weren't afraid of it; they embraced it. Chartreuse shag carpeting on one level. Orange shag on the other. Bright florals and paisleys on the furniture and windows. Bold colored appliances. Tupperware that was offered in the flaming colors of October in all its splendor. Even CARS came in aqua ... cherry ... PINK! ... copper ... lime ... and orange. And the interiors were just as bold (my uncle had ORANGE PLAID upholstery in his car when I was little). And everything was different! Today we're all carrying around the same identical iPhones ... tapping away on the same laptops ... driving the same cars ... wearing pretty much the same clothes. A generation ago, everything -- EVERYTHING -- came in countless models and colors. Part of the fun of being a kid was when visiting other people's houses, seeing what their sweepers looked like ... or their TVs ... their stereos ... even their toasters ... because the world was a wild ride of variety. Today? *sigh*. |
Post# 303226 , Reply# 30   10/26/2014 at 02:54 (3,441 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303228 , Reply# 31   10/26/2014 at 03:06 (3,441 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Wow as someone who is really getting into my kirbys i am very dissapointed. All the talk of something new something lighter and its just a facelifted sentria, Which in turn is just a faclifted g3 so here we go for 25 years of the same machine.
If i am a ordanary customer what is the incentive to upgrade from my sentria to this new model? 99 I was seriously going to consider buy a new one when it launched but not any more. I wonder if Kirby and porsche dont share the same boring design team with tracing paper design desks. They are built to last but unless your an enthusiast not much difference to tell them appart for the last 20 years. The excuse of it must look and sound like a Kirby is just that an excuse. The Classic was completely different from the dual santronic and yet still looked and sounded like a Kirby. Same with the G3 vs Legend II . I would have been very dissapointed as a kirby dealer if i Saw this at the launch |
Post# 303230 , Reply# 32   10/26/2014 at 03:18 (3,441 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303231 , Reply# 33   10/26/2014 at 04:08 (3,441 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Haha same old| What a boring life it must be to work for the Kirby design team. :-) |
Post# 303232 , Reply# 34   10/26/2014 at 04:15 (3,441 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303233 , Reply# 35   10/26/2014 at 05:33 (3,441 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 303234 , Reply# 36   10/26/2014 at 05:39 (3,441 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 303236 , Reply# 37   10/26/2014 at 05:46 (3,441 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)   |   | |
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Post# 303237 , Reply# 38   10/26/2014 at 05:50 (3,441 days old) by bnsd60m9200 (Akron OH)   |   | |
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i normally don't post in the "modern" part of the vac world, but after seeing the patent designs kirby filed, which were publically available for a short time; i for one am glad that those designs never made it to light with this new model.
am i disappointed its now a new ground up design change? yes and no. yes because i never like the g series based design. too clunky and thought a powerdrive that kirby invented in 1990 that is still the basic same design, was way too large and cumbersome. they tried to save money making the tech drive unit use the same power from the motor the runs the rug nozzle. the ended up with a bloated machine because the motor isn't mounted on the same axis as power drive axle and needed a complex gearing to power it. a kirby with a motor mounted on the same axis as the brushroll/ axles instead of perpendicular to it would make the unit smaller, and MUCH easier to make a power drive unit that could be done with a belt and turned off with a button. i am however also pleased kirby didnt go thru with the insane radical design changes originally filed with the avalir patent several years ago. imho it would've cheapened the product and honestly, looked clumisily designed like a bison and be too different to deal with for customers who've owned older models of kirby's. i for one am HAPPY to see a brand new handle design, its sleek, and ERGONOMIC. one complaint i've always had about my vintage kirby's from the classic/ heritage era, is the handle bale. the rug nozzle width and very unbalanced heavy weight under the bale, makes it very hard to carry. the plastic handle grips you CAN carry them by, but would fail after many liftings like this. a kirby hasn't been easy to lift since the DS80. this makes it MUCH easier to lift the machine for quick moves, the for going up and down stairs, the typical low handle bail is preferred on any upright. i think the handle design is smart and a very good step forward for the Avalir. i also like the color scheme. ive hated EVERY g series color combination except for the G5. i only liked the g5 because it actually HAS color in it, i don't really care for maroon, but its better than the 50 shades of grey EVERY g series had and the g six was too blah, albiet black blah. this color scheme reminds me a lot of the heritage II though updated smartly and a bag pattern with a fun complex design. though it is stil essentially a sentria, at least that awful name finally died, and they actually put some effort into redesigning the handle for the first time in 25 years, and put some decent effort into the color scheme. the rug shampooer looks interesting and completely different , which really hasn't changed since the d50 much at all. that IS a big change. i personally never used a rug reno even on my old kirby's so i couldn't compare it to the new one. will have to get a look at the attachments before i could put an opinion on them. i always thought the g series attachments were cheap and not as diverse as the older attachments with my classic III/ tradition/ heritage II or older machines. overall i give the new design an a+ for fixing a very big ergonomic problem the g series machines and even 70's/80's kirby's had, and coming up with a new rug reno system and very smart color scheme. i would actually consider getting one of these used off craigslist, an estate sale or thrift store if i ever saw one. i will never buy a kirby new, just too expensive to justify when i can repair them myself and don't need a warranty to repair them, or deal with the DTD demo, even if i called for one. it'll probably be a few years before i could even afford to get one from the used market, so ill enjoy the photos or play with one a collector has till that point. |
Post# 303239 , Reply# 39   10/26/2014 at 06:49 (3,441 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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A+ really? It's a Sentria with a new handle and a different colour bag. What a let down for all you Kirby lovers expecting something radical. Was hardly worth bothering! |
Post# 303241 , Reply# 41   10/26/2014 at 07:04 (3,441 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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The Kirby Heritage red bag was nice too. My parents had one of those :-) |
Post# 303248 , Reply# 42   10/26/2014 at 10:34 (3,441 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)   |   | |
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I'm more upset by the fact that people that said they knew for sure and had insider info were just talking out of their a$$. Big let down but it is what it is and I feel like kirby must not have a ton of funds to invest in a new machine. |
Post# 303249 , Reply# 43   10/26/2014 at 10:39 (3,441 days old) by Marks_here (_._)   |   | |
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Post# 303252 , Reply# 45   10/26/2014 at 10:54 (3,441 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 303253 , Reply# 46   10/26/2014 at 10:56 (3,441 days old) by Marks_here (_._)   |   | |
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Post# 303254 , Reply# 47   10/26/2014 at 10:58 (3,441 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)   |   | |
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It weird that they had the 100th anniversary on the website though. I like kirbys and will still buy this as well. |
Post# 303255 , Reply# 48   10/26/2014 at 10:59 (3,441 days old) by Marks_here (_._)   |   | |
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Post# 303256 , Reply# 49   10/26/2014 at 11:01 (3,441 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 303257 , Reply# 50   10/26/2014 at 11:05 (3,441 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)   |   | |
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I think kirbys are about as heavy as most other uprights out there, usually only a pound or two heavier. But for older folks its def not the easiest, I'll have to make sure to stay in shape when I'm older so I'll always be able to use one |
Post# 303258 , Reply# 51   10/26/2014 at 11:10 (3,441 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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The Kirby is about 22 pound there's many uprights 15 pound and below :-) It's a very heavy machine. |
Post# 303260 , Reply# 52   10/26/2014 at 11:33 (3,441 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 303266 , Reply# 53   10/26/2014 at 11:51 (3,441 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)   |   | |
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I agree there are many vacs under the weight of the kirby, but I guess the vast majority of uprights are close to the weight of a kirby Colby |
Post# 303267 , Reply# 54   10/26/2014 at 12:13 (3,441 days old) by Fandb22 ()   |   | |
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Will this model be on sale/reflected on the website? I'm sure they will want to deplete the inventory of sentria 2 beforehand. Will they be selling sentria 2 at a discount to do so? |
Post# 303271 , Reply# 55   10/26/2014 at 12:40 (3,441 days old) by vacman33 ()   |   | |
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They did put 100th anniversary on it. You can see it on the bottom of the handle.
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Post# 303272 , Reply# 56   10/26/2014 at 12:43 (3,441 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)   |   | |
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In some ways, I was looking forward to a whole new design for the Kirby. On the other hand, I was worried that it would be too light and perhaps not groom the carpet as well. I feel every time there is a complete change in design, there is always a risk that it will not clean as well as the earlier design. Quite frankly, I don't see too many ways for Kirby to improve the G Series vacuum. Granted each model of that series, has had changes that made it better than the previous model. I currently have a G5, Gsix, Ultimate G and a Sentria II. Up until the Sentria II, I thought the color of the G5 was the nicest of the series. I do like the Sentria II color scheme in brown and teal the best.
In ways a 100th anniversary model in black makes since. The first models were black and then they changed to gray and kept gray for a long long time. The g series had too much gray used on too many models as another poster already mentioned....G3 terrible color period, G4 Charcoal was terrific compared to the G3. G5 one of the best colors, Gsix just ok, not enough yellow accents. G7 was a pretty neat color change, but the Diamond series only had a bag change and then we got the first sentria in gray again. That was 3 gray models in a row Kirby are you listening......NO MORE Gray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks for bringing that up Matt, you are absolutely right about more color. I was hoping for an Emerald Green model. Thanks to all who were able to post pictures for the rest of us and I am looking forward to seeing the new shampooer set up. Looks like it has a way to keep the suds from building up and overflowing the tray, which is a good thing. I have used the Kirby to shampoo my carpets several times and it did a great job. As far as a carpet shampooer goes, I like my Electrolux Floor Pro the best.....Clean up is simple and quick as well as the time it takes to use the shampooer... Sincerely, PR-21 Bud Mattingly |
Post# 303274 , Reply# 57   10/26/2014 at 12:52 (3,441 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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I love it even more now looks like the 100th anniversary logo might even light up too I might just have to buy a 3rd for my Ocean Front condo 😛
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Post# 303275 , Reply# 58   10/26/2014 at 13:20 (3,441 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303282 , Reply# 61   10/26/2014 at 15:12 (3,441 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)   |   | |
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Post# 303293 , Reply# 65   10/26/2014 at 16:31 (3,441 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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I am just a vacuum fanatic I must have the newest Kirby been collecting since I was a kid and always buy two when they come out one to use one to keep NIB I have purchased NIB on eBay really cheap .
I got a Sentria II a month ago NIB for $199.00 all attachments plus shampooer and zip brush . I have all the older ones but can't use them in my home as I have Frieze carpet and it's impossible to try to push a non self propelled Kirby through that carpet . I am very excited about the Avalir sure I'd love to see a total redesign one day but I will be pleased for the next 3 years maybe the next one will be it ;) Dan |
Post# 303296 , Reply# 66   10/26/2014 at 17:07 (3,440 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)   |   | |
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Post# 303299 , Reply# 68   10/26/2014 at 18:27 (3,440 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303308 , Reply# 70   10/26/2014 at 19:57 (3,440 days old) by Fandb22 ()   |   | |
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Will this model be on sale/reflected on the website? I'm sure they will want to deplete the inventory of sentria 2 beforehand. Will they be selling sentria 2 at a discount to do so? |
Post# 303311 , Reply# 71   10/26/2014 at 20:07 (3,440 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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All depends when Sentria II are all sold , Kirby isn't going to offer them at a discount because a new model is on its way heck if they told me that I would just wait if I didn't know any better you may be able to negotiate but no one is supposed to know about the new model until the sales man starts selling them .
Could be a few months weeks or could be in a few days ;) Dan |
Post# 303313 , Reply# 72   10/26/2014 at 20:13 (3,440 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 303327 , Reply# 74   10/26/2014 at 21:15 (3,440 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)   |   | |
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I suspected Kirby would use the 100th as a way to help sell the same basic platform one more time. A complete redesign will sell itself, no need to introduce it on the 100th. The name change also helps this warm-over seem fresher. I say sorta because i didn't post this idea before the release.
So don't be too disappointed it may all go to plan yet. For me Kirby's (and Electrolux's) are great machines...but for some reason they don't speak to me as much as other brands out there, except certain models like the Comvac or Heritage II 13". But if i find a G series really cheap i have to snap it up! |
Post# 303334 , Reply# 75   10/26/2014 at 23:51 (3,440 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 303338 , Reply# 76   10/27/2014 at 03:24 (3,440 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)   |   | |
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... the "major" challenge of the Kirby design team is to maintain the look and integrity of the original product while finally solving the problem of how to quickly convert to the attachments.
I don't care how "streamlined" the company thinks the process is, compared to today's cheaper models with onboard attachments, using the hose on the Kirby is a freaking Broadway production. If Kirby could figure out how to make the attachments as convenient as simply pressing a button and -- presto! -- out pops your hose -- like what I was used to with my Fantom Thunder -- they could virtually erase the hesitation to buy by nearly 90% of prospective customers. |
Post# 303347 , Reply# 77   10/27/2014 at 07:31 (3,440 days old) by jkbff (Dickinson, ND)   |   | |
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They probably won't update the site until end of first quarter next year or possibly beginning of the second quarter. They will get rid of the Sentria IIs first before they even update the site.
Also, the distributors that generally get the new machines first are the ones that have sold out of their stock already and order a new order... Kirby is a COD company. They will not let the driver release the order unless it is paid in full and no one is going to sit on their old stock. They will deplete their stock first... It's in their best interest. Now to this... Design... Someone mentioned why make a powercast type machine since Royal has already done that? Well that design, ideally, would be perfect for Kirby... You take Kirby's transmission, put it in a design like the power cast but instead of having a brushroll motor, you have the brush driven off of a Direct Air motor, plumb that motor to exhaust into the bag then have a small clean air motor pulling from the bag, add a diverter valve on the back that connects a hose and the direct air pathway that also disables the direct air motor when the hose is activated and Viola! you have a new Kirby.. Wait... That sounds like Tacony's Tandem-Air... Oh, except Tacony doesn't have Kirby's transmission... Oh well, I guess I'll start pushing this new model as well... :/ |
Post# 303355 , Reply# 78   10/27/2014 at 09:40 (3,440 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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I can't wait to own this . The shampooer is a multi surface cleaner should be interesting .
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Post# 303356 , Reply# 79   10/27/2014 at 09:50 (3,440 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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If you own a Sentria you are gonna gain nothing from buying the Avalir apart from bragging rights! |
Post# 303360 , Reply# 81   10/27/2014 at 10:45 (3,440 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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I'm rarely here in Contemporary, as I'm not interested in modern vacuum cleaners, I like things 1960 or older. The exception is Kirby, but even there, I don't go beyond the Classic 111. Sure I have a G-4 but that's for housecleaning only!
So why am I here now? To put an end to that growing fear that my beloved Kirby was gone forever! After touring the factory in June with those who attended the V.C.C.C. convention, I went into a tailspin! Kirby top brass were closed mouthed on the 'new model,' so, as usual, I let my mind run riot. I have no comments on the new Avalir yet, as pictures posted here are not enough. The one thing they have done is put my fears to rest. My beloved Kirby will basically stay the same. Generally speaking I like what I see, but as to the new features? that remains to be seen. I now know that James B. Kirby is not rolling over in his grave, and that the quality he put into his vacuum cleaners will continue. |
Post# 303368 , Reply# 84   10/27/2014 at 13:07 (3,440 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!?! Of course Kirby wasn't going to go with the concept Avalir! Like I predicted in the past, they stuck with a tried & true design. If the concept Avalir HAD been put into production, it would have been a huge failure for Kirby! It was way too far from the qualities & features Kirby is known for today. Plus I bet there would have been design issues & premature failure of some components & features, especially if there was an electric hose port feature. The bottom line is, for anyone who still has any hope left, the concept Avalir will probably never be put into production, & Kirby will probably remain the same for many years to come. It's like frkirby560 said above "One thing he said that struck me: whatever they do, the Kirby has to look like a Kirby, sound like a Kirby, and function like a Kirby." That's the way it is with DTD brands....Rainbow, Aerus, Tristar, Filter Queen, they're all the same way....at the end of the day, they are known for their design & having certain features, & they can't deviate too far from it or they will alienate & lose customers.
One thing I am surprised nobody has commented on though - notice they ditched the Sentria II mini-emtor & returned back to the Sentria mini-emtor? I wonder if they were getting complaints on performance or some customers didn't like the way the Sentria II mini-emtor looked, or if dealer feedback prompted them to switch back to the Sentria mini-emtor. Either way, would be interesting to hear what a Kirby dealer thinks, if there is one on this board. One feature I would like to see implemented on the next Kirby though....it would be nice to see them incorporate the direct-drive brushroll that Bison had used. I think if Kirby made the parts out of all-metal instead of some parts being plastic like Bison did, & with some minor modifications, Kirby could make the design work & be reliable. This would also be key to simplifying attachment use down the road - somehow or another, they are going to have to remove the belt or change where it's located, if they want to make a hose fit on like a Royal, in the sense that you remove a cap & insert the hose, except removing the belt on a Royal to use the hose is it's achilles heel. Either way, whether you like it or not, this is what we're stuck with for the next 3 to 4 years. I personally like it, & think it's the most stylish Kirby ever produced, besides the G4 & G6, & I like the addition of the handle built into the bag arm, that will make it easier for some people to carry up stairs. Rob |
Post# 303374 , Reply# 86   10/27/2014 at 13:45 (3,440 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303393 , Reply# 87   10/27/2014 at 15:10 (3,440 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)   |   | |
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This Kirby is a handsome machine with the contrasting and Classic chrome and black. I really like the black hose and attchments 😄 |
Post# 303394 , Reply# 88   10/27/2014 at 15:15 (3,440 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 303395 , Reply# 89   10/27/2014 at 15:18 (3,440 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303406 , Reply# 90   10/27/2014 at 16:51 (3,440 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Brochure and pics Kirby never goes back to old parts that old emptor mold has been destroyed.
They made perfect even better I can't wait to own this . Dan |
Post# 303407 , Reply# 91   10/27/2014 at 17:03 (3,439 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303423 , Reply# 92   10/27/2014 at 18:21 (3,439 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 303424 , Reply# 93   10/27/2014 at 18:30 (3,439 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 303429 , Reply# 96   10/27/2014 at 19:14 (3,439 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 303431 , Reply# 97   10/27/2014 at 20:03 (3,439 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Now that I've seen the pictures you posted, I convirme it. I'm very pleased with the design, but I have a question if it's not too soon to answer. What is the tool that looks like a paint roller? A revision of the Handi-Waxer?
I'm so glad the new Kirby looks like a Kirby. Now I want to see a demo. Too bad my housemate would never let me live it down if I bought one. But who knows, after the hype dies down, I just might get one next year. Thanks for sharing, I don't care what the nay sayers grumble about, I'm very happy with the Avalir, well worth waiting for. Alex Taber |
Post# 303432 , Reply# 98   10/27/2014 at 20:08 (3,439 days old) by Marks_here (_._)   |   | |
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Post# 303445 , Reply# 99   10/27/2014 at 20:37 (3,439 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 303447 , Reply# 100   10/27/2014 at 20:43 (3,439 days old) by sonnyndad ()   |   | |
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Does have that effect on people! Especially collectors. I am really starting to like the Avalir. It reminds me of the 505. |
Post# 303451 , Reply# 101   10/27/2014 at 21:21 (3,439 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 303458 , Reply# 102   10/27/2014 at 22:09 (3,439 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 303473 , Reply# 105   10/28/2014 at 04:26 (3,439 days old) by spiraclean (UK)   |   | |
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Yeah, I'll admit to being a little disappointed that there isn't a completely new model, especially with all the anticipation and hype in the run up to the launch. I think those patents that surfaced some time ago may have contributed to this... it's easy to forget that a patent is often just a way for a manufacturer to "bagsie" an idea or concept, while not necessarily committing to actually putting it into production any time soon, if at all.
That said, the G series always was and still is a good vacuum. For all its downsides (and every cleaner has them), it does have a good track record for durability and reliability. It's fully repairable in the event something goes wrong, and it definitely cleans well. A long running design doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, because it gives a product the opportunity to evolve, work out any bugs and gain refinements. These are all attributes we tend to criticise other brands for NOT having, and looking at it that way I'm going to cut Kirby a little slack. Had they instead launched a plastic "me too" product with a bagless cyclone on the front and a half-assed set of tools on board, then we'd really have something to complain about. I do like what they've done with the Avalir. The colour, handle design and bag graphics look great, a vast improvement on the Sentria which I disliked from day one. Really pleased to see the improvements to the shampooer, and look forward to seeing how it performs on hard floors. Once these start filtering through to the used market, at a sensible price, I might have to pick one up because this is the first new Kirby that has really caught my eye for a long time. |
Post# 303480 , Reply# 106   10/28/2014 at 07:27 (3,439 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 303485 , Reply# 109   10/28/2014 at 08:44 (3,439 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 303506 , Reply# 112   10/28/2014 at 12:21 (3,439 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 303514 , Reply# 115   10/28/2014 at 14:59 (3,439 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Those patents you speak about, I saw them back in 2009 or 10, and that was when the early fears began. Those fears reapeared as we took the factory tour and Kirby top brass was very tight lipped. As I stated in another post, my immagination has run riot ever since I got home from the convention! I'm happy to know my beloved Kirby is well, a Kirby!
As for the patents, have you any idea where I can locate them? If possible post them for us, as I recall, they were rather frightening, and looked nothing like the Kirby I know. Praise Kirby for rejecting them, they were rather awfull! Alex Taber. |
Post# 303515 , Reply# 116   10/28/2014 at 15:10 (3,439 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303516 , Reply# 117   10/28/2014 at 15:13 (3,439 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303517 , Reply# 118   10/28/2014 at 15:48 (3,439 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 303518 , Reply# 119   10/28/2014 at 15:52 (3,439 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303527 , Reply# 120   10/28/2014 at 16:43 (3,439 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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Dug up this sketch from postings a few years back. This was what we were expecting in the Avalir. :-(
Fan top exhaust, Bag centered behind the handle, Quick Change hose connection and possibly a gear driven brushroll. All relatively easy to re-engineer keeping the deservedly famous powerplant. Would have been a huge improvement over the bulky heavy unbalanced machine Kirby has simply up-dated with colour and a stupid handle. I think Kirby thought the handle would make the machine look 'lighter' but instead it looks inadequate to the task and highlights the cumbersome aged design. My 2 cents.
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RUBE GOLDBERG LIVES !!! |
Post# 303533 , Reply# 122   10/28/2014 at 16:59 (3,438 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303539 , Reply# 123   10/28/2014 at 17:33 (3,438 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)   |   | |
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"What seems like a deviation from that theory is that for several times, they've rated the Miele Twist above the Kirby. I have a Miele Cat and Dog, and I rarely use it because that thing is a beast--heavier than any Kirby I have, more expensive to maintain, harder to push, and equipped with limited attachments."
OMG YES!!! I couldn't believe how bulky, heavy, and cumbersome the Miele twist felt! |
Post# 303541 , Reply# 124   10/28/2014 at 18:01 (3,438 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Happy to say that was not it, what I saw was Kirby in Dyson mode, and sort of a lift away thing. The design I saw was nothing like a Kirby, and it really had me biting my nails.
This was a multie page patent in idea form with tank type, and shampooer modes. I thought, "has the Kirby company lost it's mind?" what I saw was truely frightening! I was working in the hotel from Hell, and have no idea who shared it with us, but I think the post was "the Kirby of tomorrow!" Thank God, that thing is not the new Avalir. On another note, glad to know you're doing better. Alex Taber. |
Post# 303543 , Reply# 125   10/28/2014 at 18:11 (3,438 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 303547 , Reply# 126   10/28/2014 at 18:38 (3,438 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 303556 , Reply# 127   10/28/2014 at 20:14 (3,438 days old) by adiosTor3ador ()   |   | |
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Really wants to purchase it but I have a G4... Perhaps just as part of the collection... |
Post# 303558 , Reply# 128   10/28/2014 at 20:33 (3,438 days old) by sonnyndad ()   |   | |
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And I have almost every model from the 508 to the Sentria! |
Post# 303561 , Reply# 129   10/28/2014 at 21:14 (3,438 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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I appreciate an American company which can last for 100 years.Do I bash? Nope!
I, too, was glad to stand in that factory this past Summer, amid "rumblings" about the anniversary. We were shipped out of there quickly, but because of several reasons, (not going there). Michael: you are right. Of course, they're not going to reinvent the wheel. They'll trim some materials here and there, (handle, etc) to make it lighter, sleeker, etc. Matt: I agree. Nobody "colors' vacs anymore like they used to. Look at MY favorite cleaner.... they had colorists whose job WAS to make all of those wonderful, sometimes crazy colors.Out of respect to all of "ye" and so as to not to "Bogart" this thead, I'm not mentioning my stellar vac name (not even in lower case), but anyone who knows me knows...... How many things can one change? At times, companies will cheapen down the tools bigtime (yes, they have), silver/black, etc are the sleek new 'sexy colors". I'm happy for all of you who are glad Kirby kept the things you like, and am sorry for you who are disappointed. Nothing can/will make EVERYONE happy.There ARE those who love Kirby, and, then there are the "others". Guess I'M one of the "others". That's ok, too. I WILL say, "Happy Birthday, Kirby" once again. And, didn't it look like a really SWANKY party? |
Post# 303567 , Reply# 130   10/28/2014 at 21:55 (3,438 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)   |   | |
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Post# 303572 , Reply# 131   10/28/2014 at 22:07 (3,438 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 303579 , Reply# 132   10/28/2014 at 22:21 (3,438 days old) by penie396 ()   |   | |
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Post# 303581 , Reply# 133   10/28/2014 at 22:36 (3,438 days old) by sonnyndad ()   |   | |
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For your approval of my collection, Super-Sweeper! Maybe I should moove that 13" HII head now that the word's out. Someone will track me down! |
Post# 303588 , Reply# 134   10/29/2014 at 00:39 (3,438 days old) by Bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)   |   | |
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I love the new color scheme of the new Kirby Avalir!! It's beautiful in my eyes and I'd love to have one! I really do wish they would bring back the 2 speed switch like my on Diamond Edition. I love that I can vacuum wall to wall carpet and then switch to low to deep clean the small door mat that's by the front door without needing to get out the central vac or an Electrolux. If I tried to clean it on normal speed it would get sucked up into the nozzle or I'd have to stand over the mat in some awkward position to vacuum it while praying it doesn't get jammed.
The new rug/floor renovator looks very nice too. I don't care much for the previous rug renovator, I prefer to use a Hoover Stam Vac, but the ability to clean bare floors is a wonderful new feature. The standard Kirby tools are nice and well made but I wish the bare floor tool was made larger, or at least have a wider tool available for purchase. I've always though Kirby should include the bare floor "pad" that snaps on to the bottom of the rug nozzle as a standard attachment, it does a reasonable job and it elimates the worry of scratching wood floors with the rug nozzle. I can't justify purchasing a new Avalir just based on the new color or the improved rug renovator, but I will say no matter what vacuum I use I don't ever think my carpets are completely clean unless they are vacuumed with a Kirby. I could never have large area rugs or wall to wall carpet in my house and not own a Kirby, it just wouldn't end well for the carpets... |
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Post# 303623 , Reply# 136   10/29/2014 at 12:14 (3,438 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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The same way about the speed switch from the Diamond edition but that will not be back until the new model arrives that will be finger tip access . They had many complaints about that switch as people would turn it to low and not realize it then wonder why the Kirby wasn't cleaning as it should so the next model the Sentria is was removed .
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Post# 303661 , Reply# 138   10/29/2014 at 17:30 (3,437 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Bingo!
That was what I saw, and came really unglued at the thought that my beloved Kirby would be gone forever. Looking at it now, I'm not as shocked as I was, but not to have some sort of Sani, or mini emp-tor would be the unthinkable! Actually, the main machine wouldn't be such a departure, except for the emp-tor, and I don't see the toe-touch- feature either. No cord hooks tells me, a retractable cord. The patent date of October 17, 2006 must be the date filed, but I saw this in 2009. All in all, it's not that bad. However, to a die hard Kirby lover, it would take time to adjust. So glad the Avalir stuck with the tried and true. Just my opion. For what it's worth! Alex Taber |
Post# 303662 , Reply# 139   10/29/2014 at 17:55 (3,437 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 303663 , Reply# 140   10/29/2014 at 17:55 (3,437 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303671 , Reply# 142   10/29/2014 at 18:51 (3,437 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Having this in the back of my mind, but fortunately, no recolection of the what it looked like, had me going crazy. I recall thinking "if that monstrosity I saw in the V.C.C.C. forum in 09 is the new Kirby, I'm in big trouble!"
I hid it well on the factory tour, but was terrorfied. No commnts from Kirby top brass, or seeing the lower section of the factory had me sweating. The last months were brutal, the not knowing, the waiting, and my mind in overdrive. My housemate finally asked "why is a new vacuum cleaner making you crazy?" I couldn't say what I thought. "That the Kirby as I know it is gone," as he's not interested in vacuum cleaners. I was resigned to the fact that my Classic 111, and G-4 were my last Kirby's. Then I saw the Avalir, and breathed a sigh of relief. But still didn't believe it, thought this was a hoax, computer genorated pictures, and actually sent a message to Morgan to confirm that the Avalir was the new Kirby. Now it seems so stupid, waisting years brooding over, as my housemate said, "a vacuum cleaner." But Kirby, like my Electrolux LX, gets in the blood. Only now can I breathe a sigh of relief. Alex Taber. |
Post# 303676 , Reply# 144   10/29/2014 at 19:57 (3,437 days old) by 2011hoover700 (owosso michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 303686 , Reply# 145   10/29/2014 at 22:12 (3,437 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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As far as I recall the brushroll is a new design. It's made by the Cleveland Wood Products, a division of Scott & Fetzer.
When we were there for the convention saw that brushroll, and they made a joke about it, as we were not supposed to see it. C.W.P. also makes the bags, that we did not see. We were told this new Kirby has been in the planning stage for 5 years, and C.W.P. worked hand in hand with the Kirby company. That's all I know, but yes it is a new design. Alex Taber. |
Post# 303696 , Reply# 146   10/30/2014 at 02:35 (3,437 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303737 , Reply# 147   10/30/2014 at 14:49 (3,437 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Reply 137, shows the 'Kirby of the future.' (God, I hope not!)
So here's the question. First drawing is the upright design with replacement bag for handvac unit, which I actually like, Then the 'power nozzle with hose, and cord. Why? what's the point? if the upright already has a brushroll, hopefully with Triple Cousion Vibration, Safty Switch, and so on, isn't the p.n. utterly useless? And I have to admit the hose set up isn't that bad, or at least tolerable! but as I said earlier, no mini-em-tor? I'd be very dissapointed with that change! I know nothing of the Avalir other than the few pictures I've seen here, so it's too soon to judge one way or another. However, as listed in an other of my posts, I like what little I see, but tell me please, what is that paint roller thing? a waxer, or part of that new tile cleaner set up? Certainly it's too early for data on the Kirby homepage. The Avalir hasn't made it there yet. As for my getting one? I'd love it, but living on a fixed income, not likely. For me, the great thing is that the new design is NOT what's in the patent. And hopefully never will be. At least not in my lifetime! Alex Taber. |
Post# 303747 , Reply# 148   10/30/2014 at 15:15 (3,437 days old) by vintagevaclover (Athens, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 303755 , Reply# 150   10/30/2014 at 17:02 (3,436 days old) by Sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO)   |   | |
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I use Kirby machines all the time and love them. I'm glad they didn't make the new Kirby into a machine that isn't really a Kirby. Two things I wish Kirby would do, and apparently haven't in this new model, are to sound-insulate the motor unit a lot better and to produce a really good microfiber wood and marble floor tool. I think those two things would make people more willing to use that hose that makes the Kirby so versatile. Doesn't seem like either should be that difficult.
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Post# 303783 , Reply# 152   10/30/2014 at 19:48 (3,436 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Go to reply 137. Seems that the Kirby has the main upright nozzle AND a power nozzel, why? Hose, wands and surface floor tool have gone under beds for decades!
Only if the idea was one or the other! A mini power nozzle on the end of a hose was a great idea, remember the turbo tool? but an electric hose/power nozzle and Triple coution Vibration seems a bit of overkill! Actually it's a mute point, the thing in that patend was NOT used, so no problem. I only thought it looked a bit odd. |
Post# 303786 , Reply# 153   10/30/2014 at 19:56 (3,436 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 303807 , Reply# 154   10/30/2014 at 21:09 (3,436 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 303820 , Reply# 155   10/30/2014 at 21:48 (3,436 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 303822 , Reply# 156   10/30/2014 at 21:57 (3,436 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 303824 , Reply# 157   10/30/2014 at 22:18 (3,436 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 303848 , Reply# 160   10/31/2014 at 07:14 (3,436 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 303852 , Reply# 161   10/31/2014 at 09:22 (3,436 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)   |   | |
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When do you think someone could actually purchase a new Kirby Avalir? How long do you think the 100th Anniversary logo will remain on the machine? Just wondering what everybody thinks? |
Post# 303853 , Reply# 162   10/31/2014 at 09:29 (3,436 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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That's not a power nozzle in the patent drawing. If you read the description, that's the shampooer. That's why the hose has a cord on the outside, to power the motor that turns the shampooer brush. Having the shampooer on the end of the hose/wand does two things: Keeps the suds away from the rear wheels, where it can get into the transmission's gearing as well as allow for shampooing under things. The user controls the suds flow at the handle end of the hose.
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Post# 303903 , Reply# 163   10/31/2014 at 17:41 (3,435 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan )   |   | |
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Post# 303904 , Reply# 164   10/31/2014 at 17:47 (3,435 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)   |   | |
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Thanks for the info, Miskini!! |
Post# 303907 , Reply# 165   10/31/2014 at 17:50 (3,435 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan )   |   | |
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Post# 303917 , Reply# 166   10/31/2014 at 18:35 (3,435 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303937 , Reply# 167   11/1/2014 at 00:48 (3,435 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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Kirbys aren't heavy to me,either,but for some folks-yes. |
Post# 303943 , Reply# 168   11/1/2014 at 02:09 (3,435 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Does anyone else think this is a Plan B machine because of problems with the newer model? I just dont see how they can spend all this time and only come up with a new shampoer. I think something went wrong and this was the back up plan. In which case some were at Kirby they are working very hard to finish the new one.I really hope this is the case.
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Post# 303947 , Reply# 169   11/1/2014 at 02:46 (3,435 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 303952 , Reply# 170   11/1/2014 at 04:46 (3,435 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan )   |   | |
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Post# 303954 , Reply# 171   11/1/2014 at 06:22 (3,435 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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I hope Kirby sticks with what they now have-The machines in the patent drawings just look to kludged and Rube Goldberg to me.I admire Kirby for sticking with what really works. |
Post# 303955 , Reply# 172   11/1/2014 at 06:31 (3,435 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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I have worked full time in R&D for a few years and Now still do it on a consulting level. It may not even be a design of machine fault but a tooling issue. The amount of times I have worked on projects that have been delayed because of a tooling issue I cannot even count. I remember once a project been delayed for 3 years because of tooling issues. It sounds ridiculous but it happens more often than you think.
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Post# 303959 , Reply# 173   11/1/2014 at 07:09 (3,435 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 303963 , Reply# 174   11/1/2014 at 08:34 (3,435 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)   |   | |
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Dan, Not familiar with the 3G Series. What were the "tons of problems" that Kirby had with the it's 3G's? |
Post# 303964 , Reply# 175   11/1/2014 at 08:41 (3,435 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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You're right....this could very well indeed be the case. But why would they introduce the Avalir then?? The Sentria II was only recently introduced, they could have just put a 100th Anniversary label on the Sentria II & move on. Seems rather hasty of Kirby to release a new model just for their anniversary. I just personally hope the concept Avalir never sees the light of day....it's too "weird" & far-out for Kirby in terms of design.
Kirbyloverdan - Ok, now this is the second time you have claimed the concept Kirby is out & being tested. Where is your proof?? I personally think you don't know what you're talking about & making things up! Show us some actual PROOF that what you say is true! Rob |
Post# 303968 , Reply# 176   11/1/2014 at 09:29 (3,435 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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The G3 was the first G series Kirby. They were tereible by Kirby standards. The motors burnt out. The main motor plate bearing housing would shatter if you used it with the hose for too long. The powerdrives would pack up for refusing to go into neautral.The back wheel rubbers would shredd.
I have also gotten the distinct impression that this was not the machine that dealers were expecting. I was told on good authority that the new unit was lighter with major changes. When i called up my contact he just said yep sometimes things happen. If you look at the patents online you will get a good idea of what the prototype looks like and its not what was launched. You dont file patents for fun its expensive hugely time consuming. Their is a new kirby out there but its been held back for what ever reason. We can just wait and see |
Post# 303986 , Reply# 179   11/1/2014 at 11:54 (3,435 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)   |   | |
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I forgot the rubber tread on rear wheels and power drive that needed to be improved and were.But I would not add motors to the list.I wonder if there was more trouble with overseas voltage than in US? |
Post# 304003 , Reply# 180   11/1/2014 at 13:00 (3,435 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Post# 304007 , Reply# 181   11/1/2014 at 13:07 (3,435 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Post# 304010 , Reply# 182   11/1/2014 at 13:24 (3,435 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 304116 , Reply# 184   11/2/2014 at 01:36 (3,434 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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RugSucker-Us Rube Goldberg fans have to stick together! |
Post# 304205 , Reply# 186   11/2/2014 at 11:36 (3,434 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 304258 , Reply# 188   11/2/2014 at 16:37 (3,433 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)   |   | |
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Post# 304322 , Reply# 189   11/3/2014 at 04:32 (3,433 days old) by godfreys_guy (Melbourne, Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 304580 , Reply# 191   11/4/2014 at 06:57 (3,432 days old) by jscarlato (Clairton, PA)   |   | |
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Well, Rex, there was the Classic III, then the Heritage I and the Heritage II, then the Legend I and the Legend II (which is one of my favorites), then the Sentria I and the Sentria II, why not the Avalir I and the Avalir II? One can only wonder--and wait. Joe |
Post# 304746 , Reply# 192   11/5/2014 at 02:42 (3,431 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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Already the Avalir "1" is on my want list-figure all I have to do is wait-the Kirby guy will call me when they come in.Have bought a few Kirbys from him-he is from Raleigh. |
Post# 305001 , Reply# 193   11/6/2014 at 04:23 (3,430 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)   |   | |
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How does the hose suction of this new Kirby compare with the last few models? |
Post# 305081 , Reply# 194   11/6/2014 at 19:36 (3,429 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 306006 , Reply# 195   11/12/2014 at 23:34 (3,423 days old) by kra ()   |   | |
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I like it alot! |
Post# 306055 , Reply# 196   11/13/2014 at 14:49 (3,423 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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I must admit, I was disappointed with Kirby's centennial machine. I was expecting something more revolutionary. Aside from the new shampooer and handle, it's nothing more than a warmed-over Generation series. What I don't understand (and probably never will) is why in 2014 Kirby still has the power switch in the base of the unit when some of their cleaners DID have a switch in the handle prior to WWII (the R series). It's an antiquated design, something I had hoped would change with the Avalir. But then, this is a company that didn't offer disposable bags until 1979. A carbon copy of the prototype drawings may have been too much of a shock to Kirby purists, but Kirby has gotten more mileage out of the Generation series body than any prior series, and a transitional machine would've been a welcome change.
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Post# 306077 , Reply# 198   11/13/2014 at 16:48 (3,422 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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Well, it's a matter of interpretation but personally I feel a toe touch on/off switch on an upright is antiquated. And while they're at it, they could move the Tech Drive control to the handle as well. OR, offer a lighter weight upright with a 12 inch nozzle that doesn't NEED tech-drive. As someone astutely pointed out, Kirbys have been bulky ever since 1970 and the Tech-Drive certainly doesn't help.
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Post# 306090 , Reply# 199   11/13/2014 at 18:45 (3,422 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)   |   | |
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Don't buy one. Problem solved. |
Post# 306096 , Reply# 200   11/13/2014 at 19:42 (3,422 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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I have a Kirby G3 and a Sentria I. The G3 is pretty good but the Sentria is a BEAST. Probably due to the stiffer brushroll in the Sentria. I have never had a vacuum cleaner come close to that Sentria when it comes to carpet cleaning. The new Kirby seen in the drawings will not be released until all the bugs are worked out and it can perform as well or better than the Sentria I or II, and that is probably why the Avalir was released instead.
I agree with Harley - The power switch not only needs to be located on the powerplant for ease of operation, it is necessary because when the machine converts to canister mode, the long handle is removed completely. |
Post# 306097 , Reply# 201   11/13/2014 at 19:43 (3,422 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)   |   | |
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Post# 306107 , Reply# 203   11/13/2014 at 20:15 (3,422 days old) by jkbff (Dickinson, ND)   |   | |
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Why on earth would you have a power switch on the handle when all of the other controls are on the base controlled by your foot?
You walk up to the vac, unwrap the cord, plug it in, grab the handle, lower the head to the proper height, put the transmission in gear, hit the power and go.... All in one fluid motion with your dominant foot... I watch people using our Riccars, you have to make a conscious effort to either release the handle, flip switch with your thumb or bend down and twist the height on the other side... I know its an old design, but it works well. It is a fluid motion.. I don't think there is any other upright that the user can adjust or manipulate in the same fluid motion. Now, the PITA is the nozzle with having to take it off and put the hose on etc. That is the antiquated design that needs to be changed or eliminate the nozzle removal and make a shoulder vac that is separate... I just wished they'd add the rug/carpet switch back.. :( |
Post# 306154 , Reply# 206   11/14/2014 at 11:49 (3,422 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 312804 , Reply# 210   1/21/2015 at 11:24 (3,354 days old) by filterqueenman (Park City UT)   |   | |
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Was at the Home and Garden show this past weekend and the local dealer had one. He was also selling off his last 3 Sentria II he had at a "show price" of 999. He then was taking appointments for in home demo of the Avalir that he said he would have by months end. Would not quote a price on the Avalir.
Two things I really liked was: 1. The new carrying handle at the bottom is a great work in physics as it has about a 10 degree concave to it so it is much better balanced to carry the machine up stairs! 2. LED light is very, very bright
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Post# 312894 , Reply# 211   1/22/2015 at 03:26 (3,353 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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Put down a deposit on mine then prepaid for it.Now the dealer is going to call me at any time to bring my Avalir to me.He was saying I was going to be his first Avalir customer. |
Post# 312899 , Reply# 212   1/22/2015 at 06:21 (3,353 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Not to be nit-picky, but isn't it meant to be the other way around? Ie. hit the power, lower the head, put the transmission in gear and go?
I like the Kirby controls being all in one place. It makes so much sense, like with the Miele S7 with all the controls on the handle. It's tidy and efficient.
Plus, as others have mentioned, if the switch was in the handle, there would have to be wires with connection points to the base (like how a PN connects to a wand on a cylinder/canister) which would have to disconnect in order to convert the machine to a handheld or cylinder set up. But then once you remove the handle, you wouldn't be able to turn the machine on, so you'd have to include a remote hose and a handheld attachment with controls on it. This is all adding extra weight and cost to an already heavy and expensive machine, whilst also creating more things to potentially go wrong with it. |
Post# 312902 , Reply# 213   1/22/2015 at 06:50 (3,353 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 312905 , Reply# 214   1/22/2015 at 06:57 (3,353 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 312910 , Reply# 215   1/22/2015 at 09:06 (3,353 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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