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Post# 303169   10/25/2014 at 20:28 (3,441 days old) by adambomb (Undisclosed )        



Post# 303170 , Reply# 1   10/25/2014 at 20:32 (3,441 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
OMFG

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That is too dang awesome! I knew you were going to go out with a bang! You wouldn't leave the community without blowing us all away! laughing This is why you're my favorite person.


Post# 303172 , Reply# 2   10/25/2014 at 20:34 (3,441 days old) by adambomb (Undisclosed )        



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Post# 303174 , Reply# 3   10/25/2014 at 20:40 (3,441 days old) by kirbyduh (Kentucky )        
Are there any new features?

What are the new features? It looks like a Sentria with a different handle... I'm really hoping they have some neat new features. The shampooer looks different and I like the color scheme.

Post# 303176 , Reply# 4   10/25/2014 at 20:41 (3,441 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
it's

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an updated Heritage II


Post# 303177 , Reply# 5   10/25/2014 at 20:45 (3,441 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
Oops

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I guess it's not, just the same color scheme as a HII.


Post# 303178 , Reply# 6   10/25/2014 at 20:55 (3,441 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        

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Looks nice, but guess we're outta luck for a totally different Kirby. Just another boring color scheme change.

Rob


Post# 303179 , Reply# 7   10/25/2014 at 20:55 (3,441 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        
OMG is right

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I held my breath waiting for that??!! It still looks the same as the Sentria II different colour scheme of course, still won't work with my carpets so no love lost here😁

Post# 303180 , Reply# 8   10/25/2014 at 20:57 (3,441 days old) by adambomb (Undisclosed )        

Disappointment of the century! I'm out guys Peace!!

Post# 303181 , Reply# 9   10/25/2014 at 20:57 (3,441 days old) by Thunderhexed (Edmond, OK)        
I think...

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It's beautiful! Must have!

Post# 303182 , Reply# 10   10/25/2014 at 20:58 (3,441 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        

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Thanks Adams!!! You're still the bomb!!! 😃

Post# 303184 , Reply# 11   10/25/2014 at 21:07 (3,441 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
What are the odds

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that this is just a teaser of what's to come?


Post# 303186 , Reply# 12   10/25/2014 at 21:27 (3,441 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
Wow! A shock to me!

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Based on the publicity it was getting, I was expecting something a little more revolutionary! Maybe the tools have been revamped? The only thing that really looks different is the handle. I must admit, I do like the color scheme. Maybe they are doing small incrument improvements, and saving the new model for the REAL anniversary?

Post# 303188 , Reply# 13   10/25/2014 at 21:44 (3,441 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Thanks Adam

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Just an improved shampooer that's it :(
Well I still will buy two .

Dan


Post# 303189 , Reply# 14   10/25/2014 at 22:13 (3,441 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Yay! Another re-color! 


Post# 303190 , Reply# 15   10/25/2014 at 22:21 (3,441 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)        

It all adds up.

When we were at Kirby this summer, the head engineer who gave the tour talked about design issues. One thing he said that struck me: whatever they do, the Kirby has to look like a Kirby, sound like a Kirby, and function like a Kirby.
Honestly I would have been surprised with some radical break in the basic design.

Look if someone wants a completely different approach to a vacuum cleaner, there are plenty of brands with their own identity, sort of. But some people will want a Kirby; and they have a base that is loyal. And there are many home situations where a Kirby provides an excellent cleaning system. To be sure lots of people buy a Kirby and then dump it for another machine soon after; it didn't suit them or their needs. But there are all kinds of people who like them, enjoy using them, like the attachments and feel like they're getting their money's worth in the long run. Otherwise Kirby would not be still in business as it's own company instead of being sold to somebody else to produce hybrid generic sort of non descript mostly plastic tools on board vacuum cleaners. But if that's what somebody really wants, there are plenty of colors to choose from out there at all kinds of price points. And really, most of them basically clean OK.

I would have been surprised if Kirby tried to replicate something you could find in a big discount store. Why bother with that?

I think it looks cool; I am interested to see what they did with the attachments and especially what the guys at the brush roll factory hinted about --some sort of floor scrubber/ hard floor cleaner??? It'll be interesting to see what's actually on this new machine.

But in the end, a Kirby is going to be...well, a Kirby! :)


Post# 303194 , Reply# 16   10/25/2014 at 22:34 (3,441 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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It's simply the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.....YEAH!!! 

 

I'm cuckoo for Kirby!!!w4


Post# 303202 , Reply# 17   10/25/2014 at 23:37 (3,441 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

I'm sure kirbyloverdan is bent out of shape. Once again he didn't get his totally redesigned Kirby. For the rest of us loyal and true customers we have been spared any huge disapointments with the Kirby. The tried and true triumphs again.


Post# 303206 , Reply# 18   10/25/2014 at 23:55 (3,441 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Yeah Steve but your 100% WRONG ...

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I'm so bent outta shape that I'm buying two of the brand new Avalirs .
I don't care what Kirby does I will always love and buy EVERY new Kirby that's released ;)
How many are you gonna buy ?

Dan


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Post# 303207 , Reply# 19   10/25/2014 at 23:56 (3,441 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
oh...

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Well that's a disappointment i was seriously expecting something revolutionary for Kirby. I was prepared to replace my G6 with the new model but this....is just a huge let down. Don't get me wrong i'm sure it's a wonderful machine but it's just nothing like what was rumored and expected. Thanks for posting those Pictures adam.

Post# 303209 , Reply# 20   10/25/2014 at 23:59 (3,441 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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Honestly, I wasn't a huge fan of the Sentria II color scheme. I've recently come to appreciate some aspects of it, but I was really hoping whatever the next model was wasn't going to look anything more radical than that. The Availar shampooer looks interesting, but seriously, that new bag and black ascents are NOT my style. It doesn't even look contemporary. No offense to those who like it, but the pattern reminds me of some sort of trying-to-be-fashionable dog purse. It looks like they are trying to be retro with the large central Kirby logo. It could have looked okay, but that pattern.....

 

I was really considering buying a new redesigned Kirby if they had released one. For me, it looks like the Ultimate G was just as the name suggests: the "ultimate" Kirby. I don't think Kirby is going to make anything better than that.




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Post# 303214 , Reply# 21   10/26/2014 at 00:25 (3,441 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        

I'm with you Nathaniel...oh well, kinda sad really. Wait 6 mos. and they'll be on Ebay and Craigslist for a fraction of the cost. I recently saw a Sentria II with everything go for $400.00, sad affair for the poor guys still schlepping around trying to sell what's left. I would've thought they could've least figured out how to attach a hose without removing the head, guess it just wasn't in the cards.

Post# 303215 , Reply# 22   10/26/2014 at 00:43 (3,441 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
Well.... Nothing new there then....

So other than the handle and the shampooer that's basically the same machine as my 2006 Sentria......
Guess they will be around £300 in a year or so on Ebay....
Seamus


Post# 303216 , Reply# 23   10/26/2014 at 01:07 (3,441 days old) by chicagomike (Plover, WI)        

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Post# 303217 , Reply# 24   10/26/2014 at 01:13 (3,441 days old) by chicagomike (Plover, WI)        
Rug Doctor Mighty Pro X3 vs. Kirby Avalir?

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Post# 303218 , Reply# 25   10/26/2014 at 01:23 (3,441 days old) by djtaylor (Salt Lake City, Utah)        
No more gray

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I'm just glad it not YET ANOTHER shade of GRAY!!!! I was hoping for something of a color, say a red or green...blue even, but Basic BLACK will do for now. I'm also glad it's not that Beltless Monster from the Google Patent drawings, that thing was just plain awful. Attached Tool Upright, Quick Eject Nozzle with the push of a botton? No thank you! I like my Kirbys to look like and function like a KIRBY. I'm all for moving forward...and it is about time since the G Series is nearly thirty years old, but that Patent Office design was just too much. I'm glad it's not happening any time soon. And it occures to me that Kirby followed Rainbow and Aerus Lux in the color scheme by going with Basic Black... should Kirby follow or lead??? Just my two cents.

Post# 303219 , Reply# 26   10/26/2014 at 01:31 (3,441 days old) by godfreys_guy (Melbourne, Australia)        
anyone, any shampooer pics?

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Seems like the biggest change and no pics :(

Post# 303220 , Reply# 27   10/26/2014 at 01:35 (3,441 days old) by chicagomike (Plover, WI)        

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Looks like to me they made the new machine even cheaper with regard to manufactured cost and in the process removed a few ounces of overall weight from the machine...
1. The removal of metal/plastic from the handle equates to less weight
2. I bet the new handle costs less to produce too then the Sentria handle did as there is now less plastic in the handle and the is missing metal in the handle equates to less metal cost and less polishing/buffing cost too...
3. Plus, when the vac bumps into painted walls and gets scuff/dings I believe the black trim will really show off the left over white paint from the wall real well too... At-least the 2 different Sentria color rubber/plastic trim did not glare with scuffs/paint marks on the trim.
4. I am disappointed with my first impression of the new machine but when we see more pics maybe I will change my mind... I cannot wait to tear one apart to see if anything internally changed from the Sentria 2 to this model. Not to mention the name for the machine is old too


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Post# 303225 , Reply# 29   10/26/2014 at 02:23 (3,441 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)        
It's still a sexy machine, but ...

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... can manufacturers grow some balls like their forefathers did back in the '50's, '60s, and '70s and use some color?

And I mean REAL color. NOT grey. NOT black. NOT white. NOT beige.

This isn't just Kirby, either ... this is pretty much the entire world, from fashion textiles to shower curtains to tablecloths to cars to toasters.

"Globalization" has blanded-down everything.

If you were born after 1980, I can understand your not remembering what it was like living in a world of COLOR and VARIETY. People weren't afraid of it; they embraced it.

Chartreuse shag carpeting on one level. Orange shag on the other. Bright florals and paisleys on the furniture and windows. Bold colored appliances. Tupperware that was offered in the flaming colors of October in all its splendor. Even CARS came in aqua ... cherry ... PINK! ... copper ... lime ... and orange. And the interiors were just as bold (my uncle had ORANGE PLAID upholstery in his car when I was little).

And everything was different! Today we're all carrying around the same identical iPhones ... tapping away on the same laptops ... driving the same cars ... wearing pretty much the same clothes.

A generation ago, everything -- EVERYTHING -- came in countless models and colors. Part of the fun of being a kid was when visiting other people's houses, seeing what their sweepers looked like ... or their TVs ... their stereos ... even their toasters ... because the world was a wild ride of variety.

Today? *sigh*.


Post# 303226 , Reply# 30   10/26/2014 at 02:54 (3,441 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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I was looking forward to seeing the totally redesigned machine oh well at least it's not Grey anymore

Post# 303228 , Reply# 31   10/26/2014 at 03:06 (3,441 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Wow as someone who is really getting into my kirbys i am very dissapointed. All the talk of something new something lighter and its just a facelifted sentria, Which in turn is just a faclifted g3 so here we go for 25 years of the same machine.

If i am a ordanary customer what is the incentive to upgrade from my sentria to this new model?
99

I was seriously going to consider buy a new one when it launched but not any more. I wonder if Kirby and porsche dont share the same boring design team with tracing paper design desks. They are built to last but unless your an enthusiast not much difference to tell them appart for the last 20 years.

The excuse of it must look and sound like a Kirby is just that an excuse. The Classic was completely different from the dual santronic and yet still looked and sounded like a Kirby. Same with the G3 vs Legend II . I would have been very dissapointed as a kirby dealer if i Saw this at the launch


Post# 303230 , Reply# 32   10/26/2014 at 03:18 (3,441 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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What a shame :(

Post# 303231 , Reply# 33   10/26/2014 at 04:08 (3,441 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Haha same old| What a boring life it must be to work for the Kirby design team. :-)

Post# 303232 , Reply# 34   10/26/2014 at 04:15 (3,441 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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Yeah I'm annoyed iv been looking forward to seeing it and the only things they have changed are the handle and the shampooer :(

Post# 303233 , Reply# 35   10/26/2014 at 05:33 (3,441 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Thats it?!?! What a joke. It is exactly the same, It is seriously time for kirby to retire the clunky old generation design and make something new and modern, they are stook in the past.


Post# 303234 , Reply# 36   10/26/2014 at 05:39 (3,441 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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It is still going to be loud, heavy, outdated, inconvenient, should I go on.
I am really dissapointed.


Post# 303236 , Reply# 37   10/26/2014 at 05:46 (3,441 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        

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Alex your right.

Still it keeps the 'turn up to anything including the opening of a can fridge door' crowd happy.

Gotta have some reason to pose in front of the cameras with a glass of bubbly.


Post# 303237 , Reply# 38   10/26/2014 at 05:50 (3,441 days old) by bnsd60m9200 (Akron OH)        

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i normally don't post in the "modern" part of the vac world, but after seeing the patent designs kirby filed, which were publically available for a short time; i for one am glad that those designs never made it to light with this new model.

am i disappointed its now a new ground up design change? yes and no. yes because i never like the g series based design. too clunky and thought a powerdrive that kirby invented in 1990 that is still the basic same design, was way too large and cumbersome. they tried to save money making the tech drive unit use the same power from the motor the runs the rug nozzle. the ended up with a bloated machine because the motor isn't mounted on the same axis as power drive axle and needed a complex gearing to power it. a kirby with a motor mounted on the same axis as the brushroll/ axles instead of perpendicular to it would make the unit smaller, and MUCH easier to make a power drive unit that could be done with a belt and turned off with a button.

i am however also pleased kirby didnt go thru with the insane radical design changes originally filed with the avalir patent several years ago. imho it would've cheapened the product and honestly, looked clumisily designed like a bison and be too different to deal with for customers who've owned older models of kirby's. i for one am HAPPY to see a brand new handle design, its sleek, and ERGONOMIC. one complaint i've always had about my vintage kirby's from the classic/ heritage era, is the handle bale. the rug nozzle width and very unbalanced heavy weight under the bale, makes it very hard to carry. the plastic handle grips you CAN carry them by, but would fail after many liftings like this.

a kirby hasn't been easy to lift since the DS80. this makes it MUCH easier to lift the machine for quick moves, the for going up and down stairs, the typical low handle bail is preferred on any upright. i think the handle design is smart and a very good step forward for the Avalir. i also like the color scheme. ive hated EVERY g series color combination except for the G5. i only liked the g5 because it actually HAS color in it, i don't really care for maroon, but its better than the 50 shades of grey EVERY g series had and the g six was too blah, albiet black blah. this color scheme reminds me a lot of the heritage II though updated smartly and a bag pattern with a fun complex design. though it is stil essentially a sentria, at least that awful name finally died, and they actually put some effort into redesigning the handle for the first time in 25 years, and put some decent effort into the color scheme. the rug shampooer looks interesting and completely different , which really hasn't changed since the d50 much at all. that IS a big change. i personally never used a rug reno even on my old kirby's so i couldn't compare it to the new one. will have to get a look at the attachments before i could put an opinion on them. i always thought the g series attachments were cheap and not as diverse as the older attachments with my classic III/ tradition/ heritage II or older machines.

overall i give the new design an a+ for fixing a very big ergonomic problem the g series machines and even 70's/80's kirby's had, and coming up with a new rug reno system and very smart color scheme. i would actually consider getting one of these used off craigslist, an estate sale or thrift store if i ever saw one. i will never buy a kirby new, just too expensive to justify when i can repair them myself and don't need a warranty to repair them, or deal with the DTD demo, even if i called for one. it'll probably be a few years before i could even afford to get one from the used market, so ill enjoy the photos or play with one a collector has till that point.




Post# 303239 , Reply# 39   10/26/2014 at 06:49 (3,441 days old) by marcusprit ()        

A+ really? It's a Sentria with a new handle and a different colour bag. What a let down for all you Kirby lovers expecting something radical. Was hardly worth bothering!

Post# 303240 , Reply# 40   10/26/2014 at 06:51 (3,441 days old) by kenkart ()        
Just as I thought!

A re vamped Sentria,...I passed up a new in box sentria for 100.00 at a estate sale a while back, I should have bought it, but couldnt get past that garish color, Kirby has not made a pretty machine since the Classic 3, now that red was pretty.


Post# 303241 , Reply# 41   10/26/2014 at 07:04 (3,441 days old) by marcusprit ()        

The Kirby Heritage red bag was nice too. My parents had one of those :-)

Post# 303248 , Reply# 42   10/26/2014 at 10:34 (3,441 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        

I'm more upset by the fact that people that said they knew for sure and had insider info were just talking out of their a$$. Big let down but it is what it is and I feel like kirby must not have a ton of funds to invest in a new machine.

Post# 303249 , Reply# 43   10/26/2014 at 10:39 (3,441 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        

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The handle after taking a second look reminds me of the Oreck Magnesium being you can see right through it.

Post# 303251 , Reply# 44   10/26/2014 at 10:49 (3,441 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        
Marks here

I agree, I was thinking the same thing in regards to the magnesium. It also like they contoured a little hand grip where the bag attaches, but like on my sentria II where it says carry handle its just not comfortable to carry from that position. I like the lower handle better center of gravity.

Post# 303252 , Reply# 45   10/26/2014 at 10:54 (3,441 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Tom Gasko was right

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it`s not the 100th Anniversary they didn't even put that anywhere on this Kirby unlike Filter Queen and at least Aerus put a sticker on their 90th anniversary machines .

I still love it I love ALL Kirby's made and always love the new ones .

Dan


Post# 303253 , Reply# 46   10/26/2014 at 10:56 (3,441 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        

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Yes I agree with you Colby, you need a crane & hoist just to lift it from that elevation (fancy words) I like the middle much more controllable from that point.

Post# 303254 , Reply# 47   10/26/2014 at 10:58 (3,441 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        

It weird that they had the 100th anniversary on the website though.

I like kirbys and will still buy this as well.


Post# 303255 , Reply# 48   10/26/2014 at 10:59 (3,441 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        

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The new Kirby Anvilar heavy as hell & will break your bank!

Post# 303256 , Reply# 49   10/26/2014 at 11:01 (3,441 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Thank God I`m an

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X Linebacker and this wont break my bank ;)

Dan


Post# 303257 , Reply# 50   10/26/2014 at 11:05 (3,441 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        

I think kirbys are about as heavy as most other uprights out there, usually only a pound or two heavier. But for older folks its def not the easiest, I'll have to make sure to stay in shape when I'm older so I'll always be able to use one

Post# 303258 , Reply# 51   10/26/2014 at 11:10 (3,441 days old) by marcusprit ()        

The Kirby is about 22 pound there's many uprights 15 pound and below :-) It's a very heavy machine.

Post# 303260 , Reply# 52   10/26/2014 at 11:33 (3,441 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Colby

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That's why I ride my bike 🚴 30-60 miles per day just so I can lift my 23lb Kirby 😜

Dan


Post# 303266 , Reply# 53   10/26/2014 at 11:51 (3,441 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        

I agree there are many vacs under the weight of the kirby, but I guess the vast majority of uprights are close to the weight of a kirby

Colby


Post# 303267 , Reply# 54   10/26/2014 at 12:13 (3,441 days old) by Fandb22 ()        
When

Will this model be on sale/reflected on the website? I'm sure they will want to deplete the inventory of sentria 2 beforehand. Will they be selling sentria 2 at a discount to do so?

Post# 303271 , Reply# 55   10/26/2014 at 12:40 (3,441 days old) by vacman33 ()        

They did put 100th anniversary on it. You can see it on the bottom of the handle.

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Post# 303272 , Reply# 56   10/26/2014 at 12:43 (3,441 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
Ok, here is my two cents......

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In some ways, I was looking forward to a whole new design for the Kirby. On the other hand, I was worried that it would be too light and perhaps not groom the carpet as well. I feel every time there is a complete change in design, there is always a risk that it will not clean as well as the earlier design. Quite frankly, I don't see too many ways for Kirby to improve the G Series vacuum. Granted each model of that series, has had changes that made it better than the previous model. I currently have a G5, Gsix, Ultimate G and a Sentria II. Up until the Sentria II, I thought the color of the G5 was the nicest of the series. I do like the Sentria II color scheme in brown and teal the best.

In ways a 100th anniversary model in black makes since. The first models were black and then they changed to gray and kept gray for a long long time. The g series had too much gray used on too many models as another poster already mentioned....G3 terrible color period, G4 Charcoal was terrific compared to the G3. G5 one of the best colors, Gsix just ok, not enough yellow accents. G7 was a pretty neat color change, but the Diamond series only had a bag change and then we got the first sentria in gray again. That was 3 gray models in a row Kirby are you listening......NO MORE Gray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks for bringing that up Matt, you are absolutely right about more color. I was hoping for an Emerald Green model.


Thanks to all who were able to post pictures for the rest of us and I am looking forward to seeing the new shampooer set up. Looks like it has a way to keep the suds from building up and overflowing the tray, which is a good thing. I have used the Kirby to shampoo my carpets several times and it did a great job. As far as a carpet shampooer goes, I like my Electrolux Floor Pro the best.....Clean up is simple and quick as well as the time it takes to use the shampooer...



Sincerely,

PR-21
Bud Mattingly


Post# 303274 , Reply# 57   10/26/2014 at 12:52 (3,441 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Thanks Eric

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I love it even more now looks like the 100th anniversary logo might even light up too I might just have to buy a 3rd for my Ocean Front condo 😛

Dan




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Post# 303275 , Reply# 58   10/26/2014 at 13:20 (3,441 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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Cool What lighs up

Post# 303276 , Reply# 59   10/26/2014 at 13:21 (3,441 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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Cool what's lights up

Post# 303281 , Reply# 60   10/26/2014 at 15:04 (3,441 days old) by TASE (Colorado)        

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I want one. Maybe I'll wait until a nice lady posts one on Craigslist for cheap because it affects her allergies and wants it gone for $100!


Post# 303282 , Reply# 61   10/26/2014 at 15:12 (3,441 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Now that's pure GENIUS!!!laughing  


Post# 303285 , Reply# 62   10/26/2014 at 15:41 (3,441 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)        
Aerus Guardian Platinum & Kirby Avalir

When you think about it the Guardian Platinum from Aerus-Lux is not any less different or the same from its predecessors than the Kirby Avalir is from its predecessors. Both of these vacuum companies have been with us a long time. The person going for an Aerus/Electrolux would not have wanted a canister or some other weird shape; much less a bagless cyclone style. If they did, they could go buy a Dyson or a Hoover or a Eureka/AB Electrolux hybrid. There are some excellent vacuums in that lot.

But no. They are looking for an Electrolux for whatever reason: often because it was probably the vacuum in their family for a long time or they know someone who has one. All kinds of reasons.

The same is true for the Kirby. And the fact is, we still don't know what the guts of this new Avalir actually has to offer over the previous models. Think about the Sanitronic D-50. Except for the color, it looked just like its predecessors too. But it was a major step forward. So really we don't know that much yet about this machine..at least not much as been posted yet. We don't know what may be lurking below the surface of what looks like merely a color change.



Post# 303286 , Reply# 63   10/26/2014 at 15:57 (3,441 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        
Kirbyloverdan

Glad to hear you are not upset with the new model. Im not ready to buy a new vacuum as the "relic" I currently have vintage 1987 still cleans as well as the new one. I have had several demo's over the years and have the G 4, G 5 and G 6 all of which I picked up at rumage sales for a fraction of the cost new. Still using old reliable.

Todate none of the new machines sucked up any more dirt than the one I currently use daily. Not even rainbow can get any dirt out of my carpets. I have one of those as well. The water isn't even cloudy after vacuuming every square inch of carpet, flooring and furnishings.

Im sure in a year or so I can pick up several of the Avalir's at a fraction of the cost and still have a good vacuum. The tech drive is nice. However doesn't corner well with both rear wheels spinning at the same rate. If it handled cornering like the pre G series I might think about it. Even my mom (with her tendonitis doesn't like the way the new one handles.) Likes the ease of the pushing and pulling with the tech drive. Just hates steering corners with it. Mom still likes the Kirby Classic her mom bought and My mom has a the Classic Omega and still would rather use either of those machines. I gave my mom my Legend II to use while I repaired her Classic Omega and didn't like the Legend II as well as the one she has. Oh well to each his or hers own.


Post# 303290 , Reply# 64   10/26/2014 at 16:28 (3,441 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
Honestly

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I really like the look of it. It might look like a Sentria II, but it's still badass. (pardon the expression.) 


Post# 303293 , Reply# 65   10/26/2014 at 16:31 (3,441 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Steve

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I am just a vacuum fanatic I must have the newest Kirby been collecting since I was a kid and always buy two when they come out one to use one to keep NIB I have purchased NIB on eBay really cheap .
I got a Sentria II a month ago NIB for $199.00 all attachments plus shampooer and zip brush .

I have all the older ones but can't use them in my home as I have Frieze carpet and it's impossible to try to push a non self propelled Kirby through that carpet .

I am very excited about the Avalir sure I'd love to see a total redesign one day but I will be pleased for the next 3 years maybe the next one will be it ;)

Dan


Post# 303296 , Reply# 66   10/26/2014 at 17:07 (3,440 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Jaker15, I pardon you....KIRBY ROCKS....LED ZEPPELIN SUCKS!!!!!laughing


Post# 303298 , Reply# 67   10/26/2014 at 18:19 (3,440 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        
kirbyloverdan

I too am a vacuum freek. I have been all my life I am now going on 48 in Dec of this year. I started out with the 519 that my grandmother had (started vacuuming when i was 2 1/2 to 3 yrs old.) Due to my current home of 500 sq feet I just don't have the room for to many vacuums. Sadly many of them in my collection are in a locker in the basement where they don't see the light of day. I wouldn't mind having a new one of every model if for no other reason a conversation piece.

The new Avalir has its place. I would like to see what has been done on the redesign of the shampooer. I have had a few thoughts on how to make that attachament work even better. Now had Kirby made an electrofied hose that would allow for motorized attachaments that could be used, that would be a change I would welcome.


Post# 303299 , Reply# 68   10/26/2014 at 18:27 (3,440 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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Yeah the electrified hose was on the total redesigned one what shame to wasn't launched

Post# 303300 , Reply# 69   10/26/2014 at 18:30 (3,440 days old) by sonnyndad ()        
Look back in time...

I had a feeling Kirby would pull a fast one. Just look at the machines from 1982-1989. Heritage, Heritage II, Heritage II Legend, Legend II. Now take Sentria, Sentria II, Sentria II Avalir, and next will probably be the Avalir II. I predict to wait at least 5 more years for a total redesign. I admit, I was a bit disconcerted to find that we got a new G Series, but I guess the Avalir looks pretty cool in the meantime.

Post# 303308 , Reply# 70   10/26/2014 at 19:57 (3,440 days old) by Fandb22 ()        
When

Will this model be on sale/reflected on the website? I'm sure they will want to deplete the inventory of sentria 2 beforehand. Will they be selling sentria 2 at a discount to do so?


Post# 303311 , Reply# 71   10/26/2014 at 20:07 (3,440 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
No one knows

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All depends when Sentria II are all sold , Kirby isn't going to offer them at a discount because a new model is on its way heck if they told me that I would just wait if I didn't know any better you may be able to negotiate but no one is supposed to know about the new model until the sales man starts selling them .

Could be a few months weeks or could be in a few days ;)

Dan


Post# 303313 , Reply# 72   10/26/2014 at 20:13 (3,440 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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I for one love the design, even if it is just a new color! look at the DS80, it had a new handle and color, and it went down in history! Looks like a fun time at that party, wonder how the new shampooer works! 


Post# 303316 , Reply# 73   10/26/2014 at 20:25 (3,440 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Why do we need to change a design that has worked well for decades. Look at all the other options out there. Do they perform any better? Yes some have features that are nice but don't equate to clean. In some cases not much easier to use either. There will never be one vacuum that is perfect for everyone.

The Kirby as it is designed is a great vacuum for carpeting. That is it's primary function. It does perform very well as an above floor machine. Some times challenging to use as such. But none the less a very good performer all around. The biggest problem is the idea that you have to remove one part to use another. Not a difficult thing to do. Also the fact that it is a very heavy machine. Some thing that could be rectified and still keep its basic design and quality.

Kirby needs to focus on teaching the buyer how to use and assemble the machine in a hands on experience by the end user. So that they are comfortable with using it and not flusterated buy how it is set up. Not just shown by a salesman and or video. You have to be able to "feel" the corect positioning of the different attachements to mount them correctly. Some thing no book or video can accomplish. And less focus on the scare tactics of how dust mites are going to kill you. And or that you are a poor house keeper if you don't have a Kirby. Just mention Kirby and watch people cringe. All becouse of bad experiences of others with pushy salesmen and or not taking the time to learn how to use it and get all the benifits of the Kirby. For the elderly or disabled it isn't the best choice for them. But that is a small market.


Post# 303327 , Reply# 74   10/26/2014 at 21:15 (3,440 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        
I sorta predicted this..

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I suspected Kirby would use the 100th as a way to help sell the same basic platform one more time. A complete redesign will sell itself, no need to introduce it on the 100th. The name change also helps this warm-over seem fresher. I say sorta because i didn't post this idea before the release.
So don't be too disappointed it may all go to plan yet.
For me Kirby's (and Electrolux's) are great machines...but for some reason they don't speak to me as much as other brands out there, except certain models like the Comvac or Heritage II 13". But if i find a G series really cheap i have to snap it up!


Post# 303334 , Reply# 75   10/26/2014 at 23:51 (3,440 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
Accent color question

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Quick question. Is the accent color orange or red. Cannot tell from the pictures.


Thanks,

PR-21


Post# 303338 , Reply# 76   10/27/2014 at 03:24 (3,440 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)        
I think ...

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... the "major" challenge of the Kirby design team is to maintain the look and integrity of the original product while finally solving the problem of how to quickly convert to the attachments.

I don't care how "streamlined" the company thinks the process is, compared to today's cheaper models with onboard attachments, using the hose on the Kirby is a freaking Broadway production.

If Kirby could figure out how to make the attachments as convenient as simply pressing a button and -- presto! -- out pops your hose -- like what I was used to with my Fantom Thunder -- they could virtually erase the hesitation to buy by nearly 90% of prospective customers.


Post# 303347 , Reply# 77   10/27/2014 at 07:31 (3,440 days old) by jkbff (Dickinson, ND)        

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They probably won't update the site until end of first quarter next year or possibly beginning of the second quarter. They will get rid of the Sentria IIs first before they even update the site.

Also, the distributors that generally get the new machines first are the ones that have sold out of their stock already and order a new order...

Kirby is a COD company. They will not let the driver release the order unless it is paid in full and no one is going to sit on their old stock. They will deplete their stock first... It's in their best interest.


Now to this... Design...

Someone mentioned why make a powercast type machine since Royal has already done that?

Well that design, ideally, would be perfect for Kirby... You take Kirby's transmission, put it in a design like the power cast but instead of having a brushroll motor, you have the brush driven off of a Direct Air motor, plumb that motor to exhaust into the bag then have a small clean air motor pulling from the bag, add a diverter valve on the back that connects a hose and the direct air pathway that also disables the direct air motor when the hose is activated and Viola! you have a new Kirby..

Wait... That sounds like Tacony's Tandem-Air... Oh, except Tacony doesn't have Kirby's transmission...

Oh well, I guess I'll start pushing this new model as well... :/


Post# 303355 , Reply# 78   10/27/2014 at 09:40 (3,440 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
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I can't wait to own this . The shampooer is a multi surface cleaner should be interesting .

Dan


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Post# 303356 , Reply# 79   10/27/2014 at 09:50 (3,440 days old) by marcusprit ()        

If you own a Sentria you are gonna gain nothing from buying the Avalir apart from bragging rights!

Post# 303357 , Reply# 80   10/27/2014 at 10:01 (3,440 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
the NEW Kirby rarely is

Why is anyone surprised that we now have more of the same?!
Let me first say that 'the same' is one of, if not the best upright ever.And,yes with proper use of attachments by one who can understand them it will do many jobs well.'The same' also means continuous improvement but only on only 3 different versions of the Kirby.After all the first Generation that now continues was called generation THREE.
Avilar-Does this not sound like a new medication or even the disease it would be promoted to treat??
Handle-This seems to be Kirby see,Kirby do after some recent Orecks.No matter how strong it is or how good the power drive is with less handle and the same large base unit it looks as if you have gone from pushing a brick on a stick to pushing a concrete block on a stick.
Real customers-Years ago we had a Kirby office selling the Heritage.After they left as often happens when the finance company has had enough many customers would come to me for bags.As if rehearsed every one would say"I need bags for my Kirby,I HATE it."Then the G-3 was introduced with power drive,which in addition to the bags was the best improvement ever.Sales and customer satisfaction dis seem to increase and I thought I will never find a used G-3.but it was just a matter of time until they were in the yard sales,flea market and Rainbow trade in room just as the Avilar will be.


Post# 303360 , Reply# 81   10/27/2014 at 10:45 (3,440 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi rugsucker.

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I'm rarely here in Contemporary, as I'm not interested in modern vacuum cleaners, I like things 1960 or older. The exception is Kirby, but even there, I don't go beyond the Classic 111. Sure I have a G-4 but that's for housecleaning only!

So why am I here now? To put an end to that growing fear that my beloved Kirby was gone forever! After touring the factory in June with those who attended the V.C.C.C. convention, I went into a tailspin! Kirby top brass were closed mouthed on the 'new model,' so, as usual, I let my mind run riot.

I have no comments on the new Avalir yet, as pictures posted here are not enough. The one thing they have done is put my fears to rest. My beloved Kirby will basically stay the same. Generally speaking I like what I see, but as to the new features? that remains to be seen.

I now know that James B. Kirby is not rolling over in his grave, and that the quality he put into his vacuum cleaners will continue.



Post# 303362 , Reply# 82   10/27/2014 at 11:23 (3,440 days old) by pinkge (Indianapolis,Indiana)        
REALLY....!

After visting Kirby,with the convention,and being so guarded,watched with every movement;escorted to the restrooms,moved along quickly,avoided questions as to when the new Kirby would be out.Being made to feel not welcomed...this is the best you can do!!A Sentra with black trim,a hollowed out handle and a somewhat new rug shampooer/floor cleaner.I'm trully dissapointed.And I bet the attachments are the same ole cheap looking ones as before.
Sorry,everyone,I can not get excited about it.If Kirby is going to do a total redesign,then,for god sakes do so,instead of using using up old stock,with changed trims;calling it a new name.
Guess,I'll change the trim on my car and all my other appliances and rebadge them with new names.But,in the end they are one in the same.
Michael





Post# 303364 , Reply# 83   10/27/2014 at 11:49 (3,440 days old) by Fandb22 ()        
I'm not here

To bash Kirby, as it isn't my first true love. However, they could have kept the same design as it has been tried and true, but brought it out of the year 2000. I would have been really excited if I would have seen it lit up like a Christmas tree with LEDs and maybe controls on the handle? Automatic height adjustment would have been a nice addition as well. Not saying I wouldn't buy one on eBay if it wasn't a good price. I just thought with all the hype and suspense it would have been more. They could have done all the aforementioned and still retained the same tried and true design that people love and in the process broadened their audience to sell more machines. Even if they did all those things and it was a whole new state of the art machine, I wouldn't have bought it from Kirby, simply because the Kirby office here in Pittsburgh is questionable and scary. I went once to buy bags for my Diamond and my one person there looked professional, and then someone who clearly was shady, stopped me as I was trying to leave the parking lot and said that he had just won a machine for selling so many and he would give it to me for $700 cash only. I said no, because if I were spending the money it would have to be a legit deal, and not from the parking lot. He forced me to take his number and to call him if I found someone to buy. I'll be buying my bags online from now on!

Post# 303368 , Reply# 84   10/27/2014 at 13:07 (3,440 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        
To everyone who expected a totally different design....

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WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!?! Of course Kirby wasn't going to go with the concept Avalir! Like I predicted in the past, they stuck with a tried & true design. If the concept Avalir HAD been put into production, it would have been a huge failure for Kirby! It was way too far from the qualities & features Kirby is known for today. Plus I bet there would have been design issues & premature failure of some components & features, especially if there was an electric hose port feature. The bottom line is, for anyone who still has any hope left, the concept Avalir will probably never be put into production, & Kirby will probably remain the same for many years to come. It's like frkirby560 said above "One thing he said that struck me: whatever they do, the Kirby has to look like a Kirby, sound like a Kirby, and function like a Kirby." That's the way it is with DTD brands....Rainbow, Aerus, Tristar, Filter Queen, they're all the same way....at the end of the day, they are known for their design & having certain features, & they can't deviate too far from it or they will alienate & lose customers.

One thing I am surprised nobody has commented on though - notice they ditched the Sentria II mini-emtor & returned back to the Sentria mini-emtor? I wonder if they were getting complaints on performance or some customers didn't like the way the Sentria II mini-emtor looked, or if dealer feedback prompted them to switch back to the Sentria mini-emtor. Either way, would be interesting to hear what a Kirby dealer thinks, if there is one on this board. One feature I would like to see implemented on the next Kirby though....it would be nice to see them incorporate the direct-drive brushroll that Bison had used. I think if Kirby made the parts out of all-metal instead of some parts being plastic like Bison did, & with some minor modifications, Kirby could make the design work & be reliable. This would also be key to simplifying attachment use down the road - somehow or another, they are going to have to remove the belt or change where it's located, if they want to make a hose fit on like a Royal, in the sense that you remove a cap & insert the hose, except removing the belt on a Royal to use the hose is it's achilles heel.

Either way, whether you like it or not, this is what we're stuck with for the next 3 to 4 years. I personally like it, & think it's the most stylish Kirby ever produced, besides the G4 & G6, & I like the addition of the handle built into the bag arm, that will make it easier for some people to carry up stairs.

Rob


Post# 303369 , Reply# 85   10/27/2014 at 13:15 (3,440 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Kirby Avialir

What a total shame. I love Kirby but.....
I don't like the new hollow handle. It looks like a Oreck handle copy. Also that black plastic round fill tube going from the machine to the bags looks cheap. In the picture of the machine, now the handle and bag almost look too small for the huge body of the motor unit. Also don't care for how the rug nozzle protection strip that takes a dip in the middle of the nozzle. It makes it look like it is sagging or has slipped down.

Didn't they just have a black model with yellow trim a few years ago?
It puts them so far behind the industry with the new Aerus and Rainbow on the market and the new Shark and Dyson designs.
Add to that, most people seem to end up with a Kirby from a high pressure sale, not seeking to buy the machine.
There must be some reason you see so many almost new Kirby's selling on Ebay for such low prices, as Dan pointed out how cheap he was able to buy a unit.
I always liked my Kirby Legend ll and used it for many years until it just got too heavy and carry around.
I sure wish them well but no matter how much more power they add to the motor I would have no reason to invest.
They would have to improve the quality of the attachments and their conversion, make them lighter weight and fix the smelling hepa bags to get my interest.



Post# 303374 , Reply# 86   10/27/2014 at 13:45 (3,440 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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Yes they did the yellow and black one was called the G6

Post# 303393 , Reply# 87   10/27/2014 at 15:10 (3,440 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)        
I think

This Kirby is a handsome machine with the contrasting and Classic chrome and black.
I really like the black hose and attchments 😄


Post# 303394 , Reply# 88   10/27/2014 at 15:15 (3,440 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
They didn't go back to the old emptor.....

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Check out the photos closer. Certain ways you look, it does look like the older style emptor, but they are using the newest style on it in black.


PR-21


Post# 303395 , Reply# 89   10/27/2014 at 15:18 (3,440 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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I got a little bit disappointed at first because it just looked a sentria with a bit of handle missing but I love it now

Post# 303406 , Reply# 90   10/27/2014 at 16:51 (3,440 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Here is the official

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Brochure and pics Kirby never goes back to old parts that old emptor mold has been destroyed.

They made perfect even better I can't wait to own this .




Dan


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Post# 303407 , Reply# 91   10/27/2014 at 17:03 (3,439 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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What an beautiful machine

Post# 303423 , Reply# 92   10/27/2014 at 18:21 (3,439 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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I wonder if the Avalier's new shampooer will work on the current Sentria.  I assume it will.  Does anyone know for sure?  undecided


Post# 303424 , Reply# 93   10/27/2014 at 18:30 (3,439 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Not

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Supposed to fit in previous Kirbys .


Dan


Post# 303425 , Reply# 94   10/27/2014 at 18:32 (3,439 days old) by sonnyndad ()        
It's starting to grow on me...

It reminds me of a 505! With the black trim and chrome. The big KIRBY on the bag is reminiscent of the old C series and early 500 series bags. I hope someone will bring an Avalir to St. Louis next year!

Post# 303428 , Reply# 95   10/27/2014 at 19:08 (3,439 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        

I actually like the new Kirby. I am glad they did not do any kind of total re-design. I am one for the tried and true approach and the colors of this are starting to grow on me. When you stop and think about so many colors now a days are so basic like black, white, and gray. Very few manufactures of appliances make other color options available. Coming from the appliance market, if a customer wanted an appliance in for say, red, they would pay a higher price for just the color alone. Also, other DTD companies have not done a total re-design in quite a few years as well. Rainbow is the only one that I can think of that subtly came close to a re-design. One last thing, the new Aerus vacuums are mostly in black and dark gray yet I have not heard too many people complaining about them. 

 

Side note: I hope I am spelling gray right. It is one of those nights, grey or gray? 


Post# 303429 , Reply# 96   10/27/2014 at 19:14 (3,439 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Derek it's an

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Approach followed by high end auto manufacturers like my favorite brand Mercedes most luxury cars are sold in Black I only buy Black Mercedes these D2D models are following that color scheme.

I'm super excited to get this model as you can tell I can't wait I LOVE Kirby !!!

Dan


Post# 303431 , Reply# 97   10/27/2014 at 20:03 (3,439 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi Kirbyloverdan.

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Now that I've seen the pictures you posted, I convirme it. I'm very pleased with the design, but I have a question if it's not too soon to answer. What is the tool that looks like a paint roller? A revision of the Handi-Waxer?

I'm so glad the new Kirby looks like a Kirby. Now I want to see a demo. Too bad my housemate would never let me live it down if I bought one. But who knows, after the hype dies down, I just might get one next year.

Thanks for sharing, I don't care what the nay sayers grumble about, I'm very happy with the Avalir, well worth waiting for.
Alex Taber


Post# 303432 , Reply# 98   10/27/2014 at 20:08 (3,439 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        
Okay I stand corrected

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I don't know what it is about this one but it's starting to grow really fast on me. I think it's the colours of the red & black BUT it still won't work on my carpets...dammit!!! I should have read which vacuums work with this carpet before I had them installed.

Post# 303445 , Reply# 99   10/27/2014 at 20:37 (3,439 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Alex its a

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Bare floor gentle rotary mop that's the black roller on the right side of picture .

Dan


Post# 303447 , Reply# 100   10/27/2014 at 20:43 (3,439 days old) by sonnyndad ()        
The new Kirby

Does have that effect on people! Especially collectors. I am really starting to like the Avalir. It reminds me of the 505.

Post# 303451 , Reply# 101   10/27/2014 at 21:21 (3,439 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)        
Clayton ...

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Now THAT is a gorgeous machine!!!

Post# 303458 , Reply# 102   10/27/2014 at 22:09 (3,439 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        

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Clayton, your 505 is beautiful!! You better be prepared to hold onto that ole girl for dear life, I bet a anxious distributor would be really tempted to offer to buy that off you for a huge sum of money.

Rob


Post# 303460 , Reply# 103   10/27/2014 at 23:01 (3,439 days old) by sonnyndad ()        
Unfortunately...

The 505 pictured is not mine. I wanted to show the resemblance of the Avalir to the 505, so I grabbed the only non-copyrighted image of a 505 off of Google images I could find. I WISH it was mine! Maybe someday I'll have a 505 that nice. I guess I should have specified that the machine wasn't mine.

Post# 303466 , Reply# 104   10/28/2014 at 02:18 (3,439 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

AVALIR---Bet the salesman will bew calling on me soon.The handle is unique.Has more handles on the handle!The grip above the bag and the other above the motor.Very good-two ways to grip it making it more comfortable to carry.The new Floor care attachment just may well be more useful than the carpet only previous one.Glad Kirby stuck with their Tried and proven design.Glad they didn't "tinker" with it coming up with something that won't really work afterall.I am an avid Kirby fan-grew up with them.So the design of it gets my approval.Will take Kirby as an upright over most others-esp the bagless plastivacs.Will see how long it takes for the old Sentria 2 stock to be sold out.

Post# 303473 , Reply# 105   10/28/2014 at 04:26 (3,439 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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Yeah, I'll admit to being a little disappointed that there isn't a completely new model, especially with all the anticipation and hype in the run up to the launch. I think those patents that surfaced some time ago may have contributed to this... it's easy to forget that a patent is often just a way for a manufacturer to "bagsie" an idea or concept, while not necessarily committing to actually putting it into production any time soon, if at all.

That said, the G series always was and still is a good vacuum. For all its downsides (and every cleaner has them), it does have a good track record for durability and reliability. It's fully repairable in the event something goes wrong, and it definitely cleans well. A long running design doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, because it gives a product the opportunity to evolve, work out any bugs and gain refinements. These are all attributes we tend to criticise other brands for NOT having, and looking at it that way I'm going to cut Kirby a little slack. Had they instead launched a plastic "me too" product with a bagless cyclone on the front and a half-assed set of tools on board, then we'd really have something to complain about.

I do like what they've done with the Avalir. The colour, handle design and bag graphics look great, a vast improvement on the Sentria which I disliked from day one. Really pleased to see the improvements to the shampooer, and look forward to seeing how it performs on hard floors. Once these start filtering through to the used market, at a sensible price, I might have to pick one up because this is the first new Kirby that has really caught my eye for a long time.


Post# 303480 , Reply# 106   10/28/2014 at 07:27 (3,439 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)        
Don't get me wrong ...

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I'm also glad they didn't depart from the classic Kirby design model.

However ... COLOR please (black is not a color).

Someone also mentioned this earlier and I have to concur: I do not like the "dip" in the rubber furniture protection band across the front; it looks like it's sagging.


Post# 303482 , Reply# 107   10/28/2014 at 07:37 (3,439 days old) by Jfalberti (Visalia, CA)        
I thought that

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When the dip came out on the Sentria too.

Post# 303483 , Reply# 108   10/28/2014 at 07:40 (3,439 days old) by Jfalberti (Visalia, CA)        
Actually

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I think the design colors of the Avalir are an homage to the 505. It's pretty cool, I think.

Post# 303485 , Reply# 109   10/28/2014 at 08:44 (3,439 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Black exudes

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Luxury and richness why do you think they call it a Black Tie event ?

I love the smile on the front bumper this is the perfect Kirby so far I LOVE everything about it .

Dan


Post# 303493 , Reply# 110   10/28/2014 at 09:53 (3,439 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
I think it's beautiful

Different brands become collectible for different reasons. IMHO, this one is desirable simply because it holds true to Kirby's basic design principle of the vertical impeller fan behind the brushroll and it's a design that works very well. I think there's added beauty in the fact this machine has the same basic fan and brushroll configuration as the 2C and the 519 and the HII and many others. These elements are part of Kirby's heritage and what made the Kirby an iconic design in the same way that the Hoover Convertible became an icon for that brand.

Post# 303505 , Reply# 111   10/28/2014 at 12:17 (3,439 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        
Beauty is only skin deep, so

Have they managed to make it a little less noisy. At least in Consumer Reports ratings, the Sentria was "excellent" in carpet, bare floors, tool suction, and pet hair tests. It was "very good" for filtration. It was only "fair" for ease of use and noise.

Did they do anything to make it less noisy or easier to push? Please not that full size vacuums like Kirby will never get "excellent" scores for "ease of use" unless they're driven by a game controller.


Post# 303506 , Reply# 112   10/28/2014 at 12:21 (3,439 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)        
Consumer Reports ...

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... Meh.

I take their ratings with a grain of salt anymore.


Post# 303507 , Reply# 113   10/28/2014 at 13:05 (3,439 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
Consumer Reports.......

They're either too objective about things that could be selling points of a machine, or too subjective about minor details. They always pick and choose a handful of brands and models to go into the testing group instead of being more comprehensive or inclusive of brands. The magazine is great for lining a birdcage or training a puppy. I don't read it unless I manage to get a look at it for free.

Post# 303508 , Reply# 114   10/28/2014 at 13:27 (3,439 days old) by jscarlato (Clairton, PA)        

I, too, take Consumer Reports ratings with a grain of salt. They've placed the Sentria only close to the top, not only for their test results in the various categories, but also for price. They pit efficiency against price to look for consumer "best buys." Truth is, what's best for others is not what's best for me. That is for me to decide. I surmise they put plastic and a cheaper price against years of proven performance and quality.

What seems like a deviation from that theory is that for several times, they've rated the Miele Twist above the Kirby. I have a Miele Cat and Dog, and I rarely use it because that thing is a beast--heavier than any Kirby I have, more expensive to maintain, harder to push, and equipped with limited attachments.

Unless I miss my guess, Consumer Reports will downgrade the Avalir for the same reasons it has downgraded the Sentrias I and II. For my part, I think the new Avalir is a neat upgrade to the model line. I like what I've seen so far, and I have to have one. Consumer Reports can go pound salt.


Post# 303514 , Reply# 115   10/28/2014 at 14:59 (3,439 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi spiraclean.

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Those patents you speak about, I saw them back in 2009 or 10, and that was when the early fears began. Those fears reapeared as we took the factory tour and Kirby top brass was very tight lipped. As I stated in another post, my immagination has run riot ever since I got home from the convention! I'm happy to know my beloved Kirby is well, a Kirby!

As for the patents, have you any idea where I can locate them? If possible post them for us, as I recall, they were rather frightening, and looked nothing like the Kirby I know. Praise Kirby for rejecting them, they were rather awfull!
Alex Taber.


Post# 303515 , Reply# 116   10/28/2014 at 15:10 (3,439 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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Post# 303516 , Reply# 117   10/28/2014 at 15:13 (3,439 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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Sorry I was ment to post this one
www.ipaustralia.com.au/applicant/...


Post# 303517 , Reply# 118   10/28/2014 at 15:48 (3,439 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Some form of that

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Kirby is coming it is already out being tested it will arrive one day as the new Kirby just as the G3 generation series arrived Kirby will not keep this machine around for ever .

Dan


Post# 303518 , Reply# 119   10/28/2014 at 15:52 (3,439 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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Oh that's awesome do you know when it's coming out

Post# 303527 , Reply# 120   10/28/2014 at 16:43 (3,439 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Dug up this sketch from postings a few years back. This was what we were expecting in the Avalir. :-(

Fan top exhaust, Bag centered behind the handle, Quick Change hose connection and possibly a gear driven brushroll. All relatively easy to re-engineer keeping the deservedly famous powerplant.

Would have been a huge improvement over the bulky heavy unbalanced machine Kirby has simply up-dated with colour and a stupid handle. I think Kirby thought the handle would make the machine look 'lighter' but instead it looks inadequate to the task and highlights the cumbersome aged design.

My 2 cents.


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Post# 303528 , Reply# 121   10/28/2014 at 16:48 (3,439 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
Kirby patent drawings

RUBE GOLDBERG LIVES !!!

Post# 303533 , Reply# 122   10/28/2014 at 16:59 (3,438 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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What a shame it didn't come out

Post# 303539 , Reply# 123   10/28/2014 at 17:33 (3,438 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)        
Joseph ...

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"What seems like a deviation from that theory is that for several times, they've rated the Miele Twist above the Kirby. I have a Miele Cat and Dog, and I rarely use it because that thing is a beast--heavier than any Kirby I have, more expensive to maintain, harder to push, and equipped with limited attachments."

OMG YES!!!

I couldn't believe how bulky, heavy, and cumbersome the Miele twist felt!


Post# 303541 , Reply# 124   10/28/2014 at 18:01 (3,438 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi aeoliandave .

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Happy to say that was not it, what I saw was Kirby in Dyson mode, and sort of a lift away thing. The design I saw was nothing like a Kirby, and it really had me biting my nails.

This was a multie page patent in idea form with tank type, and shampooer modes. I thought, "has the Kirby company lost it's mind?" what I saw was truely frightening!

I was working in the hotel from Hell, and have no idea who shared it with us, but I think the post was "the Kirby of tomorrow!" Thank God, that thing is not the new Avalir.

On another note, glad to know you're doing better.
Alex Taber.


Post# 303543 , Reply# 125   10/28/2014 at 18:11 (3,438 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi again aeoliandave.

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Just to clarify.

The date I saw that monstrsity was in late 2009, or early 2010. It looked nothing like your sketch, that I could live with, but not the beast in that 3 page patent idea.
Alex Taber.


Post# 303547 , Reply# 126   10/28/2014 at 18:38 (3,438 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        
Ok Kirbyloverdan

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I am going to bite. You have me VERY interested. How do you know for certain the Kirby concept is being tested?? What are your sources? Call me crazy, but it seems like you have some info from a source you aren't letting on to that you know, like you're keeping something under wraps.

Rob


Post# 303556 , Reply# 127   10/28/2014 at 20:14 (3,438 days old) by adiosTor3ador ()        
Part Of Me...

Really wants to purchase it but I have a G4... Perhaps just as part of the collection...

Post# 303558 , Reply# 128   10/28/2014 at 20:33 (3,438 days old) by sonnyndad ()        
I want it too...

And I have almost every model from the 508 to the Sentria!

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Post# 303561 , Reply# 129   10/28/2014 at 21:14 (3,438 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Well, although I am not a Kirbylover..........

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I appreciate an American company which can last for 100 years.Do I bash? Nope!
I, too, was glad to stand in that factory this past Summer, amid "rumblings" about the anniversary. We were shipped out of there quickly, but because of several reasons, (not going there).
Michael: you are right.
Of course, they're not going to reinvent the wheel. They'll trim some materials here and there, (handle, etc) to make it lighter, sleeker, etc.
Matt: I agree. Nobody "colors' vacs anymore like they used to. Look at MY favorite cleaner.... they had colorists whose job WAS to make all of those wonderful, sometimes crazy colors.Out of respect to all of "ye" and so as to not to "Bogart" this thead, I'm not mentioning my stellar vac name (not even in lower case), but anyone who knows me knows......
How many things can one change? At times, companies will cheapen down the tools bigtime (yes, they have), silver/black, etc are the sleek new 'sexy colors".
I'm happy for all of you who are glad Kirby kept the things you like, and am sorry for you who are disappointed.
Nothing can/will make EVERYONE happy.There ARE those who love Kirby, and, then there are the "others". Guess I'M one of the "others". That's ok, too. I WILL say, "Happy Birthday, Kirby" once again. And, didn't it look like a really SWANKY party?


Post# 303567 , Reply# 130   10/28/2014 at 21:55 (3,438 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        
On the brochures that were posted by Dan, it states....

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That the 100th anniversary logo on the handle will only be available for a short time.....I am going to have to get one when they come out.


PR-21

Bud Mattingly


Post# 303572 , Reply# 131   10/28/2014 at 22:07 (3,438 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Say, Sonnydad, in picture 2, do you Keep that window locked? That '13 head would look smashing on my eBay page YOUR display shelf! Haha, look at it there, all displayed! How cute!

 

P.S-anybody need a '13 head for a Heritage II? I know where to get one now!!! laughing


Post# 303579 , Reply# 132   10/28/2014 at 22:21 (3,438 days old) by penie396 ()        

I need one super sweeper, I sent you a message

Post# 303581 , Reply# 133   10/28/2014 at 22:36 (3,438 days old) by sonnyndad ()        
Why thank you!

For your approval of my collection, Super-Sweeper! Maybe I should moove that 13" HII head now that the word's out. Someone will track me down!

Post# 303588 , Reply# 134   10/29/2014 at 00:39 (3,438 days old) by Bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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I love the new color scheme of the new Kirby Avalir!! It's beautiful in my eyes and I'd love to have one! I really do wish they would bring back the 2 speed switch like my on Diamond Edition. I love that I can vacuum wall to wall carpet and then switch to low to deep clean the small door mat that's by the front door without needing to get out the central vac or an Electrolux. If I tried to clean it on normal speed it would get sucked up into the nozzle or I'd have to stand over the mat in some awkward position to vacuum it while praying it doesn't get jammed.

The new rug/floor renovator looks very nice too. I don't care much for the previous rug renovator, I prefer to use a Hoover Stam Vac, but the ability to clean bare floors is a wonderful new feature. The standard Kirby tools are nice and well made but I wish the bare floor tool was made larger, or at least have a wider tool available for purchase. I've always though Kirby should include the bare floor "pad" that snaps on to the bottom of the rug nozzle as a standard attachment, it does a reasonable job and it elimates the worry of scratching wood floors with the rug nozzle.

I can't justify purchasing a new Avalir just based on the new color or the improved rug renovator, but I will say no matter what vacuum I use I don't ever think my carpets are completely clean unless they are vacuumed with a Kirby. I could never have large area rugs or wall to wall carpet in my house and not own a Kirby, it just wouldn't end well for the carpets...


Post# 303589 , Reply# 135   10/29/2014 at 01:37 (3,438 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)        
It wasn't until ...

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... I bought my "new" D80 that I really understood what I'd been missing in terms of deep cleaning of my rugs.

I'd never had a vacuum literally pull the rug up off the floor before!


Post# 303623 , Reply# 136   10/29/2014 at 12:14 (3,438 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Steve I feel

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The same way about the speed switch from the Diamond edition but that will not be back until the new model arrives that will be finger tip access . They had many complaints about that switch as people would turn it to low and not realize it then wonder why the Kirby wasn't cleaning as it should so the next model the Sentria is was removed .

Did I say I can't wait to get my Avalirs 😜 ???


Dan


Post# 303634 , Reply# 137   10/29/2014 at 13:32 (3,438 days old) by isufan11 (Minneapolis )        
Disappointed

A few years ago I worked for the UL doing patent reviews for new electrical products (thats the short version of the job) Back then 2008-2011 we had several prototypes through the office from Scott Fetrzer Company. the units were completely redesigned. In essence it was the unit below. (Also the one posted above and referenced in the link to patents above)

While I like the looks of the "new" Avalir, I was really hoping that they would have released the unit I got to see, underwrite and test. It was truly a unique machine with many advance features. I know from past experiences that a company would not spend the amount of money it takes for patents, prototypes and Underwriting to just scrap that project. Hopefully sometime in the not to distant future we will see the actual new machine.



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Post# 303661 , Reply# 138   10/29/2014 at 17:30 (3,437 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi isufan11.

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Bingo!

That was what I saw, and came really unglued at the thought that my beloved Kirby would be gone forever.

Looking at it now, I'm not as shocked as I was, but not to have some sort of Sani, or mini emp-tor would be the unthinkable! Actually, the main machine wouldn't be such a departure, except for the emp-tor, and I don't see the toe-touch- feature either. No cord hooks tells me, a retractable cord.

The patent date of October 17, 2006 must be the date filed, but I saw this in 2009. All in all, it's not that bad. However, to a die hard Kirby lover, it would take time to adjust. So glad the Avalir stuck with the tried and true.

Just my opion.

For what it's worth!
Alex Taber


Post# 303662 , Reply# 139   10/29/2014 at 17:55 (3,437 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Jon and Alex

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That machine will make it just wait and see ;) all was not wasted Jon 😜

Dan


Post# 303663 , Reply# 140   10/29/2014 at 17:55 (3,437 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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Will the total redesign one ever come out

Post# 303666 , Reply# 141   10/29/2014 at 18:14 (3,437 days old) by sonnyndad ()        
I'm with Alex on this one...

I dread the day that the above machine is the new Kirby. That thing looks nothing like a Kirby. I hope the new machine is the 505, Classic 1CR, and the G3. That is to say it's a true Kirby with the traditional design, just with enhanced features and capabilities. IMHO, the above drawing looks like the offspring of a Hoover Elite and a Eureka model M.



Post# 303671 , Reply# 142   10/29/2014 at 18:51 (3,437 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi sonnydad.

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Having this in the back of my mind, but fortunately, no recolection of the what it looked like, had me going crazy. I recall thinking "if that monstrosity I saw in the V.C.C.C. forum in 09 is the new Kirby, I'm in big trouble!"

I hid it well on the factory tour, but was terrorfied. No commnts from Kirby top brass, or seeing the lower section of the factory had me sweating.

The last months were brutal, the not knowing, the waiting, and my mind in overdrive. My housemate finally asked "why is a new vacuum cleaner making you crazy?" I couldn't say what I thought. "That the Kirby as I know it is gone," as he's not interested in vacuum cleaners. I was resigned to the fact that my Classic 111, and G-4 were my last Kirby's.

Then I saw the Avalir, and breathed a sigh of relief. But still didn't believe it, thought this was a hoax, computer genorated pictures, and actually sent a message to Morgan to confirm that the Avalir was the new Kirby.

Now it seems so stupid, waisting years brooding over, as my housemate said, "a vacuum cleaner." But Kirby, like my Electrolux LX, gets in the blood. Only now can I breathe a sigh of relief.
Alex Taber.


Post# 303674 , Reply# 143   10/29/2014 at 19:16 (3,437 days old) by sonnyndad ()        
But you must remember,

That this base model has been used for 25 years. The Generation series is the longest running series of Kirbys ever. The 500 series ran for 24 years, and the Classic series for 19 years. The Avalir is still just a rebadged Sentria. We just have to hope and pray that the new series, whenever it arrives, will carry Kirby's tradition of Quality, Reliability, and Performance.

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Post# 303676 , Reply# 144   10/29/2014 at 19:57 (3,437 days old) by 2011hoover700 (owosso michigan)        
brushroll question

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Is the brushroll still wooden like on the sentria 2 or does it have a steel brushroll with replaceable brush strips as another improvement? I love the other improvements of my favorite modern brand overall.

Post# 303686 , Reply# 145   10/29/2014 at 22:12 (3,437 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi 201hoover700

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As far as I recall the brushroll is a new design. It's made by the Cleveland Wood Products, a division of Scott & Fetzer.

When we were there for the convention saw that brushroll, and they made a joke about it, as we were not supposed to see it. C.W.P. also makes the bags, that we did not see.

We were told this new Kirby has been in the planning stage for 5 years, and C.W.P. worked hand in hand with the Kirby company.

That's all I know, but yes it is a new design.
Alex Taber.


Post# 303696 , Reply# 146   10/30/2014 at 02:35 (3,437 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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Cool I can't wait to see this new kirby in action

Post# 303737 , Reply# 147   10/30/2014 at 14:49 (3,437 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Question of 2006 patent.

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Reply 137, shows the 'Kirby of the future.' (God, I hope not!)

So here's the question. First drawing is the upright design with replacement bag for handvac unit, which I actually like, Then the 'power nozzle with hose, and cord. Why? what's the point? if the upright already has a brushroll, hopefully with Triple Cousion Vibration, Safty Switch, and so on, isn't the p.n. utterly useless? And I have to admit the hose set up isn't that bad, or at least tolerable! but as I said earlier, no mini-em-tor? I'd be very dissapointed with that change!

I know nothing of the Avalir other than the few pictures I've seen here, so it's too soon to judge one way or another. However, as listed in an other of my posts, I like what little I see, but tell me please, what is that paint roller thing? a waxer, or part of that new tile cleaner set up?

Certainly it's too early for data on the Kirby homepage. The Avalir hasn't made it there yet. As for my getting one? I'd love it, but living on a fixed income, not likely.

For me, the great thing is that the new design is NOT what's in the patent. And hopefully never will be. At least not in my lifetime!
Alex Taber.


Post# 303747 , Reply# 148   10/30/2014 at 15:15 (3,437 days old) by vintagevaclover (Athens, GA)        
2006 Patent

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What is it made of? I would hope it's not plastic. I wouldn't imagine that the feature where the whole handle & bag set up comes off would be very stable.

Post# 303752 , Reply# 149   10/30/2014 at 16:55 (3,437 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
2006 patent

"PN utterly useless?"--Perhaps,UNLESS you keep 2 strong men around to lift beds and sofas when cleaning under OR have a 1949 Singer twin fan that with a touch of the trigger on back of hand grip will lower the entire vac to about 4 inches after cleaning the rest of room(with a self adjusting brush).And after cleaning a touch of the second button on front of handle will retract cord and leave the plug at the top where it can easily be reached next time(unlike the new deluxe Hoovers!).
"no mini emptor"--We are at a time that a Kirby without a mini emptor is like a car without a running board if the Kirby is to be updated for today in the manner that the familiar VW Beetle has had 2 updated versions very much for today with great colors.
"paint roller thing?"--This resembles the roller from the 60s & 70s for hard floors and seems to show the Kirby knows more homes have more hard floors even as they continue the same rug/floor tool.This tool has 4 rollers that often become dirty and sticky picking up grit that then is rolled around what may be fine and expensive floors.Also the hard plastic bottom and 1 bristle strip that should be compared to other floor tools almost anyone here would have.In recent years Rainbow went from a good floor brush to a much better one.Almost any central vac att kit fl br is better than Kirby has ever had for nice hard floors.The fit all floor brushes that are in any vac part catalog are better than Kirby and many are based in Ohio.Maybe Kirby should have a truckload delivered to truly upgrade hard floor care!
"plastic"--The bottom half of the Sentria motor unit is already made of a quality plastic that can not have color scrape off and seems to have no problems.



Post# 303755 , Reply# 150   10/30/2014 at 17:02 (3,436 days old) by Sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO)        
Improvements I wish Kirby would make

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I use Kirby machines all the time and love them. I'm glad they didn't make the new Kirby into a machine that isn't really a Kirby. Two things I wish Kirby would do, and apparently haven't in this new model, are to sound-insulate the motor unit a lot better and to produce a really good microfiber wood and marble floor tool. I think those two things would make people more willing to use that hose that makes the Kirby so versatile. Doesn't seem like either should be that difficult.

Post# 303766 , Reply# 151   10/30/2014 at 18:37 (3,436 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
"wood and marble floor tool"-"that difficult"

Yes!Kirby is a great upright and NOT the best choice to vacuum nice hard floors.The last time I walked past vacs at WalMart I saw-1 Dyson,1 bag vac(Bissell),no canisters(unless you count small Black & Decker with hoses)and a Dirt Devil stick vac at about $50 that would be easier and BETTER to vacuum a hard floor than Kirby(or many others).Take a look.Perhaps Kirby engineers could find a museum that could show them the floor att for the SweeperVac of about 1925 with the dust mop on bottom!Or take a business trip to Europe and see their miles of hard floors and the Miele (and other)floor tools that clean them!!

Post# 303783 , Reply# 152   10/30/2014 at 19:48 (3,436 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi rugsucker.

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Go to reply 137. Seems that the Kirby has the main upright nozzle AND a power nozzel, why? Hose, wands and surface floor tool have gone under beds for decades!

Only if the idea was one or the other! A mini power nozzle on the end of a hose was a great idea, remember the turbo tool? but an electric hose/power nozzle and Triple coution Vibration seems a bit of overkill!

Actually it's a mute point, the thing in that patend was NOT used, so no problem. I only thought it looked a bit odd.


Post# 303786 , Reply# 153   10/30/2014 at 19:56 (3,436 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi rugsucker.

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Seems that paint roller thing IS a new version of the Handi-Waxer that went with the Kirby Classic, and Classic Omega.

New surprizes every day for a while.

And as a man who has had hard floors all my life, the Kirby Mirical Head does a great job, and the machine in canister mode? awesome!


Post# 303807 , Reply# 154   10/30/2014 at 21:09 (3,436 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        

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The real Avalir obviously doesn't look like the one in the patent drawings. Therefore, I can rest assured that some older internal parts will still be available.

~Ben


Post# 303820 , Reply# 155   10/30/2014 at 21:48 (3,436 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi KirbyClassic111

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I'm sure that even if that patent had been made, Kirby parts would still be available. But I for one can breathe easy and sleep at night again without nightmares.

Alex Taber.


Post# 303822 , Reply# 156   10/30/2014 at 21:57 (3,436 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
I am KRAZY about

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Vacuums but they don't control my life like that Alex no vacuum would ever interrupt my sleep or my life .

Just know that one day Kirby will change the machine TOTALLY it WILL happen and I will sleep and go on with my life as if nothing ever happened .

A total redesign Kirby is out there ...

Dan


Post# 303824 , Reply# 157   10/30/2014 at 22:18 (3,436 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi Kirbyloverdan.

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I've always been this way, not only vacuum cleaners but anything, a vacation, a job interview, whatever it happens to be both good or bad. I'm a worrier.



Post# 303827 , Reply# 158   10/31/2014 at 01:26 (3,436 days old) by kenkart ()        
re new Kirby...

My take is a Kirby is a true mans vacuum....., I have never seen a woman yet that didnt have troubles with the day to day usage of them, for anything other than a big open carpeted space they are awkward and inconvienent...that said, they are well built, and high quality....in reality, im just not impressed by anything new, a new Kirby up thru a D-80, yes, great lightweight, manuverable, after 1970...heavy and too big!


Post# 303845 , Reply# 159   10/31/2014 at 06:28 (3,436 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have had more than one Kirby salesman point out the Kirby appeals more to the MAN of the home than the woman.They mention the man of the house is more likely to close the sale.Men are more akin to the Kirby attachments-esp the Handi Butlers.Keep in mind there are other vacuums that women didn't like-Royal Powercast and Hoover Z.Both machines too heavy and clunky.And both of those you almost need your tractor or truck to push and carry them!At least the Kirby G machines move well with their Tech Drive.But indeed,heavy to lift and carry.Can you imagine the weight and "clunkyness" factor if the hose and tools were on board the Kirby as some want.You would need your truck to push it and your forklift to carry it up the stairs!

Post# 303848 , Reply# 160   10/31/2014 at 07:14 (3,436 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
23lbs

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Wow at what age will I think this is heavy ?

I don't think the Kirby is heavy at all guess it's all my bike riding and weightlifting that I don't feel the new Kirbys are any heavier than the 500 series .

Dan


Post# 303852 , Reply# 161   10/31/2014 at 09:22 (3,436 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)        
When will the Avalir be on the market?

When do you think someone could actually purchase a new Kirby Avalir? How long do you think the 100th Anniversary logo will remain on the machine? Just wondering what everybody thinks?

Post# 303853 , Reply# 162   10/31/2014 at 09:29 (3,436 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Alex

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That's not a power nozzle in the patent drawing. If you read the description, that's the shampooer. That's why the hose has a cord on the outside, to power the motor that turns the shampooer brush. Having the shampooer on the end of the hose/wand does two things: Keeps the suds away from the rear wheels, where it can get into the transmission's gearing as well as allow for shampooing under things. The user controls the suds flow at the handle end of the hose.

Post# 303903 , Reply# 163   10/31/2014 at 17:41 (3,435 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan )        
Frkirby 560

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I just got a reply from kirby, and they said it will go on sale in December. I would not be surprised if some distributors got them sooner.

Post# 303904 , Reply# 164   10/31/2014 at 17:47 (3,435 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)        

Thanks for the info, Miskini!!

Post# 303907 , Reply# 165   10/31/2014 at 17:50 (3,435 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan )        

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You are welcome, sir.

Post# 303917 , Reply# 166   10/31/2014 at 18:35 (3,435 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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That's awesome

Post# 303937 , Reply# 167   11/1/2014 at 00:48 (3,435 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Kirbys aren't heavy to me,either,but for some folks-yes.

Post# 303943 , Reply# 168   11/1/2014 at 02:09 (3,435 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Does anyone else think this is a Plan B machine because of problems with the newer model? I just dont see how they can spend all this time and only come up with a new shampoer. I think something went wrong and this was the back up plan. In which case some were at Kirby they are working very hard to finish the new one.I really hope this is the case.

Post# 303947 , Reply# 169   11/1/2014 at 02:46 (3,435 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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Yeah I heard that

Post# 303952 , Reply# 170   11/1/2014 at 04:46 (3,435 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan )        
Gareth

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That's an interesting point. I had the same thought. Eventually, down the road, we will see something that resembles the drawing

Post# 303954 , Reply# 171   11/1/2014 at 06:22 (3,435 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I hope Kirby sticks with what they now have-The machines in the patent drawings just look to kludged and Rube Goldberg to me.I admire Kirby for sticking with what really works.

Post# 303955 , Reply# 172   11/1/2014 at 06:31 (3,435 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I have worked full time in R&D for a few years and Now still do it on a consulting level. It may not even be a design of machine fault but a tooling issue. The amount of times I have worked on projects that have been delayed because of a tooling issue I cannot even count. I remember once a project been delayed for 3 years because of tooling issues. It sounds ridiculous but it happens more often than you think.


Post# 303959 , Reply# 173   11/1/2014 at 07:09 (3,435 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Gareth

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That is exactly what is going on another delay for the TOTAL redesign the new Kirby is out there 😉 they rushed the G3 and had tons of problems they will never do that again .

Dan


Post# 303963 , Reply# 174   11/1/2014 at 08:34 (3,435 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Kirby Avalir

Dan,
Not familiar with the 3G Series. What were the "tons of problems" that Kirby had with the it's 3G's?



Post# 303964 , Reply# 175   11/1/2014 at 08:41 (3,435 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        
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You're right....this could very well indeed be the case. But why would they introduce the Avalir then?? The Sentria II was only recently introduced, they could have just put a 100th Anniversary label on the Sentria II & move on. Seems rather hasty of Kirby to release a new model just for their anniversary. I just personally hope the concept Avalir never sees the light of day....it's too "weird" & far-out for Kirby in terms of design.

Kirbyloverdan - Ok, now this is the second time you have claimed the concept Kirby is out & being tested. Where is your proof?? I personally think you don't know what you're talking about & making things up! Show us some actual PROOF that what you say is true!

Rob


Post# 303968 , Reply# 176   11/1/2014 at 09:29 (3,435 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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The G3 was the first G series Kirby. They were tereible by Kirby standards. The motors burnt out. The main motor plate bearing housing would shatter if you used it with the hose for too long. The powerdrives would pack up for refusing to go into neautral.The back wheel rubbers would shredd.

I have also gotten the distinct impression that this was not the machine that dealers were expecting. I was told on good authority that the new unit was lighter with major changes. When i called up my contact he just said yep sometimes things happen.

If you look at the patents online you will get a good idea of what the prototype looks like and its not what was launched.
You dont file patents for fun its expensive hugely time consuming. Their is a new kirby out there but its been held back for what ever reason. We can just wait and see


Post# 303970 , Reply# 177   11/1/2014 at 09:45 (3,435 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
Kirby

As Dan stated the first version of anything can have problems that aren't quite worked out at introduction.And depending on the company the introduction can be scheduled by management looking at a calendar or engineering looking at real life testing.The problems I have seen on G-3s that were greatly improved later include---Weak handle spring,Clip at top of cloth bag breaking,First gray fan developing tiny cracks that doesn't happen with the white fan,Switch unit (on/off-hi/lo-and safety in a then new unit)not durable,Rubber cord discoloring and cracking.A G-3 with newer parts or the newer Generations can be an exellent vac for someone who understands it,has a lot of carpet and doesn't mind size and weight.
"being tested"-As I,Dan and others know vac(& other)companies test products in normal to extreme areas.Part of the testing involves secrecy!Especially with an all new model.Car companies have road tested new models with fake trim and fenders for example to make sure it is seen when they want it seen.Years ago we were told at Kirby that Mike Tysons huge home and the Rock & Roll Museum were cleaned with test Kirbys.Locally the Bristol VA Electrolux factory tested prototype Discoverys years ago including one with a foot pedal release that did not make regular production.A secret at the time but if you were here I can show you one for proof.
Tolivac-Good to know I'm not the only one who knows Rube Goldberg!



Post# 303972 , Reply# 178   11/1/2014 at 10:16 (3,435 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Kirby Avalir

Thanks Gareth and Jimmy.
I had no idea they had so many problems. It makes sense that Aerus is having problems with their new machines now and explains why (somewhat) why those new Hoovers I bought back in 2008 were such junk.
I guess they were bringing so many new models and styles on the market all the time that they had no time to really test the machines besides attempting to build the very cheapest product they could put on the discount and big box store shelves.
Makes me appreciate our old Electrolux 2100 EVEN if it does have a WAY TOO SHORT cord!
From what you are saying, I have been lucky with my Black Rainbow then as it was one of the very first off the line when the black Series came out. It gets used almost every day and the only repair has been where I damaged a spring on the hose coupling.
Unlike many collectors, which have many many vacuums sitting in boxes or only used once in a while, these 2 machines get heavy use all the time.
The only problem with the Electrolux in almost 14 years was the cord winder quit.
Before that I used a Kirby Legend ll for years and years and Tom Gasko replaced the fan one time for me. Before that I only had Air-Way and it never had any repairs. Still works fine.

Thanks for sharing the information.


Post# 303986 , Reply# 179   11/1/2014 at 11:54 (3,435 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
gsheen

I forgot the rubber tread on rear wheels and power drive that needed to be improved and were.But I would not add motors to the list.I wonder if there was more trouble with overseas voltage than in US?

Post# 304003 , Reply# 180   11/1/2014 at 13:00 (3,435 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Possibly the 220v motors were not very good. But the biggest issue motor was the main bearing housing. That destroyed more motors than anything else.
I think every faulty one has been repaired though because years ago we got loads but nothing not one with that issue in the last year


Post# 304007 , Reply# 181   11/1/2014 at 13:07 (3,435 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Post# 304010 , Reply# 182   11/1/2014 at 13:24 (3,435 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Gareth

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You are correct the motors did have problems in the beginning plus the transmissions had problems from very noisey to just failing . Those switches were very expensive when the machine was first out I think they were over $100.00 USD .

Dan


Post# 304115 , Reply# 183   11/2/2014 at 01:34 (3,434 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Another G3 problem was when you were using the machine in the "Canister" mode-if you jerked the hose just right the vacuum would kick into the Tech Drive mode-SURPRIZE-the hose would be jerked out of your hand and the machine drag races across the floor-happened twice to me.Then it would make a resounding "BANG" when it hits the wall-No damage,though-just a big surpize.Anyone else experience this with their G3?Wouldn't think this would be too desirable if kids or pets were about.

Post# 304116 , Reply# 184   11/2/2014 at 01:36 (3,434 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

RugSucker-Us Rube Goldberg fans have to stick together!

Post# 304183 , Reply# 185   11/2/2014 at 09:00 (3,434 days old) by jscarlato (Clairton, PA)        
Rex . . .

I went into my Kirby dealer's one day to buy bags for may Heritage II. He asked if I had seen the new model yet. No. He unboxed a G3 and showed me how it was so much different than what I had. He told me to take it home and use it. If I didn't like it, bring it back. If I wanted to keep it, bring in the H2 and then we would make a deal. I kept the G3 and we made a great deal.

I kept the G3 until the G5 came out. Of course, the G5 was much improved, and it has been one of my favorites in the Generation line. The only real problem I had with my G3 is that the tread on the drive wheels wore down within the first year and a half and had to be replaced. At times, there was some jerkiness with the transmission, but at the time, I thought this was how the transmission normally behaved. It wasn't until the Ultimate G that the transmission ran smoothly and more quietly.

My take on everything is that Kirby wanted to get the G3 out into the market to herald the new decade of the '90s. Other than a different color, the Legend II was not different than the H2 Legend, but probably was brought to the market for a year's run to bide time while the G3 was being tested. As we know, the G3 came to the market and had various problems.

I could be wrong, but the whole new Kirby concept design is out there and being tested, but Kirby does not want a repeat of problems like the G3. So, my feeling is that Kirby stuck with the Sentria design to bring out the Avalir with black trim and a redesigned handle and rug shampooer and a different color bag just to have something out on the market they could call the 100th anniversary model. Meanwhile, the concept testing goes on. The Avalir looks like a Kirby, sounds like a Kirby (since it's a reworked Sentria), and cleans like a Kirby. The engineers need more time to make this happen with a new design without a repeat of big problems like the G3.


Post# 304205 , Reply# 186   11/2/2014 at 11:36 (3,434 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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Okay I understand now at least it's been tested

Post# 304254 , Reply# 187   11/2/2014 at 15:54 (3,434 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)        
Potential Kirby Re-Design

The drawings that have been displayed for the potential totally redesigned Kirby, do look like they have some promise. However, they represent more than an improvement or development of the basic Kirby design which is what every model we have seen since the beginning in fact is.

The core of the Kirby from its earliest concept as the Scott & Fetzer Sanitation System to the Sentria II is a central upright impeller with a shaft that can operate ancillary attachments. For this basic power unit, Kirby has developed basic/standard vacuum cleaning attachments and then other attachments for ancillary household chores. But the core of the unit has essentially remained a motor with an impeller and shaft. The whole thing has been gradually improved and developed. That was the Kirby method. Work with the basic design and keep improving it. Which they really did with each new model --mostly. The current models are really excellent vacuum cleaners.

The drawings we've seen of a redesigned machine not yet on the market, are NOT an improvement on the basic design; they are a RADICALLY NEW DESIGN that takes some of the features of the traditional design, and recasts them for this completely new thing. The power plant for this new design is not an impeller with a shaft; its something else altogether. There must be a fan somewhere in that power plant to create suction; but it looks like it functions very differently than any previous model. So this is not going from the 500 series to the Classic or the Heritage II to the G platform; this is completely new to the core.

As many have said, they certainly did not want the 100th anniversary model to have any chance of being a flop or be known for certain recurring problems.

If they eventually move forward with this radically new design --and we really don't know if they will--I suspect they need to back it up with an enormous amount of testing. Other companies have had these kinds of prototypes and never actually put them on the market. So just because its out there being tested doesn't mean it will actually make it to the market. But then again, it may. I would agree that it does seem to have a Rube Goldberg quality about it; but that may be just the drawings that look like something out of a Dagwood cartoon.

I hope the upright impeller design doesn't become extinct because I think it remains an excellent design all things considered --especially in terms of airflow. But I must admit I am also intrigued by this new contraption -- Rube Goldbergesque as it may be. Who knows what the future will bring. :)

In any case, the more I look at the new Avalir the more I am quite taken by it; the colors are beautifully reminiscent of the earliest Kirbys as many have said; and its really a classy design. Black tie for sure. Someone in an earlier post mentioned parallels to auto manufacturers, especially the Porsche. When we were at Kirby this summer, the head engineer said that they were in touch with the R & D at Porsche.







Post# 304258 , Reply# 188   11/2/2014 at 16:37 (3,433 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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Wow thanks awesome what did se say to Porsche

Post# 304322 , Reply# 189   11/3/2014 at 04:32 (3,433 days old) by godfreys_guy (Melbourne, Australia)        
CRI Gold Seal

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I have always thought of the Carpet Shampoo system as OK, but definately not as good as say the Bissell or Hoover steamvacs!

Now this new unit on the Avalir has got the CRI Gold Stamp, surely it must be great - Chemical change, re design of the unit... it must be a big improvement!

Any Ideas?


Post# 304578 , Reply# 190   11/4/2014 at 06:44 (3,432 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Joseph-Guess the Avalir that is out now could be considered the "Avalir1" and the real,newer design is in their works and testing being debugged.Guess it will be introduced probably a few years from now.Didn't know of the issues with the G3 other than the one I mentioned.The factory rebuilt one I have works well.Guess we will have to wait and see what the other "Avalir" is going to be like.

Post# 304580 , Reply# 191   11/4/2014 at 06:57 (3,432 days old) by jscarlato (Clairton, PA)        

Well, Rex, there was the Classic III, then the Heritage I and the Heritage II, then the Legend I and the Legend II (which is one of my favorites), then the Sentria I and the Sentria II, why not the Avalir I and the Avalir II? One can only wonder--and wait.

Joe


Post# 304746 , Reply# 192   11/5/2014 at 02:42 (3,431 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Already the Avalir "1" is on my want list-figure all I have to do is wait-the Kirby guy will call me when they come in.Have bought a few Kirbys from him-he is from Raleigh.

Post# 305001 , Reply# 193   11/6/2014 at 04:23 (3,430 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)        
Hose suction?

How does the hose suction of this new Kirby compare with the last few models?

Post# 305081 , Reply# 194   11/6/2014 at 19:36 (3,429 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Hose suction on the Avalir ...

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I would imagine is about the same as the Sentria II which is pretty good for an upright vacuum.


Post# 306006 , Reply# 195   11/12/2014 at 23:34 (3,423 days old) by kra ()        

I like it alot!

Post# 306055 , Reply# 196   11/13/2014 at 14:49 (3,423 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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I must admit, I was disappointed with Kirby's centennial machine. I was expecting something more revolutionary. Aside from the new shampooer and handle, it's nothing more than a warmed-over Generation series. What I don't understand (and probably never will) is why in 2014 Kirby still has the power switch in the base of the unit when some of their cleaners DID have a switch in the handle prior to WWII (the R series). It's an antiquated design, something I had hoped would change with the Avalir. But then, this is a company that didn't offer disposable bags until 1979. A carbon copy of the prototype drawings may have been too much of a shock to Kirby purists, but Kirby has gotten more mileage out of the Generation series body than any prior series, and a transitional machine would've been a welcome change.

- Hershel


Post# 306057 , Reply# 197   11/13/2014 at 14:56 (3,423 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        

The switch on the power unit is because the machines converts to other types of machines, ie, a canister, hand held etc. If they had a switch on the handle, it would complicate the set up for these variations.

The Toe-touch switch is very easy to operate and goes very well with the height adjustment and Tech-drive engagement.


Post# 306077 , Reply# 198   11/13/2014 at 16:48 (3,422 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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Well, it's a matter of interpretation but personally I feel a toe touch on/off switch on an upright is antiquated. And while they're at it, they could move the Tech Drive control to the handle as well. OR, offer a lighter weight upright with a 12 inch nozzle that doesn't NEED tech-drive. As someone astutely pointed out, Kirbys have been bulky ever since 1970 and the Tech-Drive certainly doesn't help.

Post# 306090 , Reply# 199   11/13/2014 at 18:45 (3,422 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Well then here is an easy solution

Don't buy one. Problem solved.

Post# 306096 , Reply# 200   11/13/2014 at 19:42 (3,422 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Power Switch...

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I have a Kirby G3 and a Sentria I. The G3 is pretty good but the Sentria is a BEAST. Probably due to the stiffer brushroll in the Sentria. I have never had a vacuum cleaner come close to that Sentria when it comes to carpet cleaning. The new Kirby seen in the drawings will not be released until all the bugs are worked out and it can perform as well or better than the Sentria I or II, and that is probably why the Avalir was released instead.

 

I agree with Harley - The power switch not only needs to be located on the powerplant for ease of operation, it is necessary because when the machine converts to canister mode, the long handle is removed completely.


Post# 306097 , Reply# 201   11/13/2014 at 19:43 (3,422 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
I second that

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Harley 😁 that's a very easy solution ...


Dan


Post# 306104 , Reply# 202   11/13/2014 at 20:12 (3,422 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
As collectors, some are missing the point

It's easy to be critical of a machine if you're shopping for a daily driver. If you're a die-hard collector, then it should be more about memorializing something that's greater than you are as an individual. It's much too easy for any of us to "arm chair vacuum critics", but the truth of the matter is that these machines are in production. Therefore, if you collect, you can either obtain one and maintain it as a piece of the Kirby legacy, or you can just get over it. There's no difference between the Omega and the Classic II or the Classic III. I'm totally ignorant about Kirbys but even I know that it was all about the subtle changes in color and fabric on the bag. The difference between Sentria and Avalir is not that different. I think it's a beautiful machine. Love it or leave it!

Post# 306107 , Reply# 203   11/13/2014 at 20:15 (3,422 days old) by jkbff (Dickinson, ND)        

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Why on earth would you have a power switch on the handle when all of the other controls are on the base controlled by your foot?

You walk up to the vac, unwrap the cord, plug it in, grab the handle, lower the head to the proper height, put the transmission in gear, hit the power and go.... All in one fluid motion with your dominant foot...

I watch people using our Riccars, you have to make a conscious effort to either release the handle, flip switch with your thumb or bend down and twist the height on the other side...

I know its an old design, but it works well. It is a fluid motion.. I don't think there is any other upright that the user can adjust or manipulate in the same fluid motion.

Now, the PITA is the nozzle with having to take it off and put the hose on etc. That is the antiquated design that needs to be changed or eliminate the nozzle removal and make a shoulder vac that is separate...

I just wished they'd add the rug/carpet switch back.. :(


Post# 306132 , Reply# 204   11/14/2014 at 01:40 (3,422 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I go along with the power switch on the motor of the Kirby Too.Keep in mind a lot of other vcuums are made this way-Canisters,Sanitaires,and so on.I do operate the Kirby switch with my hand,the switch on these can be fragile.Don't step on the button too hard with your foot.A hand is more gentle.Agree again-if the power switch was on the handle-would make it difficult or impossible for the Kirby to be used in the other modes you can convert the machine too.I don't see anything "antiquated" about the switch at all.Even older machines had their switches on the motor housing or the handle.

Post# 306146 , Reply# 205   11/14/2014 at 09:37 (3,422 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
switch location

I have no problem with the Generation foot controls but if we look at vac history--
The ROYAL upright with switch on handle could convert to a hand held with small handle,smaller bag and switch on second cord.
The Raymond Loewy SINGER had cordwinder with cord coming out top handle with no bending over to reach for cord or hooks,cord rewind button on handle,release for 3 position handle on back of handle grip,on/off at hand grip,and a floating self adjusting brush on a vac that would go under most furniture and did not need power drive.
Little is new and much is forgotten!


Post# 306154 , Reply# 206   11/14/2014 at 11:49 (3,422 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Switch Location

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It sounds like all those gadgets onthe handle would likely be subject to lots of mechanical/electrical problems. So why isn't that Singer model avaiable today?


Post# 306168 , Reply# 207   11/14/2014 at 16:17 (3,421 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
"why isn't that Singer model available today?"

Cost-Price-Money-Marketing
I think this was a relatively trouble free vac with proper supplies and service that would have been nationwide with any Singer dealer.When it might need repair some of the parts were a modular design for easy service.Many products start out with all features and quality and over time are simplified and marketed at a lower price that requires lower manufacturing cost.Think of the 1952 GE Swivel Top at $99.00 and 10 attachments becoming the still great GE of the 60s at $39.00 and just basic atts.The R Lowey Singer upright was updated with new colors and bag designs in the 60s but still had the A frame handle and winder with cord at top for deluxe models.It's last days were at WalMart in gray at a low price.


Post# 306276 , Reply# 208   11/15/2014 at 20:21 (3,420 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Using any model kirby doesn't require the removal of the long handle. It is convient to do so in small areas like cleaning a car or airplane possibly a camper that doesn't require the use of the floor nozzle.

As for a previous poster about the tech drive not making the kirby easier to push. It is in fact easier to push. Doesn't help with carring it up or down a flight of stairs. And yes with the convertabily of the machine you do need the controls to be foot opperated.

I personally like the general design of the kirby hand hope it stays that way. Like others said if you don't like what is out there don't buy it. I can walk past all the Dysons, Shark Navigators and all the others in favor fo the kirby and not think twice about it.


Post# 306279 , Reply# 209   11/15/2014 at 20:41 (3,420 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

The Rube Goldberg machine pictured above would still require changing attachaments which the way they are designed would take up even more room to store. Some of the the other "innovations" will be problematic and cause repairs that would other wise be unessary.

I'm a Kirby collector and probably would buy one at some point. Just not as my daily driver. I'm attached to my vintage 1987 Kirby model and will more than likely take it to my grave.

I have used commercial vacuums with the electric automated height adjustment and it just doesn't keep up with the pace. All the two motor machines are always getting clogged up with items few vacuums can handle. I know. I unclog them. I sent back to the suppler 4 commercial Bissel two motor uprights for that reason and also because they are just a pain to maintain. Just becouse it looks "cool" doesn't equate to performace, ease of use or reliablilty.

There will never be a piece of equipment designed of any kind that will be perfect for all.


Post# 312804 , Reply# 210   1/21/2015 at 11:24 (3,354 days old) by filterqueenman (Park City UT)        
Saw it in person!

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Was at the Home and Garden show this past weekend and the local dealer had one.  He was also selling off his last 3 Sentria II he had at a "show price" of 999.  He then was taking appointments for in home demo of the Avalir that he said he would have by months end.  Would not quote a price on the Avalir.  

 

Two things I really liked was:

1. The new carrying handle at the bottom is a great work in physics as it has about a 10 degree concave to it so it is much better balanced to carry the machine up stairs!  

2. LED light is very, very bright

 


Post# 312894 , Reply# 211   1/22/2015 at 03:26 (3,353 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Put down a deposit on mine then prepaid for it.Now the dealer is going to call me at any time to bring my Avalir to me.He was saying I was going to be his first Avalir customer.

Post# 312899 , Reply# 212   1/22/2015 at 06:21 (3,353 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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"lower the head to the proper height, put the transmission in gear, hit the power and go...."

 

Not to be nit-picky, but isn't it meant to be the other way around? Ie. hit the power, lower the head, put the transmission in gear and go?

 

I like the Kirby controls being all in one place. It makes so much sense, like with the Miele S7 with all the controls on the handle. It's tidy and efficient.

 

Plus, as others have mentioned, if the switch was in the handle, there would have to be wires with connection points to the base (like how a PN connects to a wand on a cylinder/canister) which would have to disconnect in order to convert the machine to a handheld or cylinder set up. But then once you remove the handle, you wouldn't be able to turn the machine on, so you'd have to include a remote hose and a handheld attachment with controls on it. This is all adding extra weight and cost to an already heavy and expensive machine, whilst also creating more things to potentially go wrong with it.


Post# 312902 , Reply# 213   1/22/2015 at 06:50 (3,353 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I dont mind where a switch is on a vacuum cleaner, as long as it is easy to locate. However, it makes more sense to have a switch that sits closer to the motor as opposed to something running up and down a handle, wire and component wise.

Post# 312905 , Reply# 214   1/22/2015 at 06:57 (3,353 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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makes more sense to have a switch that sits closer to the motor

Agreed. Especially with the set up of the Kirby where the handle is regularly removed to use the features of the cleaner as they were intended to be used.


Post# 312910 , Reply# 215   1/22/2015 at 09:06 (3,353 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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