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Thread Number: 27052
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
Riccar 'Immaculate' or Miele s8 'Uniq' |
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| Post# 302582 , Reply# 1 10/21/2014 at 16:17 (3,468 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
Look at it objectively. The cost to you to OWN the machine is much higher with the Miele. For example: Miele bags are 4 for $22. The Hepa filter is $50 once per year. A Miele brush roller for the Power Nozzle (when the bristles wear down) is $125. The cord winder assembly is well over $100 when the cord get a cut in it or gets run over and abraded. Does a vacuum really need to light up the ground under it? Does it need a velvet lined attachment compartment? The Miele has "Barbie's dream house attachments" in that they are very small. You can't dust anything with the Miele's dusting brush.
Contrast this is the USA made Riccar. We sell them in the Factory Outlet Store all day long. The bags are 6 for $18. The bristles in the brush roller can be replaced without buying the entire brush roll. Cost is about $20. The cord can be replaced onto the reel without buying the entire cord reel assembly. The attachments are AWESOME - the dusting brush is second only to the real Electrolux dusting brush. The bare floor tool with the Riccar is awesome - put a penny on the floor, place the Miele floor tool on top of it, and it cannot pick up a penny. The Riccar tool inhales all day long and the electrostatic pad dusts the floor while the suction vacuums it. The Riccar power nozzle has three rows of bristles and a steel soleplate. From the standpoint of COST of OWNERSHIP, the Riccar is a win/win situation. The Riccar suction is actually slightly stronger than the Miele. The Riccar is also LOTS less expensive than the S8 Miele Unique. | ||
| Post# 302584 , Reply# 2 10/21/2014 at 16:23 (3,468 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
Riccar/Simplicity 
Tacony products are far superior to Miele I own several Tacony vacuums and prefer them to any Miele I own .
I used to sell both in my store and feature for feature I sold more Simplicity vacuums (same as Riccar) than I did Miele once I showed customer how they compare part by part . Oh and the hoses are much longer than Miele Tom you left that out ;)! Dan | ||
| Post# 302623 , Reply# 3 10/21/2014 at 21:50 (3,467 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Gosh I think I want a Riccar after reading all of that.
In the UK we can't get Riccar but I do agree that the Miele S8 UniQ is all bells and whistles. If you're going to (still) go for a Miele, basic is always best IMHO but for what that Riccar model offers, seems like they're better built and better designed without needlessly spending on after care and consumables. | ||
| Post# 302645 , Reply# 7 10/22/2014 at 04:29 (3,467 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
The Sebo D4 Premium is £350 in the UK 
The D4 is $900 in the US.
Vacuums are usually more expensive in the US compared with the UK/Europe. No idea why, but it's been that way for a long time. Whilst it's possible to pick up a Dyson in the UK for £250-ish (about $400), you'd be looking at between $600 and $800 in the US. It's possible to argue that this is because it's more expensive for Dyson to ship their cleaners to the US, but even US made Kirby's can be a lot cheaper here. I've known them go as low as £800 ($1286) from a Kirby salesman, whereas you're looking at $2000+ in the US. | ||
| Post# 302648 , Reply# 8 10/22/2014 at 04:40 (3,467 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes indeed Mieles are very expensive in the US too.But still $1500 for the Riccar....... | ||
| Post# 302651 , Reply# 9 10/22/2014 at 05:30 (3,467 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 302652 , Reply# 10 10/22/2014 at 05:38 (3,467 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Just noticed Miele's top model cylinder is also $1500! It's £550 over here and i think thats expensive! They are being ripped off in the US!!!! | ||
| Post# 302654 , Reply# 11 10/22/2014 at 06:30 (3,467 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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They are being ripped off in the US!!!!
It's all relative though. Salaries in the US tend to be higher than in the UK for comparative jobs, so spending $1500 on a vacuum wouldn't be that much of a huge deal. High end, yes, but only like someone in the UK spending £400 on a Dyson.
$1500 is £934.41, which in the UK could easilly be someone's monthly wage if they worked part time or full time on minimum wage, but it wouldn't have that much of an impact on someone with an average wage in the US. Obviously, this would be dependant on someone's income and out goings, hence there will always be a market for cheap vacuums. But for someone wanting and being able to afford high end in the US, $1500 wouldn't have the same impact as it does in the UK. | ||
| Post# 302655 , Reply# 12 10/22/2014 at 06:32 (3,467 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Great to get responses from the board owner | ||
| Post# 302659 , Reply# 15 10/22/2014 at 07:01 (3,467 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 302660 , Reply# 16 10/22/2014 at 07:02 (3,467 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Definitely look at the Sebo D4 premium.It's a fantastic machine. Have a look at go vacuum review on YouTube :-) | ||
| Post# 302661 , Reply# 17 10/22/2014 at 07:06 (3,467 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha I have just paid £319 for a Dyson DC 41 mk2. I used to hate Dyson thought they were crap. Not anymore it has become my favourite upright and I own a sebo Felix and Miele s7.This machine has totally changed my mind about Dyson. It is just FANTASTIC!!!! :-) | ||
| Post# 302663 , Reply# 18 10/22/2014 at 07:27 (3,467 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 302664 , Reply# 19 10/22/2014 at 07:30 (3,467 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 302666 , Reply# 20 10/22/2014 at 07:38 (3,467 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Give it a whirl you might be pleasantly surprised. I can see why his marketing tactics get peoples backs up haha but they are a very innovative company and this latest model has come on leaps and bounds. :-) | ||
| Post# 302667 , Reply# 21 10/22/2014 at 07:41 (3,467 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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They would have to give me a 50% discount to consider buying one :-) | ||
| Post# 302673 , Reply# 22 10/22/2014 at 07:57 (3,467 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 302674 , Reply# 23 10/22/2014 at 07:58 (3,467 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 302676 , Reply# 24 10/22/2014 at 08:04 (3,467 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Better late than never :-) | ||
| Post# 302677 , Reply# 25 10/22/2014 at 08:11 (3,467 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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If I lived close by I would bring mine around so you could give it a whirl and give me your opinion :-) | ||
| Post# 302678 , Reply# 26 10/22/2014 at 08:29 (3,467 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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I'd stick with | ||
| Post# 302680 , Reply# 28 10/22/2014 at 09:13 (3,467 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Completely disagree about Sebo, I've been using them for years and have 2 in daily use at home. Probably best to go to the store and try them out to see which you prefer. Of course, a lot of the factors will be a matter of personal preference rather than any machine being any better. It's more a case of finding what works for you.
I can absolutely vouch for Sebo reliability though, if that's something you're looking for. The first Sebo I ever got to use was way back in 1998 and it's still in daily use today. | ||
| Post# 302714 , Reply# 30 10/22/2014 at 15:23 (3,467 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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It looks a well built machine. Hope it lives up to your expectations. :-) | ||
| Post# 302715 , Reply# 31 10/22/2014 at 15:29 (3,467 days old) by brok423 () | ||
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Before I officially pull the trigger, what are forums thoughts on the Sirena 2? I'm liking that one too all of a sudden. I also saw that Dan said Sirena would be one of only a few brands he would even sell if he opened a shop again. That sounds like some high praise. | ||
| Post# 302716 , Reply# 32 10/22/2014 at 15:52 (3,467 days old) by joshdonnell () | ||
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Sirena 2 There isn't a Sirena 2 | ||
| Post# 302720 , Reply# 33 10/22/2014 at 16:24 (3,467 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Dan the Sirena
Uses water as a filter it is an amazing machine but not everyone enjoys the clean up .
I think it's very easy to clean up but I'm into vacuums that's what you have to think about . Dump muddy water rinse out water basin dry and put away no bags ever needed no smells and dust in your home is virtually gone or at a minimal . If not the Riccar is the perfect choice youll be happy for many years . Dan | ||
| Post# 302733 , Reply# 34 10/22/2014 at 18:29 (3,466 days old) by Brok423 () | ||
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Thanks Dan! -Dan (also 😬) | ||
| Post# 302734 , Reply# 35 10/22/2014 at 18:31 (3,466 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Your welcome Dan | ||
| Post# 302791 , Reply# 36 10/23/2014 at 09:56 (3,466 days old) by Brok423 () | ||
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Does anyone have a suggestion as to what a fair deal on a Sirena would be if retail is $899? I still want to be fair to dealer, but don't want to pay full retail price either. Thanks in advance! -Dan | ||
| Post# 302795 , Reply# 38 10/23/2014 at 10:37 (3,466 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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The Riccar Immaculate (also the Simplicity Gusto) brush roller. Extruded aluminum with three rows of REPLACABLE crimped brushes, kind to the rugs but deeps cleans better than any other I've seen. The great thing is I get to sell these everyday to people here in the Factory Outlet Store.
Due to the Weight issue, I would choose a Maytag M1200 (or the Riccar Brilliance R30D) over the heavier Radiance, if you want an upright. The response from the public to the Maytag line is overwhelming. At $699, the M1200 is an awesome cleaning machine.
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Post# 302824 , Reply# 40 10/23/2014 at 15:46 (3,466 days old) by Durango159  (State College, PA) |
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Riccar or Simplicity canister
Forget the online MSRP prices for Riccar and Simplicity. I've never seen them listed for near that high in vacuum dealer stores. They are pricier than Hoovers and Panasonics, Dirt Devils but are a FAR greater machine!!! Mieles are more expensive upfront and overtime in bag costs, filters and parts. I've tried Miele and while they're OK, I leave it at OK in performance, attachments, cord length and many other areas.
There are numerous machines available from Riccar and Simplicity. The Riccar 1700 is a very powerful canister with full size power head with 2 rows of replacleable brush strips. Sebo and I don't get along due to performance issues!!! I agree with Kirbyloverdan on Sebo whole heartedly!!! I've tried many of their uprights and found the cleaning performance far below my liking. I've also tried the Sebo D4 black with ET-1 power nozzle. While the cord length, filtration and bag capacity were good, that's where it ends for me. I was EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED with machines suction, airflow, agitator, handle comfort at hose, handle comfort on machine, and many other features I found much more difficult and not user friendly. I love power nozzle canister vacuums and the D4 that a cleaning customer of mine purchased for over $900 on QVC was extremely unimpressive to me. My Riccar 1700 canister has FAR FAR FAR FAR better cleaning power and user comfort while being just as quiet. Just as an example: Both the Sebo and Riccar canisters have a variable speed motor for suction. With the Riccar I can accomplish about 85% of my cleaning on Medium Power. Full Power will just about remove paint off a wall. With the Sebo you have to run the machine at Full Power and it's not enough--- I constantly found myself hitting the increase button to get more power as additionally with the Sebo- the indicator for the variable speed is poorly designed and it's hard to know when you're at full power. | ||
| Post# 302829 , Reply# 42 10/23/2014 at 17:31 (3,465 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Great choice Dan | ||
| Post# 302885 , Reply# 44 10/23/2014 at 22:07 (3,465 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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I have ZERO | ||
| Post# 302913 , Reply# 45 10/24/2014 at 04:41 (3,465 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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That Riccar Immaculate looks a VERY nice canister. But it's not worth $1500. I'd like to know how much the dealer can buy them for? My guess would be no more than $500. So that's a 200% mark up!!!? Personally I wouldn't pay more than $800 tops! | ||
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Post# 302919 , Reply# 46 10/24/2014 at 07:40 (3,465 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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I have owned the Guardian Platinum for about 1 year now. There is a slight dust leakage. The vacuum does NOT shut off when the bag is full...only the light is supposed to come on however I have yet to see the light come on either. I had new carpeting installed in April and I was vacuuming up all the fluff afterwards which filled a bag however the motor overheated and shut off before the bag indicator light came on. After it cooled down, I used it the next day with a new bag to contiue vacuum up the fibres but this time I kept checking the bag. It became filled to the brim but still the full bag light did not come on. I put in another new bag and it is almost filled now and still I have not seen the indicator light come on so I don't know if it is just a problem with my machine or if it is just not ready to come on yet. I much prefered the 6500 model where it had the dial to control the bag full indicator light as well as the vac shutting off automatically. Otherwise I like the vac a lot. It is very quiet and the smaller hose handle, although still bulky, is not as big as on the 6500 (or the Legacy). The Guardian does have a longer cord (28 feet) whereas the Legacy is 20 feet. And the auto speed is a nice feature also.
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| Post# 302941 , Reply# 47 10/24/2014 at 09:46 (3,465 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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If you compare the Lux Guardian to the Riccar, you'll see a number of advantages with the Riccar. The WANDS first of all. The plastic, heavy wands of the Lux do NOT age well. The Lux brush roller does NOT have replaceable bristles. The extruded aluminum agitator on the Riccar creates airflow as it turns, bringing in more dust and dirt. The height adjustor on the Riccar is appreciated especially if you have thick carpet. The quick release wand on the Riccar is much to be preferred over having to bend down to release the wand of the Lux. The lack of HEPA bags for the Lux is a problem, as all paper bags leak some dust. Perhaps no HEPA Lux bags because Lux SELLS the pre-motor filter. If HEPA bags were used, there would be no market for the pre-motor filter. The Riccar hose is crushproof. Step accidentally on the Lux hose and it's flat forever. The vacuum's controls are not on the Lux hose handle, you bend down to adjust the suction and turn the cleaner on and off.
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| Post# 302951 , Reply# 48 10/24/2014 at 10:22 (3,465 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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The Riccar looks the better bet to me.I'd definitely consider one if they were available in the UK at a resonable price of course. When you look at the features they have improved on the Miele's | ||
| Post# 302965 , Reply# 49 10/24/2014 at 11:59 (3,465 days old) by brok423 () | ||
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Thanks Tom and countryguy. No more wavering. I just picked up the Immaculate. Happy camper here. Feels like Christmas early! :-) | ||
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Post# 302971 , Reply# 50 10/24/2014 at 12:30 (3,465 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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Post# 302980 , Reply# 52 10/24/2014 at 14:20 (3,465 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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Rob,
Having owned the newest black Rainbow and currently owning the Guardian, I can make some comparisons. 1. I don't really like the plastic wands either as they are bulky however they are lighter than the metal wands on the Rainbow 2. I have 2 cats that shed but I have never had any problems with cat hair getting wound around the brush roll. Maybe it is because cat hair is shorter than dog hair? 3. I agree about the quick release on the Guardian but at least there is the direct connect wands. 5. I much prefer the type of hose on the Aerus, Rainbow, FQ over those crush proof hoses. They are a little heavier and feel more solid but they are also more flexible and therefore less likely to knock something over when vacuuming in tight quarters. 6. The Guardian also has the suction relief and power nozzle on/off switch on the handle Gary | ||
| Post# 302982 , Reply# 53 10/24/2014 at 14:32 (3,465 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Every vacuum cleaner has it's faults. The perfect machine is yet to be produced. | ||
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Post# 303664 , Reply# 54 10/29/2014 at 18:01 (3,459 days old) by Sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO) |
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Immaculate congrats!
I have the Riccar 1800 and Simplicity S38, which are the precursors to the current models. They're great. I love them. I also have the Miele Uniq. Also a stellar machine. You ant go wrong with Miele or Riccar. I always steer people to Riccar, and everyone is happy with them. The Immaculate is at the top of the top, and you should have a spotless home and clean air wherever you use it.
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| Post# 304354 , Reply# 57 11/3/2014 at 09:01 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Very nice!!! I might emigrate :) | ||
| Post# 304357 , Reply# 58 11/3/2014 at 09:18 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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They have copied Miele's design though :) | ||
| Post# 304359 , Reply# 59 11/3/2014 at 09:29 (3,455 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 304364 , Reply# 60 11/3/2014 at 10:03 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I suppose so. I don't like that tho. I respect companies that come out with their own designs | ||
| Post# 304366 , Reply# 61 11/3/2014 at 10:09 (3,455 days old) by Magic-Clean (FL-GA) | ||
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Dan with regard to your Immaculate it looks great! Do the attachments store under a lid or are the clipped to the wand only? Thanks...L.P. | ||
| Post# 304367 , Reply# 62 11/3/2014 at 10:18 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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They store under the lid like the Miele they copied. | ||
| Post# 304378 , Reply# 64 11/3/2014 at 10:53 (3,455 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 304385 , Reply# 65 11/3/2014 at 11:02 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I wasn't suggesting they were. I'm just saying it is a copy of the Miele in every way. And I respect companies that come up with their own designs :-) | ||
| Post# 304427 , Reply# 66 11/3/2014 at 14:04 (3,455 days old) by Magic-Clean (FL-GA) | ||
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Dan would you be so kind as to share a pic of the tools and their storage area please? L.P. | ||
| Post# 304508 , Reply# 67 11/3/2014 at 18:54 (3,454 days old) by funeraldirector (Boston) | ||
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Riccar Immaculate Hey Dan, What a nice looking Riccar Immaculate. I must admit the color looks better in your home than my dealer friend's showroom. I think you made an excellent choice and will clean your home very well for a very long time. Brian | ||
| Post# 304513 , Reply# 68 11/3/2014 at 19:34 (3,454 days old) by Brok423 () | ||
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Here you go L.P. Full size tools. The tools on the Miele, while nice, are smaller. | ||
| Post# 304516 , Reply# 69 11/3/2014 at 20:32 (3,454 days old) by Magic-Clean (FL-GA) | ||
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Well the Immaculate is just that! Love it! Thanks for the pics! L.P. | ||
| Post# 305084 , Reply# 70 11/6/2014 at 19:52 (3,451 days old) by Brok423 () | ||
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Don't know if this link will work, but it shows the auto-open feature of the canister and what I meant by only opening 75% and still being able to open further manually. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Brok423's LINK | ||
| Post# 307613 , Reply# 72 11/29/2014 at 23:45 (3,428 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID) | ||
Yeah.... | ||
| Post# 307635 , Reply# 73 11/30/2014 at 12:00 (3,428 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I hope it's just a one off and you don't get anymore problems with it. | ||
| Post# 307694 , Reply# 75 12/1/2014 at 10:06 (3,427 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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| Post# 307745 , Reply# 76 12/1/2014 at 17:53 (3,426 days old) by vacuumfreak95 (Aransas Pass, Tx) | ||
I agree with Tom. 
The Riccar immaculate is nothing like a Miele canister....I've seen them both in person, quality and performance is night and day difference. Even the power heads can't compare to one another, the Riccar has a steel brushroll with REPLACEMENT brush trips and the agitation is second to none. The Miele's power head is weak with a much softer brush roll and doesn't have replaceable brush strips. Also Riccar has wonderful tools, like a real horse hair dusting brush and the best hard floor tool I've ever seen in my life! Not to mention they are actually usable...Miele's tools are like tiny useless toys.... Tacony never copied Miele, they simply made a better vacuum cleaner. The end.
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| Post# 307762 , Reply# 77 12/1/2014 at 19:30 (3,426 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Plus Taconys
Hose is much longer than any miele hose and the quality of the hose material is far superior .
Amazing high end Tacony vacuums are hands down better than Miele I have sold both in my store and always sold more Tacony (Simplicity) vacuums than Miele once I showed the tools and hose it was a no brainer . Dan | ||
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