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please help me identify a Vintage Bagless Hoover
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Post# 302287   10/18/2014 at 13:50 (3,448 days old) by Hooverjedilord (Hampshire)        

Hi, so I was watching one of my favourite youtubers, Ibaisaic- Roger, and in one of his old 1980s home videos he shows a leaflet for Hoover vacuums, he comments on a model that I have never seen before- and odd senior ranger style sweeper- but with a twist, it's bagless, it has a half a bag, and at the bottom a plastic container. Could some one please tell me what model it is, because I'v never seen one before today and if possible would like to add one to my collection. He mentions it first at 12 minutes and 44 seconds into the video

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Post# 302288 , Reply# 1   10/18/2014 at 14:03 (3,448 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Could it be the Powerplus DustCup U4302 model you are referring to? Follow the link to the archive thread on here.



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Post# 302289 , Reply# 2   10/18/2014 at 14:06 (3,448 days old) by Hooverjedilord (Hampshire)        

Yes! That's it, you know I think I have seen one of these many years back! Thank you for your help!

Post# 302291 , Reply# 3   10/18/2014 at 14:17 (3,448 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I have one of those, will try and post pics tomorrow


Post# 302292 , Reply# 4   10/18/2014 at 14:19 (3,448 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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I believe that is so...The FORCE is strong with you! Now, my only regret is: I so desperately wish I know how to spell that breathing sound Darth Vader made.frown 


Post# 302374 , Reply# 5   10/19/2014 at 09:13 (3,447 days old) by Hooverjedilord (Hampshire)        

So is the powerplus dust cup model- or any powerplus machine hard to come by?

Post# 302375 , Reply# 6   10/19/2014 at 09:45 (3,447 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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These bagged uprights with the dust cup bottom have been around for a long time in North America. Both Hoover and Eureka/Sanitaire have offered commercial upright vacs with this feature since probably the 1980's if not earlier. The system offers an easier way to empty a shake-out bag in commercial and institutional settings. Similar to emptying a Regina Electrikbroom, you shake the fabric bag to dislodge collected dirt and it all falls into the removable dust cup at the bottom.

Post# 302382 , Reply# 7   10/19/2014 at 11:00 (3,447 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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They were short lived in the UK. It wasn't a very clean experience. I too, had seen one in a shop and was very intrigued. I have had a bagged Powerplus before but much prefer the Senior even if it has a bottom fill bag. Anyway..I asked Roger about the dust cup model sometime ago (see link to archive thread).

Roger says: "...The Powerplus with Dustcup was launched in 1984 because I have a leaflet titled New For 84 that features this model, the bagged version and the first all plastic Dustette that was made in Hong Kong.

I owned the dustcup model from brand new and it wasn't long before I wished I'd gone for the bagged version as it was very messy to empty and suction dropped off considerably during use.

To empty the cleaner you were supposed to unhook the bag from the handle and shake vigorously so the dirt that lined the cloth bag fell into the bin at the bottom. Unless you waited a while before unclipping the dust cup, dirt would always fall onto the floor when the cup was released. I had to use a suction cleaner to vacuum the inside of the bag on a regular basis to keep the machine picking up and to stop it smelling...."



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Post# 302415 , Reply# 8   10/19/2014 at 19:44 (3,447 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I think one of the main reasons this cleaner was not great seller in the UK was due to the fact that not many retailers (be they physical shops or mail-order) chose to stock this particular model.

As to why it was not stocked, there are several possibilities. Bagless cleaners were not really as sought after then as they later became, because there were still a number of cleaners which could have cloth bags instead of paper, particularity in the cylinder market.

Another issue is the cleaner itself. Although by 1984 it was the most modern of all the Senior cleaners which had gone before it, the style was actually very dated and somewhat utilitarian in design. Had this cleaner been sold to the commercial market, we may have seen more of them.

Had the dustcup been fitted to the Turbopower cleaners (which, at that time were state of the art for Hoover), we may again have seen more examples. But the dustcup was a "new" idea for the UK and it was attached to an old model, and instead of reviving an old model and making it more modern, the reverse seemed to occur and a new idea was overshadowed by the dated cleaner it was attached to.

As well as that, it would have been confusing for consumers to see that the flagship Turbopower relied only on a paper bag, giving way to the idea that if they weren't bagless, was a dustcup a truly beneficial option in general?

By the 1990's, many consumers were getting fed up with paper bags, and the success of the permabag 'Freedom' range of Hoover Turbopower and Turbomaster cleaners shows what can happen if the right cleaners have the right features and are advertised accordingly at the right time. The failure of the permabag in this example is of course another story.



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