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Has anyone sued Dyson for false advertising? |
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Post# 301408 , Reply# 1   10/10/2014 at 23:46 (3,457 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)   |   | |
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Post# 301413 , Reply# 2   10/11/2014 at 02:29 (3,457 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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Some could say the same over Miele claim their vacuums will last 20 years. In fact Dyson one a court ruing saying Miele cant keep saying such things as the proof Miele had that their machines would last that long wasn't strong enough to merit that statement. Dyson claim their vacuums are designed to last at least 10 years.
Getting back to point, there are a lot of test codes at the bottom of those adverts, I guess they are something to go buy. Considering to filtration quality of the dyson vacuums with the vertical cone style filters, such as the dc41, I would think that the stamen of they never loose suction is somewhat believable. |
Post# 301415 , Reply# 3   10/11/2014 at 02:44 (3,457 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 301419 , Reply# 4   10/11/2014 at 04:04 (3,457 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)   |   | |
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Dysons with filters DO loose suction. What rubbish people believe about them maintaining 100 % suction. There are filters that need to be washed eventually!! Perhaps their new Cinetic cyclones don't, but I'd never spend that much to find out. |
Post# 301430 , Reply# 7   10/11/2014 at 07:10 (3,457 days old) by godfreys_guy (Melbourne, Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 301431 , Reply# 8   10/11/2014 at 08:31 (3,457 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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One thing that is true, Mr. Dyson is 100% wrong in advertising "no filters to replace." After continuous cleaning Dyson filters do wear out and the pores become so clogged that ultimately they have to be replaced. I seem to recall him also saying at one time "no belts to change." If that's true, why do the DC07/14/33 have clutches with belts that stretch and ultimately have to be replaced? How Dyson wins the British Asthma and Allergy Foundation's seal of approval is beyond me when the machine literally spews microscopic dust particles back into the air as you vacuum.
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Post# 301435 , Reply# 10   10/11/2014 at 09:18 (3,457 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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personally hate the old ones and specially the dc25 and dc24 cyclone technology is just terrible the filters get dirty so quickly The new ones with the new radial root Cyclone technology is fantastic the filters get barely dirty they're really easy to clean I don't l like the old ones is only recently Dyson's started making Great products and efficient cyclones and great carpet cleaning
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Post# 301454 , Reply# 11   10/11/2014 at 12:55 (3,456 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Josh what do you think of the DC33? I think the dc14 is better |
Post# 301455 , Reply# 12   10/11/2014 at 12:58 (3,456 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Post# 301457 , Reply# 13   10/11/2014 at 13:15 (3,456 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The thing is, so many product reviews I have read of late are by owners who haven't got an idea of what they own if they own Dyson. They moan about their Dyson vacuums "losing suction" when something gets clogged, which we all know is completely different from the filter design/cyclonic design.
BUt then that's from average consumers and most owners who wouldn't know the difference between a hard floor "brush" and a suction only floor "brush" tool. Im not counting collectors here because I would imagine most Dyson collectors know everything from the brush roll and their associated caps to all manner of body printing on the machine where components are concerned and where they can be located. I was also under the impression that the Fantom Thunder had Dual Cyclone tech - so how can it compete fairly with Dyson's latest or current multi-cyclones that carry the "removes more dirt than any other upright?" advertising claim? This post was last edited 10/11/2014 at 13:35 |
Post# 301468 , Reply# 14   10/11/2014 at 13:52 (3,456 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Dyson doesn't say removes dust than any other vacuum any more and it is now says cleans better than any other vacuum across carpet and hard floors and I asked Dyson what Machines is it tested against and he said they test many manufacturers and many machines what isn't allowed to i'm manufacturers. Dyson can't say any of his claims without proof has to be accepted by Industry standard They are the people that design the tests and approve everything and I do the Dyson DC 65 is tested against 98 different machines. Again Dyson is only recently perfected the Cyclone technology cyclones alone are allowed to filter out 0.3 of dust and allergens.
Dyson proves no loss of suction, best pick up, and 'overall outcleans other vacuums' using results from IEC 60312 Cl 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.8, 2.9, ASTM F608 and F558, and DTM 755— an independently conducted Dyson test." To prove this our engineers test for pick up performance across carpets (ASTM F608), hard floors (ASTM F2607) and hard floors with crevices (IEC 60312-1 5.2). To mimic actual use, they load machines with dust before testing (IEC 60312 – 1 5.9). Suction tested against upright market to ASTM F558 at the cleaner head, dust- loaded as per IEC 60312-1. Tested against upright market, dust-loaded, using ASTM F608, ASTM F2607, and IEC 60312-1 5.2, 5.9. 1To prove this Dyson vacuum removes more dust our engineers measure pick up performance using test protocols IEC 60312, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 and 2.9. At bin full DC41Mk2 Animal removes more dust in total from hard floors, carpets and crevices. This post was last edited 10/11/2014 at 14:16 |
Post# 301470 , Reply# 15   10/11/2014 at 14:00 (3,456 days old) by Marks_here (_._)   |   | |
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Post# 301477 , Reply# 16   10/11/2014 at 14:55 (3,456 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth)   |   | |
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I always love when people start talking lawsuits, that's like when I mentioned to someone that I was looking at a Studebaker Landcruiser and they said "Landcruiser is a trademark of Toyota and they need to sue Studebaker for copyright infringment!"
I'm standing there thinking OMG you're a total idiot, Studebaker Landcruiser was around in the early 1950's while Toyota was just getting past the windup car stage. |
Post# 301481 , Reply# 17   10/11/2014 at 15:25 (3,456 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Eh? Toyota started making cars in 1936.
Besides, the Studebaker Landcruiser may well have been first to carry the name but I seriously doubt Toyota or the Studebaker company would have to sue - the fact that both automobiles are completely different means the name can be applied to almost any kind of product if it is different enough. |
Post# 301499 , Reply# 18   10/11/2014 at 19:18 (3,456 days old) by cuffs054 (monticello, ga)   |   | |
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Having absolutely no proof (but that never stopped me) I believe Studebaker used that name on the horse drawn wagons they built a zillion years ago. |
Post# 301516 , Reply# 20   10/11/2014 at 21:30 (3,456 days old) by Marks_here (_._)   |   | |
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Oh I got hung up on when they were demonstrating the irobot where they had a shop vac there with a blocked hose & I asked them why don't they show how much suction the shop vac has by putting your hand to the nozzle to show us all how much suction it has because you can hear the shop vac whining in the back, they both looked at each other, they hung up on me & said we can't screen what people say on live tv & apologized for that call getting through...
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Post# 301518 , Reply# 21   10/11/2014 at 21:39 (3,456 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)   |   | |
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Yups you bet the did. The knew they were rigging the demonstration and some one "called" them out on it. |
Post# 301784 , Reply# 22   10/14/2014 at 08:43 (3,454 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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Studebaker DID begin life producing horse drawn wagons back in 1852 and the last car rolled off the assembly line in Canada in March, 1966. In fact, for the last two years they were in business Studebakers got Chevrolet engines. Toyota didn't start using the name Land Cruiser until after the company was long out of business.
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Post# 301790 , Reply# 23   10/14/2014 at 09:57 (3,454 days old) by Metaphor ()   |   | |
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Toyota started producing Land Cruisers in 1951. Studebaker still had 15 more years to go before folding it's tent. |
Post# 301793 , Reply# 25   10/14/2014 at 10:18 (3,453 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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The claim "no loss of suction" is used by most bagless vacuum manufacturers today. Since there IS a test protocol for such a claim, the manufacturers only have to pass that one test, once.
Even a Shark, with its single cyclone, makes that claim. Yet, the Shark loads its filters with dust after each use. I sell bagged vacuums every day at the outlet store. I tell people that bagged vacuums won't lose suction for the same reason bagless won't. There's a step the OWNER must do to make the cleaner not lose suction. Clean the filter or change the bag. I like Dyson vacuums - to a point. I think the quality of the plastic has sharply decreased. I think the quality of the motors has also decreased as they are now so tiny to fit into a ball. I think Dyson, while not a disposable cleaner, is a middle of the road machine. If the object of vacuuming is to get the rug clean, then a vacuum that offers true carpet agitation would trump the Dyson every time. As much as I don't like Kirby vacuums, they do get the rug clean. The fantastic Maytag M1200 has a great demo commercial where they compare carpet cleaning to a brand new Dyson. The Maytag makes the sand just six inches out of the rug and it's inhales into the Maytag. The Dyson just sits there without deep cleaning - sweeping only the rug surface and making it appear clean. |
Post# 301796 , Reply# 26   10/14/2014 at 10:51 (3,453 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Yes there is a test they have to prove No lot of suction but Dyson go beyond the standard. Dyson plastic hasn't decreased actually is got so much better and the plastic hasn't changed it has always been abs plastic and they made it flexible so it won't break as easily as others and again Dyson motors haven't changed in the last 10 years American still use the old Panasonic motor and in England we have just started using it again. If all bagvacuum cleaners had no loss of suction they would say on the machine or on the box on or on advertising. Test you said Maytag against the Dyson well I noticed people won't do with the Dyson DC 65 Is that now has agitation. The videos on YouTube the Dyson against something using dyson models are discontinued or haven't got good agitation is nun it comparing it to the DC 65.
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Post# 301864 , Reply# 29   10/14/2014 at 17:55 (3,453 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Yeah I'll The old Dyson were pretty brittle. Being owner of the new Dysons the plastic is fantastic Flexes a bit so it doesn't crack or Break under pressure. And some people on here just bought a Dyson DC 41 MKII all say how great the plastic is. And he's DC 24 quite an old model They had had problems Forget this is like a 5 6 7 year-old models you have changed a lot since then how the plastic is a lot better and they've made a little bit more flexible so it doesn't break.
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Post# 301875 , Reply# 31   10/14/2014 at 19:06 (3,453 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 301882 , Reply# 33   10/14/2014 at 20:08 (3,453 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Post# 301926 , Reply# 36   10/15/2014 at 08:34 (3,453 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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Post# 301937 , Reply# 37   10/15/2014 at 12:12 (3,452 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 301947 , Reply# 39   10/15/2014 at 15:17 (3,452 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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You Are basting this off all machines are been discontinued and personally i do not like. And most machines you can get today are all mostly made up of the same plastic just made a little bit differently. Dyson DC 65 was tested against 98 different vacuum cleaners and tested against machines you can get easily get from the store or online or popular manufacturers. Those YouTube videos are made against machines are discontinued they are not the properly test I know those machines that testing against the Dyson will probably out clean it until both machines get into popular stores and online they Will be on the last thing on Dysons mind to test. And fantom Cycling technology is just old Dyson Technology The same technology was in the Dyson DC03 and I think DC04 and dc05 the greatest cyclone Technology you can get now is in the The nearest ones you can get today The best
you can Get In the DC 54 that has no filter. |
Post# 301952 , Reply# 41   10/15/2014 at 15:58 (3,452 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Well hitting a fantom with a baseball bat Dyson has done it Dysons done it that far worse than just a baseball I wouldn't do it to the old ones are the old ones would probably smashed to bits. Industry standard is like A home test The dust in the carpet and I see which one picks up more that's all it is they do test on multiple carpets and hard floor is not that different from A home test is just Dust in a carpet see what machines get much the dust out. Also is a video of the DC 65 against the newest Rainbow Vacuum is a bit of a carpet with the Dyson guys over with the rainbow Rainbow barely picks anything up after the Dyson.
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Post# 301955 , Reply# 44   10/15/2014 at 16:11 (3,452 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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I know those machines and all out last Dyson Dyson is probably more likely to outlast vacuum you get from Amazon and Walmart places like that like that. dyson plastic vacuum you don't get the best lifespan out of them but you do get quite a good but not the best what are you going on about is Dysons the best machine you can get department store online any Bacchus machine and some bag machines. |
Post# 301957 , Reply# 45   10/15/2014 at 16:47 (3,452 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 301962 , Reply# 46   10/15/2014 at 17:04 (3,452 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Post# 301968 , Reply# 48   10/15/2014 at 18:14 (3,452 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Know everyone does not like Dyson I know that.someone will say to me about my post about Dyson no one say it to people won't stop coming on about Kirby and how is better than every else. I Only talk about Dyson when actually being talked about like this thread And A conversation is going on about Dyson.least I'm not going to every single theme and have to say something about Kirby and bash about Dyson no One will say anything about that.
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Post# 301969 , Reply# 49   10/15/2014 at 18:16 (3,452 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Post# 301971 , Reply# 50   10/15/2014 at 18:35 (3,452 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I was offended about the way you've carried on from reply 14 - stating tests as IF we can't all read.
As if many of the members how have never read it all before. Well before you, yourself has quoted it on here. Its not news you're giving out here, but constant Dyson propaganda that doesn't add balance to weigh up your opinion or responses. Speak from your own experience, rather than trying to use data. Furthermore we don't have Walmart in the UK, so you can't judge what they sell just from what you read from other member's responses on here. That doesn't give weight to how you feel about Dyson, let alone brandish every model that either Amazon or Walmart sells as ""plastic vacuums" that don't last. You're only 14. You've got a lot more years to experience whether a Dyson can last for 10 years or more. Or any other brand. |
Post# 301974 , Reply# 51   10/15/2014 at 18:53 (3,452 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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I know there is no Walmart in the UK I was standing from an American Point of view and in do you know what they sell as Theyvhave a website and I do have experience with how long manufacturers as my carer Had a Dyson DC05 for 15 years still works today And Had a vax for two years and it got completely destroyed on the same use of the DC05. You know what I will turn down the dyson setting please just Drop it got enough stress as it is. |
Post# 301979 , Reply# 52   10/15/2014 at 19:32 (3,452 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 302005 , Reply# 55   10/16/2014 at 03:11 (3,452 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)   |   | |
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Post# 302040 , Reply# 56   10/16/2014 at 10:52 (3,451 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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I have a 50 year old Kirby Dual Sanitronic 50 that I restored. It looks like new and runs like new. I would put my DS50 up against your DC65 any day and we'll see who picks up more dirt. Will your DC65 still be working 50 years from now? Will you even be able to buy parts for it 50 years from now. I doubt it! |
Post# 302044 , Reply# 57   10/16/2014 at 12:15 (3,451 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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How much do kirbys cost to buy? Around £1500. Then you have bags, which in the UK are hard to get hold of an expensive. And don't keep saying "buy off ebay, used" as some people are uncomfortable buying second-hand items such as a used vacuum cleaner, understandable.
Dyson only stopped support of their dc01's and dc02's a year ago. Not bad for 19 years worth of parts all over the internet for them anyway. |
Post# 302049 , Reply# 59   10/16/2014 at 14:14 (3,451 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Why should it be uncomfortable to buy a used vacuum cleaner especially when that used vacuum is a Kirby? Hundreds of used Kirbys are bought and sold on ebay every month which proves that there a lot of people that don't mind purchasing a used Kirby. If you replace the belt, brushroll, fan and bag then it is just like a new Kirby except for cosmetics which are easily remedied with a little Mother's aluminum polish. It's a small expense when you consider the cost of a new Kirby and the fact that it will last for decades.
New Kirby cloth HEPA bags are NOT expensive and are EASY to find. They are available on ebay or Amazon.com in 6 packs which cost about $20.00. That's just over $3.00 each. The bags are very large and a 6 pack will last most people about 2 to 3 years. The Kirby HEPA bag filters down to .01 microns which is just as good or better than any other HEPA filter. |
Post# 302051 , Reply# 60   10/16/2014 at 15:10 (3,451 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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There are people who indeed by used vacuums, but there are an equal amount who do not want to buy one, I presume because they don't like the idea of something like a vacuum which collects filth being used in someone elses house. Not everyone thinks the same my friend. I can understand why one wouldn't want to buy a used vacuum, or a kriby. They are not the easiest to use nor the cheapest to run.
Each tot heir own though! Try and keep it civil! I understand the performance and build quality on them is second to none and they are hugely admired. |
Post# 302052 , Reply# 61   10/16/2014 at 15:17 (3,451 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Buying second hand? My old SEBO X4 was a second hand purchase. Nothing wrong with it, came to me in excellent condition as stated with only a scuff down the side to the body. Owner didn't realise what a bottle of Cif can do and a damp hot microfibre cloth with a little time...When I went through it internally it had barely been used by the elderly couple who had bought it brand new.
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Post# 302053 , Reply# 62   10/16/2014 at 15:21 (3,451 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)   |   | |
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Post# 302073 , Reply# 63   10/16/2014 at 18:45 (3,451 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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LOL man114, you have a broken WHAT at work? I hope your insurance will pay for that!
Oli, $1500 is a stereotype. Call the distributor and say you want to buy a Kirby in cash, you'll get it for HALF that $1500 pricetag. Remember, Dyson isn't the cheapest bagless vacuum, but Kirby isn't the cheapest bagged vacuum either! depending on who you buy from, Kirby and Dyson roughly cost the same. |
Post# 302093 , Reply# 64   10/16/2014 at 19:40 (3,451 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 302094 , Reply# 65   10/16/2014 at 19:50 (3,451 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 302133 , Reply# 67   10/17/2014 at 05:47 (3,451 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)   |   | |
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SEBO STILL support their machines that are over 20 something years old and the parts are all readily available. |
Post# 302208 , Reply# 69   10/17/2014 at 18:58 (3,450 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)   |   | |
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Post# 302212 , Reply# 70   10/17/2014 at 19:20 (3,450 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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