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Post# 300801   10/6/2014 at 08:12 (3,483 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

On Saturday 4th October 2014, My so called Dyson DC05 "Absolute+" decided to blow up in the middle of vacuuming up plaster dust. I got annoyed with it, especially because of its condition.

On Saturday 5th October 2014, we went to the carboot sale and for £10, picked up a physically good condition Dyson DC14 Origin. The guy said it worked, and that we would not go any lower than £10 as it was £15 before, and that he had sold two others aswell. He also said that he is there every week. So. I purchased. The vacuum because I knew it is much better than a clumsy DC05 by miles.

Got it home, plugged it in, and nothing. So I unplugged it, and two seconds later I got a shock from the plug. The plug still had current?!?!

What I did then, was to swap the cable, motor and switch from my other DC14 all floors because it had a broken chassis. I then gave the machine a quick empty, and a filter swap from my other one. Switched the vacuum on and started with the landing.

'Vroom' went the motor, it was actually grooming well, and lifting carpets! When I had finished doing the landing, I decided to vacuum my bedroom and noticed that the sole plate wasnt fitted properly since I had changed the motor! So. I put it on properly, and vacuumed the landing again. WOW, the soleplate created a tight, satisfying seal onto the carpet and the brushbar made a nice roaring grooming sound as. I pulled it backwards. By the time I had vacuumed the bedroom, landing, and thin pole large area rugs downstairs, I noticed it picked up loads of dirt, and I had used a DC05 the night before till it blew up, and then a DC04 Absolute after it.

I am now in love with the vacuum, and think it is worth the £10 despite the motor being dead, but. I am impressed by the performance, it is the only upright vacuum I had in ages which actually seals to the hard floor. Some newer DC07's and 14's have newer sole plates with struts which are thick and stick out so that the sole plate can lose suction to pick up larger debris.

Pics of before and after the cleanup


Post# 300803 , Reply# 1   10/6/2014 at 08:15 (3,483 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        



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Post# 300807 , Reply# 2   10/6/2014 at 09:01 (3,482 days old) by PoconoVacMan (Northeast Pennsylvania)        

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Nice job! I wish we had gotten clutch-less DC07 and DC14 models here in the USA. They really look nice and look to do a nice job.

Post# 300809 , Reply# 3   10/6/2014 at 09:42 (3,482 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
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I'm no expert on US Dyson's but I did remember seeing this, and found it for you PoconoVacMan after seeing your message on clutchless Dyson's in the US.

 

Apparently they did a clutchless DC07 in the US, for Walmart.

 

Here's a link to a thread about them:

 

www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...


Post# 300813 , Reply# 4   10/6/2014 at 10:20 (3,482 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Thanks :) they really do clean much better than clutched Dysons, but are a bit louder

Post# 300828 , Reply# 5   10/6/2014 at 12:32 (3,482 days old) by tomvacuum10 (Northern Ireland)        
Cool!

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It looks like you have done a great job!


Though I wonder how that dc05 blew up... Any suggestions? Anyone...


Post# 300836 , Reply# 6   10/6/2014 at 13:02 (3,482 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Thanks Tom :)
The DC05 blew up because I vacuumed up plaster with it


Post# 300855 , Reply# 7   10/6/2014 at 15:13 (3,482 days old) by tomvacuum10 (Northern Ireland)        
I know...

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...I was being sarcastic...

Post# 300859 , Reply# 8   10/6/2014 at 16:10 (3,482 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Lol

Post# 300861 , Reply# 9   10/6/2014 at 16:33 (3,482 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

The shock you got was from the capacitor on the motor. It stores electricity. If the motor was working, it would have discharged the electricity in use. The fact you got a shock means power was going to the motor.

Many manufacturers inexplicably have the capacitor wired in before the switch, not after, resulting in the possibility of a nasty tingle to anyone who touches the pins. Moulinex were very good at doing this, but they were not the only ones.


Post# 300886 , Reply# 10   10/6/2014 at 22:17 (3,482 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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I was never impressed by the DC14, the thing shot more dirt at your feet than it picked up! surprised


Post# 300897 , Reply# 11   10/6/2014 at 23:29 (3,482 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Super-sweeper...

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I had that same problem with my Dyson DC07, when I had it. That happens, especially if you have cats. Whenever I went to vacuum up kitty litter, the vacuum always shot some of it back out at my feet.

Luckily, I don't have this problem with my Bissell canister, Hoover Windtunnel or my short-lived Eureka AirSpeed (before my dad gave it away). They all suck the kitty litter right up without scattering it.


Post# 300906 , Reply# 12   10/7/2014 at 02:12 (3,482 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

That's why you have a clutch to turn the brushbar off, and btw, These dont do it because it seals the suction, and your Dyson will need a new internal hose to make the self adjusting head work properly.



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Post# 300917 , Reply# 13   10/7/2014 at 06:18 (3,482 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
which actually seals to the hard floor

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What. Is. The. Point. of a vacuum that SEALS to hard floor? There's no pile, no fibres to sweep through, everything on a bare floor is surface litter and as there is no pile for any debris to embed into, sealing to a hard floor will only result in grit, crumbs and hair being pushed around and not actually sucked up.

Post# 300923 , Reply# 14   10/7/2014 at 06:47 (3,482 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Not only that but if a vacuum cleaner floor head seals to a hard floor, you'll have a jolly old time trying to move the vacuum around.

Anyone who has had a Vax Mach Air upright with the brush roll OFF on a level hard floor may well agree with me. I don't miss that Vax Mach Air for that design element alone.

Remember, hard floors are not porous vents like carpets. They react differently when suction is applied to it.


Post# 300940 , Reply# 15   10/7/2014 at 11:09 (3,481 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

We have a textured rug in tone of our living rooms and it means that the surface is UN even, this DC14 can seal itself onto that carpet as I push and pull it along, whereas others. I have had cant, I like it, I dont mind how heavy a vacuum it is to push tbh, I like power
I guess its important that the brushbar is well designed as well as the suction, but I think strong suction is important, for example when using the hose, it spins the turbo brush faster, and can suck up heavier things like what ever is in between car seats


Post# 300942 , Reply# 16   10/7/2014 at 11:12 (3,481 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
We have a textured rug in tone of our living rooms

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Eh? That's a rug, not a hard floor?

Post# 300946 , Reply# 17   10/7/2014 at 12:06 (3,481 days old) by Matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

How did you fit a motor from a clutched machine into a non clutch machine? Aren't they completely different? Also the sole plate would of originally had the ribs on it to stop it stealing to hard floors. The sole plate your machine has must either be very worn or an aftermarket replacement

Post# 300958 , Reply# 18   10/7/2014 at 14:42 (3,481 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Chris, the Dyson seals to the hard floors and carpets well.
Matt, I am pretty certain that the sole plate is genuine and in good condition, because when we got our Dyson Dc04 silver lime brand new in 2011 ( made in 2005), we tried it, and it was actually sticking to the floor, because it is the type of sole plate which is older, and does not have the struts which stick out, it has only one strut (excluding the belt cover) and the one on my DC14 is the same, but seals better due to more suction and I have added a pic below of the DC14 sole plate.


Post# 300959 , Reply# 19   10/7/2014 at 14:44 (3,481 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Btw all the motors in any DC07, 14 and 33 are the same, regardless of it being clutched or non clutched as well as the DC27. DC04 motors wil also fit, but the result is asthmatic.

Post# 300991 , Reply# 20   10/7/2014 at 19:25 (3,481 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)        
Um, Parwaz786...

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In reply to post #12, if I were to turn the brush bar off when vacuuming kitty litter on carpet, the vacuum would not do a very good job of picking up the litter.

I don't think my DC07 needs the internal hose fixed. One quirk with the DC07, DC14 and possibly DC33 is that the cleaner head doesn't seal to the carpet right away. I have to either 1) push and pull it a few times or 2) kick the head down with my foot to make the seal. Before it makes the seal, it won't pick up anything, but afterwards, it gets a little harder to push, the noise changes and it sucks up everything in its path. Certain vacuums sure have their quirks.


Post# 301008 , Reply# 21   10/8/2014 at 02:08 (3,481 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Trust me that the Dyson you own does need a new internal hose, as the hose acts as a spring to push the self adjusting head up, this makes it automatically seal, without kicking the cleaner head hard, it will always seal. It actually does make a difference, I have tried.

Post# 301012 , Reply# 22   10/8/2014 at 03:16 (3,481 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Chris, the Dyson seals to the hard floors and carpets well.

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I know, that's what I'm saying! Why would you WANT it to seal to a hard floor? It won't pick anything up, it'll just push everything around.

Post# 301019 , Reply# 23   10/8/2014 at 05:04 (3,481 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Chris, he's not getting it.

Post# 301030 , Reply# 24   10/8/2014 at 08:22 (3,481 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

No, it actually seals, but not THAT strong, but better than others, which shows how better it is on carpets, compared to the others by focusing the suction. I know its not the best for hard floors, but its not designed to be. It cleans carpets really well, as it is for carpeted homes.

Post# 301040 , Reply# 25   10/8/2014 at 11:03 (3,480 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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"No, it actually seals, but not THAT strong"

I'm sorry, but I fail to see what the point is that you're trying to make. One minute, you're saying it's good for carpets and hard floors because it seals to them, and the next you're saying it's not so good for hardfloors because it seals to them?

You're also saying that the thing that makes it good is the sealed suction at the cleaner head, but then you've said above that "the seal isn't that strong"?

"which shows how better it is on carpets, compared to the others"

Compared to what, Tayyab? What other cleaners are you comparing this against? Other Dyson's, other modern bagless vacuums, a vintage Hoover...what?

Like many Dyson fans, you're saying that more suction = better performance and that's not always the case. I'd much rather have a 250w low suction Hoover Junior with a nice brushroll and beaters to clean a carpet than a high suction Dyson with a crappy brushroll but plenty of suction. If I wanted suction, I'd buy a cylinder.

You're making out here that this DC14 is the greatest thing ever to clean a carpet with, but yet you're not actually backing this up with anything and your limited experience is working against you.


Post# 301044 , Reply# 26   10/8/2014 at 12:08 (3,480 days old) by Matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

*chants* JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!

Post# 301070 , Reply# 27   10/8/2014 at 15:12 (3,480 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        

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Waiting for someone's weave to be pulled out!! 😜 & clothes to start comin off. 😁

Post# 301071 , Reply# 28   10/8/2014 at 15:14 (3,480 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

No, I never said it was good for hard floors, and I was comparing the suction to the other Fysons I have used in the past few years. It's not good for hard floor, as it's not designed to be. I am saying it is the best Dyson in ages which can vacuum our textured carpet good instead of floating around with the brushbar skimming the carpet. This D c14 is better than them (I.e DC07 and DC07 Origin)
Yes you are right that the Hoover junior is the better vacuum for performance at the cleaner head, but I never mentioned any other vacuum into this thread!

Suction is not the most important a factor, but it is one of the important factors so that it can pick up the dust, and lift the carpet to bring it closer to the brushbar.


Post# 301112 , Reply# 29   10/8/2014 at 22:31 (3,480 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Lol Matt, when are the celebrities coming out to fight? tongue-out

 

Dyson wouldn't need a lot of suction if it didn't have so many tubes and turns, there's a reason why that little Hoover Junior can have a third of the suction power and still clean better....


Post# 301136 , Reply# 30   10/9/2014 at 06:00 (3,480 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Not sure what you mean when you say "suction is not the most important a factor, but it is one of the important factors so that it can pick up the dust, and lift the carpet to bring it closer to the brushbar..."

Its all about the design of the sole plate and how it meets the textured surfaces in the first place, how suction "air" is passed through carpet and thus allows suction of the texture to rise up meeting the sole plate. If the sole plate has unnecessary juts sticking out or if sole plates are damaged, it can prevent the vacuum from properly maintaining contact with the carpet.

However, in some cases carpets don't need a brush roll in order for the carpet to rise - again its all about the sole plate design and the way suction air is channelled.


Post# 301933 , Reply# 31   10/15/2014 at 11:27 (3,473 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Wow, the belt broke on this Dyson today due to jamming the brushbar with the edge of a ripped burber carpet wich is gonna be replaced soon. Anyways, whilst changing the belt, I noticed the grooves in the sole plate had no seals. I was amazed as to how it lifted the carpet without the seals. Think of the suction leaking without the seals, must have accidently binned them whilst refurbishing the machine. The suction is quite powerful, but I like it. I am going to get it seals now and then see how much it improves... I am blown away. The suction is that powerful that I didn't notice the seals were missing till I was changing the belt :O both of them are missing, will let you know how much it improves with the seals

Post# 301941 , Reply# 32   10/15/2014 at 14:21 (3,473 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

OMG. I just put new seals in from my spare dyson parts lying round and fitted them into the sole plate. Wow, this thing glues itself onto the carpets. Love it! It actually lifts carpet when I tilt it back, but not as good as the DC41 MK2 though.
I really like thiis vacuum , its deffo worth the £19 even though the motor was blown up


Post# 301981 , Reply# 33   10/15/2014 at 19:53 (3,473 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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LOL if you think that's bad,I broke a belt on a RIDING MOWER because of a rug!! The rug was laying in the driveway drying in the sun, I tried cutting across it...and forgot to turn off the blade! To make matters worse, it was the same day we bought the mower!!! laughing


Post# 301998 , Reply# 34   10/16/2014 at 02:11 (3,473 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

LOL XD were getting new carpets soon as we are having house extensions currently :)
Lol, btw our mower broke last year, the handle broke (it had a space saving feature) and it still worked, shame lol as it even had an emptying mechanism like a bagless vacuum like a trap door, and it had no wheels, it just hovered over the grass :D
This reminds me of my neighbours mower when they were gonna start it but the handle you hold to keep it onsnapped off :O they had to borrow ours then lol


Post# 302001 , Reply# 35   10/16/2014 at 02:37 (3,473 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

What did the mower do to your rug?Trying to picture this!I have seen giant peices of carpet half chewed by the Alamo road mower!Alamo has two very large belts driven by a hydraulic motor to spin the blade shafts.It is very powerful-Alamo has even cut down and chopped up small trees along the roadside!

Post# 302074 , Reply# 36   10/16/2014 at 18:51 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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xD the mower tore a hole in the rug and stalled the blades, the engine kept going but the belt sure didn't! that's what started my Snapper Riding Mower's endless stream of trouble, it burns trough belts like crazy! turns out I had been using 1 belt when the mower needed 2! gosh my pasture is getting out of control, and it isn't fun push mowing it! I rigged a belt on the mower the other day, and it started cutting grass again, until i went to start it up again and the solenoid caught on fire! laughing


Post# 302095 , Reply# 37   10/16/2014 at 20:28 (3,472 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        

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Vacuums, mowers & rugs. OH MY 😱

Post# 302122 , Reply# 38   10/17/2014 at 02:35 (3,472 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Too me Mowing is sort of like vacuuming a giant carpet.Used to have a Snapper rear motor rider.Replacing blade belts on it was sort of like replacing belts in a Whirlpool-Kenmore belt drive washer.Presently have a John Deere LA 145 tractor.And several rechargeable electric hand mowers.Love those-so quiet and no gas motor mess.

Post# 302188 , Reply# 39   10/17/2014 at 17:27 (3,471 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Several Electric push-mowers......Wanna mow your giant carpet in 20 minutes flat? Tie all the mowers together in a line, and pull them behind the rider! You can use an ATV and 3 mowers, too, if you want! laughing


Post# 302245 , Reply# 40   10/18/2014 at 02:50 (3,471 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Would be interesting---but what would the neighbors say?The deck on the JD can mow a path about 3 push mowers wide anyway.Use the hand mowers for the back and trimming the ditches where the tractor can't go.


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