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| Post# 300677 , Reply# 1 10/5/2014 at 12:57 (3,487 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 300679 , Reply# 2 10/5/2014 at 13:14 (3,487 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Could it be that the exhaust filter is not S class and carbon dust produced by the motor will escape from the machine? | ||
| Post# 300682 , Reply# 3 10/5/2014 at 13:45 (3,487 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Miele with HEPA filtration is rated A, Dyson with HEPA also rated A, Sebo with S class filtration rated F. I just don't get it unless the filtration is not as food as we are lead to believe? | ||
| Post# 300684 , Reply# 4 10/5/2014 at 14:02 (3,487 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
I found the video of the filtration also and there is a video of Dysons filtration but it's a really old model personally thanks for all the ratings are right I definitely agree with the filtration I never fought it was that good Bought it used to be good to what they used to say now I have seen this it leads me to wonder | ||
| Post# 300685 , Reply# 5 10/5/2014 at 14:05 (3,487 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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All I am going to say is wait and see.
Unlike other brands, SEBO are a private company and they are slow to release new updates. By the way it is the brands who make up the ratings for performance, efficiency etc - NOT the EU. So those ratings are something I just don't actually believe in half the time. | ||
| Post# 300686 , Reply# 6 10/5/2014 at 14:08 (3,487 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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That doesn't look good. But how come the British allergy foundation approve Sebo and I think a company in Germany gave them an S class rating? | ||
| Post# 300687 , Reply# 7 10/5/2014 at 14:13 (3,487 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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The ratings should be independent and accurate or what's the point. Consumers will just be getting false and misleading information. If you're an allergy sufferer that could be quite serious! | ||
| Post# 300706 , Reply# 8 10/5/2014 at 15:16 (3,487 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Yes they should be accurate but thats the trouble with the EU rating labels in general - they're not exactly accurate and often causes confusion for buyers, even with larger appliances like washing machines and plenty of other appliances that have to carry then by law.
It has only been three weeks since SEBO updated their site in the UK with the new Eco models Marcus - I think you are being highly unfair. Other brands have the same problem where their ratings don't quite add up. Also the X has a carbon filter by the motor, so I would imagine that's not where the emissions rating has been taken from. On the basis that the air flows outside of the bag's design on the SEBO and hasn't been updated, the S class filtration and indeed HEPA filtration is far older than the emissions testing process developed by the EU. You have to understand that, surely? Again with the BAF approval - that was implemented well before ALL of the ratings applied by the new EU law. | ||
| Post# 300729 , Reply# 11 10/5/2014 at 18:01 (3,487 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK) | ||
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I don't understand it either but the Felix I've used has been great with trapping particles. The X machine only has a sponge after the motor. It might be best you speak to Sebo Germany to ask them for more details. Would be interesting to know. | ||
| Post# 300737 , Reply# 12 10/5/2014 at 20:36 (3,487 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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You don't seem to understand, Marcus - the testing is done by the brands themselves. SEBO are currently updating their ranges and they won't be happy with the ratings that they've found. Rest assured in time they will update the filtration on the SEBO to gain a higher reading. They're not one to back down on data!
Take the example of my Electrolux/Zanussi Airspeed Lite. It gets a C rating for hard floor cleaning - well not by my standards. I'd give it an B - it picks up better and also picked up cat pellets where the X failed to do. I don't agree with the ratings that have been applied - but updating the vacuums in time to reflect better ratings are being done by plenty of brands at the moment. You may want customers to get accurate readings, but in all honesty these EU labels are not accurate at all. Another example: Miele cylinder vacs - the old S6 versus the S2 model. S2 has 700 watts, the S6 has 800 watts. Quite surprised on the "ratings" given here. 
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| Post# 300743 , Reply# 13 10/5/2014 at 20:51 (3,487 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 300769 , Reply# 14 10/6/2014 at 00:27 (3,487 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Well if it leads to manufaturers making improvements then thats a good thing. Hopefully we will see Sebo achieve A ratings in the future. I hope so because they are my favourite brand, with Miele a close 2nd. | ||
| Post# 300773 , Reply# 15 10/6/2014 at 01:29 (3,487 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK) | ||
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X Series Filters I wonder why the Hepa class filter for the X series hasn't been marketed over here although it's been available in the US for ages..... Any ideas Sebo_fan? Seamus CLICK HERE TO GO TO SeamusUK's LINK on eBay | ||
| Post# 300804 , Reply# 16 10/6/2014 at 08:32 (3,487 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 300810 , Reply# 17 10/6/2014 at 09:43 (3,487 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton) | ||
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| Post# 300814 , Reply# 18 10/6/2014 at 10:28 (3,487 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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If the HEPA filter leaked it was poorly designed. Miele's HEPA filter is excellent! S class standard is just as good as HEPA removing 99.97% of particles at 0.3 microns. | ||
| Post# 300815 , Reply# 19 10/6/2014 at 10:41 (3,487 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Sebo fan just got an email from Sebo UK. They told me the F rating is down to the carbon dust produced by the motor which they say is non allergic.I thought that might have been the reason. :-) | ||
| Post# 300835 , Reply# 21 10/6/2014 at 12:59 (3,486 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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To be honest I don't believe that
Frankly I don't care.
Furthermore, that's what SEBO UK told me when I enquired about yellow filters. I thought the HEPA filter was all new and something that was coming to the UK. That and the clear acrylic made SEBO X4 is produced in the U.S, which is also not available to buy in the EU As for the exhaust filter, thanks for letting me know Marcus. SEBO UK also emailed about it and mentioned that though the rating is high, the carbon emissions are not harmful. | ||
| Post# 300921 , Reply# 23 10/7/2014 at 06:42 (3,486 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Thing is though, from memory with my TP2 models, the carbon that used to get onto those microfilter cloth bits were only half of the carbon that came off the motor. The X has a different design where most of the carbon is contained on that foam sponge alone.
SEBO may well have found that the sponge filter is more of a non-porous type filter, though it eventually turns black on both sides. I don't know. Best to email them to find the correct solution. | ||
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