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My DC41 MK2. I must be mad!
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Post# 298110   9/12/2014 at 10:08 (3,485 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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All of this EU regulation on vacuum cleaners topic is genuinely shaking up the industry for the first time in over 20 years, previously done by Dyson, arguably.

I am in no position to really comment on Dyson models built within the last 5 years or so as, I haven't owned one. I did have a DC24 about 2 years ago, which to be honest, wasn't too bad. Had quite good suction and relatively good agitation and a very nice set of tools, but is really suited for people with small homes and a lot of money to spend on a small cleaner - I thought it was a bit over priced, but this is Dyson we are talking about, a lot of his products are.

Browsing through argos.co.uk as I usually do quite often, especially since these regulations, looking at what new vacuums are appearing, and I noticed the DC41 MK2 has been reduced to £319.99. I had a £10 argos voucher which needed to be used by next week. I work from home and had nothing to do today so I went to my local argos shop to pick it up, surprisingly, it was in stock.

So I now have a brand new Dyson to add to my collection 4 vacuums (I know, not a lot at all really). All in all, I am very impressed with this machine. You can see Dyson's views and opinions very apparent in the literature supplied with every one of these models. Hahah!

I can also confirm the specifications on this vaccum. It is 700 watts, ratted at 198 air watts, which is very impressive, and represents a very efficient motor.

The DC41 MK2 has this new 700 watt motor, along with a redesigned floor head, which dyson claim is 75% more powerful. It certainly feels powerful and makes a lovely low pitched hum, similar to a sebo felix or miele s7's brush bar motor. It agitates the carpets incredibly well, and the head is very much sealed onto the carpets. I thought the active baseplate was a bit of a novelty, but it must be working, as going from low to high piled carpets, there is no change in how much effort is needed to push and pull the vacuum. This model also has something I have never seen before. As you can see in the picture, it has a slider bar which raises or lowers a rubber lip, which controls the seal of suction at the head. A very cleaver idea as this means light weight rugs you can raise the lip so there is suction leak so it doesn't stick as much, and on thick piled heavy rugs and carpets, lower it to create a good seal.

The brush bar is massively improved on the DC41, as they left some horrible streaks of dirt on the carpet due to sparse brushes and plastic spacers, whatever they are. This only leaves one, quite large one however which I think is the belt drive. It is very easy to push and pull as the brush bar pulls it forward, and the machine is well weighted and the head has micro rollers which assist the manoeuvrability.

The ball takes some getting used to, especially after using something like a sebo felix. The ball makes for tighter turns, but requires more effort to steer, although this is getting better with use, as I am guessing the rubber seals and wheels are wearing in. Surpassingly, it gets under beds and furniture better than I thought, but of course doesn't go completely under.

The suction is very good indeed. It really is. You would never know this is 700 watt, or any different to a normal dc41 with a 1400 motor. There is supposedly 57 watts difference, with the mk2 having the disadvantage, but I cant imagine it makes that big of a difference. It is very effective at carpet cleaning. Hard floor cleaning with this is brilliant. It doesn't stick to the floor as you can raise the lip however much you want, meaning larger dirt and debris is collected rather than pushed around. Edge to edge cleaning is very good on both sides.

The tangle-free turbine head, again I thought was a novelty, but it is the east turbo hand tool I have ever used. It is amazing, and vibrates anything you are cleaning, something I have never experienced. The brushes are quite stiff, it grooms the carpet and of course, doesn't get tangled in hairs. It also floats and adjusts to contours in sofas and cushions.

Surprisingly, a lot of the parts on this vacuum are quite substantial. The cable is thicker than it is on a lot of vacuums, yet the rubber is very soft and flexible. Will you just look at the plug? Beautifully deigned and is worth a snapshot! The whole vacuum I think is quite attractive. It isn't beautiful like an old Hoover or Kirby, but it looks futuristic, and I haven't found any hindrances in the practicality. It is very easy to use.

It has no pedal to recline it as a lot of us know, instead works on pressure. It is easier than I thought to use. You can wheel it around, but you have to lean it back and try not to put much pressure on the handle to do this. Most of the time it works. Other times, it is tricky to make sure it is clicked in the upright position. Probably my biggest grumble with this vacuum so far.

Another thing worth mentioning is the heat pollution, if you could call it that, or the lack of. It appears these lower powered motors emit much less heat than your 1,400 - 2,000 watt motors. The air which comes out is barley warm. It is also very quite, doesn't scream. It is a very pleasant sound.

The dirt bin is relatively large at 2.1 litres, and this has collected a lot of dirt. I vacuumed right through two days ago with a sebo felix, yet the dyson has still pulled out a considerable amount of debris, and very fine dust. The bins has very good rubber seals and not a spec of dust has leaked from the bin.

Filtration quality is second to none. I honestly haven't touched the filter in terms of washing it. I just pulled it out after 1 hour and 15 minutes usage. Not a spec of dust. Those cyclones are really doing their job. The HEPA filter also doesn't have any carbon dust on it. I wouldn't expect too much after just over an hours use, but on some other vacuums, carbon dust would have already settled on the post motor filters. Could this also be to do with the lower wattage ?

There is also a flap cover near the motor, which you can use to get any blockages out.

The build quality is better than I expected. After reading various reports and opinions from people claiming they are flimsy and fragile, I tend to somewhat disagree. The design of this vacuum is forgiving. I am in the motor trade, as was my father for some 50 years, and the materials such as ABS tend to appear flimsy, but that is done deliberately so it absorbs energy. Case in point, the cable storage plastic "lugs" on the back of the machine bend and flex a lot, but they will not brake. I have tried. There is no white stress marks either, like there would be on a cheaper plastic. I have nod doubt that some of these parts could and have broken on dysons, but they are much better designed and made than I thought.

I do love this machine, but I wouldn't pay over £400 for one. £320 seems a reasonable price. Get one at the price point or lower and it is very worth while.


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Post# 298112 , Reply# 1   9/12/2014 at 10:54 (3,485 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        
Looks very nice!

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Looks like this model is superior to both the original DC41, and the US DC65 (which was improved in several ways over its predecessor). I think I'd prefer this machine over the DC65. Like the DC41, the DC65 leaves strange brushbar marks (asymmetrical) on the carpeting, but they both do a very good job. The DC65 doesn't glue itself to hard flooring like the DC41. I'd like to see how that red adjustment slider works, as well.

A big part of the reason why newer Dysons have such fantastic filtration is the shroud in the bin. Instead of having large holes, it's now a mesh screen, so only very fine dust has an opportunity to make it into the cyclones. My Dyson DC59 stick vac has a similar shroud and setup, and the filter is still nearly spotless after 6 months of regular use. The mesh shroud, however, does have more dirt cling to it than the old style. I find myself having to disassemble the dirt cup, and clean the screen more often than I did on my DC35.

Thanks for the nice pics! I've been curious about this model. Dyson's methods of acknowledging the new energy laws have been really funny. Could you possibly post a picture of the underside of the cleaner head?


Post# 298113 , Reply# 2   9/12/2014 at 11:09 (3,485 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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handsome, nice color.

Post# 298116 , Reply# 3   9/12/2014 at 11:26 (3,485 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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@henrydreyfuss

Yes, you are right! I noticed that mesh grill instead of the holes. Also, those cyclones must have something to do with it as well. A good filtration quality is so much more than just stuffing cyclones in the dust bin. They have to be a certain height, diameter and depth, and I imagine Dyson engineers are constantly improving and enhancing these properties. There is a picture of underneath the floor head, exposing the brush bar. Thought I uploaded it, but here it is.

I just gave my car a quick vacuum with the dc41mk2 with the tangle-free turbine tool and I am even more in love with it and the vacuum. The Dyson is very stable and you can wiggle the hose as much as you want and it doesn't tip over. Also the turbine tool really does mould to the curves and contours of a car interior. I have an Audi A6, so it isn't a small car. I did it all in about 8 minutes. Very good. I imagine the car cleaning kit helps you get into the crevices etc easier.

@suckolux - Thank you. I am sure you are referring to the vacuum :P


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Post# 298121 , Reply# 4   9/12/2014 at 12:30 (3,485 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Good review and photos. I like some of the features that you describe, though I thought the seal around the sole plate adjusts automatically? Does that still occur?



Post# 298124 , Reply# 5   9/12/2014 at 12:53 (3,485 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Yes, it still has an active baseplate which, as I said, works very well. The rubber lip at the front you raise if it is still hard to push, because the suction seal is so good, raise the lip breaks the seal so it is easier to push, also good for large debris on carpets and hard flooring.

Post# 298127 , Reply# 6   9/12/2014 at 13:13 (3,485 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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You're not mad, the only thing that justifies this purchase is the $10 voucher! laughing

 

I'm glad to see Dyson has improved it's vacuums, my DC07 has been heartache since day one! However,I can picture the handle-release failing easily! surprised


Post# 298131 , Reply# 7   9/12/2014 at 14:05 (3,485 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Nice overview oliveoiltinfoil and great pictures too of the DC41 MK2. Looks a nice vacuum cleaner and some great improvements over the original DC41. I bet the 700 watt motor is a nice welcome no high pitch motor noise anymore. Seems more powerful than the DC50 too although that has a 650 watt motor if I'm correct. I see there is only one strip of brush turfs along the brush bars each side of the motor pulley like the DC40 had! Sounds like it grooms well though especially if that's what it pulled from your carpets having previously used your SEBO Felix. Does the rubber seal strip go all the way around the head/soleplate? Looks like it does from your picture.

Last Dyson I purchased was the DC15 Ball in 2005! I wouldn't want to use this Dyson Ball on my tiled floors as it would scratch it. That's what I liked about the DC15 the small rollers on the metal soleplate where rubber and so was the stripes around the main ball. These 3rd gran ball Dyson's, it all hard plastic on the main ball and the small rollers on the soleplate which to me would scratch or could scratch hard floors.

Does anyone know if Dyson has updated the DC40 like this DC41 MK2, lower watt motor updated brush bar and soleplate? Just wondered.


Post# 298136 , Reply# 8   9/12/2014 at 14:22 (3,485 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Looking on Curry's website Dyson has updated the DC50 2015 model now has an 850 watt motor compared to the original one which Curry's is still selling still online which had a 700 watt motor. I noticed the DC40 2015 model and that has a 700 watt motor like the DC41 MK2.

Seems to be a theme with these new Eco models using 700 watt motors. Suppose that is due to allow for any additional motor used to power the brush bar or power head.


Post# 298142 , Reply# 9   9/12/2014 at 16:58 (3,485 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Very nice detailed review. Thank you, I am considering the DC41 mk2 this year, if not next year, it's what I really admire :) though I have just purchased an ex condition DC04 Absolute+ for the bargain price of £20, so will need to get rid of some vacs to make room again.
I hope you will benefit from using the Dyson DC41 MK2 vacuum for over five years. Please keep us updated if this machine fails or continues to go strong :)
Kind Regards


Post# 298151 , Reply# 10   9/12/2014 at 17:44 (3,485 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

Thanks for an informative review.

The DC41 MK2 is rated at 100 air watts not 198. I remember Dysons specs for the DC24 was 120 air watts and then suddenly after a few years it then said 100 air watts. The DC41 Mk2 Still very expensive for what it is. I'm very intruiged by what Vax has to offer and Sebo.


Post# 298152 , Reply# 11   9/12/2014 at 17:53 (3,485 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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It really is a lovely vacuum, and this is from someone who knows what a good run of the mill vacuum is. I have had many and this is right up there, in terms of ease of use more than anything.

The performance is just so good. Yes, it is only one strip of bristles, but they are very effective, and the brush spins incredibly fast, like you really notice it. The head jolts as you turn it on. There is about a 1 second delay form when you recline it to the brushmotor spinning, and when it does, you can feel the head jolting through the handle. It also has weights inside it which you can see, which further helps with the agitation. It is just a very effective vacuum. The tangle-free turbine is just epic. You have to sue it to understand. Very easy to use. If this is what Dyson has in store for us from now on, they really have come on leaps and bounds in terms of performance. Put it this way, this dyson feels like its worth the money.

Yes madaboutsebo, Dyson have updated all their model to meet the EU regulation, including the DC40, which looks like they have fitted it which looks like they have fitted it with a similar head to this, as well as increasing the air watts on the dc50 by 20 to 160.


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Post# 298153 , Reply# 12   9/12/2014 at 18:04 (3,485 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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When I ordered mine I asked lots and lots of questions about it any said it's definitely 198aw when I was talking to the Man said been having lots of problems with their website no things on there that shouldn't be and are wrong said Summerbridge turn something isn't that it should say cleans better than any other vacuum and what is the suction of any other upright vacuum at the clean head and 198aw and in the Argos catalogue it says as 160 what's at the head can't be just 100. And also I took pictures of the website when it was first available. It is the best backing cleaner I've ever had is expensive but definitely worth the money hope you enjoy yours and you have lots of life out of it

Post# 298162 , Reply# 13   9/12/2014 at 21:08 (3,485 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
reply #11,

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I have to sue it to understand? I thought Dyson did all the suing! tongue-out


Post# 298192 , Reply# 14   9/13/2014 at 03:41 (3,485 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Hahah! "Use" it of course ;) I am always doing that typo. Seriously though, you have to sort of see it to believe it.

This is an example of the agitation done by this kid who has a YouTube channel. I don't think much of his actions in the way he treats the vacuums, goes backwards and forwards far too quickly, but it gives you an idea of what this machine is like.












Post# 298196 , Reply# 15   9/13/2014 at 05:01 (3,484 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Cool, I like the video, I think it was nice of the uploader of the vid to also show us the latest Dyson because we always wonder what they are like :)
Oliveoiltinfoil, does your DC41 actually beat the carpet?


Post# 298198 , Reply# 16   9/13/2014 at 05:09 (3,484 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I must get one, I have a dc41 ,42( 40) and dc51(50) The old 41 is great the suction is incredible  . I have never seen a clean air vacuum that sticks to the floor like it does, But that's my only issue with the old 41, Its so powerful it sticks to loose carpets and hardflooring like glue. That new cleaner head looks like it will do the trick. 

 

I wonder if we will get it in SA this time


Post# 298206 , Reply# 17   9/13/2014 at 06:10 (3,484 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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@parwaz - There are no beater bars as such, but it does "beat" the carpet. It shakes the dirt and it bounces around like I have never seen on any vacuum to be honest, coupled with the way it sticks to the carpet, it really does deep clean. It gives any Miele or Sebo a run for its money for carpet performance, and hardfloor cleaning, it is certainly the best I have used. It doesn't scratch or leave any marks either, as although the ball is made of plastic, it is polycarbonate and doesn't scratch the floor.

@gsheen - Yes. The rubber lip/seal really does help. When you have it on "max", it lowers the lip to create a tight suction seal, great for carpets, but if you put it on hard flooring with that seal down, you can NOT move it and it actually engages the suction release valve. You have to raise the lip to break the suction seal, it Is that effective. It also means large chunks of dirt like Mr Thors cat litter fits underneath the head. This also works for if you have a low piled carpet and it is hard to push, or if the carpet has large debris.

It is an exceptionally well engineered vacuum and I am increasingly liking it more and more. Dyson really have sorted out the performance differences. I still cant get over how much suction power it has for less than 700 watt.


Post# 298225 , Reply# 18   9/13/2014 at 10:28 (3,484 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Congratulations! It looks amazing!

Post# 298253 , Reply# 19   9/13/2014 at 15:14 (3,484 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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  "It (the dyson) shakes the dirt and it bounces around like I have never seen on any vacuum to be honest, coupled with the way it sticks to the carpet, it really does deep clean. It gives any Miele or Sebo a run for its money for carpet performance"

 

 Now I'd really like to see how the DC41 MK2's agitation compares with the vacuum shown in the video below: 

 

 






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Post# 298262 , Reply# 20   9/13/2014 at 17:07 (3,484 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

I vacuumed with a Sebo Felix on both low 300watts and upto the 1300 watts and the brush roll agitated the carpet with the bits & grit bouncing up and down whilst the head was working its way to the debris so what the DC41 MK2 does is nothing new. It's about time we had that from Dyson since other manufacturers machines have had bristles like that for a long time.

Post# 298263 , Reply# 21   9/13/2014 at 17:25 (3,484 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Though videos of the DC41 MK2 look very impressive.

Is the new cleaner head on the DC41 MK2 smaller in length than the original DC41. It looks smaller to me in both the pictures and videos?


Post# 298264 , Reply# 22   9/13/2014 at 17:29 (3,484 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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That's very true blakaeg the Felix certainly vibrates the carpet.

Post# 298266 , Reply# 23   9/13/2014 at 17:39 (3,484 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I am fully awear certain vacuums agitation being able to shake the dirt is nothing new. I have a sebo Felix and the Dyson vibrates the carpet considerably more so than the sebo. What the Dyson doesn't do is a clean sweep of a clean path as the drive belt leaves an inch of ungroomed carpet, but this is a small problem. What the Dyson has which no vacuum I have used has is incredible suction seal. It pulls the carpet up as it goes along, but it is consistent across all floor types, like using it on thick carpet requires no more or less effort than using it on hard flooring.

Yes madeaboutsebo. The cleaner head is probably just over a inch narrower than the standard dc41.


Post# 298267 , Reply# 24   9/13/2014 at 17:57 (3,484 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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found some more videos













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Post# 298272 , Reply# 25   9/13/2014 at 19:39 (3,484 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Thought it looked narrower thanks for confirming oliveoiltinfoil. Suppose one of the reasons is due to the lower watt motor and to increase the air flow around the cleaner head along with the new adjustable rubber seal.

Post# 298289 , Reply# 26   9/13/2014 at 21:21 (3,484 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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There are no videos showing the performance of the Dyson DC41 MK2 picking up larger particles like rice as shown in the video in Reply #19. So, oliveoiltinfoil, are you willing to make a video of the MK2 picking up some rice slowly, like the Riccar in Reply #19? It would be nice to see how they compare.


Post# 298527 , Reply# 27   9/16/2014 at 11:37 (3,481 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I will post a video later tonight. I have done it and let me say that the dysons agitation is at least as good as this brilliance. I also show the massive snowplow effect when the lip is down, and the non existing snowplow when the lip is raised.

Post# 298536 , Reply# 28   9/16/2014 at 14:17 (3,481 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Post# 298540 , Reply# 29   9/16/2014 at 14:46 (3,481 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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So it looks like Dyson have finally developed a floor head that can compete with Tacony, Kirby and Royal when it comes to agitation. The final test would be for suction and airflow to see if this new Dyson can compete with at least one of the above 3 machines when it comes to fine dirt removal from plush medium pile carpet.  This would prove to be a be a more challanging video to produce since someone would need an MK2 and at least a Kirby or Riccar with a Dirtmeter for comparison.


Post# 298544 , Reply# 30   9/16/2014 at 16:13 (3,481 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Very impressive rice test there oliveoiltinfoil with your Dyson DC 41 MK2. Sure does agitate and vibrate the carpet. You can see it pulling in the rice from the sides too from a distance. Be interesting to see if the new DC40 is as effective!?

Does it tell you the wattage of the motor that powers the brush bar? Usually does underneath. I know they have on another Ball models.


Post# 298552 , Reply# 31   9/16/2014 at 16:54 (3,481 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Wow, that's brilliant!
Just curious, which other Dysons have you used apart from the DC24? :)


Post# 298566 , Reply# 32   9/16/2014 at 18:20 (3,481 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Yes, I am very impressed with the agitation on this vacuum. The only other bagless vacuum I have used that has similar agitation is the Bissell powerglide lift-off, but that has very poor manoeuvrability, a terrible dust seal and feels cheaply made and the suction is not as strong as the DC41 MK2 even with a 1400 motor. Also, the Bissell I had obviously has no self-adjusting soleplate, it was not as consistent across floor types as the dyson. It also had a handle which was ridiculous and moved up and down about 5 inches, to suitable for someone who is 6'7. Furthermore, since using the DC41 MK2 and having it a few days, the ball has "broken in" and it easier to use now, and you really can tell a difference. It is much more manoeuvrable than any other vacuum with swivel steering. It is also the best upright I have used on hard flooring. It picks up every spec of dust and dirt in one swipe. It is also so easy to use the hose. Literally in 3 second you are using the dusting brush or tangle-free turbine.

I have used a DC04 and DC07. The DC07 was my aunties she got in around 2004 ish I cant remember, but I am sure there was something wrong with it, as when you turned it on a reclined it, it took about 3 or 4 minutes for it to start picking up dirt, even though the brushroll was spinning, I think it was something to do with the adjustable floorhead taking a while to adjust to the carpets. It always picked up tons of dirt and had incredible suction.

My mothers old DC04 she got in the late 90's I think, was a tank. Nothing ever broke in it during the 11 years she had it (she now has a Sebo X1 which she likes in terms of build quality and performance, but moans and complains about its bags)

Another thing that persuaded me to buy another vacuum, and a bagless one, is my dislike of my Sebo Felix using bags. I had a MR lift-away previously, and before that a series of other bagless vacuums form Bissell, vax and so on. After about 2 weeks of using the sebo with a new bag, it stinks, even when paying over £20 for a charcoal filter. It really does smell, and the only option is to change the bag when it is practically empty. That coupled with my mother pointing out that having a bag full of animal and human hair and general dust and dirt decaying in a bag for weeks at a time, made me want to go for bagless again. I know we have many many bagged fans on here, but I am starting to wonder how people can put up with them. Buying bag fresheners or putting carb soda in them is dodgy for the manufacturers as they only want you to use a certain type, or using their fresheners, costing even more money, and at best covers up the smell rather than getting rid of it, as since having the Sebo, I have broken out in rashes more often now. When it has an empty bag, the sebo is lovely and I still love it, it is a great vacuum, but having it a few months, the novelty is wearing off.

And like dyson does say, perfectly reasonably, they don't test these rating when the bag gets full or is full. I can vouch that the filter on my dyson it still completely dust free, there is no surface dust whatsoever, and I only washed it out once to see if there was any fine, white dust accumulating, which there wasn't.
There really is not much I dislike about this vacuum. I genuinely love it.


Post# 298568 , Reply# 33   9/16/2014 at 18:45 (3,481 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        
Totally agree with you 100% :)

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What you've just said I've always wanted to say can never put in words. And I'm happy that you love your new DC 41mk2 is it you every day vacuum???. Would you say is better than the Bissell and Sebo and vax and would you even say is the best vacuum you have had ???? Did you know the air that comes out Is 150 times cleaner Then the air you brave so cool :).

Post# 298569 , Reply# 34   9/16/2014 at 18:55 (3,481 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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In fairness, it is early days, but comparing the flaws of the Bissell and sebo, which have been my two favourite vacuums, I prefer the dyson. The one thing I miss on the dyson that the sebo does is lay totally flat but that is only for doing two beds in our house, but that tangle-free turbine is so good that I would use that under there. It actually gets underneath the bed more than I thought it would.

I also have a couple of serious gripes about the sebo I think need bringing to our attention. The bags leak dirt. I have a jack Russell with short, coarse hair, and a tuxedo cat with soft black hair and they both leak from the bag, only stopped by the pre motor filter. I took apart my felix not long ago and to my horror found traces of hair in the motor. I have never seen that in any other vacuum.

Also, the hose storage on the sebo is a poor design. Anyone who has a felix, turn it on and put your hand around the hose inlet toward the bottom of the machine, where the hose stays when you vacuum carpets, and feel how much suction weeps out. My other aunties bought a felix royale and mine is a navy, they both do it.

AND, the hose itself has started to deteriorate. The clips which hold it in place have started to fray the hose and it wont be long before they cause more damage. I shall post pictures of the bag and hose problem tomorrow.

I have only had my felix since the tail end of February this year by the way.


Post# 298570 , Reply# 35   9/16/2014 at 19:09 (3,481 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Oh dear that doesn't sound good at all :0 but I'm glad you like it am sure you have many many many years out of it Also did you register it for its five year guarantee??? Is anything does happen to replace it The only problem I have with my Dc41is i got socks stuck up in and then only don't cover that the engineer was nice enough to do it for free and not say anything I got mine when it first came out on it for about a year and a bit we used every filters stayed spotless right from a couple scratches it was in perfect condition Machine is so good that even use the building work at curries I saw them been doing work on their displays been using the Dc41 It's completely fall and the filter only had a bit of dust on it hello cyclones are definitely doing their job one thing I love about the new Dysons is the house designer can do the whole stairs and it doesn't tip over I can see that happens a lot with the Sebo and how are you finding the emptying and do you find it easy to empty ??? Sure if you're having a lot of problems with your Sebo I'm sure you're still able to return it as my mum bought a washing machine from B&Q and it broke after after a year and after a bit of complaining and got her money back.

Post# 298583 , Reply# 36   9/16/2014 at 22:35 (3,481 days old) by adiosTor3ador ()        
Your Brushbar...

Looks different from mine, Though I believe this to be because Dyson does slightly different modifications to their products for the respective countries that the will be shipped to, One such example being the DC07 I believe had a smaller cleaner head length wise in the UK market due to smaller homes compared to the US models having a cleaning head about the same length as my Kirby G4. I am also very interested in the slide bar that raises the lip as when using my DC65 when I move to the kitchen which has a linoleum floor, I clean there the cleaner head tends to stick to the floor and feels difficult to steer.

Post# 298589 , Reply# 37   9/17/2014 at 01:20 (3,481 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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@dys0nb0y - Yes, Dyson customer service is spot on. They know what they re talking about and seem willing to help. I don't know what I will do with my sebo yet but I will most probably keep it as it is a good vacuum, but I don't really see it now as a daily go-to vacuum, that for the moment will be the MK2.

@adiosTor3ador - The reason by brushbar looks different is because this is a DC41 MK2, and they are not available for the US market. The closest this is related to is the DC65. The 41 MK2 has a redesigned brushbar and more powerful brush motor and a different 700 watt suction motor.


Post# 298593 , Reply# 38   9/17/2014 at 02:11 (3,481 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I wonder what will happen if I get a DC41 mk2 brushbar motor and out it in a DC25? :) the shape is same, apart from the spindle end which can be screwed off to fit snug in its housing

Post# 298618 , Reply# 39   9/17/2014 at 10:07 (3,480 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

I look forward to seeing the pictures of the Felix issues you have posted.

I've not encountered the bag issue with the 8 year old Felix I had (which my friend now owns)and it still works perfectly despite her abusing it and using it with a full bag until the hose is full of dirt. My complaint is the heat that comes out of it and the hose being connected at the top.

I don't like the feel of the cord and hose on the current Felix machines though. Just don't feel as good as the older ones.

I still have a soft spot for Mr Felix though.


Post# 298623 , Reply# 40   9/17/2014 at 11:16 (3,480 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The cords and hoses on the newer Felix were demanded by the owners. Older cords had a tendency to get stuck and the older hoses didn't stretch out as much. My 8 year old Felix naturally has the older cord. It is a PITA when it gets stuck under doors, but then so does the cord on my Miele S8.

Post# 298649 , Reply# 41   9/17/2014 at 15:32 (3,480 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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My SEBO Felix Classic is 7 years old and never had any issues with it at all. I prefer the new synthetic bags over the paper ones. I've yet to replace the filters on the machine. It's been used daily mostly over the last 3 to 4 years more so over the last 2 to 3 years due to owning a pet. I've yet to notice any signs of pet hair on the pre motor filter. Shame you've had issues with yours oliveoiltinfoil.

I'll agree with you oliveoiltinfoil with regards to pet odour coming out of the Felix when the bag has been in the machine a while (even noticed in my Miele S7 with a charcoal filter fitted mainly when first switched on!). Once the bag is replaced the smell goes, but I only empty it when it is full. From personal experience I don't think bagless vacuums are any better you still get pet hair smells coming from the vacuum from the ones I've used. In fact I know someone who had a Dyson DC15 who washed the filters regularly and emptied the bin out and still you could smell pet odour from the pet hairs it used to vacuum up. They couldn't get rid of the smell. The internals of the cyclone system must get over time coated with odours from the pet hair, fine dust and dirt that sticks to the insides the general user can not get at to clean. I can see the appeal to some for wanting a bagless vacuum. At present I don't miss emptying the bin on a bagless vacuum especially now having a pet.

At the end of the day everyone has their choice of vacuum cleaner that suits them and oliveoiltinfoil looks like you like your new Dyson.

So glad oliveoiltinfoil your enjoying your Dyson DC41 MK2 it certainly look like an impressive vacuum. If I was getting another bagless vacuum I would probably consider one of these.


Post# 298735 , Reply# 42   9/18/2014 at 13:54 (3,479 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I have the photos here of the hose and bag. The bag doesn't show properly what I mean as it is fairly empty, but there are a few hairs which stick out and eventually make there way through to the pre motor filter. Doesn't sound like a big deal but the standard pre motor filter is pathetically poor, you really need the charcoal one to give any protection and they are roughly £20.

The hose is interesting. Looking at it closely it actually now has scratches running down the hose which I think is where I have pulled it out to quickly do something, and it has extended while in its clip.

The third picture is what I want anyone with a felix to try out, so I know if it is just the two I know of or if its on all felixes. Turn on the vacuum and have it upright and place your hand around here. There is a considerable amount of suction leak.


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Post# 298740 , Reply# 43   9/18/2014 at 15:28 (3,479 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
There's a reason to suction leaks on some SEBO's.

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There's a reason to why those areas in the Felix have purposeful suction leaks - it is to maintain the contrast between suction flow and airflow. The X series doesn't because it automatically cuts off if there's a clog or blockage in the system.

If you look at the bottom of the handle cradle on the inside of the Felix you will find a vented hole. That is also an air outlet hole that is part of the design. Most bagged uprights these days have a purpose located air outlet vent on the back of the vacuum so that the motor isn't compromised for long periods if it gets blocked.

I can't speak for hairs outside of the bag - I have never experienced that. However Im not sure why you think the motor filter isn't there for collecting dirt - most types of upright bagged vacuums have a similar filter on top of the motor. It is not unheard of that the filter catches dirt outside of the bag. Mine has a few granules of dirt. The filter is there to protect the motor underneath - if there is dirt on the underneath other than carbon, then the pre-filter hasn't been locked down/pushed down properly, or has been pulled up so many times during its lifetime that the plastic catch underneath has worn away.

As for the "scrapes" - that will have happened due to the edges off the hose cradle - but it doesn't affect performance.

The K series has an air lock suction air release on the collar of its main hose into the body. The K3 models do not have it at that point, but elsewhere on the vacuum.

I quite like that Dyson and more so the video, but it begs the question on why the owner has to bend down and use a switch. Surely the whole purpose of an "active" floor head is that the machine does the height adjustment itself? Or have I missed the point completely?


Post# 298755 , Reply# 44   9/18/2014 at 17:21 (3,479 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I agree with what you are saying. Those filters are sometimes referred to as motor protection filters, to protect the motor, I guess from dirt. If it isn't there to filter out dust, what is it there for? Filtering out bacteria and very fine particles should be the job of the post motor filter, in the felix case, the fabric outer design filter.

No, you are misunderstood about the dysons head. This is the first dsyon to have that rubber lip adjuster and it is nothing to do with raising or lowering the height of the head, that is still the job of the active baseplate, which as I have said already, does a very good job. The rubber lip is there for what I can see is two purposes. One is to collect larger debris on carpets and hard flooring, which is does beautifully as you can see in the video. The other reason it to create a tight suction seal at the head, which it also does very well as you can feel more resistance when the lip is lowered. The lip should be lowered when using carpets, the user can raise the lip however much they want, which makes it easier to push if they want to.

If you have the lip lowered on hard flooring, it is practically impossible to push and the suction release value kicks in, a nod to how much suction there is at the head on this vacuum for it to do that. As we know if the hose becomes jammed or if we cover the pipe with our hand, the suction release valves on cleaners which have them engages, but on this, you can engine it with the floor head.

Also, look at the photo of the dirt bin. You can see the dust has settled at the bottom and the larger dirt has settle on top. That goes to show you how effective the cyclonic system is, as no other bagless I Have had does this. It means when you empty it, you hardly get a dust cloud. Trust me, I would be the first to complain if that happened, but it hasn't happened to me yet.

On most bagless vacuums, the dust and dirt doesn't actually get seperated, the dust usually get mixed in with the larger debris.


Post# 298762 , Reply# 45   9/18/2014 at 17:58 (3,479 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Thank you for explaining the active brush roll/sole plate. I think it would be easier for any Dyson owner to have that switch activated from the handle - having to bend down all the way to floor head kind of presents the idea that some owners who don't like bending will have a joy with this.

Is that slider control big enough for a foot to swipe the control or is just made small enough for a finger to slide across?

To all those musicians and organists out there - what Dyson has incorporated here is a viewable bellow either side where the rubber seal is concerned. Or so it appears to me.

I love the pick up of the Dyson, but as I just bought a rather basic priced NLOS upright vacuum, I have already realised that I have become so anal about dust - with a bagged vacuum, there is very little requirement to worry about how the dust is collected and how it appears.


Post# 298763 , Reply# 46   9/18/2014 at 18:10 (3,479 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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For me anyway, it isn't suitable for foot operation, but that may just be the size of my toes! It is more for finger operation only, but at least the option is there. I have never had a vacuum with and adjustable suction seal. So basically, you can either have the vacuum make a tight suction seal on the carpets to pick up fine dirt, or have it broken to pick up larger dirt, not to push it around. Best of both worlds really.

Yes, I know with bagged vacuums you can pop a bag in a forget it, but I sort of resent carting around a vacuum full of rotting dirt and dust, just for air to be passed through that and apparently filtered, for me to just lay it with more dirt. For smaller households and those which don't gather as much dirt, having a bag for months at a time surely cant be hygienic. Washing out a canister takes time, not money, and it no less hygienic than wiping out the inside of a bag compartment. Same as washing a filter, and with these dysons you can wash out the canister and cyclones. I contacted dyson when I registered this, and although the dyson lady said they don't advise it, you can do it but make sure you leave it for 48 hours, and it is okay and wont damage the vacuum, however if any damage is caused by water ingress, it obviously voids the warranty. Fair enough really.

Also, to those who say you cant properly clean those cyclones, lay it in a bowl or something big enough to submerse it in water, with a solution of fairy liquid and slosh it about. Friend of mine has had dyson for years and has done that and it works a treat every time.



Post# 298766 , Reply# 47   9/18/2014 at 18:24 (3,479 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Sebo fan you can actually do it with your foot it's quite easy it's a fantastic feature.

Post# 298767 , Reply# 48   9/18/2014 at 18:31 (3,479 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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A vacuum cleaner with a tight suction seal adjuster? Sounds like the air valve suction relief on many a cylinder vacuum - its not just there to loosen air for doing delicate stuff.

Sounds to me as if you have been badly brain washed by Dyson. I can't think of any other company who have continually hammered home the capture and containment of dust than that of Dyson. I've said it before and I'll say it again - no one sells a clear toilet, we don't want to know what happens to our human waste and how a toilet system captures, quite literally the waste or dirt!

Or if that is too much of you to imagine - a kitchen bin without a bag in it. You wouldn't dare use a bin without a bag would you? What is the difference with dust in a dust bag in a vacuum cleaner?

When you consider that dust in a home is made up body skin flakes amidst other things, it isn't much of a nice thought to sell a filter based on those actual aspects.

"Washing out a canister takes time and not money." Well…Vax tried that one, advising customers early on that they could pour the dirt from the water sucked up from their canisters down their kitchen sink drains. However, in reality the dirty water full of sediment and other dirt often clogged the drains. Think of the expense there. If you are washing your Dyson bin out and then chucking it down a drain, lord knows what the drain is receiving. At best your sink should have one of those grinding waste disposal units fitted - but who can afford them?

Whilst it can become all exaggerated and pedantic, at the end of the day a vacuum cleaner should be able to capture dirt and keep it in a vessel, in my opinion. At the most buyers should be more concerned about the weight of the vacuum, the tool design since some tools would be handier to have such as Dyson's cassette style tangle free brush, performance and cost price. Anything else such as how dust is captured is frankly a waste of my time.

End of the day until I see a bagless vacuum used in a hospital, I'll still stick with a bag.


Post# 298771 , Reply# 49   9/18/2014 at 18:42 (3,479 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        
It looks like you've been brainwashed by Dyson

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It looks like you're stuck in the year 1990

Post# 298772 , Reply# 50   9/18/2014 at 18:46 (3,479 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Maybe I am stuck in 1990.

But at least I have given some of my reasons in response to Oil. What can you offer up?

I like that Dyson in terms of its pick up performance - I have already admitted that. But what I can't get my head around is the "washing the canister out" routine, going on about cyclones - I am not talking about Oli per se - I am referring to the far wider approach that Dyson constantly bangs on about.


Post# 298773 , Reply# 51   9/18/2014 at 18:47 (3,479 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Post# 298775 , Reply# 52   9/18/2014 at 18:52 (3,479 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        
Can you offer up

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just that my brain doesn't recognise it that quickly it takes awhile for me to explain myself and do things like this i've got a lot to say but I just can't say it very well I can think it all but it never comes out .

Post# 298776 , Reply# 53   9/18/2014 at 18:53 (3,479 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The video kind of doesn't promote the bagless vacuum concept that well..Nice looking Nilfisk though.

Post# 298779 , Reply# 54   9/18/2014 at 18:57 (3,479 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Bag vacuums as well many many do the air that comes out Dyson is 150 times cleaner not all models but most :)

Post# 298802 , Reply# 55   9/18/2014 at 21:31 (3,479 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Don't you know it's physically impossible for a Dyson to compete with a KIRBY? It goes against every law of vacuum physics! laughing

 

%150 more cleaner than what? Than air pumped full of filth? Than air from a hospital? Than the air that would come out %152.57 cleaner if it was filtered through water, and not mucky cyclones? Wet dust cannot fly, but dust and dirt sure can linger in those cyclones! 


Post# 298845 , Reply# 56   9/19/2014 at 02:01 (3,479 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Yeah that is right. Let all your dust and filth settle in water for bacteria to multiple and have a field day. Dyson coat the inside of their cylcones with something, a name I cant pronounce. Don't be so dis-heartened that dyson now produce a vacuum which competes with Kirby. A lot of people dislike Kirby, not because of the vacuum itself, but the sales rep giving kirbys a bad name.

Post# 298859 , Reply# 57   9/19/2014 at 04:19 (3,479 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Could it be silicone perhaps? It seems to be the most used product that is making a return in a lot of household appliances of late.

To Dyson's credit, at least this model is substantially cheaper than a brand new Kirby at average prices of close to £1000 in the UK. Sorry for that kind of money I would buy a premium washing machine.

I can imagine to those who have moaned in the past that Dyson's don't vibrate carpets may well be changing their way of thinking.

Your comment about the Dyson sticking to the floor also reminds me of the Vax Mach Air - on my hard floors the lightweight Mach Air was impossible to move without the brush roll being switched on.

With a recent purchase of a cordless Morphy Richards stick vac that has a permanent brush roll (soft bristles though) Im happier to use the constant brush roll on hard floors. There's no damage, but more importantly, hardly any extra effort required.



Post# 298863 , Reply# 58   9/19/2014 at 04:28 (3,478 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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The dyson is only difficult to use on hard flooring if that lip is lowered. If it is raised, there is deliberate air leak at the front of the head, and it is as easy as pie to push and pull, something genuine and most visible dirt on hard flooring tends to be large objects such s cat litter and food debris. Its a simple, yet effective design. If they would have just had an open design for carpets as well, there wouldn't be a good suction seal on carpets, compromising its performance eon carpeting.

Post# 298864 , Reply# 59   9/19/2014 at 05:12 (3,478 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

That doesn't make sense. The cord doesn't get stuck on older Felix models. In fact its a better quality cable on the older Sebo machines. The hose maybe an additional welcome if it stretches a little bit more but I wish Sebo would change the hose positioning.

With regards to washing out cyclones on a Dyson. I've never felt the need to do that. I simply empty the bin, wash the filter - let it dry and done.


Post# 298881 , Reply# 60   9/19/2014 at 11:43 (3,478 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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That doesn't sound good if the newer SEBO Felix are not as good quality as the older versions!

Blakaeg where would you position the hose then on the Felix? I've thought about that on the Felix and X series. When you think about it SEBO have design the hoses for in my opinion quick access and use and to not over complicate the use of the hose or the air path through the machine. Plus the domestic SEBO models are usual adapted from the Commercial versions. Plus they get a true lay top fill bag. I know a Dyson has an automatic change over valve but that adds to the complexity of the design. SEBO is about reliability, and simplicity and ease of maintance not saying other vacuum cleaners are not!


Post# 298901 , Reply# 61   9/19/2014 at 15:55 (3,478 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh for heavens sake.

I only know SEBO changed the cord because when I sent my Felix back in 2008 to get serviced, they offered to change the cord on mine since mine came with the old style.

SEBO changed the cord on the Dart because previous ones were brittle and had a tendency to clog up as well as get scratched. The newer ones withstand abuse better AND were both fitted to the Felix and Dart.



Post# 298904 , Reply# 62   9/19/2014 at 16:31 (3,478 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Changing the subject ever so slightly, I phoned up Dyson customer service to register my 5 year guarantee. Was on hold for around 4 minutes, but what made me laugh was the classical music being played and the upper class English accents throughout the phone menus. Got talking to a very helpful lad who set me up and everything. He said that the 5 year guarantee covers parts and labour, not just mechanical or electrical. He said if the hose splits, it any other items brakes or snaps such as the handle or a wheel, they will send me a replacement part or send out an engineer to repair it for free. He said because they test them so rigorously, any accidental damage shouldn't effect the vacuum, therefor they stand by this claim and will replace any parts within reason.

He also said if the vacuum needs repairing, they will book out an engineer within 5 days, but 80% of them come out the following day. If they cant repair the vacuum with the parts on the van, they replace it for a brand new one, any they often carry them on the van, so you are never without a vacuum for weeks at a time.

I said I was interested in the dyson grooming tool and he said than he would sell it to me today for just under £20 with free delivery, so I couldn't resist. Their customer service seems second to none. I have heard other good things about their customer service from people and they have won several awards for it. Free number, open 12 hours per day and open on the weekends. English call centres and the number is plastered in the front of the vacuum and on every manual and brouchur. I really can not fault it.


Post# 298906 , Reply# 63   9/19/2014 at 16:59 (3,478 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I also experienced Dyson customer service, and I must agree that the customer service is outstanding.
When. I registered my DC25 Animal in 2011, they said accidental damage is not covered?


Post# 298909 , Reply# 64   9/19/2014 at 17:17 (3,478 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I knew what he meant, but he didn't say outright that accidental damage is covered. Hose splits and snapped plastic due to normal use is covered. Somehow they can tell if it is deliberate or accidental, and I guess there is only so many times they will replace a certain part.

Post# 298929 , Reply# 65   9/19/2014 at 19:06 (3,478 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Oh, OK cool, Cheers fo th information

Post# 299024 , Reply# 66   9/20/2014 at 14:34 (3,477 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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I'm glad you found the Dyson Customer Service helpline very good oliveoiltinfoil. Shame they have some unhappy customers on their Facebook page! Either not happy with the phone line, website or Engineer visits. But that can be for any business.

Not sure I'd emerce the cyclone top in water. I know Dyson won't directly say it's ok as owners have asked on their social media sites and the answer is always not recommended. No reason why Dyson can't create a cyclone system you can take apart easily to clean out.


Post# 299064 , Reply# 67   9/20/2014 at 18:04 (3,477 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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That is true. The dust bin should be the easiest part of the vacuum to take apart. You can take apart the transparent outer part, but that's it. I will get round it some way.

It's funny, I thought these vacuum were incredibly over complicated, but actually, looking around it and inspecting as much as I can of the ball, it is actually quite straight forward. The screws are torque screws, but the hose comes off with the pull of a red tab and you can even easily remove the inner hose which goes incised the ball. The handle unclips off so you can wash it properly. The head seems relatively straight forward as well. I am sure they have simplified this model over previous dyson balls.


Post# 299112 , Reply# 68   9/21/2014 at 00:28 (3,477 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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The DC14 I had was very easy to take apart and refurbish, the cyclonic assembly could be disassembled from torgue screws in the filter compartment. I'm sure it would kill be the end of Dyson if they made a distant refurbishable cyclone system, it goes against their motto of 'build it cheap,sell it high!' tongue-out The Fantom cyclonic assembly comes apart even easier, it lifts out as one solid cyclone from the body! Just unscrew it from the top first! laughing

 

It's good to hear their customer service is decent, I'm sure the last thing a customer with a broken Dyson wants is having to use a translator on the outsourced call center! Now, if only you could be connected to customer service by the nice lady on the line, 'hello, operator? Get me Dyson of Britain, I've bought a Kirby and wish to return my machine! tongue-out)


Post# 299151 , Reply# 69   9/21/2014 at 08:11 (3,476 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Just curious, do you still use your 2014 Vax air total home? Because you were really in love with the vacuum, and it even had such powerful suction which makes the rear wheels to come off the ground and more than one row of stiff bristles, I am looking forward to save up it get the DC41 Mk2, but looking at your Vax thread, it seems pretty powerful for a cheap vacuum

Post# 299156 , Reply# 70   9/21/2014 at 09:05 (3,476 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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The Vax eco air total home very much impressed me. Vax have come a long way, put it that way. The suction is incredible at the head but it is very difficult to manoeuvre, especially on hard flooring. I didn't think much of it at first but compared to the dyson especially, it is needlessly difficult to push and pull. Also the hose attachments need refining. Unclipping a hose way down at the bottom of a machine every time you want to use the hose is a pain, especially for taller people with back problems !

Also, it doesn't groom the pile as well as I would have hoped. It does better than most uprights of this size and price but it has a tendency to bunny-hop, like skipping over the surface. The sebo and dyson do not do this. Also, the vax doesn't pick up as much dirt as the dyson does. The fact the vax doesn't have swivel steering is much more of an annoyance than it should be, especially when you are used to vacuums that you can steer.

For a vacuum under £200, I would recommend the vax eco air unconditionally.


Post# 299178 , Reply# 71   9/21/2014 at 12:46 (3,476 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Awesome! :) I am now convinced with the D 41 mk2, thank you so much for posting such a well written and detailed review. You rock!

Post# 299195 , Reply# 72   9/21/2014 at 16:03 (3,476 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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If Kirbys are so amazing, and dyson are so terrible, can someone explain this video ?



There are many conflicting videos on youtube of people portraying Kirbys being superior to dysons. I am starting to wonder myself whether those videos were legit. How can you argue this video? Someone said the clutchless dyson were better because they had a round brushroll versus the all floor helix type.


Post# 299201 , Reply# 73   9/21/2014 at 16:48 (3,476 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Filtration Demo Miele vs Kirby vs Dyson






Post# 299206 , Reply# 74   9/21/2014 at 17:07 (3,476 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Oh dear oh dear.

Admittedly, that dyson looks brand new, but I would think that even a full container and a few months of use, it would be the same as the filtration system on the new dyson with the cone style filter have fantastic cyclonic and filtration. My filter has not discoloured at all.

Not surprised by the Miele to be honest, however I had an S7 about 3 years ago, an allervac model, it was white. Beautifully made for the most part, although when I tried to change a belt on it, I ended up ruining it as there were far too many small plastic parts which were actually quite fragile. Very complicated. It also used to bunny hop over my carpets and I am sure it did not deep clean as well as my Felix, certainly not as well as the DC41. I mainly got rid of it because of the odours that it emitted. It really did stink the house out. I have not had that as of yet with the dyson, but will be reporting back if I do. I am sure I wont have any problems regarding the smell.

I am surprised by the Kirby. I appreciate this guy not appearing to be biased for or against any of these vacuums.


Post# 299208 , Reply# 75   9/21/2014 at 17:24 (3,476 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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I had a S7 I had to return it as after a few uses it started to stink really bad and didn't like the paint used all over as if you bumped into StuffIt it used to crack and come off In the bags and really expensive it did not bring up the carpet or groomer very well it did not feel like it's cleaning that's just my opinion. I had the same problem with my Samsung upright vacuum cleaner went to clean the brush bar and all the mole little plastic pieces were breaking Off that is one thing I love about the Dyson there isn't small little plastic bits to break.

Post# 299210 , Reply# 76   9/21/2014 at 17:34 (3,476 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        

In reference to the Kirby vs Dyson video, he who goes last wins. There is always going to be particles left in carpet. There are other factors to consider. The Kirby had about a half full bag, so who knows what has been vacuumed up and what is already clogging the bag pores. The condition of the belt and brushroll is another factor. Also the person in the video mentions that he has cleaned the cyclone assembly, although not the filter. In a way with the cyclones being clean in the Dyson it does have an advantage. I do not know how to post videos directly to a post, so I posted a link to a Youtube video that demonstrates the "he who goes last", principal.

 

 

 

 

 



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Post# 299212 , Reply# 77   9/21/2014 at 17:45 (3,476 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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@daknx1994 - Yes, I have seen that video before, and it does make sense, but the chap in the video only went over that area briefly with the dyson, while with the Kirby he went over it thoroughly. Also, surely a dirt fan vacuum would not be affected by how much dirt is in the bag, considering nothing should be restricting the airflow? If it was clean air and the bag was half full, maybe.



Post# 299256 , Reply# 78   9/21/2014 at 22:20 (3,476 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        

With some dirty fan vacuums dirt being in the bag can affect airflow/performance. The air being forced into the bag from the motor has to go somewhere and that would be out through the pores of the bag. If the bag becomes clogged then all the motor is doing is flicking dirt to the bag. I hope that makes sense. By the way I am not trying to side against you or anything. Whoever wants to hate me for this can, but Dyson's can be good vacuums. At the vacuum store where I work we do get quite a few in for repair but most of that is due to user error. I have seen ten and eleven year old models come in and all they need are a new clutch and some filters. The only thing I do not like about Dyson is how many parts and pieces there are to get to the motor or other various parts.


Post# 299266 , Reply# 79   9/21/2014 at 22:43 (3,476 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
Reply #76,

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You beat me to it! tongue-out


Post# 299342 , Reply# 80   9/22/2014 at 13:23 (3,475 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
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 "Also, surely a dirt fan vacuum would not be affected by how much dirt is in the bag, considering nothing should be restricting the airflow? If it was clean air and the bag was half full, maybe."

 

It does not matter if the vacumm is Direct Air or Indirect air, you still lose airflow as the bag fills! The Kirby in your video had an old style paper bag which was filled nearly to the Full Line. Had this Kirby been fitted with a brand new cloth HEPA bag which not only has much better airflow and filtration than paper, it surly would have left much less dirt for that Dyson to pick up.

 

And it IS true that: "He who vacuums last always wins!"


Post# 299673 , Reply# 81   9/25/2014 at 04:47 (3,472 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Well be that as it may, I am still very happy with this cleaner. My mother has just bought one as well as it is still on offer at argos for £320. This is weird because online, it says that £320 is the price with a trade-in discount, yet it says nothing about taking an old vacuum to the argos, and when I paid for both of them, no mention of it either. Surely that isn't right? Obviously I don't care as I have no vacuum I want to trade in. Are argos deliberately being slack over this promotion ?

She missed her Dyson when she got her Sebo a few years back. This really is a stellar performing vacuum, and really very easy to use. I love the quick-release hose. So much easier and quicker to use attachments than normal uprights. Also the dusting brush is really nicely shaped and the bristles are soft enough to use on my delicate ornaments without scratching them.

And here is something rather brilliant. When I contacted Dyson to register my mothers Dyson, because I am a wonderful son, I bought the dyson for her, much to her appreciation, the Dyson customer service gent noticed that I obviously have two registered in my name, so they are sending me a DC58 handheld, as a free gift. I know. I don't know if he was being serious at firs but this morning I received an email from Dyson saying they have dispatched "my order". I am lost for words. That is what is called customer service.

When it comes I will hopefully being doing a thread about it.


Post# 299682 , Reply# 82   9/25/2014 at 08:22 (3,472 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Awesome! :D I am also speechless as to how amazing that is.

Post# 299684 , Reply# 83   9/25/2014 at 08:50 (3,472 days old) by SIMTAN44 (Kettering, UK)        

Just bought one direct from Dyson, again at £320 with "trade-in", but nothing required to send back. If you check the T&Cs it even says one option is to take your old cleaner to the tip yourself.
I also got to choose three extras, so I'm getting a soft dusting brush, a flexi-crevice tool and some Dysol.


Post# 299723 , Reply# 84   9/25/2014 at 14:37 (3,472 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Congratulations SIMTAN44, you will love it. Remember to sue the front rubber lip properly, I can see a lot of people not knowing how to use it, or not using it properly. It is a lovely vacuum cleaner.

Post# 299727 , Reply# 85   9/25/2014 at 15:25 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Wow, that's grand! If only the build quality of their vacuums matched the quality of their customer service! That was kind to send your mother a Dyson, and even kinder for Dyson to send-out a handheld model for free! But then again, at the price you just spent for 2 Dysons,I hope they would send you something! laughing

 

Just want to add something...Fantom had that quick-release handle a full year before Dyson hit Britain...laughing


Post# 299732 , Reply# 86   9/25/2014 at 15:44 (3,472 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Fantom came out in 1992? Wow, DC01 was launched in 1993 :) butt I guess you may be right, especially considering that James Dyson sold the patents to Fantom.

Post# 299735 , Reply# 87   9/25/2014 at 15:56 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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James sold no patents, he licensed them out to Fantom. I would've loved for him to have had sold the patents, Fantom would still be around if he did! laughing


Post# 299737 , Reply# 88   9/25/2014 at 16:09 (3,472 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Super sweeper why do you have to say snidey comments against dyson can you please stop as I find all your comments very offensive. The build quality does match the customer service as if you would read part of the review he says the reason they make machines The machines flexible is it can except more forced with not breaking compare to other plastics it might feel cheap but is anything but that

Post# 299738 , Reply# 89   9/25/2014 at 16:13 (3,472 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Dyson all already had a machine in production Called the cyclone and it was out before the Fantom

Post# 299740 , Reply# 90   9/25/2014 at 16:17 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Let's not start another war, I've told you this before an I'll say it again. The Vectron (the 1980s Thunder equivalent) was designed in 1983. Again, before a Dyson anything was on the market. This is a thread about a member's new Dyson, not about who came first! I'm not even sure if the Cyclon had a the removable handle, I'll look into that! 


Post# 299741 , Reply# 91   9/25/2014 at 16:18 (3,472 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Yeah and look what happened to Fantom :)

I am sorry but there is a lot of hate regarding Dyson and I am starting to struggle to see why. At any given opportunity, a lot of members will slag dyson off when its not needed. I have held previous misconceptions about dysons, but speaking with an open mind, most of them are going. They seem a very reputable company. A lot of people can not say that about Kirby, and their sales tactics, although that isn't to do with the company itself obviously.

Their build quality is actually very good upon closer inspection. Torque screws are used which in my experience are better than standard Philips ones as they don't slips. Rubber sleeves around the hoses, thick rubber seals around the bins, lids and pipes and thick cables, it feels a quality product. The handle is very flexible, as is most of the body on the dyson, but I can only imagine that is done deliberately, so it is forgiving in the event of a drop. If it was solid, something is more likely to brake. Look at why cars crumple up in crashes.

Some videos and picture I have taken which helps prove my point. The cable one you could call negligible, but there is a difference, noticeable especially when you feel them. The bottom one is the dyson, the top is the Sebo Felix.


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Post# 299742 , Reply# 92   9/25/2014 at 16:29 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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I didn't mean to 'slag off Dyson',I was just informing you that the lovely little quick-release was a Fantom design, it's like me saying Rainbow had the clear bin before Dyson or Fantom, or if I said that Airway had the disposable bag before Hoover.

 

Hey, Fantom would still be here if Dyson didn't throw a fit when Fantom didn't want to use his MEMA filters! tongue-out

 

Torgue is DEFINITELY better than Phillips! But it doesn't matter what screws they use, the last thing you want to do is take that Dyson apart! They're a nightmare to resemble! I could resemble a Convertible blindfolded, I'd need an engineering degree to walk within 5 feet of that Dyson!

 

Bending isn't always great, it makes the vacuum simply feel cheap. A solid grip and wand makes the vacuum feel more robust and of a higher quality, or at-least in my opinion.


Post# 299743 , Reply# 93   9/25/2014 at 16:32 (3,472 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Post# 299744 , Reply# 94   9/25/2014 at 16:37 (3,472 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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There is a difference between perception and reality. The dyson doesn't feel terribly flimsy in the hand. Parts of the sebo feel cheap and tacky. The hose and cable and especially the variable power control. All in all though, the sebo is a very well built vacuum.

I disagree. Look at what I can in the ball, the dyson is no more complicated than it should be. It benefits no one if the product is needlessly complex to build as you can imagine.


Post# 299746 , Reply# 95   9/25/2014 at 16:49 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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I've had the DC25 before, don't tell me I haven't had any of the newer models. I got it in when somebody's husband disassembled it and couldn't resemble it, it was a pain to get it back together! I guess I'm used to solid vacuums that handle like barges, to each their own!laughing

 

ALL I said was the quick-release handle was a Fantom design, you're the one who went off into things I never talked about, like who had the cyclone first. James did not invent cyclonic technology, but rather built it into a vacuum. It wasn't a bad idea!  At what point in this thread did I say the Dyson was unreliable? 

 

Olive guy-I hope the Dyson wouldn't be flimsy at the price you paid for them! tongue-out

Parts of a quality vacuum can always fell cheap, sometimes they can cripple the vacuum's existence.look at Bison, it was a solid-metal tank! But it was all ruined by the cheap, plastic belt drive! Even the mighty Kirby can fall victim to cheap parts, namely when you break the Finger of the Magic-Finger belt lifter! I have to be careful at times, it never bends thankfully, but at times it feels as if it could snap under the pressure of a fresh rubber belt! surprised


Post# 299747 , Reply# 96   9/25/2014 at 16:52 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Oh, you mean the CYCLON! Even I know the Cyclon 1000 has no E!tongue-out

Thanks for clearing up the handle issue, but from what I know, the Cyclon was out in 1986, a full 3 years after Vectron. Now,I will gladly stand corrected if I, you or anyone here can provide proper dates! laughing


Post# 299748 , Reply# 97   9/25/2014 at 17:04 (3,472 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Have the original receipt for mine and it says in 1984 I think it was out longer than that I think it came out a couple years before 1986

Post# 299752 , Reply# 98   9/25/2014 at 17:13 (3,472 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I actually wanted to ask someone about that - the motors. Are most of the Dyson motors made by Panasonic? I know Dyson went through a phase of using Samsung ones, but I don't think that lasted long. The only in-house made motors by dyson are the digital ones, which I can see being used in corded applications, if they haven't already, but I understand they must be very expensive to make.

The motor in this remember is 700 watt, so would it still be made by Panasonic ?


Post# 299753 , Reply# 99   9/25/2014 at 17:27 (3,472 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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They still use Panasonic in most machines but some of them used to be YDK now all new Eco models use Panasonic I can see the motor in my DC 41mk2 you just take a plate off and I can see it's a it is a Panasonic motor i'm sure from now oh no Dysons will have Panasonic motors as it can generate more suctioned with less wattage are more reliable much bigger lifespan you know what Dyson is like they probably I probably tested lots of low wattage motors to see which one can generate the most suction for their eco-models

Post# 299760 , Reply# 100   9/25/2014 at 18:52 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Could you take a picture of the receipt? I'll look further into manufacturing dates about the Vectron!

Post# 299762 , Reply# 101   9/25/2014 at 18:55 (3,472 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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I'll do it tomorrow :)

Post# 299763 , Reply# 102   9/25/2014 at 19:05 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Thanks! It looks like the Cyclon 1000 was the first bagless cyclonic upright! Amway came after, than Vectron, Than Fantom! I stand corrected! laughing

 

Cyclon 1000-1984 

Amway-1984

S.C Johnson Vectron-1989

Fantom-1991

 

Why don't you start a thread on your Cyclon 1000, so this thread can go back onto topic for a change? tongue-out


Post# 299768 , Reply# 103   9/25/2014 at 19:45 (3,472 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
The way I look at it...

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I tend to equate Dyson vacuums to the Apple iPhone in certain ways.

 

Does Dyson make pretty good bagless vacuum for $650.00? The answer is YES.

Does Apple make a pretty good mobile phone for $650.00? YES.

 

Does Hoover (TTI) make a pretty good bagless vacuum for $150 - $200? Yes!

Does Samsung make a pretty good mobile phone for $400.00? Yes!

 

Here is a lesson on getting the most value for the money you spend. I would much rather spend $175 for a Hoover Windtunnel Air that performs as well or better than a Dyson according to Amazon.com reviews and will last me 10 years if cared for properly, than spending $650 for a Dyson that is expected to last the same 10 years if properly cared for. To me, the Dyson is way over priced for what you get, just like most Apple products including the iPhone 6. That is why you will see me vacuuming my home with my Hoover Windtunnel Air and sometimes with one of my Kirbys. And when I use my mobile phone, it will be on my Samsung Galaxy S5, not on an iPhone 6 which is riddled with software bugs.

 


Post# 299769 , Reply# 104   9/25/2014 at 19:46 (3,472 days old) by Marks_here (_._)        

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Post# 299770 , Reply# 105   9/25/2014 at 19:50 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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I compare Dyson to the iPhone too, but not in that way! Everybody rushes out to buy the newest model the moment it's released, as a form to say to your neighbors, "Look what I can afford!". it's more of a status symbol than a vacuum at times! surprised


Post# 299809 , Reply# 106   9/26/2014 at 01:40 (3,472 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Yes, you can indeed compare Apple and Dyson. Look at the packaging on both products and they fonts and literature used is vey similar. When Jobs was alive, he and Dyson would send each other their newest products as they both admired each others companies. Say what you like about both companies, and I am no Apple fan, but they have attacked a certain market and people buy their products in bucket loads, despite them being much more expensive than nearly anyone else.

I really can not see a modern day Hoover, or Vax, or Shark lasting 10 years. If this is the TTI Hoover, then no way. I would have said something similar regarding my Vax and their 6 year warranty which sounds amazing on paper, but when you look into it, it is more trouble than its worth. Their customer service efficiency is lacking and what is and isn't covered isn't clear, and at best is mechanical. Dyson covers you for hoses, belt and broken accessories (pipe, bins etc) that is what the dyson guy told me. They stand behind their products that much, and their customer service seems incredible.

You are paying for those patents which make a dyson, a dyson. Dysons have the most efficient cyclonic system, probably the most effective hand tool on the market, the best swivel steering available (yes I have used Miele S7 and I have a sebo felix, the dyson is more versatile)

Most people who have Hoovers, Vax or Sharks have them for 3 or 4 years at a stretch before the things fall apart. A colleague of mine had a MR LIFT AWAY (Shark navigator lift away) and nearly exactly 1 year later, the hose to the head split, which is a £40 replacement. That is astonishing. A 3rd the cost of the entire cleaner.

So no. It isn't as black and white as "oh that costs £400, this one cost £200 and it does the same thing2. More often than not, they don't.



Post# 299823 , Reply# 107   9/26/2014 at 07:13 (3,471 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Mm the thing is though, Oli - the proof is in the pudding. Until you have a Dyson of some 10 years and if Dyson honour such a long warranty or as you say excellent customer service that you have ACTUALLY experienced, then there's not much weight to just believing in what a Dyson worker tells you.

I have to smile at the comment you've made regarding a product from TTI that doesn't last for 10 years or more. Well that's impossible given that the Chinese company only took over Vax and Hoover U.S in 2007/8 - now unless you have a Tardis that moves forward in time, there is no actual evidence that a TTI product will not last five to ten years.

Meanwhile, all those Vax paper pleated filtered bagless uprights that everyone doesn't seem to like (the "Swift," the "Bubble") and even the old V-046 Quicklite seem to be still kicking about - the last one came to market in 2006 and I've seen a few still kicking around on EBay. My own model was donated to a local restaurant and they still have it - only requiring a new paper pleated cone filter every couple of years or a drive belt.

Crucially - those were pure Dirt Devil U.S vacuums and though most aren't light, they aren't that poorly made compared to Dirt Devils of older periods IMHO. Those ones are now under TTI ownership.

The problem with Dyson is the cost - they're simply far too expensive and they know it because of their suction process and the general cyclonic dramas.


Post# 299846 , Reply# 108   9/26/2014 at 14:34 (3,471 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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If he DOES have a TARDIS, I need to borrow it! Thankfully that lovely blue phone box is bigger on the inside than out,I have a LOT of shopping to do in 1961! laughing


Post# 299847 , Reply# 109   9/26/2014 at 14:37 (3,471 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Perhaps you should stay in it, if you do get the TARDIS and travel to the destinations to buy the vacuums you've commented on that you don't own, but seem happy enough to pass judgement on. tongue-out


Post# 299852 , Reply# 110   9/26/2014 at 14:50 (3,471 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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LOL, I form those opinions from other's experiences, silly! If Mrs.McAllister tells me that she's had nothing but terrible with her Ching-Chong brand blender, then I am inclined to think that Ching-Chong blenders aren't of quality! When the Dyson drops to a reasonable price ($600 for THAT?), I'll hop down to Sears and toss one in the buggy! wink


Post# 299859 , Reply# 111   9/26/2014 at 15:46 (3,471 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Okay I can be sarcastic but you two really are not getting this, and thank you very much I have mainly owned Vax vacuums during the 10 years, on and off, during the time I have been living in my own house, all of which I have sold or of which have been replaced due to them not lasting. I have had the Mach 3 upright, the quicklite, performance cylinder, mach zero, air upright and now the eco air, the ones I can remember off the top of my head. The eco air is the best out of all of them and seems the best built, but a lot of the plastic seem very brittle and fragile, and so many bagless vacuums have poor seals around the dust bin. I returned my Bissell powerglide lift off and AEG precision for those reasons (and the AEG had the most awful of 3 in 1 tools. Candy Hoovers seem the best built Chinese made models, but that isn't really saying much.

Among that I have friends and family who have owned and have still got Mieles, Sebo's, Vax's and so on and it seems to be a similar story for all of them. The German vacs last forever but a few don't like the bags, the Vax's, Bissell and plastivacs last 3 years if they are lucky, then they just buy another one. My sister has a DC25 she got around 6 years ago ad she has not replaced a single item on the vacuum (she has looked after it though), and a friend in Germany got a DC41 when it came available in Germany and again, it has held up very well and he is well impressed with it, so I do have a fair few points to back up what I am saying.

It is hard for some of you to accept the fact that this DC41 MK2 is a GOOD vacuum. I am not being paid or endorsed by dyson. I have a SEBO felix which is still a very good vacuum so it doesn't make a difference which one I prefer, as I have both. I prefer the dyson. End of.

@dysonboy - I stand corrected. The DC49 cylinder uses a digital motor, V4. Dyson claims it is the smallest, quietest vacuum they have ever made. It is rated at around 190 air watts with a wattage of 1150 so not too shabby.


Post# 299861 , Reply# 112   9/26/2014 at 16:02 (3,471 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh Ive got it, Oli already but I think the evidence of parts availability speak for themselves. 

 

As a classic Hoover fan it pains me to know that I can never get the same pattern soft bag for my Juniors or Seniors. For me and quite a few other collectors, its a time when you either never use the classics, or use them once in a while or just keep them boxed up for eternity. That's why I sold them off. 

 

But if you look on EBay or Amazon UK you'll still find spares for filters for those Vax models - that says a lot. Surely, if the models concerned weren't around, there wouldn't be a growing market for the spares? Surely you must concede that. Same with the DC01 by Dyson and I had a few of the earlier models by Dyson. They're good and some are better built IMHO.

 

Im also older than you, but my experience concerning older Vax models is different to yours. 

 

 


Post# 299862 , Reply# 113   9/26/2014 at 16:04 (3,471 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Also a fair few shops in the high streets in the UK are still selling old stock Vax paper filter fitted vacuums. I'd say independents only, unless a few are selling off the last of the 1200/1300/1400 watt Vax uprights.

 

The new EU law may mean that vacuums over 1600watts are banned, but a lot of those Swift vacs and the Quicklites had 850 watts to 1300 watts. There's still a market for them and based on the fact that their spares are usually cheaper and widely available than the NLOS filters on the market from the same brand, buyers will continue to buy the older series. 


Post# 299863 , Reply# 114   9/26/2014 at 17:04 (3,471 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Dyson their digital motors are in most of the Japanese dyson machines most all of them have it yeah they do cost a lot to make. Also like to say my friend has a three month old Dyson DC 40 used every day of a house with two dogs and five people living there it's a fully carpeted house and she is very heavy handed with vacuum cleaners this one is holding up fantastically it filter is still spotless The being used every day and being filled up twice every day cycling to deafly doing their job is the filter is even dusting I check it out every Tuesday and the only thing I've ever had to do with it is clear some hair out the brush roll. And I have the AEG precision is whilst vacuum cleaner I've ever had it broken so many pieces after a few days I friend got one and returned as it broke lots of places in the plastic was cracking.

Post# 299882 , Reply# 115   9/26/2014 at 21:57 (3,471 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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When did I say the DC42 MK2 was a bad vacuum? It's not the best vacuum, but it's certainly not the worst! 


Post# 299903 , Reply# 116   9/27/2014 at 05:38 (3,470 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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The new DC50 has just been on QVC UK! It has the new floor head that lowers or lifts the rubber seal at the front but the Dyson Representive didn't mention it! It must have been lifted up at they where picking up what looks like oats etc....the edge cleaning looked good picking up fine power from the side of the rug while vacuuming up against it on the hard floor.

Post# 299907 , Reply# 117   9/27/2014 at 06:42 (3,470 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Yes, that must be the DC50 2015, they didn't call it the MK2 for some reason. Interesting vacuum. The 2015 model has 160 air watts compared to 140 of the previous one. The DC50 is said to have performed better than the original DC41 due to longer stiffer bristles and a "bar-less" sole plate. Lovey looking machine.

Post# 299909 , Reply# 118   9/27/2014 at 07:08 (3,470 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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It certainly was that model. Must be the increase in motor watts, wasn't the original DC50 650 watts and the new 2015 700 watts. The only thing I thought was the nylon bristles look too thin as you look at the continuous row across the brush bar. Suppose as they are stiff that helps. That does surprise me it does better than the original DC41, some users on Dyson Facebook page complain the DC50 doesn't pick up pet hair very well!

The DC50 look better than the DC24 my Gran has.

The only things I have read about issues with the DC50 on Dyson Facebook page is it can get blockages easily on the inlet air path that runs up the centre (half of it) of the bin/cyclone assembly and inlet into the bin as the air path is narrow. Plus the bin capacity is small (well it is a small vacuum!!) and Dyson response to these users advising the DC50 is suitable for flats/apartments and small houses. In the customers defence the television advert does say it's compressed technology light weight but giving same performance as a full size Dyson. But the average customer wouldn't think small size vacuum smaller bin might not be suitable for their big house. It probably the fact they want small light weight vacuum to use. It's how people interpret things.


Post# 299912 , Reply# 119   9/27/2014 at 08:19 (3,470 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I seen that too! I thought it was the older DC50, but I didn't bother noticing the redial thing, when I saw it lol

Post# 299913 , Reply# 120   9/27/2014 at 09:21 (3,470 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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I only noticed when they zoomed in on the vacuum and showed the underside of the cleaning head as it had the additional velour strips around the side and back of the soleplate.

Post# 299925 , Reply# 121   9/27/2014 at 13:58 (3,470 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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If you guys want to talk about Air Watts, I'll take my Kirby Sentria any day. The Sentria has a total of 418 Air Watts as calculated by the following formula which I obtained from Wikipedia:

 

cleaning power (air watts)= airflow (CFM) × suction (inches of water) / 8.5

 


Post# 299932 , Reply# 122   9/27/2014 at 15:20 (3,470 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Okay who was talking about air watts ?

Post# 299933 , Reply# 123   9/27/2014 at 16:08 (3,470 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
Dyson's adjustable slider

I am surprised, to say the least.

Years ago, James Dyson made a big thing of the lack of fiddly dials and sliders on his uprights. Now we have fiddly sliders. My, how times change!

Clearly, one size doesn't fit all.


Post# 299934 , Reply# 124   9/27/2014 at 16:29 (3,470 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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And there was the old SEBO C series with 1500 watts and 425 air watts...

Post# 299935 , Reply# 125   9/27/2014 at 16:31 (3,470 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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A "fiddly slider" with two positions ? Hardly contradictory. No one else has thought of this, and it works wonderfully when it is down on carpets. It is much harder to push though because it sticks itself, especially on thicker carpets. I would imagine in the future, dyson may refine this and it have more of a foot operated pedal, or it may even be self adjusting, like the sole plate.

Post# 299937 , Reply# 126   9/27/2014 at 17:18 (3,470 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I have a bedroom carpet which is really thick and is difficult to vacuum, even with a DC07 origin with 330 AW and a newish brushbar, new belt, a full clean and an easy life. The carpet is not shag, but plush, approx an inch, if not the. 3/4 of an inch, I hope the DC41 Mk2 is good for carpet like this
Also. I have used my DC04 today and the sole plate wasn't sealing to the floor unless I push it slowly, or tilt the vacuum at a certain angle because of the internal hose losing its flexibility, it's not really good now because a small hose lets the good suction down.


Post# 299938 , Reply# 127   9/27/2014 at 17:22 (3,470 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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"Fiddly Dials," is exactly the phrase that Dyson's own video of the DC41 states that it tries to avoid.

Well, not here if that slider is anything to go by. Im puzzled as to why this vacuum cleaner has a "self adjusting head" but then a manual slider?

Also, does this model clean flat to the floor?


Post# 299939 , Reply# 128   9/27/2014 at 17:35 (3,470 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Right I really don't know how to explain it any simpler. The rubber lip is merely optional. When it comes out of the box, the lip is lowered. It is to do with controlling the amount of suction at the cleaner head. It means, unlike any other vacuum, the rubber lip creates a much greater seal, concentrating the SUCTION more so on carpets. Using the DC41 MK2 on hard flooring with this lip lowered means it is very difficult to push, which is why you can raise it. It also means large debris will fit underneath the head rather than being pushed around. My Felix and just about every other upright pushes cat litter and larger debris around. Raising the lip stops it. It even works on carpets. If you are picking up a mess on carpets, like rice, as you can see in the video I had the lip lowered, as you would usually use it when vacuuming, but because I was picking up large particles, I raised it and the snow ploughing stopped. It is a genius idea and one that works and of course, dyson patented it. I asked about it.

I appreciate dyson patenting their ideas, because, some of you may cringe when I say this, some of their designs are genius, like the tangle free turbine and active base plate. It means when one pays a lot of money for a dyson, they are investing in cutting edge technology in these aspects, its what makes it a better vacuum. And before anyone thinks I am made or over exaggerating, it is funny that when the patents run out, like dysons dual and multi cyclonic systems now have, other manufacturers where immediate to use the same principal in their vacuums.

I also still find it most amusing how people can come to an immediate conclusion that this is still just a pathetic overpriced dyson when they haven't even seen one in flesh, let alone use one.


Post# 299940 , Reply# 129   9/27/2014 at 17:43 (3,470 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh Yes I recall how versatile the mk1 City Vac was when I bought one. Hardly any universal tools let alone Dyson tools could fit it. By the time I discovered Dyson's secondary tool kit that could be bought on top of what I got with my City Vac, I think I had spent enough.

With all your experience though, can you tell me if it cleans flat to a floor - and I mean right to the floor with the handle hovering just over the carpet pile?


Post# 299941 , Reply# 130   9/27/2014 at 17:53 (3,470 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Don't quite know what you mean, "flat to the floor"

Post# 299942 , Reply# 131   9/27/2014 at 17:57 (3,470 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Like this?

Post# 299943 , Reply# 132   9/27/2014 at 17:58 (3,470 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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I would say it doesn't lie flat to the floor. The only Dyson Upright that has truely done this I would say is the DC03. When I've asked Dyson in the past about their uprights doing this function I was advise you can use the hose/wand with a floor tool to get under low furniture or use the digital slim!! Shame they don't try to make their upright lie flat to floor, be a challenge for the Engineers!

Post# 299945 , Reply# 133   9/27/2014 at 18:08 (3,470 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Oh right! I know what you mean now. No it doesn't. Think I mentioned already, its one thing I miss that the sebo does beautifully. The dyson lies flatter than I thought it would, but not completely back. The ball itself isn't the problem, its more to do with the head lifting up, its as if like with some vacuums with pedals you can depress the pedal twice and they lie flat. I reckon it could be engineered to be like that. If they made the main body of the vacuum to pivot more, it would lie flat. I would have thought the ball would get in the way, but it doesn't.

Yes, dysons excuse is to sue the extension wand and a tool attachment, which you can sue, but who is going to do that every time they vacuum under their bed? Much easier if it would lie flat on its own. I am sure the digital slim would do it fine, but that isn't very good, to spend another £300 just to do that. Its not a huge problem, I have had vacuums which are more difficult to vacuum under furniture, like the MR lift away, but there we are.


Post# 299946 , Reply# 134   9/27/2014 at 18:48 (3,470 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Air Watts...

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It was I who spoke of air watts earlier. My Kirby Sentria has 418 air watts and it is a beast. I will put it up against any dyson when I'm cleaning. It doesn't matter if I'm picking up large particles like rice or fine dirt and dust, the Kirby's nozzle with steel rug plate has a height that is quickly adjusted by only a touch of my toe. There's no bending over to flip some switch on the nozzle to raise or lower a rubber lip to control suction. The Kirby's fan is less than 3 inches from the floor and moves a massive amount of air (418 air watts) between the floor and the bag.

 

I don't need to worry about washing any messy filters or cyclone assy. I Just change my oderless HEPA bag once every 3-4 months. Takes less than 3 minutes and is mess free. 

 

And gee, I wonder which vacuum will still be running like new 25 years from now, Dyson or Kirby?


Post# 299947 , Reply# 135   9/27/2014 at 19:02 (3,470 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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It looks like you're trying to start an argument /Dyson vs Kirby war for where it is not needed. And for the price I think I'm rather Dyson £320 versus over £1000 for vacuum cleaner and I think I rather buy a vacuum from a company that doesn't con people and bullies you to buy it



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Post# 299951 , Reply# 136   9/27/2014 at 19:36 (3,470 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Dys0nb0y,

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The purpose of this forum is so that anyone who is intetrersted in vacuums can share their thoughts and opinions about them.  That is all that I am doing here. It's not a war unless you make it a war.

 

I bought my slightly used Kirby Sentria with all attachments and carpet shampoo system for $190.00 on ebay. All it needed was a new brushroll, belt and bag (cost $35.00). I shined up the metal with some Mother's polish and now it shines and runs like new. So for way less money than you spent your new dyson, I got a much better vacuum that will last me a lifetime. There's no need to spend $1500 on a new Kirby. If you're patient. you can get a great deal on a slightly used Kirby. Mine came from an estate sale where the owner had passed away.


Post# 299952 , Reply# 137   9/27/2014 at 19:46 (3,470 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Yes the purposes here is to share your opinion on vacuums but this thread is about someone's new Dyson not about Kirby is about Dyson.if you want to talk about your Kirby create your own thread.



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Post# 299977 , Reply# 138   9/28/2014 at 01:21 (3,470 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Yeah I am getting a bit sick and tired of hearing about how Kirby is simply better in everyway to a dyson and all this bs. One of my mothers neighbours who I know quite well, shelled out £1500 for a Kirby a couple fo years ago, but sold it to get a Dyson as they could not get on with it. Having to un-attach this and re-attach that just to use the hose it not very user friendly. It still uses bags and that puts off people more and more now. Some say there is no excuse for vacuums to use bags anymore and is nothing more than a way for manufacturers to make sure there is some regular cash flow, that people will still buy bags from them and no one else, as they all say to use genuine bags or you void your warrantee. That is another war we could start on which is better - bagged or bag less. I have a bagged and bagless machine and prefer the bagless machine a lot more than a bagged machine. Until someone pointed out to me that I was carrying around a container with rotting decaying dirt that I have collected for days on end isn't very encouraging. Even if that is nothing to worry about, the smell is horrible. I have never issues with bad smells coming from any bagless machine. What has often put me off from buying bagless are the poor seals around the dust containers and lids which seep out dust. Thankfully, the dyson has substantial rubber seals, does not leak a spec of dust.

Also, only a few people will be comfortable with buying a used vacuum.


Post# 299986 , Reply# 139   9/28/2014 at 02:58 (3,470 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Reply 128- I cringed most of all! Not all of their ideas are terrible, mainly Dual-Cyclonic (NOT 50 mini-cyclones crammed into a bin!) And that tangle-free tool thingy, although if you try hard enough you can still tangle it! laughing 

 

Even the mighty Kirby has to be switched into tool mode for beds! Unless your bed is about 2 feet off the ground, you better hope you're vacuuming with a canister! People are flat-out lazy if they can't pop the handle off and grab the floor brush from the closet! I guess spring cleaning has become a forgotten art! When the dust calls, I have the Kirby and it's neat carry-strap ready in a flash, them I'm about the house, carrying the attachment case with me! Now, before somebody throws a fit and says something about me being against Dyson, I don't run around the house with the Fantom in tow! As great as a vacuum it is, I leave it's hose for quick crevices and pick-up, plus occasionally floors (Fantom has the floor tool on-board, too!). One thing I give Dyson credit for being able to revert the wand, and use it as if it was the wand of a canister. If Fantom could do this, it would be icing on the cake! But foolish Dyson did away with this after the DC07! Now you have to pull it out of the cleaner, and hold it at an awkward angle! surprised

 

Bla bla air watts, Kirby or Dyson, either way the carpet is clean! Well, one is likely to be cleaner than the other....laughing


Post# 299990 , Reply# 140   9/28/2014 at 04:10 (3,470 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Okay.

Post# 299991 , Reply# 141   9/28/2014 at 04:23 (3,469 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Get some sleep, Oli! Your reply hasn't made sense since 5:11 AM! 


Post# 299992 , Reply# 142   9/28/2014 at 04:49 (3,469 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Okay so that is nothing to do with the time zone difference between the UK and US?

Post# 299993 , Reply# 143   9/28/2014 at 05:16 (3,469 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Dont worry Oli, Super-Sweeper is like another member on here - they reflect on what they don't own and offer judgement.

My argument with Dyson all along has been cost price.

It is the same with Kirby in the UK; Far too pricey.

Same with Oreck UK; many buyers end up buying Oreck models second hand off EBay UK because the UK prices brand new are not cost effective.

When I was your age, I though Miele and SEBO vacuums were expensive to buy. When it came to actual ownership, it made a lot of sense compared to other brands and models I owned.



Post# 299994 , Reply# 144   9/28/2014 at 06:06 (3,469 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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My apologies, I forgot about the time difference! Here in Florida it's 7:00 in the morning! 

 

Sebo guy, who are you comparing me to? Have you not been paying attention to my previous replies? You do not have to own something to have an opinion, do I need to own the president to form an opinion on him?

 

Let me provide you with a different example:

 

So this guy named Rick goes out to town and buys a Mercedes. He owns his Mercedes for 3 months, then it blows a transmission.based off his experience, I can say that his Mercedes was a terrible car. When you continue to see Mercedes with problems, you can say that the model is defective.when the problems spread across other models, you can say that Mercedes is not a quality car (not saying that Mercedes isn't a quality car, but I had to use some brand of car for this example!).


Post# 299999 , Reply# 145   9/28/2014 at 08:48 (3,469 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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You do not have to own anything to have an opinion. But filling up every thread on this forum with your opinion with constant reference to old vacuums isn't exactly sharing an opinion of new content.

For example, I wouldn't say Mercedes is a bad car from your example - I would say there could be reasons to why the transmission blew as to the ownership and duress in which that owner has put the car through. Your example lacks detail in terms of that actual usage.

Furthermore, if the same problem occurs across every model in the MB range, then you could say that the brand has defective problems, but I wouldn't say that MB is NOT a quality brand based on that detail.

Quality after all can mean a lot of aspects - not just build or design elements.


Post# 300004 , Reply# 146   9/28/2014 at 09:40 (3,469 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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You can hardly compare your opinions of a president, to someone else's bloody vacuum cleaner! What the president does affects you in virtually every single way. What vacuum cleaner I have doesn't. It is foolish to judge if you like or do not like a PRODUCT based on here-say. I love my sebo. It is a beautifully made vacuum with good performance and it is nice to use. I love my dyson. It is a well engineered vacuum, very easy to use and brilliant performance. Nothing in life is perfect. I can point out thing I don't like on either vacuums. For goodness sake this is a vacuum thread, not a debate on next year general election.

Post# 300008 , Reply# 147   9/28/2014 at 12:09 (3,469 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        

Can we all just let someone enjoy their new vacuum? Oli, if I may call you that, started this thread to talk about his new Dyson, and describe his amazement with it. Everyone here on this forum is going to have likes and dislikes about certain brands and machines. I see this in other threads that involve not just Dyson's.  It gets to a point though where in every Dyson thread, it never ends without a war on how terrible or pricey they are or how another brand is somehow so superior to the Dyson. I will admit I am not a fan of the brand, but I have to give Dyson a credit for trying and changing the vacuum market in general. As far as bag/bagless, again everyone will have their own opinion. One in not necessarily better than the other. Each is going to have their own advantages and disadvantages. It all depends on how the owner uses the vacuum and takes care of it. I have seen bagless vacuums years old, that do not have a smell and just need a good cleaning. At the same time I have seen bagged vacuums in just the most terrible state because the owner overfilled the bag or only changes it every so often causing odors to build up. The same can be said of bagless.

 

So for the sake of this thread can we all just agree with our differences in preference, and let Oli tells us about his new Dyson?


Post# 300016 , Reply# 148   9/28/2014 at 13:13 (3,469 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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THANK YOU! Took the words straight out of my mouth.

Post# 300033 , Reply# 149   9/28/2014 at 16:44 (3,469 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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Well, Oli has been going on and on and in post aftetr post about his new Dyson and how Grand it is. This repetative gloating will natuarally cause someone with differing views and opinions want to express those views and opinions so that the overall thread will be balanced.

 

So what if I like Kirbys. Sebo_fan loves his Sebos and Super Sweeper likes Fantoms and Kirbys. When someone gloats over and over about a certain brand of vacuum, then he should expect others to defend the vacuums they love. And I think we can all agree that the majority of folks on this forum prefer bagged machines over bagless ones. Just sayin......


Post# 300034 , Reply# 150   9/28/2014 at 16:51 (3,469 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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What on earth are you on about? This is a thread about my dyson and how much I love it, of course I am going to sing its praises, here! Unlike some on this thread, I have not and will not go onto other threads and say "yeah but its not as good as my dyson". What do you expect? This is a thread I made describing my dyson. I appreciate people have different view and tastes, but the people who criticize this vacuum obviously have not used it at all, which I find amazing, how they can jump to an immediate conclusion. I literally don't know what the rules are anymore.

It's just pathetic really now isn't it.


Post# 300036 , Reply# 151   9/28/2014 at 17:05 (3,469 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I am also kinda getting a little bit sick of debates now against Dyson, so lets forget what happened, and talk about what this thread was for intentionally?
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I love that Dyson DC41 you have there, I hotel it gives you many many years if trouble free service, and same with your mum's Dyson as well as your sisters DC25.
I loved my Dyson DC25 Animal when I had it, it kinds beat the carpet too due to stiff bristles, but it did have a few niggles when. I owned it, like a stubborn wand to pull out and the post filter which kept popping out (Dyson sent out a new one for free) and it's seal made groaning noises.

I was not impressed with my friends DC41 Animal, so it out me off the newer Dysons after DC33, but I think he messed it up by not using it with filters or something. His mum replaced it with a DC39 multi floor which they love better.

I would love to own a DC41 EA to use as a daily driver, it seems like a really powerful vacuum, and so innovative, even the small things I forget about are cool aswell (like the tangle free turbine head) which is not what I am interested in, just the power of the new Dyson :)
Thank you for posting such a well written thread, you truly deserve the respect for taking time out of your day to share your thoughts on your Dyson, even though you can relax with a cup of tea and admire your Dyson lol :)
Enjoy!



Post# 300043 , Reply# 152   9/28/2014 at 17:32 (3,469 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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I have to say although not had a Dyson in about 5 years, this new DC41 MK2 looks impressive with it cleaning ability at the nozzle end. Wonder if there will be a 4th generation ball. At moment Dyson seem to be improving and changing the 3rd generation ones at present. Could there be any different kind of ball technology.

Post# 300045 , Reply# 153   9/28/2014 at 17:48 (3,469 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

Oliveoiltinfoil,

I've not been on here in a while. Seen the pictures showing the cable of the Dyson and Sebo Felix. I did the same comparison on a 2012 Felix and the Dyson has got a better cable on it. I've the same type on my DC24,nice and chunky. My mum has an old Sebo X1 and it had a good quality cable like that but the latest Sebos don't seem to.

That DC41 MK2 looks impressive and for only 700 watts, well done to Dyson for producing this kind of cleaning performance at only 700 watts. My DC24 at only 650 watts cleans my carpets fine. I have a preference of a DC24 over a DC50 for example because I like having a foot pedal and aluminium wand. Just my preference.

Pleased you like your new machine. Thanks for sharing the pick up video and pics.


Post# 300067 , Reply# 154   9/28/2014 at 22:07 (3,469 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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I'm just going to withdraw myself from the topic...enjoy your Dyson and have fun with it! I barely know what's going on anymore in this thread, something about opinions or something. I'll agree, back to topic we go! laughing


Post# 300088 , Reply# 155   9/29/2014 at 06:28 (3,468 days old) by simtan44 (Kettering, UK)        

Back in April I bought a second hand DC41 with no warranty, which I am now selling as replaced by the Mk2 (with full 5 years warranty)
The cleaner heads can be swapped over, although I've not powered them up like that. The new bristles are stiffer, and the catches to unlock the base of the cleaner head are a lot easier to operate to open for cleaning.
The new head is open and is better at grooming without stripes than the old head.


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Post# 300103 , Reply# 156   9/29/2014 at 12:03 (3,468 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Nice picture for comparison there dude.

So the head is around 1 to 2 inches narrower? Guess that is going to help with concentrating the suction. The bristles certainly look much more substantial. Gives us your thoughts on it man, see if you are as impressed with it as I am.

By the way, I just bought a DC01 for £37 with all the original stickers and a new set of genuine filters. It is the original, original DC01 with the old dyson branding. Did I do well?


Post# 300113 , Reply# 157   9/29/2014 at 14:37 (3,468 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Gosh that is some comparasion between the 2 version of cleaning heads. You can see the gap at the front of the brush bar on the MK2 head has been reduced if not completely gone as the brushes are not visible at the front from the above picture comparasion. The side edges look slightly narrower, so does the belt/brush bar pulley. Just looking at the picture you could say the 2 part brush bars are the side length if you take into account the other changes I mention! The MK1 had 2 rows of brushes I believe both of different lengths too! You can see why the MK2 cleaning head may be more effective at pickup and performance.

You can't knock James Dyson and his Engineers for pushing the boundaries of engineering and improving existing technology and continuing to do so. Trying to be more efficient using less materials, energy etc...



Post# 300116 , Reply# 158   9/29/2014 at 15:40 (3,468 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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He literally says that. His engineers trying to reduce the use of materials, while making the machines perform better and physically stronger, as well as lighter.

Post# 300123 , Reply# 159   9/29/2014 at 16:12 (3,468 days old) by simtan44 (Kettering, UK)        

The agitation from the Mk2 head is certainly better than the original, and I'm pulling as much fine sand from the dining room carpet (old, flattened on a concrete floor) as with the Mk1. The purple trim to the head must help the seal, with the adjustable lip needed as a suction relief on thin carpets/hard floors.

Tried my energy meter to see if the wattage claims are true:

DC41: 1280 Watts, 1360 with Brushbar on about 84 dB at head height with phone app
DC41 Mk2: 750 Watts, 850 with Brushbar on, about 83 dB, nicer noise.
Kirby G5: 560 Watts, 630 with the Techdrive engaged and running, 86 dB, deeper tone
(Yes I bought and got refurbed an old Kirby just to see what they are like)

Notice the filter wash labels say every 3 months on the Mk1, every 1 month on the Mk2

I've read on the Dyson forum that the roller wheel under the Brushbar motor is a weak point, and if broken can't be fixed, looks similar on the Mk2, so I'd keep an eye on it's conditon.

A nice clean DC01 for £37 is good!. At work they have a battered one still in use, and I recently refurbed a DC04i (Blue, carpet only) and gave it to my GFs parents, in return I got their old DC01, so work now have 2!


Post# 300126 , Reply# 160   9/29/2014 at 16:23 (3,468 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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The Dyson whale under the brush bar used to be a weak point on the new Dyson DC 41 MKI2 it's all been reinforced and has been changed slightly it doesn't have the same problem as the old ones

Post# 300130 , Reply# 161   9/29/2014 at 16:48 (3,468 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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He certainly does. They are always pushing boundaries. I wouldn't be surprised if his corded vacuums will get replaced by the cordless digital slim models as performance and battery life continues to improve. I'm sure I've read somewhere it's been hinted at!

Post# 300196 , Reply# 162   9/29/2014 at 22:33 (3,468 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Hi again! Not here to promote other brands, but merely add some input! wink

 

Dropping the uprights would be quite the gamble, they could easily lose customers. Many may speculate or discover first-hand that the Slim can not keep-up with their household, where their former upright handheld it well. This will either leave customers clinging to their uprights for as long as possible, or customers leaving Dyson entirely. I'm sure Dyson lost some of it's followers when they discontinued their wheeled models entirely, who's to say the same can't happen in this event? wink


Post# 300204 , Reply# 163   9/30/2014 at 02:10 (3,468 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Dyson are still selling the DC33 in Britain, what about in the USA? Are they still for sale?

Post# 300206 , Reply# 164   9/30/2014 at 02:56 (3,468 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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An engineer interviewed at the launch of the dc59 said outright that Dysons becoming cordless is not a matter of "if", but "when".

I could easily imagine a DC41 cordless. What dyson have going for them is their digital motor, which I know is nothing new in itself, but their DDM's are incredibly efficient, spinning very fast and creating a great amount of suction. You know the DC59 on max creates 100 air watts of suction, which consider the dirt has to travel a short distance, is a fair amount.

Just having the current range of cordless uprights for dyson wouldn't be good enough for some people who want a larger bin canister, for example. So a full sized cordless upright would be much more beneficial. It has already been done, in the form of the hoover/vax air cordless, but that has very poor suction, I know as I tried one out. You know if dyson try the same thing, they will wait until they can get the suction to a decent level. He said something similar about the robotic vacuums, that this 360 eye has been in development for around 13 years and he wanted to get the navigation sorted. He was interviewed in 2012 saying that.


Post# 300210 , Reply# 165   9/30/2014 at 03:36 (3,468 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Robotic vacs are the next logical step and ones shown at IFA shows in past years can also do vertical cleaning of windows. I think Dyson's new polisher type pick up "fluffy" hard floor roller will see service in the robots planned, but if it's a Dyson, it will be expensive, when it appears.

That's the thing about Dyson though - the company are constantly inventing - which says a lot for other brands who just rely on Wessel Werk to develop floor heads and buy them in. Only some brands like SEBO, Samsung will develop floor heads all of their own - but they do it quietly without any advertising.


Post# 300223 , Reply# 166   9/30/2014 at 07:09 (3,467 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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The things I love about Dyson you know you're getting a quality vacuum with fantastic carpet and hard floor cleaning less maintenance compare to others vacuum to be honest barely anything and fantastic guarantee with fantastic customer Service and Great durability and you know it's going to last and the Great thing is Dysons is only getting better and better and is always innovating.

Post# 300227 , Reply# 167   9/30/2014 at 07:41 (3,467 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I saw a pic on Vax UK's FB page that there was Roger's air cordless with a bin full of dust which had been picked up after using his corded vacuum! I told vax I have a DC14 and doubted I would get as much as that, as the DC14 is a pretty good vacuum, and they said "We think you will get the same results, Tayyab :)" and I am like "Oh really?"


Post# 300230 , Reply# 168   9/30/2014 at 08:14 (3,467 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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This is the fantastic quality you get with Dyson.





































Post# 300241 , Reply# 169   9/30/2014 at 12:50 (3,467 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Loved the QVC video. They were testing things there that you wouldn't think would need testing, but make sense, like the cord where it connects to the body, the head swivelling, the bashing, it is brilliant.

Post# 300243 , Reply# 170   9/30/2014 at 13:40 (3,467 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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it's just brilliant how they test them like to see a Chinese made Hoover and the Vax survive those tests Without break and did you know that Those machines are tested For 24 hours a day in seven days a week and if something breaks they redesign the part they change it on the next batch just amazing.I friend had the Dyson DC 05 for 14 years she gave it to me it was still working and I sold it was like three or four years ago and it is still working to this day you anything she broke on it was the handle. And I absolutely love those QVC demonstration they are just so cool and before about getting a Dyson dc39 animal they are just amazing the amount of suction is generated by at 750 W is just amazing the suction is 260aw and The turbine head is just fantastic it never slows down is the best turbo brush ever again and as got fantastic durability. How the filters looking on your Dyson dc41mk2??? Are they still spotless???

Post# 300247 , Reply# 171   9/30/2014 at 13:48 (3,467 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Congratulations Oli' on your newest acquisition! I think primarily the most pressing problem here is, and it is as follows: We consumers are just simply commiserating over our previous experiences with the different model types of Dyson, which they have offered us throughout the years. This really can be one of those Eureka style moments, when, alas,  Dyson may have finally gotten it right!

 

Remember: Those who endure the longest reap the greatest reward, or is it: Dream small and you'll never be disappointed...Oh, which one can it be...I forget?! laughing   


Post# 300258 , Reply# 172   9/30/2014 at 16:03 (3,467 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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This isn't just on par with other vacuums I have used, as regards performance, it is on another level. No other vacuum I have had sticks to the floor like this does, agitate the carpet as well, nor have as an efficient filtration system.

Speaking of which, here is the filter after 3 weeks of use;

I am also uploading a sample of the suction at the head and it sticking to and lifting up my thick piled carpet and low/medium piled carpet. Will post a link once it has completed.


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Post# 300259 , Reply# 173   9/30/2014 at 16:22 (3,467 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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I Know what you mean this machine is just fantastic specially the cyclone separation is fantastic Machines the filters get dirty very quickly one stay spotless for weeks and months. And are currently tell in the picture but your filters still clean. I Am Sure is.

Post# 300260 , Reply# 174   9/30/2014 at 16:24 (3,467 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Finally, the End of Nothing! Practice really can make for perfect. My only hope now is that it remains durable, and if so, so much the better. 


Post# 300261 , Reply# 175   9/30/2014 at 16:24 (3,467 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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You should do a video of your Dyson vs Sebo and vacuum of agitation.

Post# 300265 , Reply# 176   9/30/2014 at 17:46 (3,467 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Ooh I really want a vacuum that sticks to the floor really well and pick up lots of dirt, and I dont really mind if its hard to push :)

Post# 300269 , Reply# 177   9/30/2014 at 18:07 (3,467 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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That sounds like the interview oliveoiltinfoil I read. I thought it mentioned a case of when Dyson will go fully cordless.

I think the Digital Slim will form the bases of new cordless vacuums from Dyson, I don't think they will do a full size cordless machine. James Dyson likes to be different and do more with less. People cleaning habits are changing in this modern day living. People don't want to spend time, hours cleaning or doing a weekly deep clean as people want to spend time doing other things with family and friends enjoying life!! People are moving towards more quick daily cleans that don't take long to do. That's where Dyson has slotted his Digital Slim into. With more daily cleans a big bin is not necessary required as you can dump the dirt after each clean! I'm not saying everyone is going to be cleaning this way but with busy life styles these days things and day to day life is changing too.

Once they have a full size machine cleaning performance and battery life is longer i think the Digital Slim will take over his full size machines permanently. Or a version of the Slim.


Post# 300275 , Reply# 178   9/30/2014 at 19:11 (3,467 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Reply #166, I'm keeping my mouth shut on that! tongue-out

 

James could easily do away with the uprights. He'll probably say something along the lines of, 'with the smaller bin, you have twice the suction of the uprights', it wouldn't be the first time he contradicted himself.


Post# 300282 , Reply# 179   9/30/2014 at 21:58 (3,467 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Alex, your a mighty big man to let that kind of insolence slide! Why, I would've said, "Kirby has a hundred year track record behind it, and James Kirby never changed his mind." You know to come to think about it, Why should he...perfect is as perfect does.

Post# 300295 , Reply# 180   10/1/2014 at 03:55 (3,467 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Post# 300303 , Reply# 181   10/1/2014 at 09:14 (3,466 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

super sweeper,

I have an 8 yr old DC16 handheld that had issues with the batteries and now the DC35 cordless. It had some silly issue with shutting off after 3 mins use and had to keep pressing the trigger to use it. Dyson sent new battery and it works fine but there is still an issue. Now without warning me, its shutting off. I charge the battery for 5 mins for example and then press the trigger, still no motor, but the battery light then flashes. Upon checking, it seems that battery issues occur regularly. I will ask for a new motor unit to be sent soon. So I doubt a full size cordless Dyson would be a reliable machine to depend on fully. I wonder how the Hoover and Vax Air Cordless models are doing & if the batteries are reliable. Dyson customer service is first class so I can forgive any issues I've had with them as they really have put themselves out with me when I complained.


Post# 300320 , Reply# 182   10/1/2014 at 14:42 (3,466 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Great video oliveoiltinfoil, powerful suction you can see it lift the carpet as you try to pull the nozzle up from the carpet. Have to say the brush bar and brush bar motor sound very quieter compared to previous models. I take it the rubber front seal was down?

Post# 300339 , Reply# 183   10/1/2014 at 19:32 (3,466 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Batteries age, and lose power over time. However, this makes Dyson money over time, as instead of buying bags, you will now be paying for replacement batteries. Corded vacuums can never lose power, unlike their battery-powered counterparts. Dyson's commercials irritate me, 'remember the hassle of vacuuming before the (whatever that Digital Slim is called)?', he contradicts his older models, and makes the cordless Dyson seem like this revolution, when corded models both out-clean and out-last his vacuum.  What are you going to do when you have company over in 17 minutes, and the Digital Slim has no battery left on it? surprised

 

I just had an idea, wouldn't it be cool to have the option of battery, but with a detachable cord for in the event of a failure? Like on the Hoover Concept II, the detectable cord, not the battery! tongue-out

My GE VHS camcorder has this setup, it's divine!


Post# 300343 , Reply# 184   10/1/2014 at 20:14 (3,466 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        

Alex, that is just what Dyson does. He wants you to buy his latest and greatest so he will of course contradict himself and without saying it, make his old machines look terrible. He has done this with every model of Dyson that he has come out with. Just like how he claims his cyclone system is the best and that it never loses suction and you never have to buy a bag. Now with the Cinetic, he makes the claim of never having to buy a bag or how he says the Cinetic does not rely on filters...Again contradicting himself. The man is a true marketing genius when you stop and think about it.  


Post# 300367 , Reply# 185   10/2/2014 at 02:11 (3,466 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Completely disagree. How is saying having no filters contradicting of saying his previous vacuums also never loose suction? He has never outright said "this new model is amazing the old models are inferior". That my friend is the world of business, innovation and moving forward. The whole point of a new model of anything, be it a vacuum, car or phone is that it is better in some way to the older ones. Dyson compares his new machines to existing rivals, usually never to his own machines, no matter how old they are.

Post# 300370 , Reply# 186   10/2/2014 at 02:18 (3,466 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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The whole point of business is often clouded by deception, much like politics...it's an art!surprised 


Post# 300381 , Reply# 187   10/2/2014 at 06:23 (3,465 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I agree Oli - well thought out response there at No. 85

A more recent example of another brand that springs to mind and who appear to have totally contradicted themselves are Oreck. For years they pushed and promoted the idea that bagged vacs were always the way; then one day as the company were just about to go under, they pop out a bagless full size upright vacuum cleaner.

So much for their previous mantra. Again it is down to marketing and sales. There is no brand that is perfect for their promises when it comes down to actual ownership. Some come close though.


Post# 300400 , Reply# 188   10/2/2014 at 15:33 (3,465 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Oreck did contradict themselves. Although bags are best, the market was changing. If it wasn't for Big Lots, the infomercials, the floor care centers and word of mouth, nobody would know what an Oreck is. People barely know what bags are, now, at-least Oreck's bagless is decent, but expensive.

 

I didn't say a thing about filters. His older models used wheels, his current models still use cords, the digital slim commercial shows both as being a giant hassle, when in reality it's a fool-proof design.


Post# 300432 , Reply# 189   10/2/2014 at 19:28 (3,465 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        

Without marketing you do not have business. Like Alex mentioned if it was not for the infomercials, there would be no Oreck. Oreck truly did contradict themselves. You can not just make a product and put it out there to be sold. You can try and might be successful. In a sense yes Dyson have contradicted themselves. Of course he is not going to flat out and say that his old models were garbage. Your average consumer usually does not take more than a minute, if that to truly pay attention to a commercial, to most people they see the newest thing and think they now have to have it.  So when Dyson says that his new model does not rely on filters, or you never have to worry about the hassle of a cord, your AVERAGE consumer will think that now they need this new filter-less vacuum, or the Dyson Digital Slim. I see this all the time at work. It never fails.


Post# 300436 , Reply# 190   10/2/2014 at 19:46 (3,465 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I don't really care to be honest. I do not see Dyson contradicting themselves about any of their products. He/they are a people who are very proud of their products, regardless of their age. They are nice products. Obviously their focus is on bagless machines, and I find theirs to be the best in terms of everything - ease of use, performance and quality. They work for me.

Post# 300440 , Reply# 191   10/2/2014 at 20:33 (3,465 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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They might work for you, but defiantly not for people who know what genuine quality truly is! tongue-out

 

I can't blame Dyson for being proud. He's revolutionized the vacuum industry, without him we could still be using Elites and Eureka uprights.I too would be proud, but I wouldn't stand behind a vacuum that flexes itself in use. Now,I of course am by no means James Dyson, and while I'm sure he's a good man, he doesn't seem to care what his machine does as long as the cash keeps flowing?


Post# 300459 , Reply# 192   10/3/2014 at 01:10 (3,465 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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But, genuine quality - what is that? What you might think is genuine quality is different to others.

Would I slate Kirby for having a poor zip on their soft outer dust bag when it breaks and then slate it as being poor quality? No. Same with an old vintage Hoover. Some members do though. That's their right. Everyone's opinion about "quality" whether it is genuine or not, is different and it comes down to a different number of factors.

Dyson, in my mind isn't doing anything different in terms of marketing and market approach. TTI Hoover and Eureka might not mention that their latest and greatest is better than the old, but Hoover in particular are always comparing "the previous Windtunnel" on pick up tests with their latest. Pity the owner who might actually see the same model they own being advertised as being poorer on pick up.

As a consumer, you believe what you want to believe - but when it comes to actual ownership, surprises of course often happen. But you can't offer an opinion from a previous model and tag it to the new one - unless of course, you happen to own that new product.

Good or bad.



Post# 300484 , Reply# 193   10/3/2014 at 06:46 (3,464 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I really am getting rather sick and tired of your replies super sweeper, not because of what you are saying, but how you are saying it, thinking you know better than everyone else. You don't know me from adam. You don't know where I have been, what I am doing or what I have done. You think I don't know what "genuine quality" is?

Quality is very subjective and it depends on who you ask. Some people think something that simply looks nice is good quality. For me, quality is durability, if something breaks, falls off or not. Also, the use of materials and how evenly and tight the panel gaps are.

The dyson is a quality product, nicely finished and everything feels durable. It does not flex when its in use. The only time the handle flexes is when the telescopic pole is not inserted as this is a strong part and helps give the handle its strength. Remember dyson, like a lot of vacuum and even car manufactures these days, are having to juggle between durability and weight saving, which also means using the fewest materials. Looking at those crash test of the dyson, I am very confident this is going to stand up. They cant put videos like that up if their vacuums are absolute crap now can they. False advertising.



Post# 300507 , Reply# 194   10/3/2014 at 13:06 (3,464 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Another thing I don't realise is why people target Dyso to pick on, I mean there are so many worse vacuums! Like the modern Vax machines. The filters get dirty quickly and they copied Dyson, a Dyson thought of the ideas and other brands get credit. Why? I think Dyson deserves the praise, and personally, I intend to get a DC41 Mk2 because Dyson are taking what they learn from older machines into an improved product
What Vax done;
Vax 121 was theirs, okay.
Then they copied Dyson
Vax turbo force with the bagless tech like dyson
Vax Mach air with cyclones like Cyson
Vax air 3 with steering like a Dyson
Oh my God, Dyson always comes up with these creative ideas and they get copied! Hoover (the most successful company) even laughed at the DC01, but James never gave up.mNow what is he today? One of Britains richest men


Post# 300531 , Reply# 195   10/3/2014 at 18:36 (3,464 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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True, everyone has a different view on what is and isn't quality, I'll give you that! wink

 

I definitely do not know better than everyone else, I have many things to learn in life! In all honesty, I'm intrigued by Dyson, it would be a quality cleaner in my mind if it didn't flex while in use! The brush seems very aggressive and efficient, but 50 cyclones are not necessary. If I ever happen upon one, I'll pick it up and give an honest opinion based off my own knowledge, and not the knowledge of others as i am currently doing.

 

Parwaz, You're absolutely right, we have many things to thank Dyson for! most of all, Cyclonic technology. in the early days, Dyson licensed this (Such as Fantom), however, there were others that stole it (But still made a decent vacuum, I'm of course referring to the Amway ClearTrak). He has "Invented" the ball, and i only say "invented" because it is similar in function to other designs, but still a fresh concept (IE:functions, twists and moves in the same way as Kirby floor-tools have done since the 1950s, but James has taken this above and beyond Kirby's attachment set could ever accomplish).  wink


Post# 300536 , Reply# 196   10/3/2014 at 18:51 (3,464 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        

You know I am just trying to state how business works and that is fine that you "do not care", I could care less how Dyson market their product I was just pointing out how their commercials look to me and the average customer. This thread has been nothing but arguing and bickering and it is just pointless. VacuumLand is now a place where if you dare say one thing wrong about a brand and you are shunned. It kills me because I am always afraid to post because of the negative comments that can arise. It also seems like quite a few people on here has this mindset of "It's either my way or the highway". I can not see why we, as a vacuum enthusiast community just learn to agree to disagree. Is it that dang hard? 


Post# 300538 , Reply# 197   10/3/2014 at 18:57 (3,464 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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"...We have many things to thank Dyson for, like cyclonic technology...."

Whoops I'm afraid not - it was in America that one of the first applications of "cyclonic" vacs and technics existed... here's an except from a book, "The Vacuum Cleaner, A History," by Carroll Gantz

Parwaz - People pick on Dyson because of the price and the constant advertising, not helped by constant news reports of Dyson taking several brands to court over claims. Frankly I dont think Dyson have done themselves any favours with court action. Quite happy to frit money away without thinking about the consequences.

Vax may well have copied Dyson but they weren't alone - at least their vacuums are not as highly priced.



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Post# 300542 , Reply# 198   10/3/2014 at 19:06 (3,464 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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wow, I can't believe i just gave Dyson credit for that, I'm usually the one that points out Filter-Queen and Rainbow had it before Dyson was a sparkle in his daddy's eye! wink


Post# 300576 , Reply# 199   10/4/2014 at 04:39 (3,463 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Derek, it's kinda like this: You know about the mythological gods of Mount Olympus and how they used to squabble amongst themselves, well, it's very much the same way here, or anywhere else for that matter. But here you shall discover KIRBY is Zeus, HOOVER is Apollo and Dyson and its cousins are demigods, likened unto the Medusa of the Gorgon variety, not quite human...not quite god, but always trying. I truly hope this analogy was of some small help.  laughing        


Post# 300583 , Reply# 200   10/4/2014 at 07:35 (3,463 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
And what about Goblin?

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Um, Goblin in the UK were the first to develop the vacuum cleaner but on a cart. Hoover made it portable for homes.

Post# 300588 , Reply# 201   10/4/2014 at 08:34 (3,463 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I completely understand and appreciate everyone has different views and opinions on vacuum cleaners. Some like a certain brands, others don't. But there is a definitive pattern, a trend for dyson bashing on a number of threads, and it is specifically dyson people bash them for, for reasons which are largely unjustifiable.

Also, it seems to be the same people who bash dysons. I also feel it is very odd and annoying people can come to such conclusions if they haven't seen or used the product for themselves. Have your opinions, but do it in a civilised manner.

Rant over!


Post# 300598 , Reply# 202   10/4/2014 at 10:58 (3,463 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Wow, are you saying Goblin had the portable vacuum before the infamous Model 0?


Post# 300616 , Reply# 203   10/4/2014 at 17:06 (3,463 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Noooo, I did say, a vacuum cleaner on a cart. Hoover made it portable.

Post# 300629 , Reply# 204   10/4/2014 at 20:23 (3,463 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Oh,I know what you mean now, thanks! wink


Post# 301549 , Reply# 205   10/12/2014 at 13:23 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Olive oil is the Dyson more noisy than the Sebo Felix? Thinking of buying one for my sister.

Post# 301552 , Reply# 206   10/12/2014 at 13:48 (3,455 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Vax air 3 with steering like a Dyson

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Right. And Dyson copied that from Sebo (the Sebo Dart was out well before The Ball), who copied that from Airway.

 

And what about Hoover, you haven't mentioned them with the Globe/Slalom or Miele with the S7 swivel neck OR Electrolux/AEG with the Nimble. Did they call copy Dyson too, hmmm?


Post# 301554 , Reply# 207   10/12/2014 at 13:57 (3,455 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Well, the ball is what Dyson invented, nobody else used a ball, and Dysons can turn 90 degrees on the spot, and others then like 45 degrees. The ball barrow was out over a decade ago, from the 90's and it wasn't till 2005 when the DC15 came out.



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Post# 301559 , Reply# 208   10/12/2014 at 14:41 (3,455 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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2995? I didn't know the ball was invented during Fallout: New Vegas! tongue-out

 

I'm surprised he went with the ball in 2995 instead of anti-gravity hovering technology!


Post# 301560 , Reply# 209   10/12/2014 at 14:42 (3,455 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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But how handy is it to have an upright that can spin on a dime compared to one that cleans flat to the floor? It really depends on the actual cleaning REQUIREMENT not the kudos and coolness of a design element.

My guess is eventually Dyson will compact the ball's size down further to make it more nimble so that their uprights can clean flat to the floor - as well as probably making the bins flatter rather than rounded.


Post# 301561 , Reply# 210   10/12/2014 at 14:44 (3,455 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Oh, that's a good point! Dyson says to use the wand for flat cleaning, as if that'll be any good for carpeting! I highly doubt a Dyson will ever be able to guide under a bed, unless James wakes up and realizes the truth, bags are best!! wink


Post# 301563 , Reply# 211   10/12/2014 at 14:57 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit ()        

All this Dyson bashing is getting a bit boring.People always want to knock success!
I own a Sebo Felix and a Miele S8 but I'm seriously considering buying a Dyson DC41 Mk2! I'm very impressed with this machine.
I'll await the bashers !


Post# 301567 , Reply# 212   10/12/2014 at 15:19 (3,455 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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As I said from the beginning I like Oli's review and Im impressed with the Dyson.

However Im not a fan of bagless vacs unless they are something like the size of a dust buster. The dust from them is manageable too and the motors in general are not all that noisy : )


Post# 301569 , Reply# 213   10/12/2014 at 15:32 (3,455 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Marcus I am also impressed! I hope it is my next vacuum cleaner

Post# 301570 , Reply# 214   10/12/2014 at 15:42 (3,455 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Okay supper-sweeper I am getting rather p*ssed off with your constant BS. You really cant stand the fact dyson have made a very good vacuum cleaner can you. I love mine. I used my felix the other day and was impressed than ever at the differences between the two. I have got used to the ball and it IS easier to use than the felix and the S7 I had. The S7 is a pig of a machine, far too bulky and the swivel steering on it wasn't agile at all.

The felix is better and the lying flat to the floor helps, but the ball, you really can turn 90 degrees. Dyson isn't fibbing when they say that.

The lying flat on the floor problem is not to do with the ball. The size and profile of the ball is quite small, the problem it the wheels don't contract up high enough, meaning if you lean the vac right down low, you can lift the head up off the floor. I will post a picture later to show you what I mean.

You can get much further underneath beds and obstacles than you think, you can also go side on like they show you in the adverts which does work.

@marcusprit - The dyson suction motor is ever so slightly louder than the Sebo's, but it is not a whining horrible noise, it is very pleasant. You can hardly hear the brush bar motor, only noise than comes from it is the brush bar beating the carpet itself as when you go to low piled carpeting, it is near silent.

The combination of suction at the head and agitation of this dyson makes it the best vacuum for carpet and hard floors I have ever used. I am not being paid by dyson, I have a sebo and 4 other vacuums, I can pick and chose between them, and I go to the dyson each time. It is a lovely vacuum.


Post# 301573 , Reply# 215   10/12/2014 at 15:55 (3,455 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Well said! Glad you are enjoying your Dyson. Hope your and your mum's DC41 last long with trouble free service :)
Before, I thought the. D. 41 was one of the worst Dysons I used, after trying my friends one out. Now I want it as my next vacuum, I would even turn down the offer of another vacuum just to get this :)
Thank you! :)


Post# 301574 , Reply# 216   10/12/2014 at 15:55 (3,455 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Well said olive oil tinfoil :)

Post# 301575 , Reply# 217   10/12/2014 at 16:00 (3,455 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Agreed!

Post# 301576 , Reply# 218   10/12/2014 at 16:02 (3,455 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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I am Glad someone finally said it

Post# 301577 , Reply# 219   10/12/2014 at 16:06 (3,455 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Its true though, Dyson may be the state of the art again? Maybe :) they are really improving! Although Vax took over and are still the best seller now

Post# 301578 , Reply# 220   10/12/2014 at 16:12 (3,455 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Btw I could get approx 8 inches under my bed when I was vacuuming my room with my DC14 origin today. It has a high cleaner head, especially when you tilt the vacuum back, the thing is that thelarge wheels at the back are there, and the cleaner head comes away from the floor when leant back at a large angle. With the ball ones, there is a nice cleaner head which is not high, it is max 3 inches, depending if you have a dc15, 25 or 41 etc... Then the ball can roll, but of course its big with all the components cleverly fitted inside. Also you can now vacuum under radiators with the ball machines! Just push forwards and move the handle to the opposite direction, without turning it, easy! :)

Post# 301587 , Reply# 221   10/12/2014 at 17:29 (3,455 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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The Dyson is a good performer, but not the best example of quality. As far as modern plastics are concerned, the Dyson is one of the leaders in modern durable plastics, but will the Dyson be around to clean in 40,50,60,70 years? Unlikely. If it hasn't broken after the warranty period, you've updated to the latest model. Your opinion can change, you've only had the Dyson for a month, in 5 years will you still be satisfied with your purchase? Will the Dyson still be in one piece in 10,20 years? 

 

Compared to the modern range of bagless, Dyson is leading the market in performance.in my opinion, There is only two bagless vacuums that can excel the latest Dyson models in cleaning, and those two are Fantom and Amway. Honestly, if I had to pick a modern bagless to use,I would choose Dyson. While it does out perform other models, the $700 price tag is ridiculous. The thing is, though, people will pay this price just to one-up their friends. You could buy multiple better bagged vacuums that would out last Dyson for that price, but the market is only concerned with bagless. Bags have become a forgotten art, despite their superiority to bagless, but this is not the place to rant on the matter.

 

Parwaz- I'm not sure about Britain, but in America the beds have about 5 inches of clearance between them and the floor. Even the mighty Kirby could not clear that gap. However, the Dyson has trouble under tables, chairs and etc. It's easy to scratch your furniture with the Dyson (and I'm not hating on Dyson, many bagless cleaners have this problem). The problem is bulk, and lots of it. I can imagine the ball technology could make furniture damage an easy accident.

 

Oh and Marcusprit, the Bel Air was one of Chevrolet's biggest successes, and you don't see many people knocking those! wink


Post# 301589 , Reply# 222   10/12/2014 at 17:33 (3,455 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I will post a pic later of my D 14 origin with how far it can get under the bed. It doesn't lie fast, but it can get under it a bit at certain angles, and in Britain its about the same too.

Post# 301591 , Reply# 223   10/12/2014 at 17:36 (3,455 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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I find it hard to believe, but I'll look forward to the picture! If I remember tomorrow I'll snap a picture of other machines and how far they can reach under the bed for comparison! wink


Post# 301593 , Reply# 224   10/12/2014 at 17:37 (3,455 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

By the way the only reasons you see Dysons all over eBay is because of the filters. People dont wash them, so they either lose suction or that causes the motor to burn out. It could even be something else! Like a blockage, or the clutch being turned off which some people dont know about the brush controls believe it or not!

If people wash the filters at least every six months, they will be fine. It's the only maintenance the vacuum needs, a filter wash just as little as twice a year and it will never lose suction under normal domestic use. dyson state this clearly in their manuals and on the machine they try to make people aware of the filters with stickers etc!



Post# 301594 , Reply# 225   10/12/2014 at 17:38 (3,455 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Lol okay, we will compare each other's pics then :P
I would have done it by now but it's currently 11:39 PM and im in bed, my Dyson is downstairs so CBA lol
And I will even get a ruler and take a pic of how high the bed gap is


Post# 301596 , Reply# 226   10/12/2014 at 17:48 (3,455 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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I'm going to say is The Dyson DC 65 and Dc41mk2 would definitely out claim a fantom and amway The older Dysons wouldn't and Dyson doesn't cost $700 you can get a Dyson DC 65 for about $450. The problem I find this fact machines as I don't like as the dirt just sits in a bag to rot.

Post# 301598 , Reply# 227   10/12/2014 at 18:00 (3,455 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Now I'm just leave it to oil tinfoil as he is good at replies

Post# 301600 , Reply# 228   10/12/2014 at 18:21 (3,455 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Dyson boy,I popped into Target last night and looked at the DC65, it was $600 or $700, forget which. Nope, wasn't going to buy one, not a chance! tongue-out

 

It's 7:20 pm in sunny Florida. You're absolutely right, people get rid of their vacuums for all kinds of stupid reasons, good idea about the ruler! wink


Post# 301630 , Reply# 229   10/13/2014 at 06:38 (3,454 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I agree with super-sweeper. The Dyson is a good performer and certainly the best bagless vacuum on the market. My biggest objection to Dyson are the false "no loss of suction" claim and the price tag for a vacuum that's performance is less of a lot of cheaper machines and with lesser build quality. £400+ for a cheap, Malaysian made heap of plastic is not acceptable. The price you pay is all going into R&D to keep refining the cleaner. I would personally rather have a machine with it's slight flaws, but that's a lot more solid.  

 

I've also noticed that, like Mr. Dyson himself, a lot of the Dyson fans (NOT ALL!)_tend to be blinded by them and refuse to accept the critique. No machine is perfect, but there are far too many people who seem to think that Dyson can do no wrong, and it's not true.

It's no secret that I'm a big fan of Sebo's, but I accept that their cleaners have flaws and I also appreciate, enjoy and even own a whole variety of other machines, old and new. I think a lot of the die-hard Dyson fans, whilst in no way diminishing their Dyson fandom, need to broaden their horrizons a bit.


Post# 301632 , Reply# 230   10/13/2014 at 07:15 (3,454 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Going flat and under beds are two different things...

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Parwaz - respectively although I'm not an expert on beds, most modern beds in Britain aren't British designed - but rather flat pack and assembled for sale in the UK. Some come from America, some come from IKEA but most of the budget ones come from Asia.

Most beds in Britain are those horrid divans. And I say that with great experience. The divans that have no space underneath to get a vacuum under because of tiny little castors that dig into the carpet and you get a cheap wood/chipboard frame with sliding doors or storage underneath. Those who pay more expensively for "Scandinavian" designed bed frames get an open space underneath - however the sizes differ dependent on the style of the frame rather than the depth underneath.

My late parents king size double frame was purchased originally from Habitat in the 1990s. It's an old one but by god is it sturdy and durable! It is also heavy and requires three people to move it.

It has a 10" clearance between the frame and the carpet. My old Vax Mach Air (not a main size upright you might agree on) used to scuff its bin at the front when the Vax was laid flat and even it couldn't lay flat because of the hose and its central hinge at the back.

That's the thing about most upright vacs today - they will lay flat at an angle close to 180 degrees, but not completely - helped by a huge hinge in the middle where the motor is placed and/or where the pivotal section that pushes the floor head down onto carpet. Older uprights have better, smaller necks in which cleaning flat can be exercised - but it also comes down to the design of the dust box, dust bag or bagless bin. I find I get more trouble with rounded bin vacuums under beds than the more angular styles offered by SEBO. Even the Felix can get under my parents bed, but it all comes down to the design of the whole vacuum when laying flat.

The "non-German" upright that I used to use to get under the bed was our old Oreck XL - but then I used to find that the floor head use to rise up and not allow the brush roll to maintain constant carpet cleaning.


Post# 301665 , Reply# 231   10/13/2014 at 12:18 (3,454 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Turbo 500 dyson is certainly a good performer. My biggest objection is
the false no loss of suction Claim but I am sorry but I certainly don't agree with you The new Dysons Are definitely no loss of suction and the old ones I don't think Are not loss of suction but the new ones are just fantastic and is has been proven to not lose suction I don't understand you think they're not but it's been prove. Performance is less than a lot of cheaper machines i'm sorry but the new Dyson been proven to clean carpets hard floors better than any other vacuum cleaner I Asked Dysons is it tested against Sebo and yes it was it was testing against their top performing model. And and the build quality was rubbish build quality is rubbish Well you're saying most machines Have crap Build quality cause every machine is even made out of ABS polycarbonate or both other manufacturers make in different ways you can make it flexible Or a couple different ways reason dice make it flexible as you can except more force and is very unlikely to break under pressure pets old Dysons as they were pretty brittle Dyson doesn't cost £400 A Dyson DC 41 MKII for £320 anything cheap plastic again it's plastic has been proven to last 10 years The Dyson is imperfect like other vacuums A lot people just like to pick them out they don't like the brand or have the old ones think you refuse to see Dyson has finally made a machine that can compete with you Sebo and in some cases out clean. Sorry but I don't think you can actually coming on and the new Dysons as you haven't actually have the new ones. I for the bad spelling is took a long time to doing fine doesn't always write everything I say


Post# 301669 , Reply# 232   10/13/2014 at 13:11 (3,454 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Why does there always need to be the word "prove" used whenever a Dyson model or the name is mentioned?

Secondly, why do Dyson filters exist that you can buy for those new models? They can't all be breaking down in the first three weeks of ownership, surely?

Thirdly, nothing "can be proved." We can have members on here glossing over new models and testing them straight out of the box to show how well a particular model picks up, or if it has a fancy new design element that is supposed to be easier than previous efforts. That doesn't prove better pick up.

But then I think watching those kinds of videos often give a better impression of what brands would have you believe rather than so-called "independent" testing by the brand.

Dyson's "independent" testing - if it is a test that has been carried out by the selling brand, I would doubt anything they say that "proves" their model is better. Of course they are never going to say, "well the SEBO was better at laying flat because our Dyson design doesn't go that far," or "Well the SEBO offers variable suction control, whereas we don't.." Not exactly independent then.

If it is an independent testing ground that genuinely points out pros and cons, I would half believe it. but the criteria would have to be the same. Here is where Which? Consumer mag have let themselves down - they have lessened the amount of useful to know testing specifics and do not test every vacuum cleaner they test with the same information to tell the consumer.

Regardless of whether it is a Dyson, SEBO, Miele, Numatic or any other brand.


Post# 301672 , Reply# 233   10/13/2014 at 13:34 (3,454 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

OK super sweeper, I got some pics of my DC14 going under the bed a bit with two ruler pics included measuring the gap underneath the bed in CM and inches
:)
As you can see in the last pic the motor unit can fit underneath, but the post filter bit sticks out, but it cal still go under furniture a bit like I said, it measures nearly 24 cm and just about 9 inches
It's alright really, but it's no DC03


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Post# 301673 , Reply# 234   10/13/2014 at 13:43 (3,454 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Claims done by Dyson has to be proved by industry-standard it doesn't meet the standards of the claim can't be made.Dyson do many tests to prove their machines clean betterthey test the machines multiple bins full of Dust and they put the machine on the testing facility.and tested on multiple carpets and hard floor they test Machine has been battered and had lots and lots of dust put in it Machine is tested the dust inside If a another manufacturer fine is the claim to be false they can sue the company with the Claim . You know what Dysons is Ike they don't get sued so they make sure everything is in order make sure the claim is on breakable.

Post# 301676 , Reply# 235   10/13/2014 at 13:47 (3,454 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Is some pics of the Dyson DC 41 going under the bed.

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Post# 301677 , Reply# 236   10/13/2014 at 13:48 (3,454 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Hey some pics of the claim

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Post# 301679 , Reply# 237   10/13/2014 at 13:54 (3,454 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Mmm, but that Dyson is not "under a bed" though - the floor head has only been put under the perimeter of the bed, Parwaz. I think you might know what I mean by my own pics.



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Post# 301680 , Reply# 238   10/13/2014 at 14:25 (3,454 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Oh, yh indeed :) the only Dyson upright which can is the DC03 and it lies flat on the floor, 180 degrees 😀 and the digital slim models can too, but they are cordless stick handy quick grab and go sort of vacs though 😩👌✌️

Post# 301681 , Reply# 239   10/13/2014 at 14:29 (3,454 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Who pics of the thin DC03 which is only 142 mm high when lied down flat! And this is from 1997

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Post# 301683 , Reply# 240   10/13/2014 at 14:41 (3,454 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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So it begs me to ask, that if the Dyson DC03 way back then had such a great angle for cleaning, to why current models can't?


Post# 301687 , Reply# 241   10/13/2014 at 15:31 (3,454 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Not sure, they should have thought of a solution now
I will give you that, though. Dyson is an improvement brand which solves problems which others ignore


Post# 301693 , Reply# 242   10/13/2014 at 16:32 (3,454 days old) by MadaboutSebo (Midlands, UK)        

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I owned a DC03 and while the suction was not the best the slim designed compared to the DC01 was a nice welcome as you could lie the machine flat and get under low furniture very easily. Why Dyson haven't evolved this design I'm not sure. They designed the DC03 as a lighter, slim compact machine over the heavier, bulky DC01. There is no reason why they can not come out with a ball that will lie flat and fit completely under furniture being as they are now only developing the ball range.

I was an avid Dyson fan and owner and user of several models while I'm still interested in what Dyson comes out with regards to new technology and admire Sir James Dyson for what he has achieved. I never thought I would try any other type of vacuum cleaner again. Here I am using bag vacuums which I never thought I would. There are pro's and cons of both and everyone has an opinion and preferences. From personal experience I do think it pays to be open minded and experience different vacuum cleaners.

I have to say (although not yet tried one, but will at some point) the Dyson DC41 MK2 looks very impressive, not sure I could go back to a bagless vacuum to messy to empty. One think that amongst others that I liked about Dyson is the 'green' aspect no bags being used and I do like to and try to be greener to the environment.

One thing I question myself having used a bagged vacuum for 7 years now is all the rubber seals on the bagless vacuums bin and cyclone assemblies and the inner parts you can not get to, to clean. The average user will just empty the bin, dust and dirt gets onto the rubber seals (I used to clean mine after each empty on my Dyson's i owned) so when they close the bin a 'true' seal in my mind is not achieved. The inner parts of the cyclone that collects fine dust you can not get to or not very easily to clean. The average user will not attempt to take it apart or risk the guarantee and submerge in water to clean the inner parts. There lies fine dust within the unit!

As I've learnt no vacuum cleaner is perfect, and all have pro's and cons.



Post# 301696 , Reply# 243   10/13/2014 at 16:48 (3,454 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Excuse me, Josh, how do you know what I own and what I don't? How do you know what I've used and where I've used it? You don't. So shush.

The "no loss of suction" claim is ridiculous. Like a bag, the more you use the cleaner, the more the suction drops as the filter clogs up. The "no loss of suction" is dependant on the filters being maintained. In reality, the only way to prevent any suction drop is to put a new filter in the machine every time you use it. Even washing it doesn't remove ALL of the dust.

You talk a lot about the DC41mk2, but what about the 41 other sub-par vacuums that came before it? Do you really think it's acceptable to have 21 years of under performing vacuums and fraudulent claims and just one good cleaner?

I fail to see what comparing the DC41mk2 to Sebo is meant to do, apart from you trying to stir things and try and get my back up. Well, I'm happy to say you failed entirely. At no point in my post did I compare the Dyson to a Sebo. Incidentally, I can think of at least 3 bagless vacuums I would rather own over the DC41mk2, and that's not even considering the bagged vacuums I consider higher performing and better built.


Post# 301701 , Reply# 244   10/13/2014 at 17:26 (3,454 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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. Yes some other bagluss machines do lose suction cause of got in efficient cyclones don't separate the dirt very well but if you were to have the dc41mk2 cyclones are fantastic at separate dust and dirt The filter on mine you'll spotless after months finally lose suction if I don't clean the filter I don't have to do that until it's dirty.. Dyson was not always trying to invent better vacuum cleaners I innovating all the time.laughing




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Post# 301712 , Reply# 245   10/13/2014 at 17:54 (3,454 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Ok Dys0nB0y,I hate to be rude, but if Dyson told you their vacuums were imported from an Australian factory owned by the governor of Alaska? That Dyson looks like it'll have a ball getting out from under that bed, the ball is stuck inside the bed! surprised

 

Parwaz, I've got pictures of many models, I'm on my tablet right now, I'll upload them in a bit! wink


Post# 301715 , Reply# 246   10/13/2014 at 18:01 (3,454 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Super sweeper I don't get it :)

Post# 301716 , Reply# 247   10/13/2014 at 18:20 (3,454 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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"Here we go again commenting on something that they don't even own.."

Well, we went all along with your previous response claiming that Dyson have tested against SEBO. Where is your evidence? Not trying to stir things up, there, were you?

Well spotted Super-S - I did see that ball over the metal bar drop of the bed frame and wondered how on earth the ball managed to get in and get out without being scuffed.



Post# 301717 , Reply# 248   10/13/2014 at 18:29 (3,454 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Bickering again, are we? 😱 Such fun isnt it... Not. 😾😡 I am kind of fed up now regarding this debate.😴😁
Well, I can assure you my DC14 was not shoved under the bed super sweeper, but good observations there👀. I pushed mine till it wouldn't go anymore, with normal force instead of forcing it in there.

I cant wait to see your pics :) 👍 thanks for taking time out of your day to take the pics for us super sweeper 😊😓 very much appreciated


Post# 301718 , Reply# 249   10/13/2014 at 18:32 (3,454 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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I haven't got any evidence but that's what Dyson told me. Not to stir things up but I can see it in the new EU ratings Dyson get a better eu label what like you said the ratings are pretty messed up and some vacuum cleaners.Just to say I did have a
Sebo x4 for about a year be honest it was quite good but I hated the Hose design but it Did quite well. I used to use one im not sure what model it is for about two years at my school.


Post# 301720 , Reply# 250   10/13/2014 at 18:34 (3,454 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, the bickering WOULDN"T HAPPEN if thoughtless comments were passed without a moment's thought or actual evidence of some sort. Lets not forget the previous thread of a Hoover Vortex on Ebay, Parwaz!

Post# 301722 , Reply# 251   10/13/2014 at 18:48 (3,454 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Anyone remember the news report that Dyson released before the EU labels were actually produced? I can remember distinctively, the worry that his vacuums would not meet the ratings planned.

After the law came into force and he realised that he could make up his own ratings, well of course he is going to laud up his vacuums.

Already other members have noted that the EU ratings applied to other vacuums are lower. It isn't an independent team from the EU being sent to every brand to throughly test every vacuum cleaner's actual performance OTHER than efficiency. Oh yes there's plenty of criteria about how the tests should be carried out.

Until the EU actually put a totally independent team in place to test each brand and each model, EU ratings in my mind are a lot of marketing nonsense.

Ironically enough in today's fashion where value for money counts for all and where we're only coming out of a recession ever so slowly, the word "economy" still holds a high regard. New buyers may well be more confused than ever before but may well only see the "A" rating for efficiency before they gloss over everything else.


Post# 301726 , Reply# 252   10/13/2014 at 18:57 (3,454 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Parwaz, I was referring you Dys0nb0y's photo, not yours! wink


Post# 301731 , Reply# 253   10/13/2014 at 19:15 (3,454 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Hey, look everyone! I'm vacuuming under my bed!tongue-out


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Post# 301734 , Reply# 254   10/13/2014 at 19:29 (3,454 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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LOL I guess the Kirby CAN reach under beds, or at least the G3, my Heritage II looked at the bed and said, 'NOPE!' tongue-out


Post# 301758 , Reply# 255   10/13/2014 at 21:09 (3,454 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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OK Parwaz, I made a thread for this before somebody throws a fit over thread hijacking! Check the Vintage forum! wink


Post# 301774 , Reply# 256   10/14/2014 at 02:16 (3,454 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Sebo_fan, involving Dyaon into that thread was not intentional, instead it was taken the wrong way, and. I was just emphasising how crap the Hoover was compared to a well known machine which I am sure Chris had had experience with

Post# 301778 , Reply# 257   10/14/2014 at 06:00 (3,453 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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This is getting stupidly pathetic now. No, the dyson DC41 can NOT lay flat on the floor to clean under most beds, but it goes under much more than a lot of other vacuums, especially bagless ones. Yes, some people don't like bagless machines as they are messier to empty, some don't like the expense and odours from bags. Each to their bloody own!

No, Dyson is not the perfect company. Neither is Sebo, neither is Kirby. Dyson products are expensive for what they are, but you are buying a state of the art "BAG-LESS" vacuum. Sebo moaned and complained about these EU regulations as well, not something you'd expect from a company specialising in the professional market, and Kirbys sales tactics leave a lot to be desired. Nothing in life is perfect!

This thread was supposed to be about my new DC41 mk2 and how much I love it and am impressed by it. It was not a thread where people start bashing dyson or any other brand. Make your own thread fi you want to do that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but half of this thread has not being about my DC41, but about others claiming how their vacuum is so much better and the dyson is sh*t.

Get a life, seriously.


Post# 301797 , Reply# 258   10/14/2014 at 10:57 (3,453 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Yes, I also liked the D 41 mk2 thread.

Anyways, would you say that the DC41's hose suction is better than the hose suction on your 2014 Vax upright?:)
198 AW, but its impressive how that vacuum was designed to make it work better than other machines with higher airwatts!


Post# 301798 , Reply# 259   10/14/2014 at 11:04 (3,453 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Is that picture it on the Argos catalogue and it shows how much suction it's got at the cleaner head how they get great pick up because they focus most of suction at the head.

Post# 301799 , Reply# 260   10/14/2014 at 11:06 (3,453 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Post# 301800 , Reply# 261   10/14/2014 at 11:08 (3,453 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I would say the dyson diffidently has more hose suction that the Vax. The Felix with an empty bag has very good suction as well. I know these can vary according to the diameter of the hose as well as the actual air watts of the vacuum. With the felix of course, as the bag fills, the suction does deteriorate. Not considerably but there is a differences and you can tell.

The dyson has not lost suction at all, and even after vacuuming up sawdust and plaster with it the other week, not a spec of evidence is found on the filter. I wouldn't usually vacuum such things up, but I trust the dyson filtration system. I will also add the post motor filter has not got any signs of carbon dust on it either.


Post# 301801 , Reply# 262   10/14/2014 at 11:09 (3,453 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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Hey olive oil tinfoil how is the filter and yours is it still spotless. Cycling to just fantastic and never seen a cycling machine to filter out so much dust since finally made a machine that can agitate carpet and have a sufficient site can't actually separate the dust and dirt

Post# 301819 , Reply# 263   10/14/2014 at 14:07 (3,453 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Wow, I am impressed with the new radial root cyclone technology! Cinetics are a bit over the top, but this is also good
Our DC07 origin filter stays pretty clean even after months of use, and that is the first root cyclone machine from 2001... It is the updated model with the de rooted cyclone. Its loud but is a really powerful machine.


Post# 301821 , Reply# 264   10/14/2014 at 14:12 (3,453 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I am amazingly overwhelmed with the new Dyson, it seems fantastic!
Five year guarantee
Performance
Durability
Style
Filtration
Features
Wattage
Modern
Pets
In 21 years they made a hell of a jump from the classic old faithful dinosaur, the DC01 all the way to this new DC41. That is really impressive, cant wait to get one! I would also like a DC59 as. I imagine that would be very useful. I hope to get it soon whilst Dyson's offer is still on with the three free tools, I would choose the ZORN, soft dusting brush and flexi crevice tool


Post# 301844 , Reply# 265   10/14/2014 at 15:59 (3,453 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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No wonder Dyson won't mention other brands in his ads. He's too afraid of a lawsuit. Data graphs don't provide anything really. They inform in the same way that other marketing and advertising tactics do.

Post# 301863 , Reply# 266   10/14/2014 at 17:52 (3,453 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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I'm not even sure what to do in this thread anymore, I just told you that I thought the DC65 was a decent bagless, even the best on the market! I can't even share your opinion without you throwing a fit! No matter what anybody says, you stick to your Dyson like it's life or death, why are you telling me to get a life when you're always there to stop anybody who says anything bad about Dyson! Like you said, there is no perfect vacuum, and their CERTAINLY isn't a perfect vacuumlander! 


Post# 301892 , Reply# 267   10/14/2014 at 22:14 (3,453 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Well, you must admit it is an effective tactic! If you can't beat a certain somebody's vacuum or what ever for that matter,  then ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK the person directly!frown


Post# 301894 , Reply# 268   10/14/2014 at 22:24 (3,453 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Calem, this discussion is heated enough without you trying to launch Kirby War XVII over there! laughing


Post# 301911 , Reply# 269   10/15/2014 at 04:27 (3,452 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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"198 AW, but its impressive how that vacuum was designed to make it work better than other machines with higher airwatts!"

...you mean like Hoover did for 80-odd years with the combination of the "beats, as it sweeps, as it cleans" brushroll and the dirty fan motor, giving superior carpet cleaning?

Yeh, real original there Dyson, bravo! The direct drive brushroll is also nothing new. The Panasonic Icon launched in 1998 was the first to feature that design, 15 years before Dyson.

Once again, nothing original from Mr. D at all.


Post# 301915 , Reply# 270   10/15/2014 at 06:15 (3,452 days old) by Kirbyduh (Kentucky )        
Nice Vacuum

I really like that Dyson. I have a DC44 on its way in the mail for my quick pickups as I have the Dyson bug.

I wonder why the US DC65 doesn't have that slider? That is a really neat feature.

I may look at getting my church to upgrade to a DC65 as our DC25 has given us years of faithful service. (In a church. Teeheehee) People can say what they will about Dyson, but that DC25 had kept our Church's White, plush carpet looking very good for several years. It really pulls up a ton of dirt. The ball is awesome for maneuvering around the pews.


Post# 301919 , Reply# 271   10/15/2014 at 07:04 (3,452 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Supersweeper,

It isn't just this thread. On nearly every other thread you have participated in, you either constantly bash dyson or rave and rant about Kirbys. I, and very few other people don't go onto other similar threads such as this and say "the Kirby is rubbish, my sebo is better", or "My miele will outclean such and such". Maybe that might be the case. But you only seem content on either raving or bashing one vacuum cleaner or another. Other people on this thread have said things like they like it, looks like a nice vacuum, or I wish they did this or that, etc. That is fine, or if you don't like it, so what? That is a discussion! But the constant, repetitive same old is just irritating.

Your sarcasm when it comes to "inferior dyson" is to much its tacky. Look at what you have put. It is you particularly I am having a problem with, and others are as well. Just take it down a notch. I have said this a lot foo times now, have your opinion, express your opinion, but be mature and decent about it. Constantly bashing or raving one particular brand or another is repetitive and not interesting. We are supposed to be vacuum enthusiasts. Just like car enthusiasts, you can have brand loyalty but respecting and acknowledging that SOMETIMES, other manufactures make nice products as well is what its all about. Like I said, I have sebos, numatics, Bosch, Vax and Bissells and they are brilliant products.

I have criticised dyson in the past and will continue to do so. Not everything they make is wonderful, but a lot of their stuff is. That is just my opinion. Same as sebo, arguably the felix is their best model, however I don't think the X1.1 is as good as it cane be due to the automatic height adjustment.

Basically, be a bit more diverse !


Post# 301963 , Reply# 272   10/15/2014 at 17:09 (3,452 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)        

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To say that I know everyone thinks that Dyson don't put anyone Rubber plastic to protect hard floors if you have a look at the ball you can notice is a little bit squidgy on the lines is actually carnival and what about material on the lines and there is some on the whale at the bottom


Post# 301972 , Reply# 273   10/15/2014 at 18:43 (3,452 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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I see, I'll dial down the Kirby setting a bit. Glad we can have a conversation without yelling for once! wink


Post# 302055 , Reply# 274   10/16/2014 at 15:29 (3,451 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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"Supersweeper, it isn't just this thread. On nearly every other thread you have participated in, you either constantly bash dyson or rave and rant about Kirbys. I, and very few other people don't go onto other similar threads such as this and say "the Kirby is rubbish, my sebo is better", or "My miele will outclean such and such". Maybe that might be the case. But you only seem content on either raving or bashing one vacuum cleaner or another. Other people on this thread have said things like they like it, looks like a nice vacuum, or I wish they did this or that, etc. That is fine, or if you don't like it, so what? That is a discussion! But the constant, repetitive same old is just irritating."

 

I completely agree with this. It does get annoying and why not post about Kirbys in threads about Kirbys?

 

Also, earlier on someone mentioned that a product would not be successful if it wasn't for clever marketing and advertising, while I do think advertising certainly boosts Dyson's sales, a product does not need to be heavly advertised to be sucsessful! Just look at Numatic, they don't advertise and never have done, yet Henry and his family are still the best selling vacuum cleaners in the UK!

 

Joe


Post# 302058 , Reply# 275   10/16/2014 at 15:38 (3,451 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I used my dyson today to do a right ol' clean through top to bottom. I find I can do it much quicker with the dyson than any other vacuum I have used, including my bosch athelt. The bosch, I can do a room in 2 or 3 minutes properly , but it is out of puff after two carpeted rooms, and I wish I was joking.

The fact everything is so at hand on the dyson, to grab the hose and snap on the combination tools, it is just so easy. I love it, and each time I use it, I find it very difficult to relate to the many drawbacks other people claim these dysons have.

That is true. A good product will sell itself, however that doesn't mean that a product that is advertised is only done so because they don't sell. Take the iphones. They are advertised more than any other phone yet they are sold more than any other phone. In the first week, they sold 15 million units, with no advertising. In fact the first advert I saw for the iPhone 6 was today, about 2 hours ago ahah!

Sometimes advertising is just making would be customer and current customers aware of new models.


Post# 302059 , Reply# 276   10/16/2014 at 15:46 (3,451 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Very true. It's funny you say that, as I just saw an advert for the new iPhone 6 too!!


Post# 302077 , Reply# 277   10/16/2014 at 18:59 (3,451 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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LOL forget the iPhone 6, My kitchen phone is from 1984 and i couldn't be happier! tongue-out

 

I just had an idea about merging the best of both worlds, imagine KIRBY but with the DYSON ball! that and the model 557 are planned as soon as i find some, um, "test subjects" willing to become the cutting edge of home vacuuming! tongue-out

 

Yes, I have mentioned Kirby in other threads, and hope i haven't completely taken over a thread in the name of Kirby. in the event that i have, I apologize. don't forget that we have members that take over threads in Dyson's name, too, and that off-topic conversations can add variety and spice to a thread (I.E-The DC982 is coming out, let's compare it too other vacuums, and give opinions and facts and what not), and not (Hey look the DC928 is coming out, let's launch Kirby War XXVIV!). wink


Post# 302082 , Reply# 278   10/16/2014 at 19:11 (3,451 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        

It is very true that not all products need advertising, however one must consider that the iPhone like Dyson, already have a loyal customer following. Plus with the internet one can do some quick research to see if and when a new product will be coming out. People were anticipating the release of the new iPhone, and the same can be said about video game systems, and video games their selves. Technology has always been the biggest seller and the top category of product to have such high anticipation and sells when a new model or device is released.


Post# 302086 , Reply# 279   10/16/2014 at 19:18 (3,451 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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you're right, the following! if the crowd so much as hears about a new model, it's off to Best-Buy! shame, instead of keeping something going and getting your money's worth out of it, people would rather flock out in droves to drop cash on the latest and greatest. You're right about video game systems, especially the Console War last year! still not upgrading, the Xbox One seems to focus more on TV and Webcams then gaming, my faithful 360 Elite keeps soldiering on! laughing


Post# 302098 , Reply# 280   10/16/2014 at 20:47 (3,451 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Alex, you would have to admit that KIRBY WORLD WAR XXVII would have been truly most GLORIOUS!!!smile The smell of plastic burning would have been invigorating.frown.....tongue-out

 


Post# 302103 , Reply# 281   10/16/2014 at 21:47 (3,451 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Calem, even Kirby has some plastic on it! I doubt a chrome plated bumper would protect your furniture! surprised


Post# 302105 , Reply# 282   10/16/2014 at 21:59 (3,451 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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FURNITURE ....FURNITURE....HOW DARE YOU TO BRING UP SUCH TRIFLES!!! MAY A THOUSAND CURSES FALL UPON....OH, FORGET ABOUT IT - WHO REALLY CARES ANYWAY.cry  

 

 

 


Post# 302109 , Reply# 283   10/16/2014 at 22:33 (3,451 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Um, ok well happy 1,111th post, Calem! That's one way to use it! laughing


Post# 302115 , Reply# 284   10/16/2014 at 23:11 (3,451 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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Sure...sure...Thanks a bazillion, Alex!wink Oh Yeah, HAPPY 3249 posts, Alex! Now, that's a whole lot of jibber jabber!tongue-out


Post# 302127 , Reply# 285   10/17/2014 at 03:16 (3,451 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I am a great believer in getting my money worth out of anything I buy, and I certainly don't follow the trend when it comes to technology, especially the iPhones. I used to by only apple products but the constant shoving in your face of "this on is better, in every way, we have redefined gravity" and the tacky adverts is poor business tactics when someone paid over £500 for your "latest" model last year. In fact, it was reported that the year on year iOS updated actually slow down the older model iphones so the customer thinks they are "wearing out" and buy another one. Not to mention the fact you can not open the phone up to replace a battery because they have patented screws only authorised dealers have. It is complete BS.

As regards the games console, I think I got a good run with my PS3 I got at the tale end of 2007, which I only upgraded to an xbox one at the end of last year. They are brilliant consoles I must say.

Anyways back to vacuums, yes. A Kirby/Dyson hybrid? One can only dream on. A interesting and as great that product would be, I would imagine that would never happen :3


Post# 302134 , Reply# 286   10/17/2014 at 06:03 (3,450 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

You play PS3? :D OMG YAY

Post# 302139 , Reply# 287   10/17/2014 at 10:18 (3,450 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I used to. When I got my PS3 in 2007 I was 21 and had more time and was more interested in it, now I work for myself and lead a more busy life style ahah! I mean I got an XBOX one in October last year and the last time I played in was May. Good spend of £500 I must say :3

Post# 302160 , Reply# 288   10/17/2014 at 14:48 (3,450 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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@Kirbyduh

Oh no, don't get a Dyson according to some of these guys. They have no "original ideas", even though Panasonic and Dyson have had a tie up for about 15 years with Panasonic supplying the right to dyson for the direct drive motor, and supplying them with the main suction motors. This is really important stuff apparently.


Post# 302163 , Reply# 289   10/17/2014 at 14:55 (3,450 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

That's great to hear :D I am into gaming myself, I wanna get the PS4, but not yet as there's not much games for it

Post# 302173 , Reply# 290   10/17/2014 at 15:21 (3,450 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
Here's a few interesting facts about motors, not braggin

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Did you know that Kirby makes it's own suction motors?

 

You will never find a Panasonic or a Lamb motor inside a Kirby.

 

Kirby motors are famous for producing the most power per watt than any other vacuum motor due to the special type of feild and armature windings used.


Post# 302196 , Reply# 291   10/17/2014 at 17:52 (3,450 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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Lamb (Or at least older generations) Motors are nearly indestructible. they're very easy to take apart and rebuild in the event a fault occurs. They're seen in Kenmore Canisters, the die-hard of Shag-Conquerors! laughing

 

Oli, that's horrible of Apple to do that to their customer, but also expected when they rule all of Cellphone Land. what a spit in the face to Apple fans, "If you don't want our new phone, maybe we'll convince you by making your older model slower!", that's terrible business. Who knows, Maybe 20 years from now, Dyson vacuums can access the internet, and give you some kind of "Look how much dust you vacuumed and how many calories you burned!" thing....but then they would make the older model cleaners fail by remote control, and play ads while vacuuming! You know, there WAS a vacuum that played ads while you were vacuuming? Well, in a way, first one to guess the vacuum right by 7:30 PM EST gets Kirby Points! wink

 

Oh believe me, The Kirby/Dyson hybrid is possible. Did you ever hear about KSSRC? That's Kenmore Southern-States Restoration Center. I run the facility, and already have plans for the Model 557, it can do something no Kirby has ever done before, but I won't say what! and that's NOT including the Handi-Gardener! tongue-out 

It's only a matter of time before the KirbSon comes out (say, that doesn't sound like too bad of a model name, any suggestions?), really it's only until i find a parts machine willing to step into the 21st Century! It's not as hard as you think to give the Kirby "Ball" Technology, Anything is possible at KSSRC! wink

 

 


Post# 302253 , Reply# 292   10/18/2014 at 04:19 (3,450 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Not all companies which have the monopoly in a certain industry are as vile as Apple. Forget the stupid, over priced, over marketed, out of date technology Apple sells, the company itself is less than responsible for the well being of their employees. Their products are largely made by foxconn, a Taiwanese manufacturing company based in China, meaning apple outsource all of their manufacturing to third parties. This is not as commonplace as one would think, especially in the phone industry. In fact I think the only other people who get their phones outsourced is Sony, also to foxconn, but HTC make most of their phone in house in Taiwan, Nokia make theirs in China, in house, same with Samsung, and LG make their higher end phones, again in house, in Korea. This ensure quality control and correct specifications of the build of their products.

Foxconn have been in the limelight a lot in recent years due to the suicide at their facilities, by the workers who cant bare to work/live their any longer. They feel they have to however, to provide for themselves and their families. In all honesty, lack of regulation in China especially when it comes to foreign investment in manufacturing is deliberately thin on the ground, to drive in more investment. This means however that the companies who run the factories can literally get away with blue-murder, enforcing ridiculous terms and conditions and work loads never seen before in the western world. But that is what Chinas economy is based around, so as long as it works for them, who cares right ? The UN don't intervene at all.

Unlike Microsoft and a lot of other US multinationals, Apple has no recorded event of ever giving money to charity. Not that it is strictly necessary, but it holds a company in higher value, especially towards the public.

For the record, Dyson make their vacuums in house in their own facilities in conjunction with a singapour based industrial group. Dyson make their digital motors in house as well, only importing the suction motors from Panasonic for their vacuums. I also know Miele make everything in house, from the motors to the wheel bearings, as do numatic. Sebo I believe make nearly everything themselves, but use Bosch motors now I believe, someone correct me if I am wrong. Of course Kirby make everything themselves as well.


Post# 302256 , Reply# 293   10/18/2014 at 05:56 (3,449 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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China has been like that for years though, Oli - not just with multinational Western brands. Apple aren't alone here.

As for Dyson, I don't really take much interest in what their policies are, or if they build their own motors, or even if they get the local plastic factory next door to supply a local produced product to slap on their machines.

The point for me is, Dyson need to move back to the UK and produce their vacuums there. James Dyson can't change his naturalisation and he shouldn't have to produce in China given the high cost of the products. Its been a bone of contention for years to the point that Dyson have announced their intention to return to the UK, but it hasn't really happened yet. Oh yes the headquarters are based in the UK, but that isn't enough.

Or do we Brits "turn a blind eye" ?


Post# 343801 , Reply# 294   2/13/2016 at 08:05 (2,966 days old) by elvina ()        
So Hard To Move

Hi

I have recently got a new DC41 Mk2. My previous DC41 moved really easily but this new one is quite hard to push but most importantly the swivel of the ball is really tight and if I turn sharply the head lifts off the floor. Dyson have supplied a new head but this is just the same. I rang them again and they are sending an engineer in a couple of weeks but I just wanted to see if anyone else had noticed this with the DC41 Mk2 please?

Thanks


Post# 343803 , Reply# 295   2/13/2016 at 08:08 (2,966 days old) by Parwaz786 ( )        

I got my Dyyson DC41 Mk2 brand new last week and have found no issues. I think you may need to use it for a few days for it to "break in". My ball is loose already and is easy to manoueuvre but it's impossible to turn on hard floors with the MAX setting on

Post# 343830 , Reply# 296   2/13/2016 at 09:25 (2,966 days old) by elvina ()        

Thanks for the reply Parwaz786. Having read your reply and looked at the video on the Dyson website I am sure that there must be something wrong with the ball on my DC41 Mk2 because it doesnt move smoothly at all and is really hard to move around. I have had it nearly a month and its not getting any easier. As for the slider on the front, I cant use that, it makes the vacuum impossible to move. Thanks again.


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