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Post# 296229   8/31/2014 at 07:18 (3,498 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Hey all

Can someone tell me which website in the uk was selling vacuums that were identical looking to the Sanitaire Dirty Air vacuums sold in the US? They were rebadged as something else though.

I've tried searching but to no avail.

Thank you.


Post# 296231 , Reply# 1   8/31/2014 at 07:56 (3,498 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Found one on ebay, seems they have gone bust...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Perfect-P103-1...


Post# 296300 , Reply# 2   8/31/2014 at 20:04 (3,497 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I thought you were happy with your Dyson? Lol

Post# 296302 , Reply# 3   8/31/2014 at 20:20 (3,497 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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I have never seen a "Perfect" vacuum in person, but I've heard they are actually Chinese clones. They also sell a knock off of an old Electrolux metal tank as well as their early plastic tank (Electrolux 2100). I've haven't heard how good the uprights are. The tanks get mixed reviews.

Post# 296333 , Reply# 4   9/1/2014 at 05:14 (3,497 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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I am happy with the DC07 but I am thinking of getting rid of the DC01 as it just blows dust around you end up chasing across the floor. So I am thinking of getting a sebo for downstairs and move the dc07 upstairs.

Post# 296340 , Reply# 5   9/1/2014 at 06:14 (3,497 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Thats a big pity regarding the Sanitaire uprights. I thought about getting one but bought the Vax VCU02 instead.

Post# 296357 , Reply# 6   9/1/2014 at 08:00 (3,497 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I recommend a Kirby, they are pretty damn good powerful vacuums

Post# 296360 , Reply# 7   9/1/2014 at 08:11 (3,497 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Tayyab, have you actually used a Kirby yet or are you basing that on info you've heard?

Correct me if I'm wrong Richard, but haven't you owned a Kirby previously?


Post# 296361 , Reply# 8   9/1/2014 at 08:34 (3,497 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Yes I've owned three! A heritage, a g5 & a sentria. All great vacuums but I have minimal carpet in my new house so too big and not practical.

I have rugs and landing carpet but rest is wooden floors. I don't like cylinders with all the hose they are a pain to store.


Post# 296363 , Reply# 9   9/1/2014 at 09:11 (3,496 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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You might be best off with a Felix, Richard. It's a bit like a cylinder stood on it's end with no hose. The whole PN comes off and a straight suction floortool can be added for bare floors, which would be good for the cat litter etc, but you won't have the problem of storage.

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Post# 296375 , Reply# 10   9/1/2014 at 09:59 (3,496 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I second that, Chris - good choice. The handle also has three height positions - the lowest one is perfect for storing the Felix away.

The only downside to the Felix is that the built in storage hose is short - so you'd have to buy yourself an X extension hose if you want added stretch.

Saying that, my old Felix is a daily driver. It seldom gets used with the extension hose and I just rely on the built in one.


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Post# 296420 , Reply# 11   9/1/2014 at 14:27 (3,496 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Chris, I am pretty certain Kirbys are very powerful, and based on information most collectors have said. And I believe it.

Post# 296448 , Reply# 12   9/1/2014 at 17:11 (3,496 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
based on information most collectors have said

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but you've never actually used one yourself? So you're basing this strong recommendation purely on hearsay? Don't get a job in Currys Tayyab, sales won't be your strong point.


Post# 296449 , Reply# 13   9/1/2014 at 17:13 (3,496 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I'm not, I want to be a Dyson engineer

Post# 296454 , Reply# 14   9/1/2014 at 17:26 (3,496 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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I will also agree with Turbo500 & sebo_fan the Felix very good choice. I love mine. I've got the Parquet head with my Felix and it is great on hard floors and with the swivel neck and rubber wheels it glides across hard floors with ease. Any debris on the brushes underneath I use the end of the hose when finished to clean them. I've even tried this head with the front brush strip removed for larger debris on hard floor, works very well as picking up the big bits. The bags last very well, mine is used most days dealing with pet hair and they last at least 3 months.

Post# 296617 , Reply# 15   9/2/2014 at 10:19 (3,495 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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I like the look of that sebo . Does it have a powered brush bar for the rugs and landing carpet? How easy is it to then clean the sofa of cat hair by putting upholstery tool on? Would I have to buy a separate hose? I still like the X1 looks a good all rounder.

Post# 296619 , Reply# 16   9/2/2014 at 10:27 (3,495 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yes, the SEBO Felix uses the ET-1 power nozzle - 4 height settings, brush roll on/off push button and a rather handy shut off function as well as press button release to the side (like the X) where the entire brush roll can be cleaned off.

Personally, if you keep the upright close to you, I find I can get by using the built-in hose and then a stair turbo brush tool that I swap around one of the tools for on the front holder at the front of the vac.

You can take off the entire body off the ET-1 and goes to a "large" hand held long corded suction vac but I find it bulky, though some owners don't.

The X1 is a great upright and light to push due to the sensor but the Felix is faster and swivels around corners IMHO.

I believe the SEBO Felix Pet comes with the stair turbo tool as standard but you could easily save yourself a fortune by buying the older Felix Vogue or indeed the Felix Navy (until the newer EU law ones come in) and then buy the tools you need over time such as stair turbo brush, extension hose etc


Post# 296628 , Reply# 17   9/2/2014 at 11:11 (3,495 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Richard, the Felix is an upright with a changeable floorhead. It comes with a powernozzle with manual guided height adjustment. The on-board hose is fine for cleaning the sofa with and the crevice tool and upholstery tool both clip onto the handle of the machine. The powernozzle comes as standard, the additional floorheads can be bought seperately, so if you swap the floorhead to a straight suction hard floor tool, it's the performance of a cylinder but in an upright form.

There used to be a really great, quick Felix demo on YouTube - I believe an official Sebo video - but I can't seem to find it now.

The X1 is fantastic and I do prefer it over the Felix, but for hard floors, the Felix is the way to go. The computer control height adjustment on the X series will lower itself on hard floors and will just end up pushing bits of cat litter around the floor.


Post# 296629 , Reply# 18   9/2/2014 at 11:16 (3,495 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The SEBO Felix Navy used to come with a Deluxe Parquet floor tool as standard (as mine did) with the PN head, so its always best to check what you get, now. The straight extension tube is an cost option tool should you also require it.

Check this video - it might be the one that Chris is referring to.






Post# 296630 , Reply# 19   9/2/2014 at 11:34 (3,495 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Good responses thank you. I particularly like the quick ready to use wand on the x1. Does the felix have something similar?

It says the brush roll can be turned off on the felix, would it then pick up cat litter or continue to push it about? The dyson I have doesn't spit it out it's the front of the head that doesn't quite sit high enough. As soon as it goes under the head it goes.


Post# 296633 , Reply# 20   9/2/2014 at 11:44 (3,495 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I find the Felix picks up crumbs - sorry I no longer have a cat - but depending on the height setting, it doesn't push cat litter long but does pick it up. Felix can also pick up stones, bigger than cat litter (Ive had mine outside doing the patio after a day when soil and stones get thrown up with pressure washer weeding and I use a spare ET-1 floor head purely for that.)

There isn't a quick wand release on the Felix - the Felix is designed for a small to medium home, so you'd lose out on that.

But then there's nothing stopping you from buying a spare wand for an X and combining that with the extension hose if you want extra reach. All tools fit onto the end of the wand.


Post# 296634 , Reply# 21   9/2/2014 at 11:46 (3,495 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Rice pick up test vs Vax VCU02






Post# 296635 , Reply# 22   9/2/2014 at 11:47 (3,495 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Richard, a few more pics that might help showing the powerhead, hand held mode, hard floor tool and upright hose mode. The Felix does not come wit can extension wand.

You could turn the brushroll off on the powernozzle for bare floors, but the proper hard floor brush has bristles like a cylinder floortool which are far better for cleaning on hard floors. Turning the brushroll off for bare floors works well to a certain extent, especially for dust and hair, but larger bits like cat litter can be a problem.


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Post# 296639 , Reply# 23   9/2/2014 at 11:57 (3,495 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Sorry I disagree, Chris.

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Look at this video of the D4 which uses a SEBO standard floor hard brush - it actually has longer bristles than the Deluxe Parquet brush - it struggles on hard beans on a hard floor. The D4 may be a different vacuum but it uses the same ET-1 power nozzle as the Felix and now UK versions of the K3 Premium.





Looks like I'll have to make a video picking up cat litter on a hard floor....


Post# 296641 , Reply# 24   9/2/2014 at 12:10 (3,495 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Yes but they're not vacuuming the hardfloors with the PN, which has even less clearance on hardfloors than the deluxe parquet brush.

Besides, who the heck vacuums up beans anyway? :P


Post# 296646 , Reply# 25   9/2/2014 at 12:45 (3,495 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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The cat litter I use is the wood pellet stuff it's bigger than standard granules of litter. A video from some of you would be great to see.

Also I think the x1 would be the better choice as instances such as cat litter the hose can be quickly pulled out just to pick the loose bits of litter up around her tray area. The felix you have to either turn the brush roll off which is a faff


Post# 296652 , Reply# 26   9/2/2014 at 13:00 (3,495 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well you can pick up the cat litter taking the hose out of the Felix and then using the extension crevice tool at the end of it. It just means having to take the hose out and then adding the crevice tool at the end of the hose each time.

But then again, if your cat litter is the wood pellet stuff - then I know the stuff rather well - it gets stuck up the crevice fairly easily on my pal's Vax upright and actually gets wedged into the end of it far too many times, then requiring a knitting needle to push it out.


Post# 296653 , Reply# 27   9/2/2014 at 13:01 (3,495 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Also Chris, the PN has four height settings. I believe the 3rd or 4th setting might do it. I'll have to check and see.

Right, where's me pasta twirls - that's bigger than wood pellets lol


Post# 296654 , Reply# 28   9/2/2014 at 13:01 (3,495 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I like my felix alot, My only negative is the hose, What on earth were they thinking. I almost feel they were designing a None hose style upright and at the last miniute the managment board said whoooa it must have a hose. Its stiff and ridged and not much use. With the addition of a extendable hose the machine becomes very useful but as a Sebo I would have expected more. I mean they had the awesome hose on the x and G machines so what gives, you go forward in design not backwards. The original 350 machines had a better hose on them. 

My only other gripe is the hard floor tool, Its really nice but they could have designed a better elbow in it as it is very difficult to stand the heavy machine against something when you are needing to stop vacuuming for a minute or so. My one has crashed t the floor more than once.

 

This is just my opinion but I really do like the machine and the way it cleans. If it had a better hose it would be the best sebo ever made. 


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Post# 296655 , Reply# 29   9/2/2014 at 13:04 (3,495 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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By the way the company that makes the sanitaire copy's is omnivac

They are actually rather good 



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Post# 296656 , Reply# 30   9/2/2014 at 13:05 (3,495 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well the hard floor isn't supposed to allow the heavy weight of the Felix to stand up on its own, Gareth. That's why there's a rubber end on the end of the handle.

Post# 296659 , Reply# 31   9/2/2014 at 13:11 (3,495 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Sure but its not always possible to stand it against something were the handle is against a wall, average homes in SA are much bigger than those in the UK so walls are further away in rooms. I have put my one aginst various things to rest and bang, oh and even a wall and it left a nice grey stripe of rubber on the wall as it slipped down. 


Post# 296661 , Reply# 32   9/2/2014 at 13:19 (3,495 days old) by baglessball ()        

I was really disappointed with my felix's performance on hard floors. I didn't rate it at all. (That was with the powerhead and brush switched off) I really liked the machine otherwise. I find the X1/4 machines pretty good on hard floors. There is knack all room between the baseplate and the floor though. I never tilt machines back for big bits, I tilt it sideways on the forward stroke and hop on to the offending chunk. It's faster.

Never tried the floor brush for the Felix, but liked the look if it.

I know I will be shot for saying it, but Dyson on hard floors are good. In particular DC14/DC15/DC33 as they all have a large debris channel at the front of the cleaner head.


Post# 296663 , Reply# 33   9/2/2014 at 13:22 (3,495 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Hmmm just seen this video the x1 seems quite good...

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Post# 296664 , Reply# 34   9/2/2014 at 13:23 (3,495 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
Sebo G1

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What do you think to this... Kind of like the idea of manual height adjust so that for hard floors I can set it so that it can just suck larger pieces of debris like cat litter straight up.

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Post# 296666 , Reply# 35   9/2/2014 at 13:27 (3,495 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Never liked the x machines automatic height adjustment, It always drove me insane and never left my carpets looking groomed, The G1 on the other hand is awesome, It cleans so well and because its manual you can set the height properly


Post# 296667 , Reply# 36   9/2/2014 at 13:27 (3,495 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
Dyson on hard floors

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Yeah they DC07 is good on hard floors just not cat litter or should I say wood pellets. DC07 has a massive cleaner head though so its a struggle to get under the table etc but still a good vac. Had to replace the motor last year as it went bang but as good as new since. May put this upstairs once I've got a sebo,

Shaun - is it worth getting a sebo comfort or g1? Does the comfort have manual height adjust?

I wouldn't want the one with the wide head though.


Post# 296668 , Reply# 37   9/2/2014 at 13:30 (3,495 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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G1 not available in the uk according to sebo website

Post# 296669 , Reply# 38   9/2/2014 at 13:31 (3,495 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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The G1 isn't available in the UK. To be honest, you'd probably be better off with the Automatic height adjustment on bare floors. It's not so good on lino though, it tends to stick to it.

 

Video attached which might help



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Post# 296671 , Reply# 39   9/2/2014 at 13:51 (3,495 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The G1/G2 isn't available any more in the UK from SEBO UK. However Roger bought one from Germany not so long ago.

Post# 296673 , Reply# 40   9/2/2014 at 14:01 (3,495 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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The problem with automatic height is the vac will always sit as close to the floor as it can. The dc07 on my kitchen rugs just ends up pulling he rugs all over the floor when I pull it back! Most annoying having it slightly off the floor would help.

Post# 296679 , Reply# 41   9/2/2014 at 14:29 (3,495 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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I personally don't use the ET-1 head on my Felix to vacuum hard floors unless I'm doing a very quick clean around. It's ok but not as effective as the deluxe parquet head which the vacuum came with. I found the parquet head on hard floors to be excellent with the Felix. Plus it's even more nimble with this head on. I think the reason the X is probably better on hard floors compared to the ET-1 head is the X has a rubber strip at the back of the brush roll does it not? The ET-1 head doesn't, that stripe must aid with cleaning performance on hard floors.

I will have to try and find this youtube video I found once where this guy removed the front brush stripe on the deluxe parquet head left the back one in place to clean up larger debris easier on hard floors. I've tried it and works well, I found pet hair doesn't stick to the brush strips when the front one is removed as it get sucked into the airflow.

One thing I miss with the Felix is a hose and wand set up for high above floor cleaning and lower floor cleaning in nooks and tight corners. Thats where the X series instant hose and wand setup would be good to have.

The Felix is great for cleaning around the house for quick effective cleaning in and around furniture etc...Plus you can change the main cleaning heads or use as a big not so light hand head unit. I use the hose to vacuum the sofa or use the dusting brush on the end of the hose to dust around furniture without the extension hose, which I find ok. I just move the vacuum with me as I go.

I can see the reason why you are liking the X series, instant hose and wand use (for the cat litter) and no messing with switching the brush roll off as it is suitable for carpets and hard floors. Suppose it depends on your overall needs. I really like my SEBO Felix and would buy another without question, but I would also like to get an X series at some point as well (as I've said before!!), mainly for the instant hose and wand and the bigger bag capacity and I like the idea of the auto height adjustment too!


Post# 296798 , Reply# 42   9/3/2014 at 04:26 (3,495 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Both are good but both vacuums have their pros and cons.

The Felix (as I have said earlier) is a much quicker upright vacuum helped along by its swivel joint and brush roll on/off function - neither feature with the X series.

Funnily enough, I don't tend to use the Parquet brush roll all that often though. The ET-1 and I spend time cleaning hard floors with either the brush roll switched off OR left on knowing that the delicate brush roll type roller can deal with hard floor cleaning.

There was another member on here who commented in the past that the X upright they bought scratched their hard floor, but this is because a stone got wedged at the front metal plate before the brush roll on the X series. I find the X is generally good at cleaning hard floors though I think its about time the X had a brush roll on/off function.


Post# 296845 , Reply# 43   9/3/2014 at 11:50 (3,494 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Preliminary tests of wood pellets on hard floor

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I haven't made the video yet but I can tell you this!

The X series pushes the wood pellets around, as Chris said earlier.

However the Felix and the ET-1 will pick up the pellets provided that the brush roll is switched off and the floor head is set at the highest setting /3 or 4.

Sadly I can't seem to find my Deluxe Parquet floor tool, but the Kombi floor head which is similar pushes the pellets around as does the standard parquet floor tool supplied with older K models and also shown in the D series video posted earlier.


Post# 296849 , Reply# 44   9/3/2014 at 12:12 (3,494 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Suppose you could set the X series handle to lock halfway and lift the head over the pellets. That would be time consuming and a pain to keep doing!

That's great the ET-1 head picks them up on setting 3 or 4. Sebo_fan what power setting did you have your Felix on? Just out of interest, I bet it wasn't full power!

Be interesting if you can find your Deluxe Parquet Floor tool to see how that performs especially if you remove the front brush strip. Must try and find that video on YouTube and post the link!


Post# 296856 , Reply# 45   9/3/2014 at 13:00 (3,494 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I think I used a medium setting and then a high setting.

To be honest I don't think the Deluxe Parquet brush would cut it - I have a feeling that the pellets would just get stuck to the front brush - despite the brushes floating up and down generic to the design, they would struggle to allow pellets to go under due to the push of the bristles on the flooring.



Post# 296859 , Reply# 46   9/3/2014 at 13:03 (3,494 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I have to say though that in light of the pellet test, most hard floor brushes fail to pick that kind of material up anyway. The pellets are round cylindrical in design. Stones are heavier, they're not likely to roll about on a hard floor due to their generic flat or cobble design.

Post# 296876 , Reply# 47   9/3/2014 at 14:07 (3,494 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Richard - totally forgot to say, either wait for the Evolution 300 or the SEBO commercial uprights like the BS36 - both have manual height adjustment and the built in wand hose.

Out of the vacuums I tested, only the Felix with its brush roll off was successful and surprisingly, the mega cheap. mega loud Zanussi Airspeed. Even Miele's lousy Twister parquet floor tool failed to pick up.


Post# 296916 , Reply# 48   9/3/2014 at 17:04 (3,494 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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That great the ET-1 head picked the pellets up on med to high motor setting.

The pellets might get picked up if the front brush strip is removed just leaving the back one in allowing a clear opening at the front.


Post# 296926 , Reply# 49   9/3/2014 at 17:57 (3,494 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
Evolution 300 or the SEBO commercial uprights like the BS36

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When will these be available and at what price?

Post# 296986 , Reply# 50   9/4/2014 at 02:12 (3,494 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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The BS36 is already available. Has been for years. It's a big commercial beast of a cleaner though, I wouldn't recommend it for domestic use. Price varies between £300 and £400.

Post# 297001 , Reply# 51   9/4/2014 at 05:19 (3,494 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well Chris, I would recommend the BS36. It isn't such a beast at all. Physically its about the same size as an X4. It is narrower though and quieter than the X4 series but the most important fact is, it has a manual height adjustment. It is slightly heavier than the X but by not much.

A few domestic homes have the BS36 in the UK because of the manual height adjustment alone. You should either ask Ryan about them as he has them and I think Roger might have them too.

The BS36 has been around for a few years and its an old version which means prices are good for second hand ones.

Anyway, videos are about to be uploaded to You Tube. You may well consider something else yet...




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Post# 297010 , Reply# 52   9/4/2014 at 07:34 (3,494 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
It isn't such a beast at all

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I disagree, having used several in my old job and a few in a domestic setting. They're great for large open spaces but not so great for navigating around furniture. The brushroll is also a lot more aggressive in the BS36 and can't be switched off, so it would be completely impractical for vacuuming bare floors with.

Post# 297011 , Reply# 53   9/4/2014 at 07:35 (3,494 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Here we go...

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Post# 297012 , Reply# 54   9/4/2014 at 07:51 (3,494 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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My thoughts from the video test:

1) The Miele Twister Parquet floor tool was the most disappointing on pick up - what a disaster. I was really shocked by that tool. But as I have said and indicated with hard floor tools and including the Parquet Deluxe with SEBO, the hard floor tools just suck up the pellets and stick to the front brushes until the floor head is lifted physically from the floor. You'd have a job doing that with the Felix if the Deluxe Parquet floor tool was fitted.

2) SEBO Felix - brush roll on - I knew that the pellets would ping off the brush bar - but at least it eventually cleared up the pellets without much of it smashing into pieces.

Brush roll off - height setting 4 - the best setting and the quickest pick up over the brush roll on in performance.

3) SEBO X1 Auto - As predicted, not good, but then I didn't expect it to with the auto sensor.

4) Vax VCU-02 - One of the worst in terms of excess mess and bits being chopped up. The video kind of shows that when the most of the pellets are put under the brush roll, you can see excess chopped up bits flying to the back of the vacuum. I was a bit disappointed with the Vax but I think its main problem is the front bumper that pushes the pellets along and its lack of brush roll adjustment. At least it is light enough to move up to the sides to get the pellets into the dust channel.

5) Zanussi Airspeed Lite - The biggest surprise of the day. Some excess chopping up, but actually quicker than the Felix. Mind you, if you can put up with crap build, loud noise and a brush roll height dial that moves on its own due to its cheap plastic build, then there you go!


Post# 297031 , Reply# 55   9/4/2014 at 11:16 (3,493 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Good video, thanks for that

Now we need the same test with a BS36


Post# 297036 , Reply# 56   9/4/2014 at 12:46 (3,493 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Personally I think you'd be better off with the Felix. For a start the Felix has a brush roll on/off control which as Chris noted already the BS36 doesn't. You'll also benefit from the Felix going around corners and having variable suction control.

Post# 297053 , Reply# 57   9/4/2014 at 15:10 (3,493 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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The felix did worse than my dc07 on cat litter. It didn't impress me lol

Post# 297062 , Reply# 58   9/4/2014 at 15:55 (3,493 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well it impressed me - after all those wood cat litter pellets are harder to pick up than the usual confetti stone pieces - worse so when the wood breaks up on a moving brush roll.

The Zanussi Airspeed Lite didn't do a bad job though.


Post# 297066 , Reply# 59   9/4/2014 at 17:17 (3,493 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Great video Sebo_fan, the Felix did quite well. Especially as you had the height of the ET-1 on 3/4 to pickup the pellets it did a good job.

I would go and try the Felix or the X series in a retail outlet that sells them to get a feel for yourself how both machines work and how they feel to use them.


Post# 297083 , Reply# 60   9/4/2014 at 20:48 (3,493 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Thanks.

I only know John Lewis have the X range and the Felix in store - not sure if all Euronics stores stock all SEBO models and I know some of the Euronics stores in Scotland don't allow you to try anything on the shop floor.


Post# 297104 , Reply# 61   9/5/2014 at 00:00 (3,493 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Your welcome.

That's certainly true. John Lewis is about the only bet for taking a look at the SEBO Felix and X series in person. Shame they are not more widely available.


Post# 297129 , Reply# 62   9/5/2014 at 04:55 (3,493 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, at least you can try SEBO there and for a long time (before they disappeared) Oreck uprights could also be trialled at John Lewis.

Post# 298917 , Reply# 63   9/19/2014 at 18:01 (3,478 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
Sebo BS46

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Just an update... at work we have a BS46 about 6 years old (old style one that doesn't have the quick release door under the cleaning head to clear blockages)apparently they dont like using it as the head keeps coming detached from the main body. Ive checked it and I think its because they never lock it in position. I of course never told them this. I tried it out last week the bag is full and because of this the hose where the head connects to the base was all blocked up.

They say its not been used much due to this and was going to be thrown out because its not PAT tested but I asked if I could take it home with me and they said yes...

Problem is the BS46 will be huge for my little terrace but I am going to use it upstairs I think so it can get under the bed. Ive got the DC01 upstairs at present but it just blows dirt about all over the place.

Need to get some bags for this cleaner though. Pic attached. Let me know what you think.

Regards
Richard.


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Post# 298925 , Reply# 64   9/19/2014 at 18:49 (3,478 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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nice! I have the knock-off "Allstar Javelin 14" brand version, it's a great commercial vacuum! I made the bag into a brick just by cleaning 1 nasty house with it! I used to have 2, they came from a Hospital. One worked until some sort of electrical problem, a house flood didn't help it, either! surprised

 

I haven't used it in years, but I'm sure it still works fine! my only issue is finding bags for it! laughing


Post# 298926 , Reply# 65   9/19/2014 at 18:58 (3,478 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Hope the bags are the same on the old ones as they are on the modern BS46?

Post# 298927 , Reply# 66   9/19/2014 at 18:59 (3,478 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

Why put nylon bristles on bare floor tools? My TriStar MG1 & Eureka Mighty Mite have stiff plastic bristles; they just trap dirt on bristles & scratch floors

Same with dusting brushes

Horsehair brushes are better than nylon or plastic


Post# 298932 , Reply# 67   9/19/2014 at 19:37 (3,478 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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They have to be, my machine is the same as yours! laughing


Post# 298976 , Reply# 68   9/20/2014 at 05:11 (3,478 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Wow, that's a cool find, Richard! The bags are the same for the BS36 and SEBO also do a washable fabric reusable dust bag.

In time you could source the smaller 36 floor head and swap it around for the 46. Check the back at the rear though - there should be a fly wheel lock that locks the floor head to the main body. Or were you referring to that already?


Post# 299137 , Reply# 69   9/21/2014 at 04:37 (3,477 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Yes the locking nut secures it safely. Any issues to watch out for with these? The cleaning head is massive though but I guess it will make light work of the house.

Need to get an upholstery tool now but not sure what will fit.


Post# 299162 , Reply# 70   9/21/2014 at 10:14 (3,476 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
but not sure what will fit.

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why don't you check the Sebo website shopping section, that will show you what tools fit.


Post# 299164 , Reply# 71   9/21/2014 at 10:22 (3,476 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Now you can check the cat pellet pick up yourself with your BS46, Richard.

Post# 299294 , Reply# 72   9/22/2014 at 00:27 (3,476 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        
Nilco...

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Also been given a Nilco upright. Looks the same as the Sebo but im not sure which will be better. Stock picture first an actual picture will follow later...



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Post# 299299 , Reply# 73   9/22/2014 at 03:21 (3,476 days old) by Richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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It's not a nilco it's a blue sebo bs36! This one is not in a good way. I think it's been stood in water as the brushroll is jammed solid the bearings have all turned to rust and there is crystallised whatever around the end caps of the brushroll. Also the plastic hinge that holds one side of the cleaner on is snapped off.

I've just tried the power head plugged in as well and it doesn't even power up there is water all in the cobs. So I need a new base but no idea how much these must cost.

The top part is fine though.

What hope is there for this cleaner?


Post# 299300 , Reply# 74   9/22/2014 at 03:47 (3,476 days old) by Richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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It's not a nilco it's a blue sebo bs36! This one is not in a good way. I think it's been stood in water as the brushroll is jammed solid the bearings have all turned to rust and there is crystallised whatever around the end caps of the brushroll. Also the plastic hinge that holds one side of the cleaner on is snapped off.

I've just tried the power head plugged in as well and it doesn't even power up there is water all in the cobs. So I need a new base but no idea how much these must cost.

The top part is fine though.

What hope is there for this cleaner?

I have rang sebo and they have a spare floor head that will fit this bs36 and it is priced at £120 but will be with no warranty. I've just cleaned the house with the bs46 and it really is too big to get round it with. Cleans beautifully though.

Does anyone know if the bs36 head will fit on the bs46 body? They look the same. I would then have a spare upper body then.

Not sure what I should do.


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Post# 299301 , Reply# 75   9/22/2014 at 04:48 (3,476 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Looking on eBay some bs36 are reconditioned and under £100 do I get one of those or just get the new head from sebo.

Post# 299303 , Reply# 76   9/22/2014 at 06:03 (3,476 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Personally if SEBO have offered a brand new head, I would go with that.

Even if you are a domestic buyer, you would only get a short warranty period with any of their commercial line up.



Post# 299324 , Reply# 77   9/22/2014 at 10:29 (3,475 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I used Nilco in a local mosque. It is a large carpeted building except for the ablution area of course. Anyways, they use three dirty air Nilco bagged uprights, a blue milo sebo looking upright like the one Richard showed, an Eco Henry and I think that's it, but they had to service the nilco machines so many times, and they just dont clean really well tbh. I know this because I took my Dyson DC25 once there, and vacuumed a room ( by just running over random areas) which was approx 30 metres by 25 metres. The Dyson filled its bin way behind max, and there was fine, white dust, and a lot of it! They use the Nilco vacuums a lot, and I am thinking they would be better off using something else instead of getting their Nilco vacuums serviced every once in a while. Even that sebo looking Nilco got out cleaned by my DC25

Post# 299354 , Reply# 78   9/22/2014 at 14:25 (3,475 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I do not rate the felix on hard flooring at all. Even with the parquet tool, it is pretty poor. Larger particles like cat litter get pushed around rather than sucked up. That coupled with the hose being rather ridiculously short and it isn't the best for above floor cleaning. The optional dusting brush is terrible as well as dust gets lodged right into the bristles and no matter of cleaning it get rid of it.

Defiantly check out the new DC41 MK2. You may have seen the thread I posted about it, coupled with the video demonstrating the agitation. It is a stellar vacuum. Argos have it on offer at the moment for £319.99.


Post# 299370 , Reply# 79   9/22/2014 at 16:00 (3,475 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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The Felix is fine on cleaning hard floors using the deluxe parquet floor tool. If you see my reply# 14 and reply# 41 if you remove the front brush strip of this floor tool it will pickup larger debris ok, I've tried it myself. It's a tip a got from a You Tube video, will try and find it and post it.

The Dyson DC41 MK2 looks a very impressive vacuum cleaner. Not sure if I could go back to bagless now that I own a pet.


Post# 299371 , Reply# 80   9/22/2014 at 16:33 (3,475 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well I suppose one has to remember that everyone's opinion is different. And ownership costs can vary too. Oli, the Dyson is hardly cheap compared to the £219 Felix and even if the built in hose is short, at least it can go hand held and offers a different design to the Dyson.

Dusting brushes on vacuums are all the same IMHO - they are either good at what they do but still need periodic cleaning and then there are some absolutely dreadful brushes that wear down too quickly. I adore the Miele dusting brush that you get as standard but even the standard one AND their premium one that acts as a cost option "larger brush" clogs with dust.

What a lot of owners realise with ownership of both the SEBO X1.1 and SEBO Felix is that they don't really require a dusting brush - the far simpler T shaped upholstery tool seems to be able to justify both the usage of a dusting tool and an upholstery tool.


Post# 299422 , Reply# 81   9/23/2014 at 00:59 (3,475 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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I dont want to buy a new vacuum, but I want to be able to use one of the sebos. However the 46" head is too big. So I am going to buy the new 36" head today. I am assuming they are interchangeable between the two as the main cleaning body is the same size.

£120 do you think this is reasonable? I then have one for spare parts and could sell the 46" head?


Post# 299468 , Reply# 82   9/23/2014 at 15:08 (3,474 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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That's very true....I meant to say on my last thread different vacuum cleaners suit different users/owners needs and what suits one will not someone else.

I believe the heads are interchangeable on the BS as the main body is same size. Price for the new head seems reasonable.


Post# 299523 , Reply# 83   9/24/2014 at 02:21 (3,474 days old) by Richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Should be here today between 1330-1430 😃

Put a new bag in yesterday I was impressed just need to get some tools now.


Post# 299524 , Reply# 84   9/24/2014 at 02:33 (3,474 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Visit SEBO Germany website for UK downloads of user manuals for the BS36/46 - the heads are interchangeable and you would do well to download the user manuals for future use.


Post# 299528 , Reply# 85   9/24/2014 at 04:33 (3,474 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Ordered some tools on eBay. £8 :)

Just realised my pics didn't upload the other day...


Post# 299529 , Reply# 86   9/24/2014 at 04:35 (3,474 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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The jammed and seized power head, it had some sort of crystallisation at the end caps where the bearings for the brushroll are. I think it's been stood in cleaning solution from the cleaners cupboard. It certainly wasn't save able. As the pcb and motor were wet and did not work.

Post# 299548 , Reply# 87   9/24/2014 at 10:37 (3,473 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Sebo head is now here. Machine looks like new :)

Post# 299567 , Reply# 88   9/24/2014 at 13:14 (3,473 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Like a Numatic, you don't really need additional tools - the hose and wand of the SEBO will be enough to get you started until you get the other tools with it. I take it then that you are finding the BS36 okay?

Post# 299575 , Reply# 89   9/24/2014 at 14:10 (3,473 days old) by Richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Yes I love the manual height adjust. Only need an upholstery tool. Really good machine and nice to use. Dc07 upstairs. The dc01 was too short so being 6ft2 the exhaust was pointing towards the floor and just blew dirt around.

Post# 299576 , Reply# 90   9/24/2014 at 14:34 (3,473 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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It should be quiet too - its one of the beauties of the BS36 and of course it has a long cord - well, it should have.. A photo of it would be good to see.

Post# 299672 , Reply# 91   9/25/2014 at 04:23 (3,473 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Here it is

Post# 299674 , Reply# 92   9/25/2014 at 05:33 (3,473 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Very nice SEBO BS, BS36. Is that with the new head you ordered from SEBO UK? Is the manual height adjustment work ok? Similar to the Felix manual height adjuster.

Post# 299676 , Reply# 93   9/25/2014 at 06:51 (3,473 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Yes it works very well. To say the machine is 8 years old it certainly hasn't had that use

Post# 299712 , Reply# 94   9/25/2014 at 13:12 (3,472 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Very nice looking. More importantly does it pick up cat pellets?

Post# 299730 , Reply# 95   9/25/2014 at 15:41 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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There's something wrong with that Sebo, it wouldn't leave a bin of crap if it was functioning properly! surprised

 

That brush certainly looks fried, but I doubt it's cleaning solution to blame, who leaves a vacuum in 4 inches of cleaner? laughing


Post# 299814 , Reply# 96   9/26/2014 at 02:44 (3,472 days old) by richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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I think it is cleaning solution. In the cleaning cupboard there is a sink. I think the floor has got wet from the sink being used to fill buckets and stuff. It then means the cleaner head is standing in it. Whilst not deep water and metal do not mix.

Post# 299844 , Reply# 97   9/26/2014 at 14:30 (3,471 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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And they sure didn't mix well for this poor Sebo! surprised


Post# 300584 , Reply# 98   10/4/2014 at 07:36 (3,464 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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So Richard, how is life NOW with the SEBO? Is it everything you expected?

Post# 300647 , Reply# 99   10/5/2014 at 06:58 (3,463 days old) by Richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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All good here, enjoying using it 😃

Post# 300666 , Reply# 100   10/5/2014 at 11:29 (3,462 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Is it such a brute compared to the X series? I wouldn't imagine so, personally - but I have never used a BS in a domestic setting.

Post# 300949 , Reply# 101   10/7/2014 at 12:46 (3,460 days old) by Richardc1983 (Leeds, UK)        

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Never tried the x series but I think it will be the same really in performance terms.

Post# 300950 , Reply# 102   10/7/2014 at 13:01 (3,460 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I've used both quite a lot. Whilst the BS series have a smaller overall floorhead, it's wider than the X series and the machine is a lot taller, making it slightly difficult to maneuver around furniture.


Post# 300975 , Reply# 103   10/7/2014 at 16:51 (3,460 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well the BS36 isn't that far off from the X5 "big" model - 36cm working width versus 37cm on the domestic X5.

The thing is, for the moment, the BS series, regardless of whether it is a commercial model, is the only SEBO brand from UK arm of where manual height adjustment is available. The Dart models don't count when they only have a 3.5 litre dust bag on board. Its a real shame SEBO don't have the G1/G2 series to buy; they replaced it with the Dart, whilst it is good, it is not the same as, IMHO.



Post# 302132 , Reply# 104   10/17/2014 at 04:15 (3,451 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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So I did a swap recently with some friends at a church that I sometimes play services for. They wanted another commercial upright, but a smaller machine that could get around corners. They were going to go for another Nilco upright until I bought in my old SEBO Dart 1. I think I made a good swap.

I'm told this SEBO 360 has a refurbished hand a refurbished base since the original would have had cream bumpers as opposed to black. It was a little bit clogged up with pew kneeler sawdust and had sat in the church cleaning cupboard for many years. It has also had a new slip in exhaust cover at the front. Im quite impressed with it though, it feels lighter to lift than the SEBO X1 Auto upright and in my home, the larger floor head is more welcomed.

Only thing I've added to it is a spare brown "Classic" Felix tool holder slider at the front. It had an old clip but it had been broken.



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