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Post# 290687 , Reply# 1   7/28/2014 at 10:09 (3,531 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 290698 , Reply# 2   7/28/2014 at 12:03 (3,531 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)   |   | |
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Post# 290706 , Reply# 3   7/28/2014 at 12:31 (3,531 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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DT, in the nicest way possible I do wish you'd stop banging on about your Kenmore.
In my experience, not ALL modern cylinder vacs have short hoses, but rather are designed to be as compact as possible, or where the design allows as light as possible. Unless you are vacuuming stairs, there should be no need to ever having to lift a cylinder vac off a floor and European homes aren't as big or tall as homes elsewhere. The Numatic Henry round tub has had a 2.5 metre hose, which is 0.1 metres longer than your Kenmore. Numatic also make a shorter hose for the James vacuum, which is a more basic version of Henry. I find both however are difficult to store on the Numatics since they are round tubs and commercially based means even a park storage on the back of the vacs make it difficult to store the hose unless the suction tubes and floor head is attached. As gsheen notes, having such a long hose can be cumbersome as well as dangerous and heavier. I also find a longer hose (dependent on brands as not all hoses are the same) often bounces off walls removing paint in the process when cleaning in general. To my knowledge several German brands and models have the following standard hose size: Miele S2 - 1.5 metre hose Miele S4 - 1.8 metre hose Miele S6 - 1.8 metre hose Miele S5 & S8: 1.8 metre hose All Bosch cylinder vacs have 1.5 metre hoses. SEBO K1 Airbelt basic red model: 1.8 metres, all other models have 2.1 metres including PN models. SEBO D series - all models in the U.S and UK markets have 2.1 metre hoses. Miele do offer an extra extension hose, the SFS Extender and it adds a further 1.5 metres onto any Miele hose on current models - however it is more trouble than its worth in my experience. |
Post# 290713 , Reply# 4   7/28/2014 at 13:38 (3,531 days old) by DesertTortoise ()   |   | |
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Sebo_fan, take a deep breath, hold it..............no exhale. I was complaining about my more modern Kenmore hoses being too short. |
Post# 290714 , Reply# 5   7/28/2014 at 13:44 (3,531 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)   |   | |
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My guess would be that it cost less to manufacture a shorter hose. Same logic as why they made short cords on some of the Hoover Convertible ‘special’ models. Short cords and hoses are annoying!
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Post# 290718 , Reply# 6   7/28/2014 at 14:07 (3,531 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 290719 , Reply# 7   7/28/2014 at 14:15 (3,531 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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Not all modern canister vacuums have short hoses. The deluxe Simplicity and Riccar "Made in USA" canisters have ten foot hoses. The Kenmore Elite and the Kenmore Intuition canisters both have very long hoses. The new 75th Anniversary Edition Rainbow has a ten foot hose. The new Filter Queen has a very long hose. Aerus Electrolux's Platinum Edition model has a very nice, long hose.
I think the short hoses for the 'entry' and 'mid' line models is done so the 'upsell' on a model with more features (and longer hoses) could be made. The damn Kenmore hoses that don't swivel at the handle end are more annoying (to me) than a shorter hose. |
Post# 290733 , Reply# 8   7/28/2014 at 15:39 (3,531 days old) by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA)   |   | |
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Although I've never used a canister vacuum, I've always used uprights, because my home has mostly wall-to-wall carpeting.
My 2013 Hoover Windtunnel 2 Rewind Pet has an 8-foot hose, along with one 12-inch extension wand. Combined with a 12-inch crevice tool, I can barely reach the top of my ceilings whenever I go hunting for cobwebs. I have to pick up the vacuum in order to reach the ceilings. I don't have super high ceilings in most of the house, except in the living and dining rooms. I have standard height ceilings in most rooms. I'm about 5'8" and the hose reach is a major flaw of this vacuum. It's also painful to use my Hoover on stairs. I have a 180 degree staircase, which goes up 5 steps, then turns around 180 degrees with 2 large steps, then 8 more steps takes me to the second floor of my house. I vacuum the stairs using the hose and turbo brush. I can barely reach the final steps when using the hose. Trying to reach the final steps results in the vacuum tipping forward (because you can't turn the brush roll off). I have to set the machine on the stairs (which Hoover doesn't recommend) to reach the final steps. What a waste of time! There is also a "Stair Cleaning Handle" by the head of the vacuum. I could also recline the vacuum, grab said handle and clean the stairs one by one, but that method works only if you're quite strong. The vacuum is heavy at 16 pounds. I'd rather use the hose and turbo brush for the stairs. In addition, the Windtunnel has a rather short 25-foot retractable cord. The lever to retract the cord feels cheap. But the cord reel hasn't broken yet. My Dyson, DC07, on the other hand, has a MUCH longer hose, wand and cord, giving me a "true" 17-foot reach. It's too bad I gave that vacuum away to my mom, unfortunately. Very frustrating indeed! I wish that my mom could buy a much cheaper vacuum for her small one bedroom apartment with no pets!! I have attached some pics to show the hose reach. |
Post# 290734 , Reply# 9   7/28/2014 at 15:41 (3,531 days old) by GeorgeCT (Fairfield, Connecticut)   |   | |
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One of the many reasons why I love my Riccar Immaculate.
LONG hose, LONG cord, FULL sized tools. I did EXTRA homework before buying my Riccar after owning the Miele Capricorn (with it's short hose, short cord, tiny tools.) I don't know why manufacutres think a shorter cord or hose benefits the users at all because it doens't. How much can it save them? A few bucks? |
Post# 290784 , Reply# 11   7/28/2014 at 20:16 (3,531 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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Buyer beware......
Some vacmakers are quite deceptive in their measurements for hose length (and cord length). They often include the length of the hose handle in their calculations! Which to me is deceptive since you want to know how long the flexible part is, not the unbendible parts. Those of you needing longer hoses for your Miele canisters should contact Metro Vacuum in San Diego (I have no business connection to them whatsoever). They advertise a custom-made 15foot stretch hose for Miele canisters! Indeed, for the past few decades, Sears' has always had at least one deluxe canister featuring an 8-foot hose. |
Post# 290794 , Reply# 12   7/28/2014 at 20:51 (3,531 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)   |   | |
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With Kenmore, typically the higher up models have longer hoses. My TOL red Progressive for example has an 8 foot hose, while other models have 7 foot. I do believe some of the older Sears Best models in the 70s and 80s had up to a 9 foot hose. I love the long hose on my Kenmore, as I don't have to pull it behind me as often and it can stay out of the way. Vacuums I have with shorter hoses such as my Let's Clean canister can be a little annoying, but most of them are compact vacuums taht I sometimes carry around anyway.
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Post# 290850 , Reply# 13   7/29/2014 at 03:36 (3,531 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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I LIKE the longer hoses and CORDS-both that are too short make the machine frustrating to use.ESP to folks that live in older homes that have FEWER power outlets.With my short cord vacs-just connect them to a heavy duty extension cord.That you can fix-but a too short hose? |
Post# 290864 , Reply# 14   7/29/2014 at 08:11 (3,530 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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DT..
EM.. Well…if you read your opening paragraph it says your older Kenmore(s) have 8ft long hoses but then you state that newer vacs have no more than 6ft, therefore suggesting that you would have a longer hose to deal where you list a few downsides to a shorter hose. If you were complaining that your newer Kenmore vacs have a short hose, I offered up my responses to why longer hoses can be a downside compared to shorter ones. Eurekaprince - I would love to know how Miele can offer an 8ft hose. To my knowledge they have never made a longer hose than 1.8 metres. The extra extension hose that snaps back in use DOES add 1.5 metres out to make 3.3 metres which is effectively 10 metres. HOWEVER, as I have mentioned before - I have that extension hose but it isn't as free in nature as the standard Miele hose, and when used it can often be too bulky and requires sometimes, dependent on the fill capacity of the bag, the highest suction used on the machine to sustain the suction airflow from the extra bit of hose when stretched out. |
Post# 290866 , Reply# 15   7/29/2014 at 08:21 (3,530 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Furthermore I would like to add some more thoughts concerning length of hose as the other additional piece that is used for general reach, must surely be the suction tubes length, stretched to their fullest - not all brands are the same regarding this too!
I just measured what I have in terms of my vacs and spares and are all approximate: Miele Triscopic telescopic suction tube 116cm height, 669 grams weight. Miele twin telescopic tube 103.5cm height, 538 grams weight. SEBO K telescopic plastic & metal suction tube 94cm height, 495 grams weight SEBO K/D electric embed plastic & metal suction tube 94cm height, 655 grams weight. SEBO C telescopic metal suction tube 98cm height, 583 grams weight. SEBO D twin telescopic suction tube 90cm height, 504 grams weight. So, even buying a top of the range model may give you extra length hose, you may not get the same kind of tubes. I haven't measured the actual handles from the end hose to the suction tubes - these wouldn't offer that much of a difference IMHO. |
Post# 290867 , Reply# 16   7/29/2014 at 08:23 (3,530 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 290886 , Reply# 19   7/29/2014 at 10:09 (3,530 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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The Maytag M1200 has a 17 foot stretch hose. The vacuum cleaner does not fall over or go flying through the room when you put your hand over the end of the wand, which is also full-size to be able to use the bare floor tool.
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Post# 290914 , Reply# 21   7/29/2014 at 15:32 (3,530 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well, if the upright falls over you haven't read the user manual. SEBO state clearly that you have to hold the upright with one hand and the hose in the other. OR do as many would do and buy the extension hose and put the upright against a wall and away you go.
But to be honest I dont think SEBO ever intended the X or any of their uprights to offer proper above the floor cleaning. This is why they concentrated more on their cylinder/canister vacs with longer hoses, lighter tubing for added reach and a number of cleaning tools. |
Post# 290958 , Reply# 22   7/29/2014 at 18:27 (3,530 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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Nar....I should have been more explicit: Sears has always had one or two deluxe Kenmore canisters (not Miele) which feature an 8 foot hose.
Here is Metro Vac's video of their custom Miele extended length hose: CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK |
Post# 290963 , Reply# 23   7/29/2014 at 18:52 (3,530 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Thank you, Brian - by the looks of it, the handle they have used on that custom built hose is the old style Miele handles with the angle at the collar. Those handles date back to something like the S200 series that was sold back in the UK in the 1970s and 1980s - i THINK. I have seen old Miele handles like that - they are inclined to clog!
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Post# 291037 , Reply# 25   7/30/2014 at 04:26 (3,530 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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I ilike the hose length on my NSS M1-haven't measured it-but plenty long enough-you don't have to lift the canister while vacuuming up high.Many others you have to lift the machine to vacuum cobwebs from room corners or the tops of high lamp fixtures. |
Post# 291094 , Reply# 28   7/30/2014 at 15:04 (3,529 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 291732 , Reply# 32   8/3/2014 at 03:18 (3,526 days old) by vacuumssuck213 ()   |   | |
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I feel so foolish wrong thread |
Post# 291763 , Reply# 33   8/3/2014 at 10:59 (3,525 days old) by marks_here (_._)   |   | |
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Post# 291801 , Reply# 35   8/3/2014 at 18:36 (3,525 days old) by DesertTortoise ()   |   | |
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I keep trying to find a central vac seller that is willing to put some ten foot hoses together on my Kenmore ends. No takers so far. That would solve my dilemma nicely. |
Post# 291851 , Reply# 36   8/3/2014 at 23:06 (3,525 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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I would try contacting Dave Bychkowsky, who goes on Vacuumland by the username Davinator1977. Dave has made custom Electrolux electric hoses for some of his vacuums, & I intend to contact him to have one made for me for my Electrolux Grand Marquise. He makes the hoses using central vac hose material. If you go to the Vacuumland post below & then scroll down to reply #24, you can see a custom Kenmore hose he has done, so surely he could make one for you. I also put his profile page on Vacuumland for you in the link.
Rob www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-... CLICK HERE TO GO TO kirbylux77's LINK |