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Post# 285645   6/21/2014 at 11:02 (3,568 days old) by kenkart ()        

The McAllister instruction manual on ebay please publish it...

Post# 285775 , Reply# 1   6/22/2014 at 08:17 (3,567 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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It was miss pupek. That instruction manual will never again see the light of day

Post# 285778 , Reply# 2   6/22/2014 at 08:59 (3,567 days old) by kenkart ()        
I didnt think!

Anyone else would spend that kind of money!

Post# 285780 , Reply# 3   6/22/2014 at 09:20 (3,567 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Tom.

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I have great respect for Mike Pupek, please don't refer to him in the female gender! Lets all be professional here, you used to do that to me too, and I found it quite offensive. I haven't seen Mike in many years, and don't know where he is but I do know that sort of thing bothered him greatly.

Insulting remarks have no place here, and that comment puts our friendship in jeopardy.


Post# 285803 , Reply# 4   6/22/2014 at 13:28 (3,567 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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eBay buyers like Pupek are one of the reasons I can't stand eBay as a means of buying old vacuums. It needlessly drives up the prices for everyone else once he buys one for some sickening quantity of cash and none of us normal people stand a chance at getting anything he sets his eye on. I've seen him buy several Lewyt Electronics on there, I mean how many does one person need? Let someone else have one and stop hoarding them!

Post# 285805 , Reply# 5   6/22/2014 at 13:50 (3,567 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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Just curious, but how do you guys know who it is on Ebay?  I thought bidders remained anonymous.   Is there something I don't know? 


Post# 285854 , Reply# 6   6/22/2014 at 23:15 (3,566 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

Buyers and sellers have eBay user names, but lets face it, if you exchange e-mails haggling over prices on eBay items it is tough to remain completely anonymous. How many e-mail address either have your name in it (one of mine does), the name of your business (same again) or some other name that is intimately tied to your identity?

Post# 285860 , Reply# 7   6/23/2014 at 01:53 (3,566 days old) by bnsd60m9200 (Akron OH)        

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Bill, Bill edstrom has made it well known he keeps track of VL and other collectors, thier monikers on ebay and tracks what they buy. high desired items thru typical vacuum collector bid snipers (or un necessarily bid up items) are usually disclosed upon request....

Post# 285886 , Reply# 8   6/23/2014 at 09:34 (3,566 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
"how many does one person need"

Without getting in too many directions here I would note that in some cases an older mechanical item will need various spare parts that are not easily found.Some of the collector car magazines I read will show a restored car that had parts from other similar cars with no complaints for the owner or restoration.I imagine some older,rare machines on AW require parts donors.
Are some of these items hoarded or rescued??
I think I have seen here in the last 2 weeks mention of wanted vacs found for less,or much less,than $15 on EBay.Did anyone think that was too low!?


Post# 285897 , Reply# 9   6/23/2014 at 10:31 (3,566 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Alex: I actually don't find it insulting at all. Clay Floyd was the first person to call you "Miss Tabor", but it wasn't designed to be insulting. Insulting would be "Miss Tabor is a mess", which no one ever said. It's actually considered by some to be a sign of affection and respect within a certain circle of friends. I refer to you as Alex, not "Miss Tabor". If you want to call me "Roxie", you can - I just won't go into the backstory (there certainly is one). It won't bother me at all.

My very good friend and former VCCC board member, Clay Floyd, recounted to me the story of Colorado bar owner, Don Young. While he never liked it, most of his customers called him "Loretta". He took it as a sign of affection.

It's not too difficult to find out who bought something on eBay. Once feedback on an item has been left, one can simply click on the user name of the person leaving feedback. "PowerMike" is Mike Pupek.


Post# 285901 , Reply# 10   6/23/2014 at 10:42 (3,566 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Tom.

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It's TABER! not Tabor, get it right! and stop talking about me in the female gender. I ended my friendship with Clay for that very reason, and right now your skating on thin ice!

We've had problems in the past that I'm trying to overlook, but your bucking for a fight, again! I won't go there as don't play head games, so cool it!


Post# 285908 , Reply# 11   6/23/2014 at 11:14 (3,566 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Calm down Alex. There's absolutely nothing to get upset over. Remember we are talking about people that you and I have known more than 20 years. It's all light hearted fun.

Post# 285921 , Reply# 12   6/23/2014 at 12:47 (3,566 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Tom.

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It's NOT fun to me, it's damn insulting, and understand this loud and clear, I'm Very upset, so stop it, or this friendship is over!

Post# 285926 , Reply# 13   6/23/2014 at 13:18 (3,566 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Alex I have no desire to get involved in this but your posts are starting to get marked as offensive by other members because this should not be aired publicly. This is the kind of thing that should be taken off line via private email.

Please no more of this now, thank you and I appreciate you understanding.


Post# 285927 , Reply# 14   6/23/2014 at 13:25 (3,566 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
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Tom is trying to pick a fight, I just brought that to an end. the V.C.C.C. and Vacuumland don't need this, and neither do I.

Trust me, I won't respond to Tom again. EVER!


Post# 285952 , Reply# 15   6/23/2014 at 18:30 (3,565 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO)        

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I hadn't heard the much-despised name Pupek in so long that I thought he had left vacuum collecting. I've never met him, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone say a kind word about him. His ways of sniping and hoarding aren't conducive to making friends.

Post# 285963 , Reply# 16   6/23/2014 at 23:20 (3,565 days old) by kirbyrama (Pennsylvania)        

This is begining to seem like Vacweb back in the early 2000's. Always arguing!

Post# 285969 , Reply# 17   6/24/2014 at 00:39 (3,565 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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It's amazing (in a sad way) how people are so willing to make disparaging remarks about someone they've never even met.



Post# 285977 , Reply# 18   6/24/2014 at 02:44 (3,565 days old) by cb123 (Mobile, Al.)        

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So, so very true!

Post# 286009 , Reply# 19   6/24/2014 at 09:42 (3,565 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
"I've never met him--"

Well,I HAVE.I have met Mr. Pupek on at least 2 occasions and found him to have a genuine long time interest in vacuums.When nearby years ago he stopped by my store and we traded some rare and very rare vacs and parts in a very fair exchange.He has an interesting occupation that has taken him around the world and an interest in vintage trains and train travel.As with many he also has a budget,storage and computer equipment and skills that allows him him to collect as he sees fit for his collection.
When a collector is in the news for a high bid on art,rock & roll items,celebrity autographs or even Steve McQueens autos should we complain and condemn??


Post# 286023 , Reply# 20   6/24/2014 at 10:56 (3,565 days old) by kenkart ()        
If I had known!

This was going to stir up a stink...I would never have mentioned it..I have referred to people as Miss So and so also, but not in a disparaging way..Its a mystery to me how so many who like the same thing can argue and pitch fits about literally nothing!..one reason I left the VCCC..I know Mr Pupek,He has eaten at my table along with others here, I have never had any sort of harsh words with him, but I will say, if I have something someone wants to see, I gladly will take a picture, or share, ask anyone who knows me.

Post# 286044 , Reply# 21   6/24/2014 at 12:43 (3,565 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

Some folks just seem to have very thin skin. I used to hate the Miss Thang and Giiiirrrrrlll... but I got over myself. Still don't use it often but I can Queen out with the best of them when necessary.


Post# 286167 , Reply# 22   6/25/2014 at 10:00 (3,564 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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I'm not trying to pick a fight with Taber. I was referring to Miss Pupek, not Alex, when I said "Miss". Alex needn't have responded to this thread, it wasn't about him. It was about a six page, black and white instruction manual for a 1950's vacuum being sold for $132 on eBay to someone who doesn't share with anyone. Hans wanted a copy. Because Mike bought it, there will be no copies shared with anyone.

The last time I saw Mike Pupek, he was at Stan Kann's funeral (at the Fox) with his wallet out, trying to buy Stan's collection. I thought it was tasteless, as Stan was not even cold yet.


Post# 286174 , Reply# 23   6/25/2014 at 10:22 (3,564 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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How very sad...no respect at a funeral & only after material things...some people.

Post# 287607 , Reply# 24   7/7/2014 at 09:56 (3,552 days old) by kenkart ()        
This goes to show...

Just because you are filthy rich...you do not automatically have manners and class!!!I think greed and pride have caused lots of problems.in clubs especially.

Post# 288141 , Reply# 25   7/10/2014 at 21:01 (3,548 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO)        
If the remark was directed at me...

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I don't have to meet a person to know that his practices don't promote friendship. The insuation that one must meet another in person to have a legitimate standpoint for commentary on his actions is baseless. The Pupek name is so widely despised because it's associated with a number of consistent exhibitions of selfishness, which is not a quality I respect or want to recruit to the group of vacuum collectors. I think Pupek is part of the distant past, and in view of his unwillingness to participate in and share with the group, I don't think his disappearance diminishes the collectors' community. For my part, I'd rather send a rare and intersting piece to the museum than keep it in my house.

Post# 288146 , Reply# 26   7/10/2014 at 22:32 (3,548 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The vacuum cleaner museum is very grateful to Patrick for a number of one of a kind machines. His gold plated sales prize Kirbys are unique. We are very fortunate to have a brand-new, never used Kirby heritage one as well as a brand-new, never used Kirby classic three in the collection because of Patrick. He has been very generous and has shared his wonderful collection so that everyone could enjoy it. Thank you Patrick.

Post# 288152 , Reply# 27   7/10/2014 at 23:52 (3,548 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

Even though I don't know him personally, I can imagine Hans Craig's frustration and would undoubtedly feel frustrated, too, if I were in his situation.

With that said, I offer the following:

1) There are other McAllister manuals available. It will just take time and patience before another resurfaces. Now that we know Hans Craig would like the manual, let's keep our eyes and ears open and see if we can help him find one.

2) Disparaging remarks not only hurt the reputation of the person who is the focus, but they also hurt the persons making the remarks (no one can totally feel well about himself or herself by putting others down--whatever the reason), as well as others who hear it. Don't get me wrong, I've put others down before, too (I'm not proud of this but wanted you to know that I'm NOT talking TO you BUT WITH you). Also, I'm working at increasing my respect of everyone by trying to refrain from gossip and rude remarks about others.

3) I would like to recommend that we raise the bar in future discussions--particularly when disagreements or dissatisfaction with others surfaces by looking at our own fault. Everyone deserves others' respect as human beings even though we may not understand each others' actions or agree with them. The other thing we can do is follow the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do to you" (regardless of their poor treatment of you). By the same token, be aware of what sets others off and avoid saying or doing those things when there is a potential for them to become involved. Just because someone is thin-skinned doesn't mean we have to make it thicker.

4) Avoid backstabbing--talk about others as if they are right there listening. If you aren't part of the circle of gossip, then when it gets to you it will stop instead of repeating its vicious cycle--including others gossiping about you. Remaining silent or changing the subject won't squash gossip--that only covers it up for a while--you need to do what you can to stop it dead in its tracks by saying something like "That's not kind. Let's drop it." or "It's not right to put others down. Let's change the subject." If enough individuals chose to stop gossip instead of repeating it or allowing it to continue by being passive we'd have healthier exchanges with one another and a greater sense of mutual respect--not only in this forum but wherever we interact socially with others.

5) Frequently evaluate your interactions with others and apologize when you make mistakes. I heard recently that saying "I was wrong. Forgive me." is more effective than "I'm sorry", because you've accepted personal responsibility for your mistakes. "I'm sorry" can just mean that you're sorry someone got angry instead of being sorry for what you said or did. Consider the fact that you could have been wrong in your judgment even if what you did or said didn't seem offensive or was taken the wrong way. Furthermore, take some time to think about what you will say or how you will react to someone instead of speaking or acting on impulse. Express yourself in a self-regarding manner (e. g. calm, rational), and you will gain respect for yourself from others over the situation.

6) Be a peacemaker. Don't exchange insult for insult. Sometimes you have to let things roll off your back. Other times, you should say something in a friendly but firm way. Instead of "How dare you--stop it or else!" try "That offends me. Please stop it." If you're the one being asked to stop, then do it. It's juvenile not to. If you're on the receiving end just ignore someone who continues to persist. At that point they have the issue--not you--and you can be the bigger person.

7) Be humble. Don't think that your age, your time in the club or Vacuumland, your knowledge, your friendships/connections, or your reputation, et cetera makes you superior to others. We all breathe the same air (ok, some of us use HEPA filters and air purifiers--but you get the point). Expect to learn from others along with what you will bring to the conversation by valuing others' thoughts, information, and ideas--along with their right to express them--as you do your own. Along with that, bear in mind that your knowledge may be limited or incorrect; so be open to expanding or correcting it.

I hope by sharing some things I've learned along the way that I can help make Vacuumland a better forum for everyone. Every comment on this site contributes to our online culture. Let's each do what we can to make it one of mutual respect, kindness, acceptance, and enjoyment for all. Now let's get looking for that McAllister manual!



Post# 288163 , Reply# 28   7/11/2014 at 02:47 (3,548 days old) by kenkart ()        
If I had known..

This was going to get ugly, I wouldnt have even mentioned it...And if there is another McAllister manual, I havent ever seen it, and ive been collecting a looong time, im almost 49 and have been involved in the group since 1994...I just hate feathers got ruffled over my wanting a copy of a book that sold for waaaayyy too much.LOL!

Post# 288185 , Reply# 29   7/11/2014 at 09:56 (3,548 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
-?-!-?-

Very briefly-
Kevin makes many good points on how a human being can speak of another.
As to HIGH auction prices whether it is the Friday night auction down the street from my store or nationwide such as EBay an item only gets the high bid if more than one person has a serious interest in owning what is,or is to them,a rare and desirable item.Should we complain and condemn bidder no 2 & 3 & 4 or how many might have seen what we would know to be a rare piece of literature on a little known vac??


Post# 288223 , Reply# 30   7/11/2014 at 13:51 (3,548 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The McAllister instruction manual will most likely never show up again. There were very few made.

The way the person who won the auction was to make a 'robobidder' bid of $1000. It makes no difference to him what the ultimate price is after every one else bids. He can afford to pay $1000 for an instruction manual.

The problem is that it will NEVER be shared with anyone. The winning bidder (miss pupek) has no desire to share with any other collectors. That's his prerogative.
I personally find that very distasteful. I share EVERYTHING in my collection of 658 machines with Vacuum Cleaner Museum visitors. Literature, machines, owners books, everything.




Post# 288226 , Reply# 31   7/11/2014 at 14:27 (3,548 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
I'm sure

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He would be more than willing to share the info if you would ask nicely. I bet another one shows up in the next month.

Post# 288227 , Reply# 32   7/11/2014 at 14:43 (3,548 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

Jaker15,

 

You would be incorrect. Pupek has never shared anything other than his opinion with anyone, and never will. He is a hoarder and a jealous one with the financial resources to indulge his desire to have things that nobody else can get. It appears to make him feel superior in his misery.


Post# 288298 , Reply# 33   7/11/2014 at 18:41 (3,547 days old) by kenkart ()        
I bet NO ONE!

Has ever seen another one!!!!It doesent really matter,this really has gotten out of hand, I asked nicely if someone who bought something would publish it...I had no clue who bought it, but if I had I wouldnt have asked because I knew what I would get..SILENCE!!!

Post# 288392 , Reply# 34   7/12/2014 at 12:30 (3,547 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
sharing

While I am tired of negative comments(real or imagined)that were added to what started as a simple remark that seems to have had no disrespect intended I am only one of many that can agree from personal experience that Tom does share vacs,parts and information as stated above.

Post# 288458 , Reply# 35   7/12/2014 at 20:52 (3,546 days old) by kenkart ()        
Amen to that!

Jimmy, and I have swapped and traded a few machines with you also!


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