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Post# 284192   6/12/2014 at 11:54 (3,599 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Cost to join VCCG - Zero Dollars
Cost to come to VCCG Convention - Zero Dollars
"Cocktail Hour and Banquet" - Zero Dollars
Fun for all vacuum lovers - Priceless


We started the convention with Breakfast at Tuggie and Joe's in St. James. Best hashbrowns in the state.

Then, onto the VACUUM CLEANER MUSEUM.

Here is Chris from Ohio and Bob from St. Louis exchanging Rainbow Chrome Domes. Bob had the copper model D2 but wanted Chris's chocolate brown D2. A swap was made.


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Post# 284195 , Reply# 1   6/12/2014 at 11:56 (3,598 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Robert from Quincy, IL

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Checking out the 1935 Super Premium Royal 2 speed upright. Thanks again to Hans Craig for the Royal.

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Post# 284196 , Reply# 2   6/12/2014 at 11:57 (3,598 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Robert -

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Checking out the 1958 GE Mobile Maid "bow tie impeller" dishwasher. How "Pank" can you get?

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Post# 284197 , Reply# 3   6/12/2014 at 11:58 (3,598 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
The Mezanine

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Some of the guys checking out the Museum's "overflow" up on the overlook to the factory. This is my 'free pile'.

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Post# 284199 , Reply# 4   6/12/2014 at 12:07 (3,598 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

Okay, okay.. I'm saving my nickles and dimes... I AM making a trip to the Museum before this year is out!


Post# 284340 , Reply# 5   6/13/2014 at 09:08 (3,598 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Going through

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Another store room. Bob found a Premier VacKit. So many vacuums, so little time.

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Post# 284371 , Reply# 6   6/13/2014 at 11:43 (3,598 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Filter Queen Triple Crown

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Donnie trying out Evan Roger's Filter Queen

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Post# 284372 , Reply# 7   6/13/2014 at 11:45 (3,598 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Evan Roger's Collection

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We visited Evan Roger's home to see his vacuum display. Evan purchased my existing Vacuum Stores (the Vac Shack) in Festus, Missouri when the Vacuum Cleaner Museum opened almost six years ago.

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Post# 284373 , Reply# 8   6/13/2014 at 11:57 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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More of Evan's wonderful collection. His lower floor is completely finished and is home to his collection

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Post# 284374 , Reply# 9   6/13/2014 at 11:58 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Evan showing off his "hide-a-hose" with his Filtex Rollex Carpet Nozzle. The motor unit is the top of the line Silent Master.

Also shown, some of Evan's Air-Way collection.


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Post# 284375 , Reply# 10   6/13/2014 at 11:59 (3,597 days old) by ronni (USA)        

This is making me think of "Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory"--especially that line about "so little time". I think Willy Wonka says in the movie, "So much time and so little to do" before he corrects himself. True, "Tom Gasko and The Vacuum Factory" doesn't include countless forms of chocolate, golden tickets, an indoor river with a boat, or a "Gaskovator"; and I don't think Tom walks around singing and wearing a a tux with a top hat, but the magic is still there with all those vacuum cleaners and vacuum cleaner accessories along with the factory workers.

I would like to suggest, though, that Tom take a trip to some remote island and rescue some tiny people which he could bring to the factory and hire as "Vacuum-loompus" and teach them to sing "Vacuum-loompu doopity-do, I've got another riddle for you...". Also, thought might be given to pocket-sized chocolate vacuum cleaners, fizzy lifting drinks, Everlasting Vacuumstoppers, Gasko-vision, and lickable wallpaper ... ok, now I'm just getting goofy!

LOL--enjoy the gathering and camaraderie!



Post# 284376 , Reply# 11   6/13/2014 at 12:00 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Russ with the Hoover

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Model 70. Russ is a huge Hoover Convertible fan, and he loves the design of the Hoover's headlights.

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Post# 284377 , Reply# 12   6/13/2014 at 12:01 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Roger Brown showing off the Vibra Beat to Robert C.

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Post# 284378 , Reply# 13   6/13/2014 at 12:02 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Running a Hoover Model 28.

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Post# 284382 , Reply# 14   6/13/2014 at 13:18 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Kirby ultimate G

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Craig's new to him ultimate G. Complete with tools and shampooed for $100. My BF, Donnie, found it for him. Craig was in heaven.

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Post# 284383 , Reply# 15   6/13/2014 at 13:29 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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David from Ohio with the Hoover model 28.

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Post# 284417 , Reply# 16   6/13/2014 at 17:15 (3,597 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Wow I really

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Need to get over my fear of flying or Tacony can just move to the East Coast Tom ;)

Dan


Post# 284423 , Reply# 17   6/13/2014 at 18:34 (3,597 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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It kills me not being there right now. But I will next year.

Post# 284430 , Reply# 18   6/13/2014 at 19:26 (3,597 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

Amtrak Dan, Amtrak....


Post# 284434 , Reply# 19   6/13/2014 at 19:45 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Small group at Pirronie's for dinner. Excellent food.

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Post# 284436 , Reply# 20   6/13/2014 at 20:18 (3,597 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Tom

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If I get a chance to get away then that would work I'm sure ;)

Dan


Post# 284479 , Reply# 21   6/13/2014 at 23:39 (3,597 days old) by hygiene903 (Galion, OH)        

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Wow! Looks like everyone's having a blast! So much to see and do! Wish I could be there. One of these days, when I get to the point that travel is within my budget, I WILL be there! Until then, thank you for sharing the photos of all the fun going on!
Jeff


Post# 284555 , Reply# 22   6/14/2014 at 09:03 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Thanks to Alex Braun

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The group went to Alex Braun's home and we were treated to his vacuum rooms as well as his garage. Pictured are his contributions to the vacuum cleaner museum. Thanks Alex. I love the Kirby model 2C.

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Post# 284556 , Reply# 23   6/14/2014 at 09:17 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
The Alex Braun Collection

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The entire Vacuum Cleaner Collectors Group went on a field trip to Alex Braun's home. We were treated to a tour of his EXTENSIVE private collection. He has a Canister room, and an Upright room. Here are some candid shots of his collection. Thanks Alex for the hospitality. I believe Alex has one of every Hoover Convertible ever made.

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Post# 284557 , Reply# 24   6/14/2014 at 09:21 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
One of a Kind

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RCA Whirlpool "L" shaped Power Nozzle. Pictured with Alex - he's been slimming down recently and it really shows. Good Job Alex!!!! Lookin' good.

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Post# 284558 , Reply# 25   6/14/2014 at 09:23 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Hanging out at Alex's,

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Reading vintage Sears and Wards catalogs, and loading our cars with Treasures from Alex's garage.

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Post# 284562 , Reply# 26   6/14/2014 at 09:38 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Russ's Kenmore

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Russ brought his 1969 Kenmore that's in perfect shape. Chris decided to try it out. It's wonderful.

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Post# 284563 , Reply# 27   6/14/2014 at 09:39 (3,597 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
"pocket size chocolate vacuum cleaners"

Didn't Hoover have a chocolate Mo O in the gift shop part of museum when we were there?
Looks like a great time in MO.As the old saying goes-Wish I was there!


Post# 284564 , Reply# 28   6/14/2014 at 09:40 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Very first Royal

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With revolving brush, the 1932 Royal "Crown". It's awesome. Russ just had to try it.

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Post# 284565 , Reply# 29   6/14/2014 at 09:42 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
The Torrington

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Made in Torrington, Conn. David Morgan from Ohio just had to try it out. The Torrington was made in 1917 and still works perfectly. The original bag is a nice touch.

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Post# 284566 , Reply# 30   6/14/2014 at 09:43 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Robert C. from Quincy

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With the 1914 Royal "Standard". Still cleaning like it's new 100 years later.

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Post# 284567 , Reply# 31   6/14/2014 at 09:45 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
John Pease

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With the Regina upright. Uses a Westinghouse motor, very quiet (surprisingly so) and excellent pick up. Huge bag. Thanks John for giving it a whirl.

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Post# 284568 , Reply# 32   6/14/2014 at 09:49 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
The Air-Way "Super Chief" Sanitary System

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Chris from Ohio just had to try it. Beater Bars mounted on rubber, this machine could outclean a Hoover. This is the FIRST vacuum design with a power nozzle (2 motor system) in the world. Also features a bare floor shut off switch for the brush. 50 years ahead of its time.

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Post# 284570 , Reply# 33   6/14/2014 at 09:53 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Checking out the instruction manual

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Russ is perusing the 1958 pink KenKart's instruction manual. Did anyone know that machine had an optional cord winder that went underneath? Very advanced for the time. And oh so "pank"!!!

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Post# 284571 , Reply# 34   6/14/2014 at 09:54 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Simplicity S10P (Premium)

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Robert and Chris check out the Brand New for 2014 Simplicity ultra light model, this one is the top of the line.

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Post# 284572 , Reply# 35   6/14/2014 at 09:55 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Dr. Dawson

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Patrick Dawson vacuuming with Evan Roger's Filthy Queen TRIPLE-Crown.

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Post# 284573 , Reply# 36   6/14/2014 at 09:57 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
The Hoover Windtunnel Air

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"Pro". We celebrate all brands and ages of vacuums at the Vacuum Cleaner Museum. As my BF, Donnie, would say "The Hoover gots the sucky sucky". It's a very powerful machine.

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Post# 284574 , Reply# 37   6/14/2014 at 10:00 (3,597 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
John Pease and Roger Brown

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Check out the Electrolux (Aerus) Platinum Edition at the Electrolux display at the Vacuum Cleaner Museum. Thanks to my friend and Aerus Vice President, Rich Luisi, for providing the 90th anniversary models to the Museum.

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Post# 284575 , Reply# 38   6/14/2014 at 10:02 (3,597 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City)        
Doggone it!

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Did I miss yet ANOTHER convention??

:(

Looks like you guys had fun!!


Post# 284577 , Reply# 39   6/14/2014 at 10:49 (3,597 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Some great pictures there!!

One day I may just attend one of these conventions, there is just the small matter of crossing the "pond"!


Post# 284581 , Reply# 40   6/14/2014 at 11:46 (3,597 days old) by BrianKirbyClass (Eudora Kansas)        

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Looks like a good time was had by all!,,,but then when Tom Gasko is the host,,your sure to have a good time! Thanks for posting the pics!

Post# 284594 , Reply# 41   6/14/2014 at 14:31 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Russ's new treasures

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Russ's Dial-A-Matic from John Pease, his GE from me, and his Hoover Convertible from Alex Braun. Enjoy them in good health Russ.

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Post# 284597 , Reply# 42   6/14/2014 at 14:35 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Rowe with his Riccar

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Top of the line R10Premium. With lifetime belt and hall sensor

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Post# 284598 , Reply# 43   6/14/2014 at 14:36 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Bob

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Working on his filthy queen and rainblow. Every convention is a learning experience.

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Post# 284600 , Reply# 44   6/14/2014 at 14:38 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
I taught Russ

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How to rebuild his rainbow D4. it now works like a brand new one. Great machine Russ

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Post# 284601 , Reply# 45   6/14/2014 at 14:39 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Bob is almost done.

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Post# 284602 , Reply# 46   6/14/2014 at 14:42 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Russ's Rainbow Performance Edition

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All rebuilt and back together. People don't just come to a convention to look at vacuum cleaners. They also leave with an education. We are a very hands on group.

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Post# 284609 , Reply# 47   6/14/2014 at 15:03 (3,596 days old) by westinghouseman (Capron, Illinois, 13 miles due north of Belvidere, Illinois.)        
Good Times

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Hi All:

Looks like you guys are having a grand time -- glad to see the pictures!

Continue on!!

Ken Wagman


Post# 284610 , Reply# 48   6/14/2014 at 15:07 (3,596 days old) by kirbyg6 (York)        

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Wow it looks like Ll of you are having fun

Post# 284614 , Reply# 49   6/14/2014 at 16:15 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Demonstrating the Royal Everlast

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on the carpets in the vestibule. The dust just boiled out. Carpet agitation is far superior to Kirby because of the Brush Stiffeners on the Royal. Plus the greater airflow.

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Post# 284615 , Reply# 50   6/14/2014 at 16:16 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Matt and Rowe are shocked

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To see so much dirt come out of the Rug, that had just been cleaned by a Kirby. Royal air cushioned vibration rocks all the way.

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Post# 284617 , Reply# 51   6/14/2014 at 16:20 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Here's ME

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Teaching a repair class. I really enjoy sharing with my friends, and they all go home with properly working vacuums. Every single Club Member (my club is made up of friends) went home with vacuum favorites they've only dreamed about.

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Post# 284625 , Reply# 52   6/14/2014 at 17:29 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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John and Derreck give my Riccar Ultra Premium a nod of approval.

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Post# 284627 , Reply# 53   6/14/2014 at 17:42 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Bob just couldn't keep his hands off Donnie's Ultra Premium Riccar

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Post# 284630 , Reply# 54   6/14/2014 at 17:44 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Bob loving on my new Kenmore bagless.

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Post# 284631 , Reply# 55   6/14/2014 at 17:47 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Donnie to Bob: "get your hands off my Riccar"

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Post# 284640 , Reply# 56   6/14/2014 at 18:03 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Barbecue

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At Tom's house. Thanks to Donnie for cooking while we were playing with vacs

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Post# 284645 , Reply# 57   6/14/2014 at 19:03 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
The General Electric mobile maid

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From 1958. Watching the loading pattern. It washed our BBQ dishes and dried them in 32 minutes.

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Post# 284730 , Reply# 58   6/15/2014 at 08:59 (3,596 days old) by kenkart ()        
I wish!

We could have been there! I know Clay does too, he has not been well lately, everyone who can please give him a call, It looks like you all had fun just like we used to.

Post# 284735 , Reply# 59   6/15/2014 at 10:21 (3,596 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Hey Hans. It WAS just as much fun as the old VCCC conventions used to be when we first joined the club. Instead of a banquet, my boyfriend barbecued while all the guys played with vacuums. Your standing isn't determined by what rare machines you have. No stupid cocktail parties and awards. Everyone leaves smarter than they arrived (about vacuums) and virtually everyone left with a new treasure.

Post# 284751 , Reply# 60   6/15/2014 at 14:22 (3,595 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

My kind of get together. Good people, good food, good fun and vacuums. No drama, no fuss.


Post# 284776 , Reply# 61   6/15/2014 at 18:56 (3,595 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Tom,

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Looks like a fun time was had by all. Greatto see all those cleaners.
We had a great time as well. Although i NEVER tasted a dropf alcohol., a nice cocktsail party can be a lot of fun. Games, retorations, vacuum frollicking in general can be a fun time. Our dinner was simple but quite tasty. At no time dsid anyone bash any other functions.... am I right, Gang? Just the opposite, actually. THer are plenty of vacs to go around. And there are plenty of enthusiasts. I'd say, for the most part, our convention (40 people) was drama free.
Thanks for those pics.


Post# 284801 , Reply# 62   6/15/2014 at 20:43 (3,595 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi Mr. Long, Sir!

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This was like stepping back into my garage/museum in Naperville, Illinois in the early 1990's. And it was great to be back at Kirby.

Right now I'm on the computer at the hotel, I leave for Amtrak at midnight (2:00 am departure) Yes Alex turns back into a pumpkin again, and retreats to his 100 acre farm!

It was also great to welcome some new members, and teach the history of the vacuum cleaner again.

It was an awesome weekend!

Alex Taber.


Post# 284828 , Reply# 63   6/15/2014 at 22:58 (3,595 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Oh Alex

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I'm so very happy that you guys had a great weekend. I had actually forgotten all about it until my old friend Bill Kirby reminded me. How sad that no pictures were allowed to be taken at the factory. It must be a great mystery as to how a Kirby vacuum cleaner is made. While I'm sure it's very, very difficult to make one model for several years, the Tacony factory is busy producing 81 models on 23 assembly lines. With all of that going on above my head, at the world's only vacuum cleaner Museum, it is sometimes hard to think. Since I am involved with the Proto type models, I never think to hide them from my friends. We had a great time this weekend playing with some of them. I'm delighted you had a great time at Kirbys fake 100th anniversary. I understand the rainbow company has decided that 2015 is their fake one hundredth anniversary as well. I mean it's not like there are any vacuum cleaner collectors to challenge them on it. I am particularly happy to hear that you got into the filter Queen factory again. I remember when I went more than 10 years ago when I was still a member of the VCCC. I hope everyone got to see the dual cyclonic, bagless filter Queen that James Dyson designed for them. I must dig the picture out that I took when we were there last time. Jimmy Martin won a defender and Dan Marino brought his chrome plated Lewyt electronic. Good times, good memories.

Post# 284875 , Reply# 64   6/16/2014 at 09:55 (3,595 days old) by portapower (BRUNSWICK)        
convention

I'm new to this and live in Ohio. Where exactly was the convention and where is the vac museum ?

Post# 284885 , Reply# 65   6/16/2014 at 11:43 (3,595 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

The VCCC convention was right there in Cleveland at one of the hotels by the Airport. The museum is in St. Joseph MO, at the Tacony factory where Riccar, Simplicity and Maytag vacuums are made.


Post# 284908 , Reply# 66   6/16/2014 at 15:15 (3,594 days old) by cleaningbuff (Quincy, IL)        
museum location

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St James Mo

Post# 284918 , Reply# 67   6/16/2014 at 16:15 (3,594 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi tom.

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Words cannot describe how happy I am right now, Other than a few new testing machines, and of course a new model, Kirby was everything I remember when I was there as a training manager in 1981.

As for the pictures, this is common, most companies prohibits photographs. If you recall, Stan Kann told us the same thing at the Fox theater in 06. In fact, I recall the stage manager threatening to call off rehearsals for Phantom of the Opera unless people stopped taking photos of the stage. 'No pictures' was a requirement in every Broadway show. As for Kirby, my sales crew had to sign the same type letter stating that we would not photograph anything. Electrolux also told me that in 1968 when I sold the 1205, so it's not strictly Kirby.

Do I care? no! I saw the machines in development, and have that picture in my mind forever. Hoover, Air-Way, Electrolux and countless others were closed mouthed about new models, in fact, as you know, because you were there, the V.C.C.C. was lucky enough to be in there, the models vault at Hoover was off limits to most staff. Only the top of the top brass got in there. That's why it was such an honor for me in 1980, and John Lucia and I in 82 to be in there, as well as the club in 94. And I'll go further, when John Lucia and I had an interview with Jackie Love at Hoover for the Hoover News, telling of our interest, it was pulled because I worked for Kirby. The reason? conflict of interest. Kirby did not pull that on us, but opened their doors.

You of all people know how hard I fought to get vacuum cleaner companies to answer my letters in the first months of the V.C.C.C.! Only now, are companies like Kirby, Filter Queen and so on embracing the V.C.C.C., so why bite the hand that feeds us?

The same stands true of the security guard watching us, that's his job, and would do it if the tour was a high school group, or any organization you can name. So business and technology are what they are, I'm not offended in the least.

A very happy Alex Taber.


Post# 284919 , Reply# 68   6/16/2014 at 16:35 (3,594 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
The Kirby front talk.

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As a training manager I had to drum this into the heads of every new trainee.

"The Kirby is named after it's inventor, James B. Kirby, and is a division of the Scott & Fetzer company, which has been in business since 1914." Therefore, the 'Kirby company' falls under that timeframe. As for Mr. Kirby, he was manufacturing vacuum cleaners as early as 1906. Do I care if it's 1914, or 1919? no, I'm just glad I had the chance to be there.

Nobody seems to grumble if a movie is not accurate. The Sound of Music is a great story, but it's the Hollywood version of the Von Trapp family. It's also full of half truths and outright lies. As for Kirby, numerous people in the top management, as well as those at Scott & Fetzer are going with 1914-2014.

I can live with that!


Post# 285009 , Reply# 69   6/17/2014 at 09:19 (3,594 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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I can't live with that Alex. The "Kirby Company" is a division of Scott and Fetzer. Scott and Fetzer wouldn't meet until 1915. Jim Kirby wouldn't meet either of them until 1917. No "Kirby" designed vacuum was made by Scott and Fetzer until 1919. I'm sorry, but I work in the world's only Vacuum Cleaner Museum, I just can't ignore the fact this isn't the Kirby Company's anniversary year.

The "100th Anniversary" is the brain child of the marketing department, it has no basis in facts. However, there shouldn't be anyone alive who would know the difference. But we do. By going along with it, it perpetuates the myth. Does it matter? No. They'll still sell lots of Kirbys and the half truth doesn't matter to the ultimate customer.

I'll be sure to make the suggestion to Tacony's marketing department that Simplicity should have a fake 100th anniversary this year as well. After all, if actual vacuum cleaner collectors and their 'club' don't care, why shouldn't every manufacturer have a fake anniversary?

I'm delighted to hear you all had a good time. The last time I was at Kirby and Filter Queen, I was still part of the VCCC. I'm sure it was as good this time as last. The last time I was at Filter Queen with the VCCC, we saw the prototype that James Dyson made of a dual cyclonic FQ. Now that was something to see. I hope you all got to see it this year.

Maybe we'll use MAYTAG (since we make Maytag vacuums) as our "100th Anniversary" model.

Here's Russ from Florida (and a Vacuum Cleaner Collectors Group member) with a Maytag M1200 "fake anniversary model".


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Post# 285052 , Reply# 70   6/17/2014 at 12:32 (3,593 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Hi Tom.

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Looks like we have to agree to disagree, again.

As for the Kirby date, I couldn't care less!! All I care about is how gracious Kirby was to us. They were fantastic.

Alex Taber.


Post# 285063 , Reply# 71   6/17/2014 at 13:01 (3,593 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I've not lost a minute of sleep over it, myself.

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It certainly isn't my place to tell a company what to do or not to do. I was glad to see the factory, even though everyone knows I'm 100% HOOVER. It was great to stand in 3 U.S. companies, full of very proud people.
That's a might nice looking Russ there, too. Although I don't know him, I appreciate good looking things.and people.


Post# 285105 , Reply# 72   6/17/2014 at 15:57 (3,593 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Alex:

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You've always been a 'historian' and worked very hard to research companies in the past. I'm just shocked that you don't care. I really believed you were more passionate about ACCURACY than that.

As I said, it actually doesn't matter (to anyone other than a vacuum cleaner collector like me). The marketing departments always have 'gimmicks' they use to make people feel good about their expensive purchase. Who cares if they claim to be 100 or 200 years old. All that matters is that they sell what they make. Any manufacturer cares only about that.

Perhaps because I DO work for a vacuum cleaner manufacturer, and we DID launch over 20 new models in January of this past year, I understand all that goes into it. I'm glad Kirby was gracious to your group and that you all had fun.

I just cannot in good conscience pretend that it's Kirby's 100th anniversary. Especially since 2010 was Jim Kirby's ACTUAL 100th anniversary of a Kirby vacuum cleaner (The Frantz Premier). 2014 is Jim Kirby's ACTUAL anniversary of his first non-electric (The EZEE Grasshopper - made by Frantz Premier and NOT Scott and Fetzer). They were both production model vacuums, made in great quantities and sold to the public - many years before Scott and Fetzer came along.

But on the other hand - who cares. Maybe I can talk Tacony's marketing department into celebrating Simplicity's fake 100th anniversary next year. After all, vacuum collectors won't care.


Post# 285112 , Reply# 73   6/17/2014 at 16:35 (3,593 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
vacuum company dates

Some good points above.Also-
Didn't REGINA use 1892 when they started with music boxes(one is in a nearby museum)?
And didn't ROYAL use 1905?Did they even have a vac in 1905?
But HOOVER did the 'right' thing by not using leather product dates on 'the HOOVER'.
I think we do care but also know or can find out other information that at least lets us understand any reasons for stated dates.
For the average customer it might be good to have a '100th anniv Maytag'even though a collector will know the rest of the story decade by decade.


Post# 285119 , Reply# 74   6/17/2014 at 17:31 (3,593 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)        
Tom.

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My mom told me as a kid. "If you know you're right it doesn't matter what other people think!" As a dyed in the wool Kirby collector, and historian, I know for a fact that this WAS the 100th anniversary of the Kirby division of the Scott & Fetzer company!

You and I have disagreed in the past, and always about trivial things. I do care about Kirby, but not about fighting. I won't go there.

And that is the last comment I'm going to make on this subject,
Robert Alexander Taber.


Post# 285122 , Reply# 75   6/17/2014 at 17:59 (3,593 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
This may explain it

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This link may explain why Kirby considers 2014 as its 100th Anniversary.  Apparently, George Scott started a machine shop in 1914. 



CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekastar's LINK

Post# 285124 , Reply# 76   6/17/2014 at 18:25 (3,593 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Demonstrating the 1917 Torrington upright to a few of my friends during the vacuum cleaner collectors group convention. This machine has got so much suction it's unbelievable

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Post# 285125 , Reply# 77   6/17/2014 at 18:26 (3,593 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The entrance to the vacuum cleaner museum. We welcome all vacuum cleaner collectors.

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Post# 285126 , Reply# 78   6/17/2014 at 18:27 (3,593 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The airway sanitary system, with the exclusive and patented 14 layer cellulose filter fiber disposable dust container. 50 years ahead of its time

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Post# 285127 , Reply# 79   6/17/2014 at 18:33 (3,593 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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1930's model Air-way sanitary systems (uprights) and the purple Sanitizor

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Post# 285128 , Reply# 80   6/17/2014 at 18:35 (3,593 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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1930's model Hoover's. My favorite models!

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Post# 285130 , Reply# 81   6/17/2014 at 18:36 (3,593 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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1919 Kirby Vacuettes. The FIRST vacuum that Scott and Fetzer made (despite their fake 100th anniversary).

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Post# 285131 , Reply# 82   6/17/2014 at 18:41 (3,593 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Alex Braun with Austin Wilder's vacuum cleaner bag jacket.

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Post# 285132 , Reply# 83   6/17/2014 at 18:43 (3,593 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Me demonstrating the unique features of the Air-way sanitary system to my friends and fellow collectors group members.

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Post# 285133 , Reply# 84   6/17/2014 at 18:44 (3,593 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Chris Spoon with Russ's beautiful Hoover Constellation. On the end is Russ's battery powered nozzle. Works like a Miele.

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Post# 285134 , Reply# 85   6/17/2014 at 18:45 (3,593 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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Post# 285135 , Reply# 86   6/17/2014 at 18:46 (3,593 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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1950's Fabulousness!!! So "pank".

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Post# 285137 , Reply# 87   6/17/2014 at 18:54 (3,593 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Going through Alex's garage. You wouldn't believe the treasures we found in there. Every single person went away with something for their collection. I came away with nine machines. Including a Kirby 2c. love going to Alex's house

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Post# 285143 , Reply# 88   6/17/2014 at 19:44 (3,593 days old) by filterqueenman (Park City UT)        
getting free coffee mugs and t-shirts goes a long way....

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You offer some great facts but the condescending remarks in my personal opinion take away from what was a well thought out response.  This is like beating a dead horse.  Give it a rest already.  You have your theory others have them...and so life goes on....

 

You guys have such an issues with this then write to Kirby, don't blow the wonderful time members who attended the convention in OH.  had at the Kirby Company.  It is like raining on someone's parade.

 

 


Post# 285145 , Reply# 89   6/17/2014 at 20:01 (3,593 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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Post# 285146 , Reply# 90   6/17/2014 at 20:06 (3,593 days old) by filterqueenman (Park City UT)        
Yep

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You say Snarky I say nasty.... How did I take your SNARKY comment out of context...it was Snarky you admit it!  As I said Life goes on - I love your passion I do not like your overtones.  Shame you have a lot to share but honestly a total turn off when you add as you say Snarky comments!!!!

 

 


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Post# 285149 , Reply# 92   6/17/2014 at 20:34 (3,593 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

I can see valid points from both sides of the aisle.

Technically speaking Tom is correct in that the first Kirby cleaner was not manufactured in 1914.

Generally speaking Alex is correct that Kirby is going back to its roots (the initial developments of what would become Kirby cleaners) by celebrating its hundredth in 2014.

The decision to mark 1914 as the company's beginning was made prior to its 50th in 1964, so Kirby's old regime was responsible; not recent management.

Jimmy raises some good points, too, about how other companies have marked their beginnings not necessarily by their popular products or by the first product branded with the company name but by developments which led to the product or name.

Someone even pointed out in another thread that Electrolux USA was a division of AB Electrolux, so technically its claim that Electrolux is 90 years old is incorrect (one could correctly say that Aerus/Electrolux USA is 90). AB Lux, the company that made possible the manufacture of Axel Wenner-Gren's 1912 Model I vacuum cleaner, had actually begun in 1901 by selling kerosene lamps. The merger of AB Elektron's Elektromekaniska, both owned by Wenner-Gren, and AB Lux occurred in 1919 at which time the Electro-lux name was born (the hyphen being omitted sometime later).

So saying that Aerus is the "original Electrolux" is untrue. The original Electrolux is a Swedish product that began prior to the 1924 start of the USA division. A more accurate claim, then, would be to state that Aerus was the manufacturer of the popular Model XXX, Model G, and Ultralux models (among others)--or that Aerus continues the manufacture of products established by Electrolux USA in 1924. Do I think it's worth arguing over? No. I can simply disagree with someone who says Aerus is the original Electrolux and move forward.

That being said, I think this forum is at its best when persons are humble enough to know that no one has all the answers, so sharing our knowledge and opinions is valuable to help us all grow. Correspondingly, we need to respectfully point out facts we have learned without being confrontational or condescending. Many on this forum (albeit not all) have a passion for collecting vacuum cleaners & vacuum cleaner accessories and shampooers/scrubbers/buffers. That passion can either divide or unite--it's up to each contributor.



Post# 285151 , Reply# 93   6/17/2014 at 20:45 (3,593 days old) by filterqueenman (Park City UT)        
Kevin

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Simply excellent response!!!!!!!!! 


Post# 285153 , Reply# 94   6/17/2014 at 20:52 (3,593 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

Thanks, Doug. I appreciate that as I took a great deal of time putting it together.

Post# 285181 , Reply# 95   6/18/2014 at 00:47 (3,593 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
Tom,

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That humble gathering of vacuum collector friends looks like FUN! One day I'm making the trip to St.James!

I agree with you about the 1919 start date of Jim Kirby's vacuum manufacturing career with Scott & Fetzer, Kirby is likely not celebrating KIRBY'S 100th, but rather there parent company, Scott & Fetzer. Kirby has had 2014 set in stone since 1964, when the all-new Dual-Speed 50th anniversary model was launched (including special 1964 lighted headlamp lens).


Post# 285191 , Reply# 96   6/18/2014 at 02:31 (3,593 days old) by ohiovac (Ohio)        

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I have been to the vacuum museum and cherish my time there and the friends I have made. I also enjoyed the Kirby celebration and how all the companies treated us and fed us and were so nice. I am glad there are companies such as Kirby, Filter Queen, and Tacony that manufacture in the USA! I am even happier that I have been in all of those factories. :). I am attaching some of the photos I took of the fun weekend.

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Post# 285242 , Reply# 97   6/18/2014 at 15:00 (3,592 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Missy Mae, sleeping in her chair about 10 minutes after the last person left my house after the Barbecue to end the Vacuum Cleaner Collectors Group Convention. She's just a year and a half old, really still a puppy, and all the excitement got to her. I can't begin to imagine what she'll be like next year.

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Post# 285255 , Reply# 98   6/18/2014 at 16:20 (3,592 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

So cute and so tired


Post# 285447 , Reply# 99   6/19/2014 at 18:02 (3,591 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
Okay...

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I just have to nit-pick here, I didn't attend any of these conventions, nor did I visit any collector's house, but I still feel like I need to say something. Tom, you are right in the fact that all companies use some sort of "marketing gimmick" at one time or another. What company doesn't do that? I'd go so far as to say that you are biased when it comes to brands, and I don't blame you for being biased towards your own company, but you don't get to bash the others. I am 99% certain that you use marketing tactics in your company. There's nothing wrong with that, but you cannot criticize other companies when you're doing the exact same thing. Nobody knows it all, some know more than others, but you're being unfair and hypocritical. There's nothing wrong with Rainbow or Filter Queen. Hell, I don't even like using Tacony machines! Have you seen the reliability ratings? You can't honestly say that they're 100% American-Made when half the parts are from China.

Just for the record, I am a Kirby fan. I have had no issues with any of mine. I don't care if the company "lies to the customers". They've done me no wrong. Good day to you, sir.


Post# 285462 , Reply# 100   6/19/2014 at 20:16 (3,591 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
to add to my last reply

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I just love how Tom makes all these snippy comments and then 5 minutes later he acts as though nothing happens. Don't act all innocent, everyone saw you do it. You can be better than that.

Post# 285466 , Reply# 101   6/19/2014 at 20:30 (3,591 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        

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I would've loved to see the 1980 Rainbow D3 cleaners with what may be the final version of the R-1024 power nozzle (type G-H).

~Ben


Post# 285537 , Reply# 102   6/20/2014 at 09:16 (3,591 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
For the record Jacker15

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I didn't bash a vacuum cleaner. Remember, I have one of every model Kirby and I do like them. I don't like the fact that they are saying it's the 100th anniversary of KIRBY. It is not.

Tacony's marketing department only has to sell the machines to the dealers. They are not involved, other than in making the brochures, with how the machines are sold. The phrase "half the parts are Chinese" is just stupid. Unless and until you go through the factory and see what is actually made here, you'll never know.
Remember, Kirby doesn't use all American-Made parts. It's a global world. If you think their cords and bags are made in the USA, think again.

While I can fight with the best of them, I'm not here to fight with anyone. It makes no difference to me if you or anyone visits the Vacuum Museum. I love coming to work every day, and I enjoy showing the Museum to the general public. They are amazed, grateful, appreciative of my knowledge and time, and thank me for a guided tour. I realize how lucky I am to get paid very well for doing something I love.


Post# 285539 , Reply# 103   6/20/2014 at 09:30 (3,591 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)        
Kirby outer bags

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The VCCC saw the bags being sewn together at Cleveland Wood Products. The bags are made here.

Post# 285543 , Reply# 104   6/20/2014 at 09:50 (3,591 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Kenny: The disposable bags.

Post# 285571 , Reply# 105   6/20/2014 at 14:10 (3,590 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Arrived too late for the convention

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The Royal power tank, with the Royal – built. Power Nozzle.

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Post# 285574 , Reply# 106   6/20/2014 at 14:55 (3,590 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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That is a very nice Royal Tom.

 

I have a "thing " for cylindrical vacuums with wheels ever since I saw a BVC been used to clean a school I was at years ago.

Still Hunting for that BVC :) 


Post# 285575 , Reply# 107   6/20/2014 at 14:58 (3,590 days old) by Jaker15 (Meridian, ID)        
Who in the heck

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is Jacker? Check your spelling on that one.

As for reliability, my friend had a Riccar Radiance she paid a lot of money for, and she hated it. Something broke on it regularly, and she had spent almost as much on repairs as she paid for the vacuum. It didn't clean worth a damn, and was ridiculously heavy. Her Royal, however, was magnificent. It did sit in her garage for a long time, because it didn't work and the vac shop told her it needed a new motor. I asked her about it, and she said I could take it home and see if I could fix it. It would turn on, but the motor did not turn. I thought that it might just need oil, so I took it inside, and felt around in the fan housing to see if anything was out of the ordinary. I discovered a broken belt lodged between the fan and housing. I pulled it out using needle-nose pliers, and lo and behold, the Royal was alive. It actually kind of startled me when it turned on, I didn't know how loud it would be. lol. I then re-installed the belt that was on the roller, and went to get Kim, the owner. She didn't believe me at first that I fixed it, but I said come over and test it out yourself. It worked so well, she was almost in tears. I made her so happy. She did take it into the shop for a tune-up, and it works like new. The Riccar has since sat in the back of the closet, ironically, collecting dust. Her exact words were "I hate that plastic thing. It doesn't clean worth a dang and is too heavy to push. It breaks without any use whatsoever." That Royal, however, propelled itself across the carpet like it was possessed.


Post# 285578 , Reply# 108   6/20/2014 at 15:30 (3,590 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Why are you commenting on my thread? You're not a part of my vacuum collectors club, I do not know you, and this thread is nothing about Riccar or simplicity reliability. Do not try to bait me into arguing with a child. I refuse. This thread is about a convention of vacuum cleaner collectors who came to the museum.

Post# 285580 , Reply# 109   6/20/2014 at 15:36 (3,590 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Because Donnie was such a good sport when dealing with all of my friends who came to the vacuum cleaner collectors convention, I gave him a brand-new Maytag M 500. He says he loves it.

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Post# 285596 , Reply# 110   6/20/2014 at 18:27 (3,590 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Looks like a very fun time was had by all, I would love to visit someday!
Scott


Post# 285617 , Reply# 111   6/20/2014 at 21:45 (3,590 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Scott, even though I have never met you in person, from what I understand you are a very intelligent young man. Would love to meet you one day and show you around the museum.


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