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Post# 282725   6/2/2014 at 08:06 (3,587 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Picked this up on Sunday! I remember them when they were new but have never actually used one! Is a very interesting machine based on the quick play I;ve had (got a DC04 which went first into the refurb pile as I will sell it)

The motor is VERY LOUD! Gives an aquavac a run for its money! Suction from the tools is mediocre, but both foam filters are very dusty. Despite this however it grooms really well and did pull a massive chunk of rubbish out of our rugs, despite them being frequently turbopowered!

Is missing the dusting brush sadly, and has the horrible purepower tools with the crevice tool attachment thing inside of them. Yet to pull it apart at all but it's a funky little thing.

Does have rear wheel issues though, they wobble around so when I push it on the rear wheels it does a little fat man shuffle from side to side!

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Will kick the decent photos off when I get started!


Post# 282726 , Reply# 1   6/2/2014 at 08:56 (3,587 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Both my early Purepowers and my Vortex do that wobble thing :p The introduced that crevice tool slot in the upholstery and dusting tool on the Turbopower 2 cleaners. :)
Nice find :)


Post# 282728 , Reply# 2   6/2/2014 at 09:03 (3,587 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

You're right! It's been so long since I;ve had a TP2 I'd forgotten!

It is nice to use, hopefully I can quieten the motor down a bit to make it more bearable!


Post# 282730 , Reply# 3   6/2/2014 at 09:33 (3,587 days old) by citroenbx (england)        

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very nice


Post# 282757 , Reply# 4   6/2/2014 at 14:04 (3,586 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Cheers!

Found a broken bit already, will glue up nicely though!

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Is it 1999 or 2000? Cant remember which block of numbers to look at on the candy stickers!

Filter was a bit chokka though

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Hoovered it out with a compact and it was slightly better

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Will wash it well when I refurb the machine. Very annoyed actually as I had a NOS HEPA filter for one of these, which I binned when I cleared out the garage as I didnt think I'd ever have one...grrr Dont bin anything you may think you never need...

The whole things choked with dust. Suction is a bit better but I think its pretty poor still

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However it works pretty well. Bloody loud though!





I'm not a convert though, not when I can do this with one of these...






Post# 282763 , Reply# 5   6/2/2014 at 14:33 (3,586 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Was that the post motor filter Beko? Its no wonder the motor is noisy if all that dust passed through it. Dont they have an effective pre-motor filter in these?


Post# 282765 , Reply# 6   6/2/2014 at 14:45 (3,586 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Nice find, there was one of these on my carboot as well, but it was dirty & had a few bits missing.

It's from the 27th week of 1999, BTW.


Post# 282768 , Reply# 7   6/2/2014 at 14:51 (3,586 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Ah it does have a pretty motor filter, its hilarious. Will take a PIC after bath time!

Post# 282770 , Reply# 8   6/2/2014 at 14:54 (3,586 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I've seen them lol - on ALex'es - you have to take the top off the side air duct and its just in there - a very small, coarse filter that lets all the dust pass through into the motor. VERY bad design, and not good for the motor or its bearings.


Post# 282780 , Reply# 9   6/2/2014 at 15:30 (3,586 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

You think "ooh its under the button..." Its not a button... Pull the cap off, and theres an orange filter housing underneath. Ah, nice long filter that goes under the bulge...

No, the unwell looking bit of foam is it. Will replace it with something better I think!


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Post# 282784 , Reply# 10   6/2/2014 at 15:49 (3,586 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Th link shows what this is supposed to look like  - yours is missing its filter completely



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Post# 282786 , Reply# 11   6/2/2014 at 15:51 (3,586 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Post Motor filter



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Post# 282790 , Reply# 12   6/2/2014 at 16:14 (3,586 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

No its there, just very dead! Will replace it with something slightly denser to help the filtration

Post# 282799 , Reply# 13   6/2/2014 at 16:38 (3,586 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Still, its not a very good idea to have all the dust pass through the motor though, and the exhaust filter to do the main filtering. They probably did this deliberately to shorten the motor life. Planned obsolescence again by design.


Post# 282826 , Reply# 14   6/2/2014 at 20:34 (3,586 days old) by baglessball ()        
I think that..

That filter was just to stop the larger particles of hair and fluff entering the motor. However, I'm sure with the large ducting down the side of the machine that hoover could of used a bigger and better standard filter in there.

I imagine you are right Steve. The selling point of this machine over a Dyson was no filter replacement. I think i remember the advertising made the cyclone sound that efficient, rather than the fact its filters are washable.

I always found airflow through these machines to be lacking, as the exhaust on the small inner cyclone is tiny. The motor always sounds under pressure. And yours sounds full of dust! :P I remember family who had these would remember to wash filters, but forget about the hidden shroud.

I knew a woman who would only wash the filters once the motor had blown, so she didn't have to pay for the repair. Why? Who knows.

I have never found a vacuum with that chassis (purpepower, dustmanager) that rolls across a hard floor smoothly. It makes vacuuming a hard floor really irritating.

My grandma owned the hard box/ cord rewind version of the turbopower above. Lots of nostalgia attached to their hum.

Always enjoy your refurb threads Sam :)

Good luck, and don't F*** it up. ( I need to stop watching so much Rupaul)


Post# 282831 , Reply# 15   6/2/2014 at 21:07 (3,586 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Post# 282885 , Reply# 16   6/3/2014 at 04:55 (3,586 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
here is mine...model V1500

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Post# 282886 , Reply# 17   6/3/2014 at 04:58 (3,586 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Post# 282888 , Reply# 18   6/3/2014 at 05:43 (3,586 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Nice! Your filter looks healthier than mine! Their only £1.20 from Qualtex too!

Post# 282889 , Reply# 19   6/3/2014 at 06:21 (3,586 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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The one that was original to it had fluff and hairs embedded inside it. I bought is a brandnew one for a fiver and was surprised that it was genuine when it arrived.

Post# 282972 , Reply# 20   6/3/2014 at 17:22 (3,585 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        
Stripped it!

Got a DC04 washed, and sat down with the Vortex

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Height adjuster off

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Hose off

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Hood off

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Nearly didnt see whese paper gaskets

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Release pedal

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Brushroll is in good condition

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Belt looks a bit shagged though

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End caps off

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and brushroll split

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Annoyingly one bearing wont come off the shaft, so I'll have to re-grease it in situ. One of the end caps wouldnt come off either so I left it on

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I then tried to work out how to remove the bottom chassis. Then it fell apart...

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Fiddled the spring clip off

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This is the only bit of damage on the whole machine. Will glue it up when washed

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Rear wheels off

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Release mechanism out

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More paper gaskets

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Last few bits off

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Left a bit of a mess though

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'Filter' housing apart

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The yummy motor

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Looks familiar...

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Just so happens the DC04 I'm doing at the moment has an Amtek unit too! Knew I;d seen it somewhere

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Popped it out the way for now

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Tools off. dont suppose anyone has a dusting brush do they?

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The top button blank is a screw cover!

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Gubbins removed

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Cracked it

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Spinal cord out

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Removed the rear cover

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And the rear handle

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'Cyclone' removed

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Then laughed at the intake assembly. Looks like it came from Wickes...

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Top rubber off

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Shroud off

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And thats as far as it goes, the whole assembly is welded together. Hopefully hot water will flush it through!

Cord rewind assembly

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And out

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Wiring removed

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Handle and rewind button removed

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Tool holders out!

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And all ready for washing when the DC04 is out the airing cupboard!

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Now I knew what the motor was, I felt alot more confident

Tappy tappy...

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Screwy screwy

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Carbons and holders out

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Coil out

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More tappy tappy

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Top bearing out

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Took the armature bearing off too and thought of something...

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2x NOS Hoover bearings to replace the crap ones in it. Will refurb the black ringed one but whilst it was out like this I wasnt going to cut corners! Bearings were obtained from stores in the 80's apparently!

Dip in brake cleaner and new grease will see this one right, they make dood non clutched dyson brushroll bearings

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Vacced everything off with the miele

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And done! Awaiting washing now. I'm more impressed with the Vortex now I've seen how it works! Confident that I can dial out the issues it has!

More soon!


Post# 282982 , Reply# 21   6/3/2014 at 18:08 (3,585 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
wow

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Can't wait to see more! :D

Post# 283021 , Reply# 22   6/4/2014 at 02:43 (3,585 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Need to wash and dry it first, doubt I'll get round to it before the weekend sadly.

Post# 283034 , Reply# 23   6/4/2014 at 07:31 (3,585 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        
Trying to figure out how the 'triple vortex' works

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Looking at that cyclone assembly, I see a shroud and a (small!) cyclone, but what's with all the extra and strange ducting around the cyclone? I know Hoover was trying to get around Dyson's patents, and built an extra step into their separation apparatus. Does anyone know how the triple vortex system works?

Post# 283037 , Reply# 24   6/4/2014 at 07:50 (3,585 days old) by baglessball ()        

I think it is like the Dual Cyclone, the only difference being that sort that exhausts the central cyclone is redirected to go through that stage again.

I may if read somewhere about it being a similar design to some sort of oil filter?

It works pretty well :)


Post# 283038 , Reply# 25   6/4/2014 at 07:58 (3,585 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I wish it would come apart as I was intrigued as to what the hell it was! Anyone got a spare unit and a bandsaw?

It almost seems like they redesigned it just to get around Dyson without much thought to the performance, I always thought right angles were a no-no in airflow terms? For my girlfriends car the best way to get another few BHP out of it is to chop a bit of the air box out to straighten the airflow out!

It's an odd machine this, some parts are impressive, and you can see the thought go into it, others are almsot as if the engineers went 'Shit lads, we havent/cant do/done this... whats a quick way to sort it (ala the diy overflow plumbing parts...)

Be interested to see how it performs when back together. Will do a head to head with the DC04, which has an IDENTICAL motor in!


Post# 283045 , Reply# 26   6/4/2014 at 09:11 (3,585 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
The Only Hoover Triple Vortex

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in the United States. It's incredibly loud and a terrible vacuum at deep cleaning. I've had this one for 14 years now.

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Post# 283061 , Reply# 27   6/4/2014 at 10:47 (3,584 days old) by citroenbx (england)        

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very nice I'd love a hoover vortex or hoover turbopower 3 with autosense



Post# 283062 , Reply# 28   6/4/2014 at 10:47 (3,584 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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It is not THAT loud, Tom but it was STUPIDLY better than the DC01!! in every way possible, better suction, better brushroll, easier to use and convenient tools...cord rewind on certain Vortex models, lifetime filters, it was a better answer to a Dyson at the time. But Dyson sued due to patents that Dyson had...I personally think James was annoyed Hoover made a better cleaner than he did.

Post# 283064 , Reply# 29   6/4/2014 at 10:50 (3,584 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Why people keep vacuums they don't like/hate just for the rareness, is beyond me!!

Post# 283088 , Reply# 30   6/4/2014 at 12:28 (3,584 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Post# 283089 , Reply# 31   6/4/2014 at 12:33 (3,584 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
I just noticed, Sam...

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My cyclone on my Vortex looks quite different.

Post# 283092 , Reply# 32   6/4/2014 at 12:52 (3,584 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Just a quick question...

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... does the Vortex V2001 - red & black with S class filtration - have the original style cyclone unit that Dyson sued Hoover over, or is it the newer but less efficient style?

 

Just asking as I have won one of eBay, and I'm looking forward to it, as many positive things have been said about it, including it beating a DC01 performance wise.

 

Just slightly worried that I may have payed a tad much for it, but judging by the pictures it looks ok.



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Post# 283095 , Reply# 33   6/4/2014 at 13:11 (3,584 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

A few screws and you will find out!

Nearly ordered a genuine activator for £6 but stopped myself, it doesn't need it!


Post# 283098 , Reply# 34   6/4/2014 at 13:28 (3,584 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Sam

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Thank you, will be giving it a good clean and refurbish when collected (Sunday).


Post# 283100 , Reply# 35   6/4/2014 at 13:45 (3,584 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
Suctionselector...

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If it says on the V2001 "Triple vortex system" then yes it will and I imagine it will have the efficient cyclone in it and not the later "Hurricane" style low efficiency cyclone.

Post# 283102 , Reply# 36   6/4/2014 at 13:47 (3,584 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Thanks Alex...

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... glad to know that it's the earlier style one. What makes the filters different compared to the regular V2000, do they have a similar style filter to the S-class PurePower's?


Post# 283112 , Reply# 37   6/4/2014 at 15:03 (3,584 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I find it quite hard to believe that the DC01 is less easier to use than a hoover triple vortex, the vac has a simple design really. 3 screws for a belt change, 2 rubber flaps under the back, a pullout filter, and a lift up post motor filter lid to see the filter and check it, just 1 button and the wand comes out, etc. I like the hoover though :)
PS That refurbishment looks great Sam! hope it works much better afterwards
Tayyab


Post# 283122 , Reply# 38   6/4/2014 at 15:33 (3,584 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, whilst I enjoyed playing about the DC01 when I had it, I was annoyed that the floor head had that adjusting pivot. Failed to get under beds too and was a major pain in the rear for maintaining carpet contact properly unless you constantly lower your back out via the handle.

I note the Vortex has manual height adjustment - so in theory, it should be better to control from the owner.


Post# 283132 , Reply# 39   6/4/2014 at 16:37 (3,584 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Vortex is only 2 screws for a belt change...

Given it has an OK motor I think its just let down by crap design and crap materials. Which is a shame as it should be better - its a 'hoover'!

I will do a direct comparison with a dc04 I have to see!


Post# 283145 , Reply# 40   6/4/2014 at 17:59 (3,584 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

The Vortex must be quite rare because I've only seen one of them on the car boot so far but it was in a worse state than yours & they wanted a bomb for it too.

Post# 283151 , Reply# 41   6/4/2014 at 19:24 (3,584 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
being the Dyson fan,

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You  HAVE to protect a Dyson from being beat by 1 screw in a belt changing contest!

 

But guess what takes ZERO screws to change a belt....


Post# 283187 , Reply# 42   6/4/2014 at 22:42 (3,584 days old) by HenryDreyfuss (Ohio)        
Thanks for the pics, Alex!

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That contraption is mind-boggling!

You're right Bball, Hoover did say they used technology used in oil-separation to develop this model. Dyson called B.S., but clearly Hoover put a lot of effort into their first dual-cyclonic upright. Too bad about that pre-motor filter. I bet many suffered similar fates that Fantoms did in the US.

I found an ad for it!






Post# 283211 , Reply# 43   6/5/2014 at 00:16 (3,584 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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These sold like hotcakes at the time, at least in my store. There were many customers who liked the bagless concept, but weren't quite "ready" for a Dyson, with it being a relative newcomer to the market and having such an unusual look. The Vortex gave them the features they wanted, but with a familiar brand name they already trusted, and styling they were more comfortable with. For every customer who is fickle and always searching for the next new thing, there is another who is more conservative and prefers to stick with what they know. Still true to this day, and will probably always remain so.

One of the biggest issues with the Vortex was its timing. It did indeed have several advantages over the DC01 and DC03, which gave it an edge for a very brief period, but those advantages were quickly overshadowed once the DC04 started appearing in full swing. Stole the thunder right out from underneath Hoover again, and that was before the patent row even started.

Me? I liked the Vortex, but could see from the get-go it was best suited to the type of customer who already goes out of their way to look after their things, and would maintain it religiously. It was certainly a lot less fussy than the Electrolux Cyclone Power, which would quickly choke with dust and fail no matter how much you pampered it. The only thing I wasn't particularly keen on was the fact that it was so top heavy, making it tiring on the arm. I don't think the location of the cord winder helped on that front, would have been better if they'd found a way to integrate it underneath the bin.


Post# 283227 , Reply# 44   6/5/2014 at 05:43 (3,584 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I do remember lots of people having them around 1999/2000. We couldnt afford one though so stuck with our trusty Lux Tango!

The cord winder on mine is a bit weak, wether its been like it since new or just got sloppy over the years I dont know. One has to feed it in as the weight of the plug and flex is too much. Will try to tweak it. Although if one pulls the cord you can feel it reach the end and give the cassette a yank too, imagine many failed because of this.

Anyone know that the random b&q white pipes are for in the hose inlet? May remove them and see if there is any change, surely it must restrict the airflow a tad?


Post# 283284 , Reply# 45   6/5/2014 at 11:34 (3,583 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
conspiracy!

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What if the pipe has nothing to do with the vacuum, and was simply a stuck clog!?

 

[Cue Twilight Zone theme!]


Post# 283315 , Reply# 46   6/5/2014 at 14:51 (3,583 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
here is a video I made to show the cyclone efficiency

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Post# 283319 , Reply# 47   6/5/2014 at 15:23 (3,583 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
Those "B&Q pipes"...

...are there for a reason: to adapt a circular cross-section of airflow to a more suitable flatter and smoother streamlined airflow entering the outer vortex chamber. Removing these pipes will introduce inefficient vortices around the rectangular opening.

Post# 283329 , Reply# 48   6/5/2014 at 16:47 (3,583 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

That's a good answer!

Post# 283470 , Reply# 49   6/6/2014 at 14:54 (3,582 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        

Thank you! :-)


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