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Post# 282436   5/31/2014 at 06:36 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        

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After reading a recent thread on the longevity of the Hoover PurePower, and how the PurePower may be dropped from the sale's following the new EU regulations, I took a sidewards glance at the Hoover products out there, including the PurePower.

 

As part of this, I saw a PurePower for sale at Argos, for £79.50. Not one to rush into things hastily, I did a bit of research, which involved reading customer reviews and sifting through the opiniated views of the Vacuumland bunch, on the PurePower, and it's past relatives. I was put off by the excessively powerful motor, and the dreaded PurePower lean, but I also wanted a machine for daily whizzing round the house with, and also I liked the sound of the long hose.

 

Surely Hoover must have done something right, to produce the cleaner for 17 years, albeit with minor changes. So, I went to Argos, and bought the PurePower. I came home that day with this...

 

Here are some unboxing photographs. 


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Post# 282437 , Reply# 1   5/31/2014 at 06:39 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Upon Unboxing...

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... I encountered this, the Hoover service helpline. I hope I won't be needing this numer any time soon!


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Post# 282438 , Reply# 2   5/31/2014 at 06:43 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Further in...

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... after removing the polystyrene block...


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Post# 282439 , Reply# 3   5/31/2014 at 06:46 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
One big pull and...

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... the cleaner pulls out, slight self assembly is needed, the handle unit and carry handle have to be screwed in, but it's only a two minute job to get it assembled.


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Post# 282440 , Reply# 4   5/31/2014 at 06:48 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Photo system...

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... it would appear that the photo system isn't working with me, so I'll do it the old way, my apologies.


Post# 282441 , Reply# 5   5/31/2014 at 06:50 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Paperwork...

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... the included paperwork, instruction manual, quick guide and guarantee information, only 1 year.


Post# 282442 , Reply# 6   5/31/2014 at 06:53 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
The cleaner...

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... still in its plastic packaging.


Post# 282443 , Reply# 7   5/31/2014 at 06:55 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Here it is...

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... the cleaner itself...


Post# 282444 , Reply# 8   5/31/2014 at 06:57 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Bottom half..

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.. with 'Carpet Care Control', and also 'Power Edge Cleaning', which is a lie!


Post# 282445 , Reply# 9   5/31/2014 at 06:59 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Underside...

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... the rather clean brushroll, with fairly stiff bristles, but it's a noisy brushroll and definately not as efficient as an Activator.


Post# 282446 , Reply# 10   5/31/2014 at 07:02 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
That's you lot!

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Well, it is for now. I bought this on the 26th, and have used it a few times, but not enough to warrant a full detailed review. I will be reporting back with my review after a week or so, lets just say not as bad as I thought. Hope you enjoyed, well, there isn't really much to enjoy, but do - and I know you will - leave your opinions and questions below, and I will try to answer them as best as I can.


Post# 282453 , Reply# 11   5/31/2014 at 08:25 (3,588 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I have the other one in the Argos book, the Red and white one - its a 2100W - another one destined for the EU scrap heap after September this year, branded a power guzzler.

I do like using it, and despite being made in China, its not too badly made. I will agree about the brushroll noise though, when used on carpet, that area of the machine does vibrate a lot - I think its down to the cheap quality brushroll housings, and no brushroll inner liner. Its about the only decent budget bagged upright left on the market now, with good tools and a long hose, and I hope they come up with a replacement bagged upright when the PurePower is retired. One feature I do like a lot is the soft start motor, which ramps up the power gradually to full speed from switch on. A very successful design, and it was indeed first seen in 1997, but with a 1200W motor - a far more suitable power for a bagged upright. You will notice how much it heats up the room though - its an effective fan heater!


Post# 282454 , Reply# 12   5/31/2014 at 09:10 (3,588 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Nice too see some Bagged machines being reviewed. I would have always thought Hoover would just reduce the motor power in the Purepower, & not o anything else.

Post# 282455 , Reply# 13   5/31/2014 at 09:19 (3,588 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I cant see them doing that - the Purepower is a very old machine now, and well overdue a replacement, to renew people's interests. I think over the next few months we will see the old 1600W+ machines getting sold off, to make way for a new generation of greener cleaners.

Here's another one I saw the other week  - all new and low wattage, from AEG:

 

 

 



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Post# 282457 , Reply# 14   5/31/2014 at 09:26 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Steve...

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I agree with you on that, I don't think they will continue making them, which is sad really, as they looked ahead of their time and they still look modern. I was wondering, do they still do the PRC made Panasonic Bagged Uprights? I know they are not as good as their Spanish ancestors but surely they must be good if they have a similar design.

 

I hope there WILL be more bagged machines after these new EU laws come in, I assume Miele will continue doing cylinder's but we also need more quality bagged uprights.

 

I do like that AEG as well!


Post# 282462 , Reply# 15   5/31/2014 at 10:14 (3,588 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I would assum the old Panny bagged vacs will be on the way out now, as they are over 1600W. There is a replacement for them, The MC-UG522 (below) but its not been popular.

 

The problem with bagged uprights is that only the UK and the US find them popular (possibly South Africa, Australia and NZ too?). As most of Europe is in love with hard floors, they produce very few uprights, let alone bagged uprights. America produces bagged uprights but most US companies like Simplicity and Riccar currently wont export them to the UK. Kirby still send us a bagged upright, but its not exactly affordable to most people, and we get the Oreck bagged upright.

Of the only other "UK" based vacuum companies, Dyson, as you know only produce bagless, and will never make a bagged upright as long as James Dyson has anything to do with it, and Vax, which produce no bagged domestic vacs now either, although TTI, their owners, do produce bagged uprights for the US market, under the Hoover US, Oreck, and Dirt Devil Brands.

If we in the UK want bagged uprights, we will have to spend more on a premium priced SEBO X or Felix, Miele S7 range (which are also over 1600W), A Kirby, Oreck, or a bagged upright commercial type such as a Nilfisk or a Victor, as there is not much left now in the sub £150 budget sector.

Most other cheap bagged uprights like the Electrolux Powerlite Z2255 or its Zanussi copy, will probably be discontinued come September as they are all over 1600W. It remains to be seen if there will be lower wattage replacements, so its a case of wait and see.


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Post# 282463 , Reply# 16   5/31/2014 at 10:26 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
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I hope we will get more BETTER bagged vacuum's after these law's, but as you say, the market for bagged is limited now. It's been too long using bagless for some people, who won't go back to using bagged, so the companies only make the bagged machine's for the few, and not at all in some cases, which is sad in a way, and we know why bagless is more common know don't we???


Post# 282464 , Reply# 17   5/31/2014 at 10:30 (3,588 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, actually I can see Hoover doing that - they won't make much of a new design unless there's loads of other EU countries who favour uprights over cylinders - and the UK seem to be one of very few who prefer the upright design to cylinder. Either that or they will tart up the Hoover Freemotion upright Green Ray version and put a redesigned bag block and door on the back. Heck of a lot cheaper than designing a brand new model from the ground up, don't you think?

Infact I wouldn't be surprised if the whole Dustmanager range was replaced with rebadged versions of the Hoover Freemotion upright - after all, the Dustmanager Evo is such a model based on the Freemotion with a green colour and fancy paint.

Hoover's Purepower upright did have low motors when they were first made, mind, such as 1200 watts (U3120 eg). I had a Lifetime 1300 watt model and it wasn't bad, but very heavy and the lifetime fabric dust bag outlasted the plastics on the Purepower upright, sadly. Mine had the bag LED light that is now a blanking plate on current and past models.

As for that AEG, I would be more interested in the 700 watt version, the AEG UOGREEEN Ultra at £208 and also posted in previous thread www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...


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Post# 282465 , Reply# 18   5/31/2014 at 10:31 (3,588 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

If you do a google pictures search on "bagged upright" there are plenty that come up - but look how many of them are only available in the USA. Most Americans have taste, and still like their bagged uprights. Dyson has not "Assimilated" them into his collective yet!


Post# 282466 , Reply# 19   5/31/2014 at 10:35 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
PurePower

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Despite the negatives that surround the PurePower, I would still like one of the early Autosense PurePowers or the 90th anniversary transparent one.


Post# 282467 , Reply# 20   5/31/2014 at 10:41 (3,588 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Also Electrolux did have a pastel green Powerlite Eco upright in mid 1990s with 800 watts. They could well do the same model again with Zanussi badging.

Post# 282469 , Reply# 21   5/31/2014 at 10:44 (3,588 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I think sebo_fan means the Freedom, rather than the Free Motion, which was a canister model.


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Post# 282471 , Reply# 22   5/31/2014 at 10:50 (3,588 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Sorry, yes you're right, I did mean the Freedom upright. In Germany though, it is called Freerounder.

Post# 282473 , Reply# 23   5/31/2014 at 10:54 (3,588 days old) by rutger (England)        

I got my mum one of these a few months back.

I tried it before taking it to her house & frankly hated it, it seemed creaky & cheap to me (no offence is meant by this it's just what I thought). It seemed to work ok (not great but ok) & I do like the looks, in a sort of retro way it looks cool. Nice to still see a bagged vac too ( I still consider bagless the work of the devil ! lol lol

My mother however loves it & keeps going on about it's power etc etc, so the actual owner is happy.

Enjoy your Hoover.

Dave


Post# 282488 , Reply# 24   5/31/2014 at 11:17 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
Thanks Dave.

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It does definately have a sense of cheapness to it, I don't like the fact you have to put lots of force on the reclining switch, but it is nice to use a bag, espescially with the bag that seals itself when you remove it, trapping in the dirt.


Post# 282491 , Reply# 25   5/31/2014 at 11:38 (3,588 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

If Hoover did put a bag on the freedom where the dust container goes, they would be doing what Eureka does in the USA with the Airspeed Vacs. They colour the dust bin in, so you can't see it, & have a bag that fills at the side. I could see thm doing that.

Does anyone think Vax will bring out bagged machines again?


Post# 282494 , Reply# 26   5/31/2014 at 11:42 (3,588 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The recline pedal is a famous problem area on the Purepower, it always has been, and very often, becuase its so stiff against heavy spring pressure, people dont press it hard enough, and create a clicking sound as they force the cleaner to recline. Over time this wears away the plastic engaging hook, or simply snaps it off, and then the unit wont stand up on its own. The fact that HooverCandy have never altered this in the 17 years that the Purepower has been going , suggests they do it deliberately as a kind of planned obsolescence - ie, they do it deliberately to try to ensure that this part breaks, and the user then dashes out and buys a new Purepower, thus increasing profits for the board of directors.

Deliberately designing in weak points, or failure points in an appliance is very common - it ensures more repeat sales of new machines.

 

On a washing machine, one of the most common failure points, especially in American front loaders, is the drum support spider, which corrodes though and fractures, usually just after the warranty expires, or in the case of UK Hotpoint/Indesit machines, drum bearing failure is the usual method of planned obolescence.


Post# 282497 , Reply# 27   5/31/2014 at 11:45 (3,588 days old) by suctionselector (Leeds, England)        
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The planned obsolesence is just the people in HQ's wanting to make money, without realising that possibly, if people end up buying their product's several times and realising the bad design, they may turn to different manufacturers.

 

However, I doubt this will happen with Hoover, as they have the fact that people still think they make quality products like the older machines, but it's now the opposite of that.


Post# 282498 , Reply# 28   5/31/2014 at 11:47 (3,588 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Good to see someone else knows what other brands are doing where converting from bagless vacs to bagged is concerned, Hi-Lo.

I dont think Vax have properly marketed themselves as a brand who can offer bagged vacuums in the UK. They have produced a handful of cylinder vacs in recent years but they don't get as much presence advertising wise and Vax don't let a lot of their models hang around.

They produced that bagged AND bagless series for Argos Value but they have never released a bagged upright under their own name with that design - pity though as I had one and found it to be quite good.

Even the old VCU02 bagged upright I bought only just a year ago has disappeared from Vax Commercial UK's website and they don't sell them any more.



Post# 282501 , Reply# 29   5/31/2014 at 11:59 (3,588 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Vax see themselves as a direct competitor to Dyson - they have copied enough of his designs. Their aim is to poach potential Dyson customers by producing very similar looking machines, but at a fraction of the price of a Dyson.

The Mach Air and Air3 was a direct competitor to the DC24/25, and the Mach Zen was a very close copy of the DC02, so close that Dyson sued Vax over copyright.




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Post# 282506 , Reply# 30   5/31/2014 at 12:25 (3,588 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Dyson sued Vax over copyright to the DC02, not the DC05.

Post# 286709 , Reply# 31   6/30/2014 at 14:05 (3,558 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

How has the Purepower been, Jacob?

Post# 286729 , Reply# 32   6/30/2014 at 17:06 (3,558 days old) by beerad (Beautiful Vancouver BC)        
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Post# 286733 , Reply# 33   6/30/2014 at 17:48 (3,558 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

They're launching new Eco purepowers. Take a look on the argos website


Post# 286773 , Reply# 34   7/1/2014 at 07:36 (3,557 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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They have, yes, but they are all failing to mention the watts. One can only assume that PU7100010101010010 whatever the heck the number is, means 700 watts??

Actually the real name and number is Hoover Purepower PU71PU01001

I noticed Vax have done this with their Air-3 upright as well - failing to mention the actual motor power. On QVCUK, the motor power is listed as 1000 watts but is this correct? Anyone know?


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