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Post# 280433   5/14/2014 at 02:24 (3,606 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Grabbed the DC02 out of the loft the other night!

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Tool cover and tools off

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All unused and minty fresh!

Cyclone entry seal out

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and hose end off

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Pedals off and the top half is stripped

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Make a start on the bottom half now

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The throbbing heart

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Cord rewind off

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Motor out

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Armature looks ok for now, so didnt clean it up anymore. Machine will get little use anyway

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Yummy

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Front wheels off. No idea how to get the avles out so left them

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Switch apart

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Cyclone next

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Release valves out

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Cyclone split

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Hose end off. One side of the pivot for the release valve is broken, so needs replacing but will have to do for now!

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Floorbrush finally

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All done! The whole lot was washed, dried and polished. The machine is in really good condition, just sadly a bit faded (although seen worse etc). Certainly the best one I've had in my collecting lifetime!

Put it back together last night and here it is ready for a test drive tonight

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Just need to get some filters for it, and have been tempted by a BNIB turbobrush... Will have to wait until payday for that though!


Post# 280448 , Reply# 1   5/14/2014 at 06:05 (3,606 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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Look great, and nice to see the small tools all present and in such good nick. My guess on what happened with the bent end is that it was used regularly by itself to vacuum out a car, hence why it has worn down, and probably dropped a few times on a concrete driveway. They're still easy to find though, and even the generic ones are a close match to the originals.

I always had a soft spot for the DC02, so 90s and very much a product of its time. We sold an awful lot of them back in the day and they were generally well liked by users. Like most Dyson cylinders, the inner cyclone is rather short and the filters do tend to soil more heavily compared to the uprights. As long as they were changed frequently however, we really didn't see many problems with them.

Sure was nice having all the tools stored on board in a proper compartment, rather than awkwardly hanging off the machine or hose. The stair-hugging shape was a genius idea too, and something I wish they would bring back.


Post# 280449 , Reply# 2   5/14/2014 at 06:16 (3,606 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I dont quite know why they get such a bad rep, their powerful and compact! I'd be happy to sell this machine to someone who wanted a daily driver (with thin pile carpet) and trust it to do a good job!

But will keep hold of it for now!

The first time I saw one was an episode of Coupling where it was being used. The nature of the show meant it was portrayed as a high end product, rather than just 'a hoover'

Running mine without filters for now as I cant afford any. Sure it will be ok for a few uses, with no real dust to speak of!


Post# 280453 , Reply# 3   5/14/2014 at 07:12 (3,606 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Looks wonderful! You are always so thorough with your restorations.
I have always had a real fondness for the dc02 and its American counterpart. Out of all the foreign vacuums I have seen I think I want a nice dc02 the most.
Scott


Post# 280455 , Reply# 4   5/14/2014 at 07:43 (3,605 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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Me neither! While it may not be quite as powerful as today's vacuums, it could be said that some modern cleaners are a tad too powerful, particularly if you attempt to use them on maximum speed while vacuuming carpet. Certainly it had adequate suction for the job it was intended, otherwise there would be none still in use. And when you think back to 15 years ago, when these were on sale, they held their own quite nicely against much of what else was available at the time.

If you still have the filters, don't be afraid to gently vacuum them off with a dusting brush and soak them in a warm solution of biological washing powder. Strictly speaking this is verboten, but as long as you don't scrub them or otherwise degrade the filtering material, they will quite safely tide you over in the meantime until a new set is on the cards.


Post# 280461 , Reply# 5   5/14/2014 at 09:56 (3,605 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I would love a Fantom Thunder! (PN DC02) ITs so genius!
The DC02 was a nice vacuum, massive though! I prefer the DC08 and DC05 (my fav Dyson cylinders) and when I first got my DC02, I was surprised that the suction was so good! I thought it only had 90 AW :/ Feels like it has more, like using a Henry (230 AW) but feels like DC07 suction (330 AW)
Anyways, the DC02 floor tool there, (the earliest one you have) it so good, it seals to the floor, has a metal soleplate, its really robust, (I think it is better than the Henry style floor tool!) and the velour strips on them never really do come off
Shame that the banana handles have a snapping problem! :( Otherwise a great machine. TBH I think the DC05 is much more powerful, quieter, a better stair vac, but the Carry handles on the DC01 and DC02 machines are double layered to are very very robust and will never snap in even a commercial environment.


Post# 280483 , Reply# 6   5/14/2014 at 12:08 (3,605 days old) by citroenbx (england)        
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looks fantastic

Post# 280507 , Reply# 7   5/14/2014 at 15:45 (3,605 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Very nice! Grey cyclone shroud too! Is that an early one?

I have an issue though, I think its the cyclone release valves. Can anyone confirm how they go together


Post# 280584 , Reply# 8   5/15/2014 at 11:53 (3,604 days old) by baglessball ()        
Trusty Dc02

My dad uses the same model as pictured in citroenbx's response. I got it off a neighbour, probably 13 years ago as they kept putting the yellow cone upside down in the clear bin.

Stick the filters in the washer. They wash well.

My dad's is used for the cars now really. He recently moved in to rented property and put all his belongings in storage, but took the DC02 with him. He soon took the other vacuum out of storage as he said the DC02 was a bit of a numpty to drag around. I totally agree. The hose on it is old and is kind of stretchy now, probably from being dragged up the stairs. The cord winder is knackered now too, so it's a bit of a fight to keep it extended.

I dislike the floor tool. It glides far too easily, however it does do the job. I also find it hard to switch it between settings, and i have big feet! I much prefer the one that didn't have any adjustment as it had a full length brush behind the suction channel that was in constant contact with the floor. A back breaker on linoleum though!

Keep your threads coming. I love seeing a thorough job! :)


Post# 280627 , Reply# 9   5/15/2014 at 15:23 (3,604 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Your bang on about the floor tool! I've been using mine now its refurbished, and whilst it is OK on the laminate its crap on our rug! Just glides over picking only the lightest stuff up.

Its not the suction or airflow as that's quite good, just the floor tool.

But then again the DC02 for the laminate and a Turbopower for the rugs doesn't sound like a bad combo!

Filters are long gone now. New ones will be purchased at some point!


Post# 280630 , Reply# 10   5/15/2014 at 16:12 (3,604 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

That oldest DC02 floor tool? I find it good, but the best is the DC08 contact head


Post# 280701 , Reply# 11   5/16/2014 at 02:10 (3,604 days old) by citroenbx (england)        
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the rubber goes in first then spring then the plastic things

hope this helps


Post# 280710 , Reply# 12   5/16/2014 at 04:51 (3,604 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Perfect Mr. BX, perfect! I had assembled it correctly, I checked last night and it was the same way round as yours.

Suction from the tools is very good, the upholstry tool sticks to the stair carpet so I think it does work fine, and I'm just spoilt after a few years of 2200w straight suction, or the track marks left behind by turbopowers!

Ran it round last night and I agree with BaglessBall, it's a clunky old shed isnt it! Mine doesnt always hold the cord out too but I think the cord rewind is starting to go, and I'm not replacing that!

Will use it more over the weekend though, Its nice to use something (sightly) retro! Dont think I'll bother getting a turbo brush for it though, cant imagine their very good tbh!


Post# 280720 , Reply# 13   5/16/2014 at 08:41 (3,603 days old) by citroenbx (england)        
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the turbo brush does not work on them I have 4 0f the dc02 grey and purple turbo brushes

Post# 280745 , Reply# 14   5/16/2014 at 13:29 (3,603 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I was going to buy one of manchestervacs bnib ones but using it I imagine it will stop dead as soon as I put it on the carpet!

Post# 280753 , Reply# 15   5/16/2014 at 15:14 (3,603 days old) by citroenbx (england)        
this is what you want

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Post# 280760 , Reply# 16   5/16/2014 at 16:21 (3,603 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Oooh is that a clear cable too? Its nice but I think mines repairable. It stays out if I don't pull it fully out, then a bit goes back in and then it stays!

Post# 280782 , Reply# 17   5/16/2014 at 18:59 (3,603 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

My DC02 came with new ish tools too!
Mien cost £1.20 from eBay in September 2012. I miss it, it was a good vacuum to be honest, but I Prefer the DC01 as it was an upright and a childhood vac


Post# 280824 , Reply# 18   5/17/2014 at 04:27 (3,603 days old) by baglessball ()        
Parrwaz786

How do you like the contact head? I have tried to hard to like it, I hate it!

It works really well in hard floors, but on carpet I feel it's over engineered jumping piece of crap.

Not as bad in open spaces, but to me it feel uncontrollable in tighter spaces.

I don't know how anybody like them. :P


Post# 280825 , Reply# 19   5/17/2014 at 05:36 (3,603 days old) by citroenbx (england)        
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you could put dyson dc08 wand and heads on the dc02

you just need this of a dc08



Post# 280840 , Reply# 20   5/17/2014 at 10:27 (3,602 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

I found the DC08 Contact head very god, well it is good on carpet and hard floors. It seals in all the suction into the carpet and does well. It has 2X red plastic bits underneath which can be opened if the suction is too strong. I have been using mine in thin carpets and honestly its great

Post# 280858 , Reply# 21   5/17/2014 at 15:56 (3,602 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Yea I like the DC08 contact head.

That's a really good idea re the dc08 handle, but I think I'd rather have a DC08 as a daily driver than a DC02. I'd have to put a longer hose on the 08 though!


Post# 280864 , Reply# 22   5/17/2014 at 17:05 (3,602 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

May have just added some filters to an order of bearings I just made...

Post# 280866 , Reply# 23   5/17/2014 at 17:12 (3,602 days old) by citroenbx (england)        
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1995 dc01 1996 dc02

Post# 280867 , Reply# 24   5/17/2014 at 17:14 (3,602 days old) by citroenbx (england)        

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dyson dc02 das

Post# 280868 , Reply# 25   5/17/2014 at 17:16 (3,602 days old) by citroenbx (england)        

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1995 dc01

Post# 280889 , Reply# 26   5/17/2014 at 20:04 (3,602 days old) by titaniciscool (Nampa, ID)        

I do have a question about the DC02. I know the Fantom Lightnings are essentially a rebrand, but I wasn't sure what was different in them. Do they come apart just like the Dyson or are there sneaky bits that could be a little different. I'm assuming that because of the wiring for the Power Nozzle there will be slight differences, I'm just not sure where they would be.

Post# 280924 , Reply# 27   5/18/2014 at 03:21 (3,602 days old) by citroenbx (england)        

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no just the hose and cleaning head

Post# 280951 , Reply# 28   5/18/2014 at 14:16 (3,601 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Actually, there are major differences between the fantom and dyson. For one the Dco2 used the same electrostatic filters before and after the motor, plus the inner cyclone was large and had two entrances. The fantom has a smaller, single entrance inner cyclone that was less efficient and had no pre motor filter other than a screen. All of this was done by fantom to shorten the life of the post hepa filter and require more frequent replacement. The Dc02 in turn has better separation efficiency, better filtration, and better airflow.
Man, I really want a DC02! :)
Scott


Post# 280967 , Reply# 29   5/18/2014 at 16:43 (3,601 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Is that why the DC02 has more suction? and I guess you can import a DC02, maybe a Destijl or a clear one? :D

Post# 280992 , Reply# 30   5/18/2014 at 19:50 (3,601 days old) by titaniciscool (Nampa, ID)        

So are the filters they take similar in any way? Like would a Dyson pre motor filter fit the Lightning?

Post# 281003 , Reply# 31   5/18/2014 at 20:34 (3,601 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
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Are a UNIVERSE apart, The Fantom's a quality machine and the Dyson is not!Tongue out

 

In the early 1980s SC Johnson Wax was licensed the use of Dyson's Dual-Cyclonic technology, and produced a bagless commercial machine called the Vectron. In the Early 1990s, Iona of Canada began to produce this same model as the Fantom Thunder. The Thunder was a beast of a carpet cleaning, very well built bagless vacuum cleaner (Remember, This model was originally designed as a Commercial machine!)

The Thunder was a hit in America, it was the best Bagless on the market (In my opinion, It even beat Dyson!). Despite the Rainbow guy above going on about Fantom being in-efficient, The Thunder was an excellent vacuum. The Handle-Hose was a beloved first for the Vacuum market. Soon the cheaper Fury model was released, being slightly cheaper and less efficient than the Thunder. There was also the rarely-seen Lightning canister, the companion to the Thunder upright. The Cyclone XT (Which had a Stainless-Steel motor pre-filter in the top of the Cyclonic assembly!) appeared in the late 1990s. Dyson approached Fantom (Remeber-Fantom had been licensing Dyson's Dual-Cyclonic technology!) with his "M.E.M.A" Filter (Maximum Efficiency, Maximum Airflow). Dyson wanted Fantom to use these filters on their vacuums. Fantom said NO, As Fantom loved to sell expensive (But worth it for such a great vacuum!) HEPA filters. Dyson then pulled his licensing agreement, sending Fantom to produce cheaper, Single-Cyclone vacuums, The most memorable being the Wildcat. The Wildcat was all-around terrible. It clogged easily and filtered badly. Even worse, Westinghouse produced a CORDLESS Wildcat, Which also did not fair well. These cheap uprights, combined with problematic circuit boards in the Wildcat and Cyclone XT, plus Fantom not honoring warranty claims lead Fantom to bankruptcy in October 2001. The Thunder and Fury models were made to the end, With the Fury also being made in "Special Edition", And even "Special Special Edition" Models. These specials models, along with most Fantoms, Are considered Uncommon to rare by today's standards. After Fantom left the scene, Dyson appeared in America in 2002 with the DC07 models. America (For whatever reason!) took to Dyson the same way it took to the beloved Fantoms. Unfortunately, They did not find the same quality or performance they had with Fantom. Today Dyson is considered the status symbol of many American (And Britanica) homes. People prove their $$$$$ by blowing it on the latest Dyson model, then showing it off to neighbors and friends. Dyson then makes himself rich by charging insane amounts for these plastic status symbols, because people will pay that price. If people bought vacuums over quality instead of bagless status symbols, there would not be a Dyson today. Fantom is STILL the best Bagless Upright Vacuum Cleaner The vacuum market has ever seen.

 

Fantom had a great run, it is a Company I've missed.

 

To answer your question, in no ways will the DC02 Filter fit the Lightning, that's like saying you can fit a Toyota Prius engine into a Ford Falcon (Dyson being the Prius!Tongue out).

Importing a DC02 would be insanity, and why would you go through the troubles of importing when there's better Fantoms sitting in thrift stores and vacuum shops somewhere?WinkWink

 

 


Post# 281015 , Reply# 32   5/18/2014 at 20:59 (3,601 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Alex, you forget that the Johnson wax/Fantom thunder was designed by James Dyson himself.
I really hate to disagree with you because Fantom is one of my all time favorite brands (I have had the VHS tapes over the fantoms since I was very little, and naturally watched them hundreds of times). By any chance have you had the opportunity to use any of the non clutch dc07s? If not then, I agree that the clutch dysons are not the most efficient carpet cleaners (understatement of the century), but the non clutch machines used a traditional round brushroll which I find to work worlds better.
My take is this: The non clutch dc07 has better suction, filtration, tools, ergonomics, runs cooler, has a longer hose, and cleans at least as well as the thunder (at least the two that I own) and better than the fury (again, I LOVE the fury and own several, but this is what I have found in my own home).

The reason I would go through the trouble to import an "inferior" machine is because I would like my own little slice of world-changing vacuum history. I likely wont be able to do it for a long time, but I will try. Like it or not, dyson has permanently changed the vacuum world. That's not to say that I necessarily like it either.
Scott


Post# 281017 , Reply# 33   5/18/2014 at 21:03 (3,601 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
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I've owned the full-kit and regular DC07, Both with clutches. The full-kit's plastic busted everywhere, including the handle release and nozzle suction thingy. The Thunder has NEVER broken a plastic thing to my knowledge, along with whooping the DC07 and a DC14 in a cleaning competition!

 

Be careful with importing, be sure to put it to test against the Fantom Lightning Wink.


Post# 281018 , Reply# 34   5/18/2014 at 21:07 (3,601 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

I imagine there won't be much competition there!Smile The thunder sure was tough as it was originally designed for commercial use.

 

Do you own any amway vacuums by chance? Now THERE is a brute cyclonic vacuum!

Scott


Post# 281021 , Reply# 35   5/18/2014 at 21:13 (3,601 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
Amway,

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Is the other Brute of the Bagless cleaners. I've been looking into buying one, When I do I'll put it up against the Fantom and Dyson! Wink

 

Amway went to license Dyson's Dual-Cyclonic technology in the mid-1980s, only pulled out of the deal and essentially "Stole" the technology when they put the ClearTrak model intro production. Amway and Dyson eventually reached an agreement, and Amway was allowed to continue production. 


Post# 281022 , Reply# 36   5/18/2014 at 21:15 (3,601 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Indeed, you will love it.

Have you read dysons autobiography?

Scott


Post# 281032 , Reply# 37   5/18/2014 at 22:17 (3,601 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

So, theres us on this side of the Atlantic that want to own Riccar and Simplicity machines, and you over there that want Dysons galore, that we get going two a penny one Ebay over here, such as the old DC01 and DC02's.

 

I'd love a swap - you can have Dyson over there and we'll have Riccar and Simplicity over here, and you'd be welcome to Dyson!


Post# 281084 , Reply# 38   5/19/2014 at 14:50 (3,600 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Noooo I want to keep the Dysons :P
Just got a DC04 at the carboot yeterday!


Post# 281097 , Reply# 39   5/19/2014 at 16:24 (3,600 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
trading,

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A Dyson for a Riccar is like trading a Prius for a DeSoto!Cool
 
And no, I haven't read the autobiography, and don't know if I would care too!Tongue out


Post# 281295 , Reply# 40   5/21/2014 at 09:01 (3,598 days old) by titaniciscool (Nampa, ID)        

Would the dirt bin from a DC02 fit the Lightning? That way you can have the better inner cyclone and more airflow....

Post# 281362 , Reply# 41   5/21/2014 at 19:17 (3,598 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        

Sadly no, from the pictures I have seen the bin connection is completely incompatible as the cyclone exit is designed differently.
Believe me, I have wondered about all this before!


Post# 281678 , Reply# 42   5/24/2014 at 15:53 (3,595 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
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Would you even TRY fitting a DYSON part to a FANTOM, or any vacuum for that matter! That poor Lightning would have the most shameful Cyclonic bin in the house!

 

 

The Lightning and Dyson DC02 are two completely diffrent designs. I don't know why you would want to fit a DC02 bin on the Lightning, It's already miles ahead of the DC02, or any Dyson for that matter!Wink 


Post# 284701 , Reply# 43   6/15/2014 at 03:26 (3,574 days old) by dyson89 (Norfolk, UK)        
DC02 motor variations

Thank you Beko 1987 for posting such a comprehensive breakdown of the DC02 have just completed this on my DC02 De Stijl apart from removing the motor and cable. Will shortly take apart the DC02 DAS and DC02 Clear I have too.

Does anyone know how many motor types were used in the DC02, YDK or panasonic etc?
My DC02 Clear needs a new motor but as it's incomplete I may use it as a static display model.


Post# 284705 , Reply# 44   6/15/2014 at 05:33 (3,574 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Dyson DC02's were Ametek and YDK, just like the DC01

Post# 284711 , Reply# 45   6/15/2014 at 06:07 (3,574 days old) by dyson89 (Norfolk, UK)        

Thank you for the info

Post# 285704 , Reply# 46   6/21/2014 at 18:07 (3,567 days old) by dyson89 (Norfolk, UK)        
Dc02 pedal switches

Could someone please explain how to remove the 2 pedal switches on a DC02? For the power and cable reel. Also how do you get the big central button release out of it's bracket for getting the lid off the cyclone basically.

Post# 285709 , Reply# 47   6/21/2014 at 18:21 (3,567 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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Thanks for posting the photos of the restoration!  I love it!  I'm glad to see that newer brands are still repairable too.  smile



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