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Thread Number: 24871
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| Post# 279543 5/6/2014 at 14:40 (3,639 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
Just looking at the SEBO Germany website a stumbled across this new SEBO model. I was quite surprised to see this! Looks very good, wonder if the UK will have this model for the commercial sector?
SEBO have launch the new 300/350/400 Evolution Commercial Upright at the ISSA Interclean in Amsterdam for the first time. Looking at the new vacuum cleaner it looks like an evolution (excuse the pun!) of the other comfort models with the filtration setup of the X Series as the name suggests. It has 3 cleaning widths (30, 36 and 46cm) and manual height and looks like a brush bar on and off switch on the side, 1100 watt motor (to comply with new EU directive as the website says!) and a single motor! Also has a detachable main cord like the D Professional Series model, for tool free quick change. Wonder if this is a hint to a new evolution of the X Series in the future!? Link below: www.sebo.de/en/evolution... | ||
| Post# 279548 , Reply# 1 5/6/2014 at 14:56 (3,639 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 279551 , Reply# 2 5/6/2014 at 15:00 (3,639 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 279554 , Reply# 3 5/6/2014 at 15:05 (3,639 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 279558 , Reply# 4 5/6/2014 at 15:12 (3,639 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Oh don't apologise! No need to at all. Unlike some members I don't get all bolshy when someone brings news to the table - also Jon - are you on Facebook?
It is good to know about SEBO news from others. I like the design SEBO have done here, but it looks like they have played it safe and stuck wisely to the generic design of their commercial uprights. It could well be the blueprint for X series models in the future, with only a few differences. | ||
| Post# 279562 , Reply# 5 5/6/2014 at 15:23 (3,639 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Thanks. I am on Facebook.
It's nice to see a few SEBO Fans on here too. They certainly have played safe in the generic design but if not broken don't fix it as they say! I was thinking that about future X Series models. Whats your thoughts on that orange switch on the side? Is it brush bar on/off or power on/off it's got me guessing. I first though brush roll on/off but now I'm thinking its the power switch!? It's nice to see they have used the X series pre motor filter, as the other commercial models don't use this if I'm correct!? | ||
| Post# 279566 , Reply# 6 5/6/2014 at 15:33 (3,639 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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IM not sure about that orange pedal. It would make sense to have it as a kick-off brush roll stop on/off. We've not been given a view of the back, so it could still be a pedal release.
With regards to the filter the BS36/46 uses the C/K filter cartridge, so it is good to see SEBO finally streamlining cheaper filters with this new Evolution model. | ||
| Post# 279570 , Reply# 7 5/6/2014 at 15:54 (3,639 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Same here, could be either. I thought it was a brush roll on/off switch due to where it was and the writing ON/OFF near the brush roll check light. True no back pictures as yet. Mind you it does say single motor which then made me change my mind!
I did wonder what filters the BS36/46 used, now I know. Yes it is makes sense. Take it the bags are the same as the BS36/46 do you think? | ||
| Post# 279572 , Reply# 8 5/6/2014 at 15:59 (3,639 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 279573 , Reply# 9 5/6/2014 at 16:01 (3,639 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 279575 , Reply# 11 5/6/2014 at 16:05 (3,639 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 279577 , Reply# 12 5/6/2014 at 16:07 (3,639 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK) | ||
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I really hope Sebo update the aged looking X series machines. Nice to see Sebo have launched some new commercial machines. | ||
| Post# 279578 , Reply# 13 5/6/2014 at 16:08 (3,639 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 279581 , Reply# 14 5/6/2014 at 16:17 (3,639 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 279583 , Reply# 15 5/6/2014 at 16:20 (3,639 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I think SEBO will update the X series, or perhaps launch an Evolution X series. Makes sense though that they have chosen to launch a commercial vacuum first due to the last model being the domestic D series before the commercial version appeared.
Don't forget though it could well be an "answer" to the copied Hoover Insight/Profile model. | ||
| Post# 279584 , Reply# 16 5/6/2014 at 16:21 (3,639 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Cable Are they measuring that from the point where it plugs into the cleaner though? If so, you can discount at least a meter for allowing it to be hooked up to handle height. | ||
| Post# 279585 , Reply# 17 5/6/2014 at 16:24 (3,639 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 279589 , Reply# 18 5/6/2014 at 16:33 (3,639 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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I always measure from the first point where the cable is attached rigidly to the cleaner for normal upright use. | ||
| Post# 279592 , Reply# 19 5/6/2014 at 16:47 (3,639 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 279593 , Reply# 20 5/6/2014 at 16:48 (3,639 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I find conventional cords frustrating- because a lot of uprights have cords installed half way down the rear of the vacuum, thus requiring excess to be hooked up - ironic really when you consider that if the cords were attached at the top like SEBO, they would give a far truer measurement from the handle to the plug in terms of distance.
Not many uprights fit flat to the floor as a design point these days, either. That seems to be a design element that has got lost amongst many modern brands. If an upright can go under a bed successfully and maintain floor contact without a bagless round bin getting stuck or a too-high floor head, then it ticks my boxes for "normal upright use." | ||
| Post# 279594 , Reply# 21 5/6/2014 at 16:52 (3,639 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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Presumably you could press the button to change the height with the end of the tube instead of your foot? | ||
| Post# 279597 , Reply# 22 5/6/2014 at 16:55 (3,639 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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I totally agree there with you sebo_fan both the cord and flat to the floor design. That design element has been long forgotten about shame really, as flat to the floor is really useful in an upright. Thats why I love my SEBO Felix for that and don't miss bagless bins getting in the way and being too bulky including the floor head too!
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| Post# 279601 , Reply# 23 5/6/2014 at 17:06 (3,639 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Sadly it was a problem I found with my Panasonic MC-UG522 upright - oh it can clean quite successfully flat to the floor but only if I keep my foot on the floor head due to its hinge and auto floor head adjustment - and that can't be done for successful cleaning all of the time due to the furniture in question and the physical distance between floor head and the top handle.
When I removed the hinge bracket that was preventing the floor head from cleaning flat to the floor, the handle then wouldn't lock up when finished. It's a hard a compromise when brands make handle releases and hinges like that! | ||
| Post# 279606 , Reply# 24 5/6/2014 at 17:29 (3,639 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK) | ||
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Sebo_Fan, That'll be great. I really hope so and I will most definitely love to own one if they do ;)) | ||
| Post# 279608 , Reply# 25 5/6/2014 at 17:40 (3,639 days old) by spiraclean (UK) | ||
Really like the looks of this one, seems they've taken some of the best features of both the Professional G and BS series and combined them into one, with a couple of new twists for good measure. Hopefully this will make it into the UK lineup at some point, because it's exactly what I've been looking for in a Sebo upright.
On thing I'm already wondering though: Sebo currently makes the Professional XP, Professional G, 370/470, BS series and Dart. That's five different styles of commercial upright, and the Evolution would bring that up to six. Could it be one of the existing models is due to be retired soon in order to make way for the new? | ||
| Post# 279609 , Reply# 26 5/6/2014 at 17:48 (3,639 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Could it replace existing models?
It could well do. Based on the fact you can get three different width versions of the floor head, it could effectively replace the BS36/46.
I like the new bin surround though and the fancy bottom filter part - highlights that SEBO can move with the times, even if it is a little step forward. There is a top handle that you can see and sits below the top hose. | ||
| Post# 279647 , Reply# 27 5/7/2014 at 04:28 (3,639 days old) by SeamusUk (Dover Kent UK) | ||
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Been on the phone to Sebo... Hey Guys Spoke to a very helpful lady at Sebo this morning- she knew nothing about them other than a colleague pointing her to the German site already linked. She took my details and is sending me info as soon as they have it :) Seamus | ||
| Post# 279691 , Reply# 28 5/7/2014 at 15:52 (3,638 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Suppose SEBO UK don't know anything about the new Evolution yet as it's just been launched.
Be interesting to see if and when they do retire any old models as both the BS and 370/470 models had new improved cleaner heads didn't they about 2 years ago!? The Evolution does look like a combination of the best parts from the current models with some new features. I think or my guess is that on/off orange switch next to the brush check light is a brush bar on/off switch. The main power switch looks like it could be located at the back of the handle just below the top cable hook/tidy!? As it's a single motor vacuum if it does have a brush bar on/off switch suppose a clutch setup would be used would you say? Do like the overall look of the new Evolution great features too. Does the EU directive apply to commercial vacuums I thought I read somewhere commercial vacuums would be different to domestic? SEBO mentions it complies with the new EU directive at 1100 watts. Which it does for this year. | ||
| Post# 279692 , Reply# 29 5/7/2014 at 15:52 (3,638 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Suppose SEBO UK don't know anything about the new Evolution yet as it's just been launched.
Be interesting to see if and when they do retire any old models as both the BS and 370/470 models had new improved cleaner heads didn't they about 2 years ago!? The Evolution does look like a combination of the best parts from the current models with some new features. I think or my guess is that on/off orange switch next to the brush check light is a brush bar on/off switch. The main power switch looks like it could be located at the back of the handle just below the top cable hook/tidy!? As it's a single motor vacuum if it does have a brush bar on/off switch suppose a clutch setup would be used would you say? Do like the overall look of the new Evolution great features too. Does the EU directive apply to commercial vacuums I thought I read somewhere commercial vacuums would be different to domestic? SEBO mentions it complies with the new EU directive at 1100 watts. Which it does for this year. | ||
| Post# 279737 , Reply# 30 5/8/2014 at 03:25 (3,638 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 279743 , Reply# 31 5/8/2014 at 06:30 (3,638 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 279754 , Reply# 32 5/8/2014 at 11:11 (3,638 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 279756 , Reply# 33 5/8/2014 at 12:28 (3,638 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 279931 , Reply# 34 5/9/2014 at 20:50 (3,636 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The more I think about it, the more I think that SEBO could easily change the Evolution 300 into another upright vacuum to sit alongside the SEBO X range. A domestic model with variable suction control dial would be perfect I think. Also there doesn't appear to be a motor filter like the older models on the front hood.
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| Post# 279977 , Reply# 35 5/10/2014 at 08:11 (3,636 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Great idea and thinking......
SEBO could quite easily do that good thinking there. They could scale down the X series range as well to run along side a newer domestic version of the Evolution. That would be a nice idea if they did do a domestic version of the Evolution! I still think that side on/off switch is for turning the brush bar off with your foot! Time will tell. I was wondering that too. If you take a look on the website of the picture with the bag in the bag housing underneath the bag looks like a cartridge you can remove! Could that be the post motor filter? Being the outlet holes are on the other side? But then again if it's a single motor and the air leaves the bag via the side filter down into the hood, like you say no vents on the hood. Does the air flow go back up and out via the front vent? If you look at the picture of the side view, where it shows the cable connection the air ducts on that side look bigger than the X series! Could this allow for 3 airways? Just a thought...more like a wild silly guest lol! It's got us all thinking that's for sure!
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| Post# 280014 , Reply# 37 5/10/2014 at 12:21 (3,636 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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SEBO sadly don't have the money to add in thoughtless changes.
The X sensor should continue for the domestic market - that was after all, why it was designed whilst the manual adjuster was used for commercial markets. The new Evolution could effectively take the space of the old G1/G2 in the UK. SEBO could effectively offer two models - the original sensor X model as you suggest whilst the Evolution 300 with brush roll on/off and manual height adjustment. I'd like to see the Evolution's front have a far bigger space going from the bottom right to the top to accommodate more tools. With the clips added, it would easily be able to accommodate quite a few of additional optional cleaning tools, including the extension hose at the front. SEBO have been looking at flexible hoses that compact inside each other similar to Dyson or Vax, but not with a clear material. I think you are right though Jon, regarding the motor exhaust - it looks like it has been put at the bottom as opposed to on the hood. SEBO have evidently retained their traditional way of airflow where this design is concerned, though it isn't such a far fetched idea to suggest a possible side vent at one side of the floor head may also be added. | ||
| Post# 280031 , Reply# 39 5/10/2014 at 14:58 (3,635 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The original 360 was renamed BS36 when SEBO became distributed worldwide. Here's a timeline I've kept myself:
SEBO TIME LINE DATES 1978 SEBO 350 1979 Windsor Industries signs deal with SEBO to supply commercial market in the U.S 1981 SEBO products are sold worldwide, also as private label products. 1983 SEBO distribution founded in Austria, UK, South Africa and France. 1984 SEBO Duo P carpet machine and electrostatic micro filtration introduced. 1986 SEBO 360 introduced with electronic brush control/sensor. 1991 SEBO X1 Automatic & BS36/46 1993 SEBO X2, X3 "big foot" versions of X1 launched 1995 SEBO C cylinder vacuum introduced, distribution extended to Australia & Korea. 1997 SEBO 370 launched, C1, C1.1, C2, C2.1 and C3 range extended with ET-H PN head. 1999 SEBO distribution and SEBO Foundation in U.S 1999 X1 relaunched as X1.1 and X4 Extra, X5. 2002 SEBO Professional G series G1/G2/G3 and K1 Airbelt & K3 domestic model launched. 2005 SEBO Dart and domestic Felix launched 2006/7 SEBO K3 Vulcano launched 2008 Pet versions of SEBO Felix and K1 launched. 2009 SEBO X4 Pet launched and UK market exclusive K1 Cappuccino "Eco" 1500 watt. 2010 SEBO D series, D1, D2, D3 and D4 Premium with ET-1 launched 2010 SEBO Felix additional colours launched: Crystal limited edition, Rosso and Vogue 2010 SEBO Dart UHS Polisher hard floor head & Domestic "Disco" version. 2011 SEBO D7/8 Professional commercial cylinder vacuum and Felix charcoal motor filter launched. 2011 SEBO Synthetic ultra dust bags for K1 and Felix becomes available 2012 SEBO D7/8 worldwide distribution begins. Felix Vogue arrives in UK and new synthetic dust bags for Felix also launched. 2012 SEBO Felix UK market Royale launched, X4 Excel for John Lewis launched, other countries with other flags on Felix range. 2012 SEBO 360/ BS36/46 redesign., SEBO K1 & X4 Pro also launched for Euronics. 2013 SEBO D2 Eco with 1600 watts launched and Eco floor head. 2014 SEBO genuine synthetic dust bags for X series launched. 2014 SEBO K1 Eco 700 Comfort, Plus models launched with 700 watts and Eco floor heads. 2014 SEBO Evolution 300 commercial upright vacuum cleaner | ||
| Post# 280032 , Reply# 40 5/10/2014 at 15:01 (3,635 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The main problem with the X series has always been its liability to fall over due to the preference of installing the top wand and top hose from the commercial uprights.
Other markets have complained about the lack of a headlight on the floor head. The X series however has never been criticised for the lack of a brush roll stop function - this has only been recent or in recent years with the Miele S7 launch when it first came to market and the X series was seen as a natural competitor. Thus, in turn everything that the S7 sported has continued to be compared with SEBO's older X series. | ||
| Post# 280036 , Reply# 42 5/10/2014 at 15:34 (3,635 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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One must remember though that SEBO are first and foremost a commercial vacuum company. They have little interest in fitting lights to their models; reliability and durability is part of their company mantra.
When SEBO brought out the X1 Automatic, they tested the delicate brush roller and claimed that it could be used on hard floors. Back then there really wasn't much of a need for an upright vacuum to clean hard floors and SEBO being a small private company kept things simple. Their core commercial market has never demanded for an upright vacuum to clean hard floors. Again, one has to remember SEBO are more interested in their commercial market as that is where their core products exist compared to their domestic ranges. I know there is a divide of opinion here where cleaning hard floors is concerned with the SEBO X. Current models can clean hard floors easily, whilst some owners find that the uprights aren't suitable. Others find that the brush roll doesn't go deep enough into the carpets because of the auto sensor - but these requirements are pretty recent in my opinion and for those after something different in the SEBO line up, the commercial uprights can often be found in domestic homes before the Dart/Felix came out that answer the pick up criticisms of the sensor models. Other countries still benefit from the G1/G2 series and other manual adjuster X models. The UK however has a far simpler range, albeit could do with a manual G1/G2 again in my opinion. SEBO have often offered the extension hose tagged onto the existing one of the X series, purchasing the straight tube and using the wall floor brush as an alternative to hard floor cleaning. I've done it myself - it isn't easy but then there aren't many uprights on the UK market that offer additional cleaning tools like that, that give you that added "extra," even if it means coping with the bulky hose, straight tube etc and having to store it all away at the end. The wall/floor brush as it is known here in the UK is known as a Parquet floor tool for the X series in other countries. It is a friction fit tool that would probably suffice for your needs. It isn't an easy solution though - but again to reiterate - one has to remember the market that SEBO produced the X series for ORIGINALLY. The Miele S7 is completely domestic - it was never designed for the commercial market. | ||
| Post# 280041 , Reply# 44 5/10/2014 at 15:53 (3,635 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 280045 , Reply# 45 5/10/2014 at 16:12 (3,635 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 280065 , Reply# 47 5/10/2014 at 19:47 (3,635 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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It was just a guess sebo_fan studying the pictures! Liking your SEBO timeline considering they are a small family run business they sure have achieved slot in such a small space in time. Delivering worth while thought out products and not just knocking a new one out every 5 minutes!
Although I don't own an X series yet I loved the whole design and setup of it. It's what IMO is what a domestic vacuum should be. Simple setup, easy to use and maintain, durable and reliable and no complicate setup. Which the X series is. Yes I would love to see a brush bar on/off switch and variable power but that's all I'd change on it. The hose and wand setup is just different to other vacuums and requires the user to use it in a different way. People are just used to using onboard hoses from the back of an upright but then there not that user friendly and stable. Least the SEBO X hose and wand is easy to use. | ||
| Post# 280100 , Reply# 48 5/11/2014 at 06:42 (3,635 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, it is stable to a point Jon. The top release allows the upright to fall over straight away when pulled which new owners don't realise. They're likely to moan about that rather than realise the easiness of the grab and go type feature that a top wand release design lends.
The hose on board stretches out to 3 metres but it isn't a flexible type hose that modern uprights like Dyson or Vax's compacting acrylic styles have. I find I have to keep one hand on the top of the hose and my other hand using the end of the hose with either choice of cleaning tool. Half the time I don't require the tools attached if I am doing a quick clean up of dust. The built in hose is fine for most work, though I tend to take out the extension hose, which can't be stored on the machine - this is another aspect that more modern vacuums have, usually. Steve mentions weight increase - SEBO's hose isn't that heavy and doesn't add that much considerable weight to the SEBO X design. Mostly all SEBO tools have been designed to be lightweight. Most X4's sold in John Lewis stores for example normally have the hose tagged or tied around the front of the upright as the X4 is normally shown as a floor demo model. The increase of weight is barely noticeable - more noticeable is the difference of weight when a full bag is on board compared to an empty one IMHO. | ||
| Post# 280101 , Reply# 49 5/11/2014 at 06:47 (3,635 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Interestingly Steve, the cord on my K3 Premium has now become loose. Power flow is intermittent if all of the cable is taken out and power is ok with only a small amount of cord left in the machine. This is one issue I had with my previous K1 Komfort several years ago (1800 watt model, mk1 light blue design) and turfed it as back then other things had become to work loose, though the original model did last around 8 years.
I know how to repair it, but I'll be sending it back to SEBO UK for cord replacement. They have a new improved cord holder structure that prevents the cord from working loose. | ||
| Post# 280111 , Reply# 50 5/11/2014 at 09:15 (3,635 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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True and if new users don't realise the true grab and go hose and wand then they will get caught out! Although SEBO hoses are not as flexible as other brands with Dyson, Vax and Miele for example I quite like and have got use to the style of flexibility SEBO uses on its hoses onboard and extension ones. They don't feel springy like others for example Dyson but of cause don't stretch as far because of that. Suppose that's the commercial element of SEBO so the hoses are more hard wearing than other brands. There is always room for improvement to try and stop or reduce the topple over some users experience.
Suppose they could add extra length to the standard on board hose. I can tell from my Felix they have added length to the on board hose with the extra loop over at the top that it higher than on mine on the current Felix range. Like you say the tools are not heavy so the extension hose could be added to fit onboard! That is very true will agree with you there a vacuum with a full bag certainly adds weight! | ||
| Post# 280134 , Reply# 51 5/11/2014 at 13:05 (3,634 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK) | ||
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The G1...... Hi Guys As on my other thread I have just acquired one of these- well in all but name ;) Can't wait to compare it with the Stealth version...... Seamus CLICK HERE TO GO TO SeamusUK's LINK on eBay 
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| Post# 280164 , Reply# 52 5/11/2014 at 16:39 (3,634 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 280471 , Reply# 53 5/14/2014 at 11:24 (3,632 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 280487 , Reply# 54 5/14/2014 at 12:21 (3,632 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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