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Post# 272542 , Reply# 2   3/19/2014 at 14:23 (3,682 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Post# 272545 , Reply# 3   3/19/2014 at 14:49 (3,682 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Indeed it is Josh - its a possibility, but bear in mind that its the most pricey option at well over £300, and its size and bulk isn't for everyone. |
Post# 272547 , Reply# 4   3/19/2014 at 15:42 (3,682 days old) by hoovervirgin ()   |   | |
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Thank you so much for taking the time to reply!. I have looked at the S7 but looking at the reviews am worried about the weight. I'm only 5ft 2 and a button. Is this likely to be an issue? Thanks again |
Post# 272549 , Reply# 6   3/19/2014 at 16:04 (3,682 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Hi Harry im in Dunoon if that helps. You're more than welcome to visit and try. I used to own a Miele S7210 in yellow - the plastics show up scrapes badly, more than SEBO and the brush rolls aren't removable for cleaning like the SEBO X or Felix.
Though the Miele has everything on board, it requires to be manually pedalled over rugs if you have them on the floor. Cost wise to run, Miele is far more expensive than SEBO. The only way I got past this was to keep the bags in the vacuum cleaner until they were bursting with dirt to justify the "box for a year," of which you only get 4 in a box. The yearly HEPA cartridge is also expensive to buy, especially if you have pets as the charcoal within the HEPA filter reacts more to pongy pet hair as it sits in the bag. Miele's S7 main hose is also stitched in by two screws, whereas everything on the SEBO vacs just unclips from locking mechanisms, or pull out. BTW I have a Miele S8340 Ecoline, SEBO K1P, SEBO D2 Total, SEBO X and SEBO Felix. All of these vacs are great for the size of home I'm in and the D2 Total is my favourite as it has the longest cord to get around with. The SEBO X effectively halves its weight when pushing the vacuum across a floor due to its electronic sensor. I have never damaged lino when cleaning with my X machines and I also use my X for cleaning marble hard floor. The SEBO Felix has a 3.5 litre dust bag and you get more bags for your money compared to Miele. SEBO's Felix also has a height adjustable handle which could help you for your height. The X has a fixed handle but because of its auto sensor head, glides over carpets and only a pinch of the fingers will be required to guide the handle. Whatever you decide, the S7 is a bulky upright - it was made for the U.S in mind and though it is years ahead of SEBO in terms of design, it may be too big for you to handle. I also have a bagless Hoover Slalom that has a similar size to the S7. |
Post# 272551 , Reply# 7   3/19/2014 at 16:07 (3,682 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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It all depends on whether the lino is stuck down all over as to whether it will get scuffed by the X series brushroll. If its not glued down, it gets sucked up to the nozzle and the brushes can scorch it. |
Post# 272552 , Reply# 8   3/19/2014 at 17:09 (3,682 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO)   |   | |
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What about a Henry? I haven't used one since they're hard to come by in the US, but I've never heard anything bad about them. |
Post# 272565 , Reply# 9   3/19/2014 at 19:08 (3,682 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 272571 , Reply# 11   3/19/2014 at 20:07 (3,682 days old) by SUPER-SWEEPER (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 272575 , Reply# 13   3/19/2014 at 20:51 (3,682 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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There are uprights on the market that have beater bar tufts in the brush rolls. Unless every member of the public would take time to read this forum and its associated posts, they're unlikely to, in the same way they would ignore that filter on board that needs cleaning or a clogged tube. |
Post# 272581 , Reply# 15   3/19/2014 at 21:19 (3,682 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The other downside to the Felix is the small dust bag capacity.
In the home that Harry has stated quite clearly what he has to live in, one bag in the Felix may not last the statistical 2 to 3 months. Particularly with so many rooms to clean up with. Even if you get 7 bags in a box, it may well be a rather costlier option than the bigger bagged D2 series or the X series.
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Post# 272604 , Reply# 16   3/19/2014 at 22:54 (3,682 days old) by SUPER-SWEEPER (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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People too lazy to pick up coins and rocks off the floor or go get attachments form the closet. First you would do floors, then set the cleaner up to do above-the-floor cleaning. Now it's just "rush to barely vacuum the floor and care less about the junk stuck in a crevice or dust in the curtains because I have better things to do in life", That is if modern people could be bother to vacuum at all! But any thread is fun when you throw a HOOVER in it!
While I'd love to contribute to the original intentions of this thread, I cannot speak for market choices available "Across the pond", I'll let you two carry on to hopefully sell said client on a X__________! |
Post# 272605 , Reply# 17   3/19/2014 at 23:02 (3,682 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well, life isn't as slow as it was "back then." Most people have busy lives, cue the Robotic Roomba vacs etc!
As I have commented in other threads - the MASSIVE problem with using a Convertible/Senior/Junior is just what do you do when the zip eventually breaks on the soft bag? It was a problem I faced after owning quite a few vintage classics by Hoover for many years and then suddenly realising what would happen if the bag was to suffer a crack or a tear as well as a broken zip. I've had many Hoover Juniors where eventually the zips tear away from the outer bags.
Original soft bags for UK market Hoover vintages are hard enough to find, let alone the aftermarket ones that exist that pull the style away from the vacuum.
Oh its all very well bringing a Hoover model into the equation - but when something as easy as a zip breaks on opening the soft bag up, "we collectors" may well be gentle and slow, but not average Joe.
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Post# 272607 , Reply# 18   3/19/2014 at 23:07 (3,682 days old) by SUPER-SWEEPER (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 272629 , Reply# 19   3/20/2014 at 04:56 (3,681 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Sorry but Im not going to go down this route with members, trying to convince you otherwise. To start with I don't intend to be here in the next 40 years. 35 maybe if I am lucky.
However the SEBO X still sells - the Hoover Senior/Convertible is no longer a current brand new market production model. Thus there are parts still available for the X and it is designed specifically to be repaired by the owner. The X can also pick up stones and coins
Even now Hoover's Turbopower 2 and 3 series appear to have a lack of replacement brush rolls on the market. I think that's a real pity for any collector who wants to give their cherished collected vacs a few more years of longevity.
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Post# 272638 , Reply# 23   3/20/2014 at 08:11 (3,681 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I will ask you not to point out my Avatar as a way of trying to get your responses closer to make an impact.
Harry - Roger's video is excellent but it is rather long at 38 minutes. Mine lasts for 10 mins.
I've also done one on the SEBO D2 with the K1 Pet combo video. On the basis that Harry has asked for a telescopic tube, which the Felix does not have, this is why I have suggested the D2.
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Post# 272641 , Reply# 25   3/20/2014 at 09:05 (3,681 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Here is the link to Roger's Sebo D2 Total review: CLICK HERE TO GO TO madabouthoovers's LINK |
Post# 272642 , Reply# 26   3/20/2014 at 09:14 (3,681 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Good luck getting Freenet to deliver for free to Scotland though - there's a surcharge of £15 in some parts. See screenshot photo provided.
Best thing to do is to visit John Lewis in Glasgow, Aberdeen or Edinburgh - phone them up in advance Harry if you want to try a SEBO D2 as they sell them online and can get one in store for you. As you may know the beauty of John Lewis is that you can try out any vacuum cleaner their stores. They also sell a wide range of things for the SEBO vacs as well as Miele.
Also try Euronics stores - do a Google search. Unlike Steve, I'm not a PA. |
Post# 272644 , Reply# 28   3/20/2014 at 09:33 (3,681 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 272648 , Reply# 30   3/20/2014 at 10:22 (3,681 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Of course, there is the other alternative such as the Numatic Henry bagged vacuum - this is like the SEBO D2 on bag capacity but you would have to spend extra on the turbo brush and some members on here feel that the AiroHead alone isn't that great on carpets - however the Numatic is cheap to buy, is durable and cheap to run.
The other aspect is that it is a far older unit and lacks the creature comforts of either the Miele or SEBO - so you don't get an auto cord rewind but a hand roller to roll up the long cable, which is nearly twice as much as you would with Miele, or on a par with the SEBO D.
The Henry has a Hi and Lo suction switch but it also lacks telescopic tubes but they are long fixed suction tubes with a bend at the top that can be swapped around. No bag indicator is on the machine and dependent on the year, storing smaller cleaning tools is an issue, unless the vacuum has a slot on the rear to clip one or two tools on.
My home has three to four bedrooms and I live in a bungalow - however I have a lot of space and carpet to clean.
I have owned Henry before too - he's a good one for large homes and for those on a budget - but a lot of compromises have to be made in lieu of what you would get with the SEBO range and Miele
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Post# 272660 , Reply# 31   3/20/2014 at 12:02 (3,681 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 272664 , Reply# 32   3/20/2014 at 12:16 (3,681 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 272687 , Reply# 33   3/20/2014 at 15:00 (3,681 days old) by hoovervirgin ()   |   | |
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Wow again thank you! So much to take in and go through. One last question as i am torn between the Felix Pet and the D2 Total. Should i take into consideration the Dart 1, 2 or 4 and the professional D?? Regards. |
Post# 272698 , Reply# 35   3/20/2014 at 15:36 (3,681 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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I have a SEBO Felix and love it while it doesn't have a wand it is very versatile. Don't let the small 3.5 litre bag put you off. As I have a pet I have to vacuum most days or every other day to remove pet hair. The paper bags used to last on average 3 months. The new synthetic ones that I have just used one of lasted 5 months. The dust and dirt seems to compress more so they last longer with no noticeable drop in performance.
I've attached a pic of my first full synthetic bag do love them over the paper ones. The D Series uses the same synthetic bag material so 6 litres should last a while, that would last me nearly 10 months or so going by how long my Felix bag lasts. Depends on your usage though. SEBOs are cheap to run like others have said well built to and perform easy to use and maintain which I love. Like the others suggest go try both out see how you get on with them, John Lewis is a good place to try them both out. |
Post# 272699 , Reply# 36   3/20/2014 at 15:49 (3,681 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Also the Dart commercial models come with no height adjustment handles and NO brush roll button off on the ET-1 floor heads - even the larger floor head doesn't come with a brush roll on/off button.
The Dart 4 has a variable suction control on the handle, still no height adjustment handle and the Kombi suction only floor tool. ALSO the hose on the Felix stops the brush roll immediately as a safety precaution if it is taken out by mistake when used as an upright cleaning carpets - the DART doesn't have this added feature, though the brush roll will stop when the vacuum is put back into the upright position. The Felix also has a 9.5 metre cable whereas the D2 Total has 12 metres, so you're getting more reach from an albeit bigger vacuum cleaner that you pull around PLUS a 2.1 metre stretch hose. |
Post# 272701 , Reply# 38   3/20/2014 at 16:06 (3,681 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Sorry I disagree, but then I own the Felix and D2 Total and I've cleared up after dogs.
Put simply, the filter system in the D series is far better than the one used in the Felix and Thats with the Charcoal filter fitted on the Felix, too. The main downside to the Felix is that it will run hot if max'd all the way due to the main exhaust filter vents being located at the front of the vacuum which then fills the material cover with hot air. The charcoal filter will only filter out most pet hair odour as it sits rotting in the bag, but the smell soon starts to come through the main filter exhaust, signalling a replacement filter. I find the charcoal filter can only last a box of bags before replacement is required; clearing up after two old labradors, the smell of the pet hair also gets into the hose like any vacuum - and due to the kinked handle on the Felix, the hose can be tricky to clean out fully - SEBO's D series (and K1 up to the Pet models) hose can be taken off directly from the handle for cleaning through. I also find that the newer filter system in the D series is more absorbing and the machine doesn't run that hot even when used with a middle suction setting. It may have a bigger bag on board but the filters fitted as standard on the D series are far more modern and built to cope. But, if you don't have pets, you should try both the Felix and D2. |
Post# 272709 , Reply# 39   3/20/2014 at 16:41 (3,681 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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I personally Think the sebo d4 It's a fantastic vacuum for a big Home It's got the same powerhead as the sebo Felix .It's just like As a d2 But has a hand control and a powerhead It is probably better than the Felix It's got all the bells and whistles And it's got a five year parts and labour But that's my opinion everyone's got their opinions :)
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Post# 272710 , Reply# 40   3/20/2014 at 16:41 (3,681 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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I can see where your coming from but for me not necessarily I get more in the new synthetic bags so they are in the machine longer than the paper ones. The second one I've put in has one of them SEBO fresheners that I like so that masks any smell I normally get. To be honest I don't overly notice the pet hair smell only slightly even with the standard filter flitted. I don't run it on full power either. Then again suppose it depends on type of pet/dog and if the hair/skin is more oily which properly gives off more of a scent!
When I switch to the Miele which I fitted a charcoal filter not longer after as I could smell pet hair I don't now only when I first switch it on I get a blast of dog smell then it goes. Again I let the 6 litre bag fill to the top. |
Post# 272717 , Reply# 41   3/20/2014 at 16:50 (3,681 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 272719 , Reply# 42   3/20/2014 at 16:53 (3,681 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 272726 , Reply# 44   3/20/2014 at 17:12 (3,681 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Harry - I have a K3 Premium - its white - it doesn't discolour and it actually hides the scratches pretty well! Wish they were all white infact! My Felix is also the Navy model but has a cream outer body - it has hidden its age well.
IF John Lewis in Glasgow can't stock the D2 Total in for you, try getting them to get the first model in, the D2 Storm (its red) - you can buy the mini turbo brush head in the store to match the D2 Total spec, but you may have to get the main turbo brush floor head online. The Glasgow store is notorious for putting out ex-demo machines on the shop floor too (though they would get you in a new D model since they sell them online) so just be careful of that as you may end up buying a SEBO X4 Excel instead lol Its my local store, so I go there all the time. |
Post# 272730 , Reply# 45   3/20/2014 at 17:25 (3,681 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Post# 272735 , Reply# 46   3/20/2014 at 18:00 (3,681 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 272736 , Reply# 47   3/20/2014 at 18:05 (3,681 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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1300 watt motor for the Felix, 175 watts for the PN head.
As for the D4, the UK reviews that exist on it in written form do show average buyers compared to Roger and others (RichardLee also on You Tube) who are collectors and have done video reviews on it. The D4 reiterates my personal feeling for it - I don't like it - yes, it has that Felix ET-1 power head which is great but the hose becomes more difficult to manage as time goes on because of the embedded cord running through it and doesn't always turn at the top behind the handle despite it having a restricted swivel. The suction only models are far more flexible and lighter to pull along with the machine behind not to mention the light weight main floor tools on the front. I had the same issue with my K3 Premium, which uses a shorter hose, but still the same problem happens. Even after SEBO sent out a new and improved hose, the hose still feels heavier because of the embedded cord and it doesn't always turn the way I want my hand to go when holding onto the handle. Its all very well having an electronic suction control handle on the SEBO cylinders, and some members like models such as the K3 Vulcano that offers that alone - but without the power nozzle floor head I find the whole concept just as useless - dont get me wrong - I loved it when I first got it, but after a while the hose really got on my nerves. The old excuse that "you don't have to bend down to change the suction setting," gets forgotten easily when you still have to bend down to pull the cord for cord rewind or take a tool. |
Post# 272740 , Reply# 48   3/20/2014 at 18:30 (3,681 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 272827 , Reply# 49   3/21/2014 at 07:30 (3,680 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 272857 , Reply# 50   3/21/2014 at 11:41 (3,680 days old) by hoovervirgin ()   |   | |
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this has the turbo head. Shall i just bite the bullet? CLICK HERE TO GO TO hoovervirgin's LINK |
Post# 272888 , Reply# 51   3/21/2014 at 15:36 (3,680 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Up to you - but I seriously have second thoughts about it - the embedded cord in the D4 is heavier and not as light and easy to use as the D2. Plus that price of £340 is really too high. Also the supplier company on Amazon list the company in Germany - the machine might be supplied with a German plug, not UK plug - best to contact them if you're really that interested.
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Post# 272898 , Reply# 53   3/21/2014 at 17:35 (3,680 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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No. The D4 means you get the electric hose which has push button suction controls on the handle.
You can't just use a UK plug on a vac fitted with the German plug - the voltage might be different. Its a bit of an effort to go to if you intend to sell the vacuum later on. The cheapest D2 Total on Amazon UK is £249 CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK |
Post# 272899 , Reply# 54   3/21/2014 at 17:52 (3,680 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Post# 272903 , Reply# 55   3/21/2014 at 18:29 (3,680 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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See, the reason why I'm not that keen on the D4 for Harry is because of his height. My aunt is 5ft 7, she's not that elderly and she struggled to use my K3 Premium with the older ET-H floor head as well as the electric hose.
The D4 hose is heavier from behind with the metal tubes from the front and whatever floor head is used, though at least the air driven turbo brush is far lighter than the 2.4kg ET-1 floor head. You can keep saying how good the D4 is "10 times better," but he did say he was going to buy a Miele S8 model, which is why I've recommended the D2 model. |
Post# 272922 , Reply# 56   3/21/2014 at 20:36 (3,680 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Post# 272927 , Reply# 57   3/21/2014 at 21:11 (3,680 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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I quite like the variable suction control on the S7 too Ryan especially the suggested settings labelled around it. Me too wish they did a smaller lighter slimmer upright. They do 2 cylinder version small and large! I can see what you mean but it's still money in Miele pocket just not on a cylinder but on an upright if they offered a smaller version.
I think they are missing a trick as some people who prefer uprights but find the S7 bulky and heavy might not like the idea of a cylinder so go else where. Miele do offer a wide range in all there other appliances so why they don't do a broader range in their vacuum line. Suppose most of their markets prefer cylinders and the S7 was their fully own designed upright. I not that keen on cylinders generally in terms of using one to clean with. |
Post# 272929 , Reply# 58   3/21/2014 at 21:28 (3,680 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I like Miele's cylinder vacs but the older ones are better - so much more durable. The best one I ever had was the S571 then fell for the charms of the S4210 which was much lighter by weight. But still the old S300, S500 and S700 are better built but very heavy.
I also have the Alternative stick vac but it's not so good at carpet pick up, even with a turbo brush tagged on. Miele know they can do a small upright - but they just won't do it. They may do it if other brands return to making bagged vacuums again in Europe. |