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Thread Number: 24262
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| Post# 271643 , Reply# 3 3/13/2014 at 10:27 (3,690 days old) by dustin (Jackson, MI) | ||
I can recommend you look into a Hoover Floormate for cleaning/scrubbing hard floors. I have one and it is wonderful, cleans far better than a mop and bucket. They can be had for about $150, less if you don't mind used. You are supposed to use *only* Hoover's cleaning solution, but I have had mine several years and just use regular all purpose cleaner, no problems at all.
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| Post# 271759 , Reply# 5 3/14/2014 at 00:30 (3,690 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS) | ||
I'd say either upgrade your central hose and power nozzle like stated above or go for a canister because they are more versitle, however I would reconsider a water vac. Now I love water vacs and think they do a great job but a house that big I can see a water vac being a real hassle. I would say a tristar would be a good choice as they are very simple and are a great cleaner.
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| Post# 271790 , Reply# 8 3/14/2014 at 07:45 (3,690 days old) by Dori () | ||
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Jade Angel, I missed your suggestion. I will research Tri-Star. Never heard of it. Thanks. | ||
| Post# 271810 , Reply# 9 3/14/2014 at 10:12 (3,689 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
When replacing that hose
You will want to look into a crushproof plastic hose for maximum airflow the material the hose is made out of can dramatically effect how well a central system works. If you can find one look for a 1 3/8" hose as that extra 1/8 of an inch supposedly can increase airflow by about 25% from a 1 1/4 hose.
Lindhaus nozzles have not been mentioned yet, they would also be a great option they are one of the best cleaning nozzles out there, they also have more height adjustments than most if not any nozzle out there. Water filtration vacuums are alright, but they can be a lot of work to maintain you have to fill the pan before each use empty it out when finished, clean off the seperator and be sure not to store the pan on the machine. Their separators also seem to fight against the motor resulting in so so airflow. Tri-Star styled machines are pretty great. They are simple yet powerful. Some of their machines such as the MG1 and MG2 should probably be avoided, the motors used in those models delivers poor airflow. I would suggest a Patriot which is somewhat similar to the tri-stars but better, or the CXL/DXL works too. | ||
| Post# 271852 , Reply# 13 3/14/2014 at 15:19 (3,689 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Personally, if it was me I wouldn't bother with the D4 - I'd get the SEBO FELIX. Its an upright with the same ET1 floor head and has a button to stop the brush roll. It also comes with a deluxe parquet floor tool for cleaning hard floors. The downside is that it has a short hose on board, so its useless for stairs (but you have your central vac I suppose) and a small 3.5 litre /3.07 quart dust bag capacity compared to nearly 6 quarts on the D4. It also has a long power cable but must be manually wound.
But on the plus side, the Felix is a lot more nimble than dragging the D4 behind you, it swivels around corners thanks to its swivel joint and it is slim and compact. The synthetic dust bags can last a good couple of months before requiring to be changed, but it depends very much on how much dust your current vacuum goes through, current quart capacity and judge from there. | ||
| Post# 271949 , Reply# 15 3/15/2014 at 07:33 (3,689 days old) by Dori () | ||
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The Sebo Felix doesn't look like a serious vacuum to me. I did look at it in the store. With the Dyson I have to empty the dirt container twice a week. Does that mean I will go through bags that often with the smaller capacity Felix? | ||
| Post# 271951 , Reply# 16 3/15/2014 at 08:40 (3,688 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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SEBO bags in the Felix are hard to know what they actually fill up to because the synthetic dust bags last a lot longer and don't often have to be disposed of until at least 2 months have passed.
I know from experience owning a SEBO D2 (NON PN model) that the bags in my home take around 3 months to fill completely before they need replacing. Of course it depends on the size of the home and the amount of dust in question. I was initially worried that you would find the D4 bulky which is why I suggested the Felix. If you find the D4 isn't that much of a chore then that would be better, even if they are more expensive to buy. | ||
Post# 272409 , Reply# 21 3/18/2014 at 15:20 (3,685 days old) by Durango159  (State College, PA) |
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The Wessel Werk EBK360 head is a very powerful deep cleaning head. Only issue with this head is that the brush roll opening is completely open with no rug guards. For Wall to Wall carpet that will be wonderful, for lots of area rugs, that will be a huge nuisance as it will look to eat edges of all area rugs!!! It's more powerful than the EBK340. Both of the Wessel Werk heads are open on bottom.
For a very powerful power nozzle system I would recommend looking to the Riccar/ Simplicity style power nozzle. It has a wonderful height adjustment system, easy rolling rubber coated wheels, belt/ motor protection system. Picture of one is below. I wish you the best of luck with the Sebo D4. I worked for a client that purchased one and I tried it brand new out of the box. I liked the long cord, it was quiet and the filtration was good. However, I found the cleaning power of the machine awful. I never thought it had good airflow with bare floor tool or power head and I found the power head very weak. I also couldn't stand the teeny on/off switch button on power nozzle and the height adjuster was useless. When you get tired of using it, I recommend the Simplicity or Riccar. The Moxie, Gusto, Verve, Prima, Wonder are all great machines with lots of power. I am a power nozzle canister lover and all of the cleaning clients have canister vacs in their homes. I've never had more frustration and lack of cleaning power from another canister vac more than the Sebo D4!!! I will attest that the newest Rainbow E2 is terrific. You may think I'm biased cause I now sell them, however I only started selling them because I realized how fantastic they were which is what made me purchase one and I did not get any special treatment for being an employee. I did lots of testing on Rainbow when friends worked to persuade me away from selling Filter Queens to the Rainbow. My Rainbow runs round the clock as air cleaner, it's my vacuum, spot scrubber, humidifier, kitchen exhaust fan, aromatizer, floor washer, with exception of toilet bowl and dishes there is really nothing in a house a Rainbow can't clean. The link below is for a bare floor tool that relies more on air flow rather than on the bristles. It will do quite well at picking up your dog hair and get sucked in immediately rather than being caught on bristles. You may be able to see if your local vacuum dealer has a similar attachment that rolls smoothly and is designed for hard flooring with out all of the bristles. For very heavy dust or to get the floors looking terrific with out mopping the Riccar Soft Sweep tool with horse hair bristles and microfiber pad are fantastic!!! Or a generic horsehair bare floor brush will do great!! CLICK HERE TO GO TO Durango159's LINK 
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Post# 272412 , Reply# 22 3/18/2014 at 15:32 (3,685 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Turbine brushes vs. bare floor! I'm heavily against the use of any sort of spinning brush roll on a bare floor. For a few reasons:
Despite hair getting stuck to bristles on a normal bare floor brush, you're much better and safer with that method than using a power head!! Just my advice from my own side house cleaning business experience of over 17 years. | ||
| Post# 272433 , Reply# 23 3/18/2014 at 18:24 (3,685 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, I congratulate you for getting a SEBO D4, Dori.
By the way. SEBO brush rolls fitted to the ET-1 are identical to ALL of the X and Felix uprights. They last a long time without requiring to be replaced. As for the above posts about turbo brushes, well its a darn pity most suction only floor tools have daft metal plates that will scratch the hard floors automatically if the owner forgets to put their foot down on the pedal to put the static brushes down. | ||
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Post# 272480 , Reply# 24 3/19/2014 at 03:41 (3,685 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Carpet tools on hard floors-the floor shoe-or carpet shoe on the tool will scratch the hard floor surface esp if its wooden-doesn't matter if the tool shoe is plastic or metal.Use the proper hard floor tool instead.Save the carpet tool,motorized or turbine for the carpeted floors only! | ||
| Post# 272499 , Reply# 26 3/19/2014 at 09:00 (3,684 days old) by Dori () | ||
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Forgot to mention ... the dealer I purchased from dissuaded me from getting a simplicity canister. I saw one off to the side and he said it's there because he doesn't like it. | ||
| Post# 272512 , Reply# 29 3/19/2014 at 10:35 (3,684 days old) by madabouthoovers () | ||
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Roger does a video on the Sebo Felix - in this he demos the mini turbo brush - starting at 26 minutes in on the below link. This is the mini turbo brush that is shown above, and he demos it on pet hair on his couch: CLICK HERE TO GO TO madabouthoovers's LINK | ||
| Post# 272518 , Reply# 30 3/19/2014 at 11:19 (3,684 days old) by spiraclean (UK) | ||
FWIW, I have a Sebo D2 with the same mini turbo brush, and find it worthless for getting cat hair off the sofa. Just moves it around without actually picking it up. The standard upholstery tool stowed in the back of the vac, however, gets it all up in one swipe. You'd think the opposite would be true, but give it a go and you may be surprised. Some things just work better than others on certain fabrics.
The optional Sebo flat upholstery tool is also very good for pet hair, as it has a row of stiff bristles that seem to comb the hair out of the fabric. Might be worth trying that instead, and seeing if your dealer will allow you to return the mini turbo head? | ||
| Post# 272523 , Reply# 31 3/19/2014 at 11:57 (3,684 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The SEBO mini turbo tool is the same design that Miele supply for their vacuums with very few cosmetic differences. Quite a few brands also use the same Wessel Werk design. Thus there should be no problem in using that tool.
I do second what Spira says though - SEBO's standard upholstery T shaped tool with the D series is great at picking up pet hair and much lighter in the hand when used with the hose and handle. | ||
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Post# 272818 , Reply# 35 3/21/2014 at 03:30 (3,683 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Air turbine brushes depend on extremely high airflow from machine to run brushroll and thereby not having nearly as much to clean with. Unfortunately for the UK the Riccar / Simplicity lines are not yet available. However the Riccar/ Simplicity lines really have tremendous air flow!! I found that running a Riccar 1700 canister on medium High out did a Sebo D4. Running the Riccar 1700 on Full strength was more power than one would need for just about anything. I used to always run the Riccar 1700 on Medium power most of the time at a clients home that had one of these. Medium was sufficient for bare floor cleaning, upholstery and many other things, but for turbo nozzle usage I set the unit to full power. Running power nozzle I generally set the unit to Medium High
Sebo D4's are good units. However I always found myself tapping the "+" button on the hose to increase airflow. It was so quiet I had a hard telling when the machine was at full top speed and pressing the button wouldn't do any better. I found the spinning light around the power switch to be a poor indicator of the power since it usually took a few presses to get the light to slow down even though motor was audibly slowing down. The Riccar machines are simple, you press the "+" button and the green light moves up the scale from one of 6 speed settings to indicate where you are!! Additionally High speed was too powerful for many tasks but it was wonderful that powerful a speed was available for when an extra tough job arose!! Here's a picture of the Riccar 1700 that my house cleaning client and house I used to live in had. Really great, well built machine. 
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| Post# 272828 , Reply# 36 3/21/2014 at 07:39 (3,683 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Hi Dori
I think you have still made the right choice. The D series will fit in with your home based on its size, cord length, long hose, power and capacity. Try the T shaped upholstery brush on the pet hair by all means - I find it difficult to fathom how the mini turbo brush suffers on carpeted stairs - I find it does the job perfectly where dog hair is concerned and unlike so many mini turbo brushes on the market that haven't used the Wessel Werk design, not many open up properly to clean the brush roll and some actually have pesky screws that need to be undone. I don't want to offend you but if your home hasn't been used to that type of mini turbo tool before, there is every possibility that the wheel inside the turbo brush has become stiff with initial use - add a drop of 3 in 1 oil or lubrlcant oil (not WD40 as it is water based and won't last a long time) to make the brush roll spin freer. | ||
| Post# 272842 , Reply# 37 3/21/2014 at 10:26 (3,682 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR) | ||
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If you were able to return the Sebo, the amazing Rainbow might be a great match for your home. You can get the magic mop attachment and the little devil mini power nozzle for cleaning that annoying dog hair. In fact, with an in home demonstration you can see how well the machine works in your home. | ||
| Post# 273106 , Reply# 39 3/23/2014 at 10:39 (3,680 days old) by Dori () | ||
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Hi all: I don't have time to read all the comments and after skimming they seem so interesting. I'll be back with a response in a day or two. Have a great day. Dori | ||
| Post# 274341 , Reply# 40 3/31/2014 at 14:31 (3,672 days old) by jkbff (Dickinson, ND) | ||
What I'd sell you for is the Riccar Brilliance (R30 models) or the Maytag M1200..
We equip our newly redesigned tandems with the soft sweep bare floor tool so you automatically have the best carpet/rug cleaning performance and great bare-floor performance. Check and see if you have a Riccar/Simplicity 30day dealer in your area. You are always guaranteed your money back if you don't like the machines. If you went with the Riccar Brilliance R30, the Simplicity S30 or the Maytag M1200, you'd be amazed at what you'd pick up. For the price, two Maytag M1200's would be perfect. They are $699 each, and you'd have one for each floor. After that, I'd suggest looking for a rebuilt Rainbow with the SuperMop or some form of wet pickup head for your bare floors. You'd have all of your surfaces covered. The other suggestion, since you have central vacuum already, is to get a water/air separator that way you would be able to use your existing equipment as well, then you could do the wet pickup on the bare floors. As far as my experience, I have yet to see a machine clean better than the tandem air machines from Tacony. Just my $.02. | ||
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