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Post# 270606   3/7/2014 at 18:23 (3,700 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I refurbished a DC07 and DC04 for some lady the other week, and when I dropped them back off she said she found her old hoover in the loft, would I be interested in it. When I saw what it was, and checked it worked, I knocked £30 off the bill and came home with this:

From Sebo Automatic X1

And 23 bags and 2 filters!I found another 10 bags in the garage too so no shortage there!

We are moving to a house hopefully next week, so my aim is to have this for the upstairs, which hopefully got the new carpet laid today (no idea what sort though sadly), and I can keep the S6 downstairs for the laminate, using whatever on the rugs my girlfriend wants to get.

So, I gave it a quick check over tonight. No full stripdown yet, as it's pretty clean, and it will be used alot over the next few weeks!

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Took ages to seperate the two halves, I doubt they have been apart since coming out of the box new (lady couldnt rememberhow old it was, got put in the loft when she bought the DC04 in 2001 though)

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It's gonna need a wash

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Cleaned all this off

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Baseplate off and I picked all the bits of fluff out of everywhere

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I've got a new genuine one of these somewhere. Will try to dig it out at the weekend

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I havent properly used it yet either. Gave it a quick run round when I bought it home with a new bag in and it picked up a nice fistful of dirt, and is very quiet and smooth. Aim to give it a proper run this weekend sometime.

And it made a change from bloody DC07's!


Post# 270611 , Reply# 1   3/7/2014 at 18:43 (3,700 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Wow, thats quite a find. Im glad I have my parents old one. I really wouldn't change mine for anything.

Hope you are going to keep it!


Post# 270612 , Reply# 2   3/7/2014 at 18:45 (3,700 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Yep I'm keeping this one! Will be our upstairs machine.

The lady also said she would have the instructions filed away somewhere, will facebook me when she finds it!

It does need a spa session though. Will do that when we get moved and settled though.


Post# 270623 , Reply# 3   3/7/2014 at 20:16 (3,699 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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You can download the instructions free from link.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK


Post# 270646 , Reply# 4   3/7/2014 at 23:34 (3,699 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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How did you get all of those photos in one post?

Post# 270649 , Reply# 5   3/8/2014 at 01:48 (3,699 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Great fine, looks in good condition too. Hope you enjoy using it! I love the full metal soleplate on it. I take it the bags you have are the paper ones and not the synthetic ones?

Post# 270650 , Reply# 6   3/8/2014 at 02:22 (3,699 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Yes they are paper ones. I didn't know they did synthetic bags, although saying that you can get synthetic bags for everything nowadays! I'll wait until after I've stripped and refurbished it before buying those.

Re pictures, copy the embed code out (the long one) and they show. I use Picasa, but other photo hosting sites are available!


Post# 270656 , Reply# 7   3/8/2014 at 03:37 (3,699 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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They do but I believe they only have recently started to sell them on mass, I think Ryan posted a thread about them. Your certainly can!!

I've not used the X Series ones (but they would be the same) as I don't own one of them yet, but I've just used my first one in my Felix and I can honestly say I prefer them over the paper ones. They seem to last longer and compact the dust and dirt more and you don't notice any drop in performance as they fill. It was like a brick when I removed it!


Post# 270657 , Reply# 8   3/8/2014 at 04:27 (3,699 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Having used numatic hepaflo instead of the old paper bags I know what you mean. I use the HEPA flow ones in my garage machine which gets used for cars, other Vacs, garage floor etc and its fine until the end and no leakage.

Just run it round upstairs and its nearly a quarter full. It doesn't seem to be too aggressive on the floor but is getting loads up.

Our house has new carpets going down, do I will use the paper ones until that stops shredding, then spa day it and switch to the better bags. My sister in law has an x4 and 3 large dogs so I'll give her my stash of paper bags, she goes through them very quickly!


Post# 270660 , Reply# 9   3/8/2014 at 05:38 (3,699 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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They are good, I'm impressed with them. Sounds like they work in your garage vac ok.

Thats impressive its working ok then, pulling up dirt from your carpets. Thats I believe the beauty of the X Series it's not over aggressive but still performs well protecting your carpets. Thats what I like about my Felix although manual height adjustment it doesn't feel like it being aggressive but performs well and grooms the carpet.

Good idea and as you already have paper ones might as well use them for that. Gosh I bet she does with 3 large dogs, they will come in handy for her then. Thats what is mostly in my Felix bags pet hair from one dog, although this new synthetic bag I used last 5 months 1-2 months more than the paper ones I used to use.


Post# 270662 , Reply# 10   3/8/2014 at 05:46 (3,699 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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I meant to add and its only got a 850 watt motor too, just shows you don't need high wattage for effective cleaning! Good design too.

Post# 270663 , Reply# 11   3/8/2014 at 05:49 (3,699 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Ah I used to tear a paper numatic bag within minutes sometimes cleaning out the garage, normally with gravel that's been tracked in off the drive.

Top tip though, don't clean out a full ashtray then leave it for 2 months, had to leave the garage it stank so much!





Very good!


Post# 270664 , Reply# 12   3/8/2014 at 05:57 (3,699 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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I bet all though sharp edges least the synthetic are stronger too.

Lol good tip, I bet it did as well!

Great video, grooms the carpet well you could see that. Was going to ask how the tools where your video answered that one. I like the sound of the X Series vac no high pitch sound like some!


Post# 270665 , Reply# 13   3/8/2014 at 06:22 (3,699 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Good video - it does well on that carpet, doesn't it?

The X1 is slightly quieter than the more modern versions, which is another reason to why I like it. However you miss out on the glossy style of the X1.1, X4 etc but I'm prepared to live with that. Motor sounds perfect too.


Post# 270677 , Reply# 14   3/8/2014 at 09:32 (3,699 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Mind you the modern glossy versions I bet get scratched by most users and would be more visible do you think than the older matt ones? The SEBO vacuums have a pleasant sound....so wished I had got an X series over my S7 to accompany my Felix do like the X series!

Post# 270680 , Reply# 15   3/8/2014 at 09:42 (3,699 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Hi Sam,

Fantastic find, well done! Glad you're pleased with it. You can really see it bringing the carpet up in that video.

If you really want to get it working like new, you can get replacement brushrolls from Sebo for a very reasonable price. That will improve performance even more.

Chris


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Post# 270688 , Reply# 16   3/8/2014 at 10:52 (3,699 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Its not as good at grooming as a decent junior or turbo power that's for sure... Brushroll seems quite stiff too

Post# 270689 , Reply# 17   3/8/2014 at 10:53 (3,699 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The brush roll doesn't look that actual worn, Beko. If the machine has a red light coming up on the panel to show that the brush roll needs replacing, then by all means then replace it.

I would disagree - the brush roll is the same they use on the Felix and I find both the X and Felix groom well - but then I have pure wool short loop carpets and I use SEBO's delicate brush roll which has softer bristles.

The stiffer standard one you have should be effective but the auto sensor is probably not allowing it to look as groomed compared to a conventional upright that ploughs through carpets. The X series was originally designed to be gentle on carpets.

What you could buy for it are a set of fresh filters - thus you'll be purging the vacuum cleaner and giving it a better quality of air that emerges out of it.

That's the beauty of the SEBO - the spares are readily available for the X series - plus the brush roll comes out via a touch of a button - so unlike so many other uprights of the period that require the screws to undo.

Check that the filter roll by the bag is clean though - dust on the back of it can be wiped off.



Post# 270694 , Reply# 18   3/8/2014 at 11:05 (3,699 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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It beggars belief as to why you would bother yourself to ask such a question.

If you can't answer honestly, then don't bother answering at all.

Quite simple, really Alex.


Post# 270703 , Reply# 19   3/8/2014 at 11:20 (3,699 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, if they were pretty AVERAGE performers, the non-sensor models worldwide wouldn't sell - yet they are found in most industrial areas and your favourite brand HOOVER saw fit to copy the SEBO G1 and turn it into their "9 years in the making" Hoover Insight and Profile uprights, Alex.

Anyway, I found something for you on the Internet. Its about as pointless as the amount of opinions you've added on this thread and the other one.

Enjoy!




Post# 270726 , Reply# 20   3/8/2014 at 12:28 (3,699 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Well done Beko - I'm sure you will be well happy with a Sebo X1. Good old fashioned German reliability, and built like the proverbial brick **** *****! Always good to get a bargain, and bags are a reasonable price for them as well!


Post# 270736 , Reply# 21   3/8/2014 at 14:26 (3,699 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I see my comments were removed.
Lol, ahh well.


Post# 270750 , Reply# 22   3/8/2014 at 17:00 (3,699 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I may buy a cheeky new filter for it on payday. And your right about the brushroll, it lowers itself just enough to seal against the carpet. Doesnt look as good as a turbopower track, but gets the dirt out, the new bag I put in is now nearly a quarter full after running it round thoroughly today!

Cant wait to see the carpets in our house, I really hope they have a pile to them! We went rug shopping today too, some nice piles there too...


Post# 270755 , Reply# 23   3/8/2014 at 17:42 (3,699 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

They are very easy to push round, I find. I suppose Mr Hoovers94 is right when he says they don't feel like they are doing anything, but if that was the case then the bag would still be empty after your cleaning session. An upright doesn't need to be hard to push to do any good, as you prove. If the Sebo X series was no good, then I don't think it would have been in constant production for the last 23 years, virtually unchanged - its actually an older design than the Hoover Turbopower 2 that Mr Hoovers94 cherishes so much.

 


Post# 270759 , Reply# 24   3/8/2014 at 18:08 (3,699 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Actually Ive just thought of something - Hoover used to produce excellent stitched cloth dust bags for the Junior and Senior. Well, Im not sure it was Hoover that produced them, themselves but I had a few rescue Junior uprights that had them and by god it would take months for them to fill up.

Knowing that the Purepower also had a Fabric SMS dust bag, was there ever one made for use with the Turbopower? Or was the offensive pushed towards the Perma Dust box instead on other MOL models (Middle-of-the-line).


Post# 270760 , Reply# 25   3/8/2014 at 18:10 (3,699 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Well actually I have gone off Turbopower 2 cleaners at the moment and am more interested in the Turbopower 1 and Turbomaster. I am still obsessed with them though!

Post# 270766 , Reply# 26   3/8/2014 at 18:22 (3,699 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Yes Mr Hoovers94, so it appears. It also appears that you are finding out how fragile and brittle the parts of these vacs is - re the back wheel on your TM disintegrating. Good luck trying to find another one, they are as rare as TP2 brushrolls!


Post# 270769 , Reply# 27   3/8/2014 at 18:34 (3,699 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Well indeed, but I have seen it MANY times on Turbopower cleaners, the rear wheels smashing and it seems the same happens with TM rear wheels...However I feel the TM cleaners are FAR sturdier.

Post# 270772 , Reply# 28   3/8/2014 at 18:39 (3,699 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

No matter how sturdy you think a TM is, I can guarantee it isn't as sturdy as a Sebo X series, as they are not made with that brittle plastic that Turbopower 1's and TM's were made with. The TP2 was a great improvement in the plastic quality over the 80's designed machines, it was also better quality than the Dyson DC01 that outsold it back in the day.


Post# 270775 , Reply# 29   3/8/2014 at 19:04 (3,699 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Of course it isn't as sturdy as the Sebo, I know. I don't think that the Turbopower was cheaply made I just think the plastic was not thick enough where it should of been. The Turbopower 2 was very well built in comparison to the original range which is why so many TP2 cleaners survive undamaged.

Post# 270883 , Reply# 30   3/9/2014 at 16:26 (3,698 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Yes, they may be more TP2's surviving, but with parts for them now nearly non existant, how much longer will they be around for? I still cant get over the fact that you cant get a brushroll for a TP2 any longer, but then again, no-one fixes anything any more in our throw away culture. its all about selling more new models now than fixing old ones. Anything that increases the profits of the fat cat companies like TTI and Dyson


Post# 270899 , Reply# 31   3/9/2014 at 17:09 (3,698 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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To be honest, in all the TP2's I have come across the brushrolls seem to be in good condition anyway.

Post# 270903 , Reply# 32   3/9/2014 at 17:16 (3,698 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Yes Alex, but you know the feeling - your wheels have broken on the Turbomaster, and they are obsolete now, so that machine is now pretty useless for want of a wheel. Not even Qualtex make them. Since the recession, so many companies have gone bust or had to scale back on what they produce to avoid going bust, so now we have great difficulty keeping old models on the road. Its sad, but makes it more fun trawling ebay for old parts to fit our machines. When you eventually find what you are looking for its very satisfying!


Post# 270908 , Reply# 33   3/9/2014 at 17:38 (3,698 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I have turbopower wheel circlips coming if anyone needs one...

Post# 270916 , Reply# 34   3/9/2014 at 18:20 (3,698 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I know what you mean Steve, I love finding something after searching o
for it for AGES.


Post# 270921 , Reply# 35   3/9/2014 at 18:32 (3,698 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Think how you felt when you found a 1997 Purepower Autosense - it was like hitting the jackpot, a rare machine that no-one else has, and the seller posted it to you. Then I can imagine that sinking feeling when you opened the parcel and that flaming Royal Mail had damaged it in transit, and the subsequent trawl to then find a new chassis.

Its the feeling you get when you find a rare machine and win it that keeps us collecting more and always on the lookout on ebay for bargains. I spend hours on ebay looking through thousands of machines for that odd diamond in the rough, and when one comes up, its very exiting!

So, I say never throw out an old rare vac if you can at all help it, because one day, that elusive part might just crop up on ebay to fix it with. Put it into long term storage in the loft and always keep an eye out for the part it needs.


Post# 270925 , Reply# 36   3/9/2014 at 18:55 (3,698 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I did know that I could buy a new chassis for the Purepower so was not to miffed. Speaking of that I watched for an entire week and bid at the last few seconds I decided to make my bid at 15 seconds and then it said "please sign in"...My heart was in my mouth so I tried signing in , it said "wrong password try again", I was getting more and more anxious, so I put in my password again and it said "wrong password, please try again" At this point I was screaming at the computer, so I put it in again knowing that this would probably be my final attempt and it said "confirm bid" I was like yessssss, I confirmed it and it said "you are the high bidder", it went back to the listing and the clock had 1 second remaining and then...."you have won this auction" I stood up shaking and out of breath, that was how badly I wanted it.

Post# 270929 , Reply# 37   3/9/2014 at 19:05 (3,698 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

That's happened to me as well with the signing in business on ebay, and I have lost an item over it as there wasn't enough time left to sign in before the auction ending, so I now always re-sign in before I need to make a sniper bid in the last dying seconds of an auction.

 


Post# 270931 , Reply# 38   3/9/2014 at 19:11 (3,698 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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it is annoying though because you completely forget how to react carmly so you are panicking trying to type it in quickly and often forgetting your password completely are continuous spelling it wrong in the race against the clocK

Post# 270933 , Reply# 39   3/9/2014 at 19:13 (3,698 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Anyway, regarding the Turbomaster wheels, I think I may contact Espares and see if they have any old stock of them in the warehouse.

Post# 270935 , Reply# 40   3/9/2014 at 19:18 (3,698 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

You could try - but I don't think Espares will have any, nor will Buyspares, as I tried all my suppliers the other night when I was trawling for wheels for your TM. I had no luck, and I think the only way you will get any is if you buy another Turbomaster machine and break it for parts. Its like owning an old car, you have to go to the breakers yard to find parts off other old cars to fix your own.


Post# 274403 , Reply# 41   4/1/2014 at 06:06 (3,675 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Had a play with the X1 yesterday!

Sebo Automatic X1 vs Quaker Oats:




Post# 274413 , Reply# 42   4/1/2014 at 09:54 (3,675 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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So easy to use, it is child's play!

Post# 274528 , Reply# 43   4/2/2014 at 15:02 (3,674 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Its doing a stunning job. Had a dc07 in for a motor swap and it picked hardly anything up after using the x1 since the carpet was laid!

Post# 274529 , Reply# 44   4/2/2014 at 15:03 (3,674 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

And no, that's not a cheap OMGALLDYSONSR gag!

Post# 274533 , Reply# 45   4/2/2014 at 15:34 (3,674 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Ah, nice to see another member has finally discovered that SEBO cleaners are a cut above! I discovered that too. I just love using my Sebo's. My Dysons are all now relegated to the back of the loft. I will still keep them though, as at the end of the day, they are still vacuum cleaners, and they were made in a time when Dysons were actually quite good.

My X4 is just a good old fashioned bagged upright, with no balls, and no cyclones, and by god its a good cleaner. There will come a day sadly when SEBO replace it - I just hope they don't replace it with something not as good. The X series is a timeless classic.


Post# 274586 , Reply# 46   4/3/2014 at 01:55 (3,673 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

I have alot of love for Sebo at the moment! I've always wanted one, having used my sister in laws X4 a few times, and I'm glad I've got one now.

Our carpets are wasted on it though tbh, so it will probably get a spa day then sit with the rest of my collection rather than be a daily, but I'm glad I've got it!


Post# 274590 , Reply# 47   4/3/2014 at 06:13 (3,673 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I know you've always wanted one, so I'm chuffed you got the X1 Automatic. I always try and recommend that model to those who are looking for a cheap priced upright if they have their heart set on the X1.1 or X4. Let's face it, the X1A is an old upright vacuum now on the basis that it is no longer sold, but it is a very popular vacuum that still sees a lot of bids whenever they appear on EBAY.

I've had no regrets since selling off my X4. I'm happy with my older X1 Automatic. The key here is that at the end of the day you're getting a commercial built vacuum cleaner. I think that's the major difference between SEBO and other brands and quite a few people forget that even if there's a "domestic" line compared to commercial.



Post# 274612 , Reply# 48   4/3/2014 at 12:06 (3,673 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Glad to hear you are liking your SEBO X1. Great video too by the way. One pass pick up too. Was interested to read about the Dyson DC07 being used after the X1 just shows you don't need complicated vacuum cleaners to clean effectively or have brut force suction to clean well. I'm impressed by that at the X1 has a 850 watt motor! Keep saying I will get an X Series model some day!

Post# 274617 , Reply# 49   4/3/2014 at 12:25 (3,673 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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I can't see SEBO replacing the X Series anytime soon it's still popular I would have thought for the main design not to have really changed over the years! They will more likely update it I bet with slight changes!

Interestingly I was watching a video on YouTube on the new BS 36 and 46 Compact (with the new improved cleaning head) and got me thinking about the X Series. I know people including myself have said why don't the X included brush roll switch off and variable suction! Why change a winning tried and tested formula! A new X Series could be a version of the BS Comfort enabling brush roll turn off due to twin motor setup and even 2 versions with manual and auto height adjustment! Then add variable suction like the Felix has!

Just a thought but like I said why change a formula that works for them! It still sells all these years later and lasts the user for years in a market which is full of bagless vacuums cheap or expensive! So it still has some appeal simply as it does what it says it does and is easy to use and maintain compared to current offerings!


Post# 274621 , Reply# 50   4/3/2014 at 13:14 (3,673 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I think that is one reason to why SEBO UK don't have the G2 with manual height adjustment because they know buyers can go with the commercial uprights instead.

The thought has also crossed my mind with the brush roll on/off function. Perhaps whatever comes in above the X series will offer brush roll on/off. But then again SEBO may well be happy with what they have at present. Unlike Miele, it takes SEBO a long time to get something new out that doesn't steal sales from what they have on their books already.



Post# 274665 , Reply# 51   4/3/2014 at 17:51 (3,673 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Very true. That's probably why they haven't relaxed the X Series yet as they are happy with it as it stands. Suppose that's why the Felix came out like you say so it doesn't steal sales away from what it already has. Plus the Felix was designed to appeal to another market sector was it not? Or what I once read at the younger age group! Unless it's a replacement model like the D was for the C.

Post# 274666 , Reply# 52   4/3/2014 at 17:59 (3,673 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Never thought a Vacuum Cleaner needed balls Steve! #45

Post# 274696 , Reply# 53   4/3/2014 at 20:24 (3,673 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Not sure about the younger group, but I can see why it would, or rather to those after style and function - something, despite the colours and soft curves, the X series can't get away with.

Actually, the Felix came about when one of the original designers for Vorwerk ended up working at SEBO and designed a very similar model, obviously in conjunction with Vorwerk's previous design. Thus, the height adjustable handle comes from Vorwerk design as well as interchangeable floor heads and the swivel joint. Thus, the Felix was made for those looking for an upright in a medium home with the X designed for larger homes.

Evidently though it shares a similar bag capacity (by some 0.5 litres) to the K cylinder vacuum, the Felix has always had lower power to match the X4. That's excluding the 175 watt small PN or the 200 watt PN. I'd be interested to see if SEBO can lower the motor power of the PN with the EU law coming in.


Post# 274769 , Reply# 54   4/4/2014 at 16:20 (3,672 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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That's probably one of the reasons I picked the Felix over the X Series for the versatility.

Thanks Sebo_fan for that bit of info on how the Felix came about very interesting to know. It does echo some of the Vorwerk's designs of their vacuums. You can see why people say the Felix is similar to some Vorwerk's vacuums.

I did wonder if the Felix bag capacity was similar to the K Series. It will be interesting to see what happens to the Felix for future versions of it and like you say see what SEBO can do with the PN wattage. Wonder if the new EU Law includes the PN motor wattage with the main unit motor wattage? I noticed the Vorwerk VK150 has a 900 watt motor in the main unit but combined with additional equipment it's 1300 watts (which must include the PN which surely isn't 400 watts?). I was quite surprised how very light the new Vorwerk is! Mind you if that new K Series has a 700 watt motor and performs ok they could fit a 700 watt motor and keep the 175 and 200 watt PN.


Post# 274793 , Reply# 55   4/4/2014 at 19:27 (3,672 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Im not sure what SEBO will do, but at least the X4 and Felix are safe for the moment given that the EU law proposes 1600 watts until 2017. The K series uses a different filter system to the Felix - slightly different - though future versions may mirror what is on the D series.


Post# 274848 , Reply# 56   4/5/2014 at 07:23 (3,671 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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They sure are for now! See what the future brings. One thing is for sure quality easy to use vacuums will still emerge from SEBO. The only thing I'm not clear on unless I've mis understood this new EU law is it new vacuums to the market excluding existing ones already on sale. Suppose it means all currently on the market!? I've seen pictures of the D series filter system but not actually touch or seen them in person. I take it the pre motor filter on the D series above the bag uses a new type of material?

Post# 274853 , Reply# 57   4/5/2014 at 09:19 (3,671 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Its just a felt mix above the bag and the one below the filter.


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