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Post# 269707   2/28/2014 at 14:14 (3,681 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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What vacuum do you consider to be you most satisfying to use in terms of making you feel like you have done a thorough job? By this I mean how man pushes and pulls per path does it take for you to think that area is clean and move on ?
Personally, I would say my felix is the one that does this for me. The way it stick down on the carpet, moves forward on its own and vibrates the floor, I only go over the same path twice probably. |
Post# 269717 , Reply# 1   2/28/2014 at 14:48 (3,681 days old) by citroenbx (england)   |   | |
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Post# 269721 , Reply# 2   2/28/2014 at 15:11 (3,681 days old) by TASE (Colorado)   |   | |
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Post# 269736 , Reply# 3   2/28/2014 at 17:08 (3,681 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 269742 , Reply# 4   2/28/2014 at 17:55 (3,681 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Probably when on a Cylinder Vacuum when the head sticks to the carpet, otherwise if it's easy to push then it dosen't feel it's doing the job properly. |
Post# 269768 , Reply# 5   2/28/2014 at 21:22 (3,681 days old) by DC (Arizona, USA)   |   | |
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My Miele S7 does its job really well in one pass. It has REALLY fast airflow, and powerful agitation from its brush to clean thoroughly. I know it deep cleans considering its brush roll beats really well, but it doesn't seem to groom my carpet as nice as my older Dirt Devil. I think it's because the chevron brush roll with its semi-stiff bristles just doesn't groom as well as a stiffer non-chevron brush roll you would find on most other vacs. However, if it beats carpet enough to make crumbs shake all over the floor, and has the suction to make the crumbs move towards the power head, it's one hell of a deep cleaner for all carpets!
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Post# 269784 , Reply# 6   3/1/2014 at 01:38 (3,681 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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Kirby and metal Royal for upright,NSS,Sebo,Meile,Nilfisk for canister. |
Post# 269788 , Reply# 7   3/1/2014 at 04:04 (3,681 days old) by KellyW92 ()   |   | |
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For me, it's probably my Montreal Aerus Vacuum. It's a damn beautiful vacuum with a damn good clean. The way it glides across the carpet is great. |
Post# 269789 , Reply# 8   3/1/2014 at 04:46 (3,680 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 269790 , Reply# 9   3/1/2014 at 04:53 (3,680 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Dyson DC08 with contact head fitted is an unbeatable floor tool for suction sealing! Dyson DC07 Origin with seals in the soleplate are my favourites |
Post# 269819 , Reply# 10   3/1/2014 at 09:37 (3,680 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 269829 , Reply# 11   3/1/2014 at 10:08 (3,680 days old) by KirbysNphones ()   |   | |
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Filter Queen! I have mostly hard floors, so it does fine by my standards. For carpet, one of my Kirbys or Royals. |
Post# 269864 , Reply# 12   3/1/2014 at 16:21 (3,680 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO)   |   | |
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For me, the most satisfying one-pass performance comes from either my Filter Queen with upgraded (EBK360) power nozzle, or from my franken-Royal (880 with a 671 motor). Before the Royal wound up frankensteined, though, I think my Kirby Heritage II Legend did a better job. |
Post# 270040 , Reply# 13   3/3/2014 at 02:50 (3,679 days old) by kenkart ()   |   | |
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Electrolux..Or my 801 Royal. |
Post# 270043 , Reply# 14   3/3/2014 at 05:58 (3,678 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270093 , Reply# 15   3/3/2014 at 13:55 (3,678 days old) by citroenbx (england)   |   | |
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Post# 270129 , Reply# 16   3/3/2014 at 18:13 (3,678 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270174 , Reply# 17   3/4/2014 at 01:04 (3,678 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)   |   | |
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Post# 270175 , Reply# 18   3/4/2014 at 03:11 (3,678 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270197 , Reply# 19   3/4/2014 at 07:31 (3,677 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Oh no, come on Alex, don't start!
Id sooner be happier to push a Dyson DC01 along a floor than a "certain amount of certain uprights," simply because being 6ft I wouldn't have to stoop and get neck pain. The question on this forum is simple - it isn't asking you to question other members on why a certain model should be satisfying or not! |
Post# 270199 , Reply# 20   3/4/2014 at 07:47 (3,677 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270206 , Reply# 21   3/4/2014 at 08:51 (3,677 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270207 , Reply# 22   3/4/2014 at 08:56 (3,677 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270208 , Reply# 23   3/4/2014 at 08:57 (3,677 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Dont like the Ranger - my parents had one and the baby sitter used to chase me with it - as a result I never liked the design. Much prefer the Senior underneath it! Also never liked the Hoover handle on the Senior Ranger - something about it is quite uncomfortable compared to the original Senior.
However times move on. For me, a satisfying vacuum should be quick at what it does and the SEBOs are perfect in this area with Miele, playing second. |
Post# 270213 , Reply# 24   3/4/2014 at 10:48 (3,677 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270214 , Reply# 25   3/4/2014 at 11:05 (3,677 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270216 , Reply# 26   3/4/2014 at 11:09 (3,677 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270217 , Reply# 27   3/4/2014 at 11:11 (3,677 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270224 , Reply# 28   3/4/2014 at 13:14 (3,677 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 270225 , Reply# 29   3/4/2014 at 13:25 (3,677 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270227 , Reply# 30   3/4/2014 at 13:26 (3,677 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Easy to get out, easy to manuver, easy to hold, easy to empty and/or attach tools (attachments). AND, when you're done, you can see a beautifully cleaned carpet...proving your efforts were not wasted.
For ME, everytime I get a HOOVER out, plug it in, turn it on, i KNOW I'll hear that "hum". I KNOW I'll see those tracks, i KNOW when I'm finished, I'll once more have a nice clean home with proper lines on my carpets. That's "MY" definition of satisfaction. |
Post# 270233 , Reply# 31   3/4/2014 at 14:05 (3,677 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270235 , Reply# 32   3/4/2014 at 14:12 (3,677 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 270239 , Reply# 33   3/4/2014 at 14:33 (3,677 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270251 , Reply# 34   3/4/2014 at 15:59 (3,677 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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Ah Turbo, I see you share a love of one of the nations favourite comediennes too. |
Post# 270252 , Reply# 35   3/4/2014 at 16:14 (3,677 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 270255 , Reply# 36   3/4/2014 at 16:25 (3,677 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 270257 , Reply# 37   3/4/2014 at 17:16 (3,677 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 270258 , Reply# 38   3/4/2014 at 17:38 (3,677 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270444 , Reply# 40   3/6/2014 at 02:11 (3,676 days old) by kenkart ()   |   | |
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Use all that new stuff from now until Jesus comes back, and I can still pull dirt behind you with my old 150 Hoover from 1936!!! LOL!!I just had to be a little bit of a smart !@#!LOL |
Post# 270447 , Reply# 41   3/6/2014 at 02:37 (3,676 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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I agree with KenKart!! |
Post# 270450 , Reply# 43   3/6/2014 at 02:49 (3,676 days old) by kenkart ()   |   | |
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Some VERY fine cleaners have been built in Europe years ago too! |
Post# 270451 , Reply# 44   3/6/2014 at 02:53 (3,676 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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Most of the vacuums I use are of the "old school" type--Kirbys,Royals,Hoover Convertibles,Saniaires,etc.The NSS M1 is an "old school" canister!And yes they can last 50 years easily-even under heavy commercial use! |
Post# 270453 , Reply# 45   3/6/2014 at 03:28 (3,676 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270456 , Reply# 46   3/6/2014 at 06:27 (3,675 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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"Fluffball spinning in the container"yes-thats carpet fluff the Dyson brushroll is tearing from your carpet!Some Dyson rolls are HARD on carpets! |
Post# 270457 , Reply# 47   3/6/2014 at 07:20 (3,675 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I think we all know that most vacuums today are never as well built as the old ones. Even today, things like microwave ovens, shavers, mobile phones, hand mixers and even toasters aren't as well built as they used to be - but we didn't have as cheap manufacture as we do now.
Even when Hoover brought out their plastic hard box uprights they made claims that they were lighter to push/lift because of the manufacture and trying to steer the buyers away from "the last of the classic uprights." But then when you look back, homes in general didn't have half of the expensive premium floor coverings available now, either, or for that matter laminate flooring - vinyl or lino existed a lot as it is cheap covering (and still is) but it isn't going to suit everyone nowadays. Then there's the air quality and what contributes to dust in the home. I think today's vacuum cleaner has a lot more to pick up than what the 1970's homes had. |
Post# 270462 , Reply# 48   3/6/2014 at 08:55 (3,675 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Agree pretty much, but a lot of our 70s homes were very heavy with drapes, big over stuffed furniture and that damn thick dense shag carpet was all over, get out the rakes! Yes we had them.Plus back then the climate control and window seals were not as good. No need I suppose to mention the ash trays in every room.
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Post# 270480 , Reply# 49   3/6/2014 at 12:32 (3,675 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Yes, true but then children were playing outside, climbing trees and not born with half the allergies they have today.
Out of interest one of my old school friends has a certain bagless vacuum and constantly wraps her kids in cotton wool in terms of "making her own soap" etc and approaching everything from an Organic slant. Sadly she has fallen prey to the organic world of over pricing everything. Despite the onus of making everything in terms of bath oils, shampoos etc for her and her family, they still suffer from itchy eyes, dust allergies and rashes. When questioned what she has in terms of a vacuum cleaner, it is a TOL model she has had for three years and when I asked her when the last time she cleaned out the on board filter, I got a blank look! I can't speak for the U.S obviously but UK curtains and furnishings in the 1970s were far better built and far more durable. There's a lesson learnt there - no wonder so many people in the UK are sourcing old materials and vintage stuff again. |
Post# 270481 , Reply# 50   3/6/2014 at 12:42 (3,675 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 270499 , Reply# 51   3/6/2014 at 15:59 (3,675 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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The Dyson Dual cyclone vacuums did not have aggressive and extremely stiff bristles, it's a dust ball spinning in the bin BTw :) Run a Dc01 over the carpet after any bagged vac, then see wat it leaves behind :) Gotcha! |
Post# 270510 , Reply# 52   3/6/2014 at 18:30 (3,675 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270554 , Reply# 53   3/7/2014 at 02:58 (3,675 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Tayyab, you've missed the point completely.
ALL vacuums leave dust behind and whichever vacuum goes second is likely to still pick something up. It's a very old marketing technique. But the DC01 and DC03 both have a pretty pathetic brushroll and very low suction, it's common sense that a cleaner with a better brushroll (longer, stiffer bristles to get deeper into the carpet pile and possibly beater bars) and more suction power will pick up more. |
Post# 270557 , Reply# 54   3/7/2014 at 06:47 (3,674 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The thing to remember is, the DC01 was really the first proper Dyson after that pink thing in Japan. It wasn't supposed to be the "best vacuum on the market" but rather a showcase in what Dyson's ideas were. Thus, the model wasn't beset with the "best of the design functions" that other brands already occupied.
I was looking at one of my old Hoover brochures yesterday and what is remarkable about the Hoover Turbopower is that the models that had the tools on board failed to mimic the same ones that were sold in the tool kit - i.e twist to ratchet-lock and adopt friction fit instead. Obviously good for Hoover to sell a box alongside for models that didn't have the on board tools - but even at that, the tools were better than those offered by Dyson - but that can be forgiven since the DC01 was the first of many Dysons to come. The thing that I didn't like about the DC01 when we initially got one was the fact that it failed to clean flat to the floor and eventually managed to turn our wool carpet into a lot of mess because of the abrasive way the brush roll cleaned the pile. Had Dyson actually looked at the Hoover Junior that he moaned about losing suction because he was too lazy to buy dust bags, he'd have used the same kind of brush roll and far more inspiration rather than design something completely different. He could have used any bagged vacuum to highlight bag inefficiency. |
Post# 270566 , Reply# 55   3/7/2014 at 10:43 (3,674 days old) by adambomb (Undisclosed )   |   | |
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My 2012 Kirby Sentria II |
Post# 270588 , Reply# 57   3/7/2014 at 15:40 (3,674 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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The DC65 doesn't look like it has a beater bar, all Dyson has done is removed the 2 different rows of bristles (which where 2 different lengths, as per the DC41) and added one row that is spiralled around the brush bar more (DC40 only has one row) on a raised bed. Then increased the motor via the electronic control board to use 25% more power which they say drives the bristles deeper to release more dirt! The head from the side looks smaller and the bristles are stubby, probably very stiff too!
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Post# 270598 , Reply# 58   3/7/2014 at 16:35 (3,674 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Is the DC40 brush the same stiffness as a DC41 brushbar? the DC41 I had for a week was CRAP!!!!!!!!!! |
Post# 270599 , Reply# 59   3/7/2014 at 16:41 (3,674 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270618 , Reply# 60   3/7/2014 at 19:33 (3,674 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270621 , Reply# 61   3/7/2014 at 19:54 (3,674 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Alex, I have an interest in the brand mainly and I do like other vacs too such as Numatic but am not as into them as Dyson. Yes we both grw up with them but you dont like them as much as I do but you loove Hoover ;) |
Post# 270682 , Reply# 62   3/8/2014 at 09:48 (3,673 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270691 , Reply# 63   3/8/2014 at 11:00 (3,673 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 270693 , Reply# 64   3/8/2014 at 11:04 (3,673 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270695 , Reply# 65   3/8/2014 at 11:06 (3,673 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 270702 , Reply# 66   3/8/2014 at 11:19 (3,673 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270719 , Reply# 68   3/8/2014 at 12:10 (3,673 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 270779 , Reply# 70   3/8/2014 at 19:36 (3,673 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well, ironically enough Vax did use the same ones that SEBO now supply for the K and D. But then Vax changed them again to cheaper plastics and not as well sealed.
SEBO have their eye on a new one that has appeared on the market though, and from what I know, they are trying to source it for future models. |
Post# 270819 , Reply# 71   3/9/2014 at 06:19 (3,672 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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The Turbo Tool seen in Reply #67 was the one I got with the Swan 'Petmaster' Cylinder Vacuum I had for a few days. It would have been good if there was enough suction to turn it. |
Post# 270833 , Reply# 72   3/9/2014 at 11:26 (3,672 days old) by rainbowvacfane2 (tracy ca)   |   | |
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Post# 270852 , Reply# 74   3/9/2014 at 12:51 (3,672 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 270884 , Reply# 76   3/9/2014 at 16:28 (3,672 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The company that springs to mind in all of this that should be doing a LOT better is Electrolux. With worldwide sales being at the highest, you'd think they would have developed more vacuums rather than pass off TOL to AEG and budget line to Zanussi.
I know some members won't like it if I compare appliance brands to car brands, but tough toffee - Auto Express, a leading car magazine in the UK are reporting next week on how big "Skoda," have got - owned by VW - it is a classic tale of a brand who were once the brunt of many jokes and under the VW brand have made huge profits for most of the UK. It seems Skoda are now a leading car brand, and all because most of their models offer far better value for money under VW quality control. Electrolux should be like VW. They have so many sub-brands, that there is NO EXCUSE to have leading models and leading brand names. But sadly, Electrolux in my opinion has fallen prey to producing far too many vacuums in China and not making enough of the bagged uprights and cylinder vacs that they used to be known for. |
Post# 270896 , Reply# 78   3/9/2014 at 17:03 (3,672 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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The quality of Samsung products has decreased rapidly during the last 4 or 5 years. Their stuff looks swish and fancy with shiny glossy plastic phones and TV's but they are cheaply made, mass market appeal which have a lot of gadgets and so on. I use a Nokia windows phone but anyways, that besides the point.
I am equally unimpressed with this made in china fad, but I am glad to see it is going, slowly. Because labour rates out there are rising so fast, and environmentalist are becoming nosier amid chinas pollution problem, it is becoming as expensive, if not more to manufacture things out there, not to mention quality problems and shipping costs. Probably 80% of products made in china are not made by the manufacture who stamp their label on it. It wouldn't be as bad if they were hoover factories for hoover, or vax factories for vax. That way some sort of quality could be assured. Im part German and spend a quite a bit of time over there for various reasons and sebo, like miele, manufacture nearly all their components in house. Their motors I think are sourced in, but they are made within Europe, or Germany. Unfortunately, german products are the only ones which are still properly built, long lasting high quality products, mainly because manufacturing is still done their, although some companies like bosch have moved elsewhere. Probably helps as well that companies like sebo and karcher as private companies. Thing made in Britain and the US were equally as good. I hope manufacturing for domestic appliances does come back home. |
Post# 270897 , Reply# 79   3/9/2014 at 17:05 (3,672 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Is a vacuum or appliance made anywhere in Europe good quality? |
Post# 270914 , Reply# 81   3/9/2014 at 18:03 (3,672 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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I know the Hotpoint Vacuums are made in Poland. |
Post# 270919 , Reply# 83   3/9/2014 at 18:27 (3,672 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Aren't Hotpoint Machines made in Italy in the Merloni Factory? |
Post# 270926 , Reply# 85   3/9/2014 at 18:56 (3,672 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Yes but at least Hotpoint & Indesit Washing Machines don't have exploding drums! |
Post# 270936 , Reply# 87   3/9/2014 at 19:25 (3,672 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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OK then...My new vacuum should be arriving soon! |
Post# 270966 , Reply# 95   3/9/2014 at 20:53 (3,672 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well its like bread makers - my mother's 15 year old Panasonic cost her £200 brand new - now you can get ones for £50 which is crazy!
If however there is one "domestic" appliance brand name that I feel has slipped in quality big time, it is of that of Sony. Sony audio products used to be the best to buy in terms of sound quality and power. As soon as Sony changed manufacture from Japan to Malaysia in the early 1990s I noticed a huge drop of sound quality as well as general design. |
Post# 271036 , Reply# 98   3/10/2014 at 11:53 (3,671 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I agree Benny and well said!
I have a Panasonic combo oven. The one before that was Panasonic and the one before that was the cheap Argos-Delonghi model. Well, the "Japanese" made Panasonic with a conventional door didn't last even when the oven was treated gently. There was also a product recall about it, which Panasonic took away quite happily, fixed and worked for a couple of years before it suddenly began to go strange with its oven element. Then, inexplicably one day, the inner glass door fell out and then the door housing that held that in, began to fail. My current Panasonic has a flat floor design and pull down door. It is better made and guess what - it is made in China! The Argos Delonghi, now in its seventh year is STILL going strong and is used in a holiday home. BUT, I am beginning to wonder that with the weekly use I put my TOL Panasonic model through, perhaps I should be investing in a basic fan assisted main oven rather than continually using the Panasonic purely for its convection/fan assisted oven. I don't know if they are designed to be used so much. Therefore I don't know if MY EXPECTATION of use of it is too high. |
Post# 271059 , Reply# 100   3/10/2014 at 14:23 (3,671 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Panasonic produce in many Asian countries though, not just China and there are several premium brands who do likewise. Again it is the brand who concentrate on what they want to produce rather than what they need to produce and dependent on the company ethic, quality sometimes gets the top spot instead of quantity, though in terms of vacuums, Panasonic in the UK certainly took their time about it to get a new bagged upright out alongside their current series that has been going on for more than 10 years.
Geographically though Japan is smaller than China and the Yen has a much stronger force than the Chinese currency, there are only so many factories that Japan can have. Parts in China are cheaper to source, so go and figure there. |
Post# 271066 , Reply# 102   3/10/2014 at 14:46 (3,671 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Um, they're not paper bags. Don't know where you got that info from at all. That Panasonic uses synthetic dust bags (code U-13) that cost £5-99 to £10 dependent on seller. Review on Amazon UK (mine!) and prices now range from £5-49 for a pack of 5 from First4Spares. They lack a seal, that's all.
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Post# 271068 , Reply# 103   3/10/2014 at 14:49 (3,671 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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They looked like paper bags to me - here they are in picture: CLICK HERE TO GO TO madabouthoovers's LINK This post was last edited 03/10/2014 at 15:07 |
Post# 271069 , Reply# 104   3/10/2014 at 14:54 (3,671 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well I can assure, being the first person to buy the actual Panasonic off Amazon UK (and being the sole provided of that upright when it first appeared) that it came with synthetic dust bags with Panasonic's name on it.
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Post# 271070 , Reply# 105   3/10/2014 at 15:07 (3,671 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 271073 , Reply# 107   3/10/2014 at 15:15 (3,671 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well, Freenet are just a private company trying to make some money and if buyers are reigned in by that price and free bag offer, let them!
They are not the first company to do so - again, this is what happens when buyers make a search for products and things like that appear. You need to know your salt from your pepper. As I say in the video and shown up at the end, that Panasonic is made in Mexico. But if you watch the video you'll see that the plastics aren't exactly "quality." |
Post# 271090 , Reply# 109   3/10/2014 at 16:43 (3,671 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Yes but for the same argument's sake, the best Miele bag for the British pound is the bigger GN series, so you're spending more on either an outgoing S5 model to use that bag, or the cheaper S2 compromising on the lack of an internal tool storage and slightly longer cord and less power, to the new S8 successor model which is more expensive.
Therefore you could eliminate the S6 altogether for having the FJM bag which costs the same as the GN but losing out on the smaller dust bag capacity. As highlighted before SEBO only make vacuums, so comparing another brand like Panasonic isn't really that fair - fine if it was Numatic - they and SEBO are together in terms of unique vacuum cleaner brands - after all they don't really make anything else that competes with the bigger brands, let alone Panasonic. Frankly Steve, if you are of the opine that a thin synthetic dust bag that Panasonic supply (interestingly they share the same kind of consistency with both the K series, Felix and now new X bags) are not as good as multi layer, then you clearly don't know the mechanics of air flow and the mechanics of the vacuum cleaners in question. Miele's vacuums have higher filtration layers because they've always done multi-layer and in some markets the AAC and HEPA filter cartridges are not available as single purchases. Therefore, lower models down the range only benefit from the Super Air Clean filter/standard filter and thus require the higher filtration layers to depend on. SEBO's current synthetics have tightly packed layers that are not visible to the eye unless you cut the bag open and examine the layers in question. You'll have fun trying to pick it out amongst all the white fuzz, I can assure you! Panasonic's synthetic dust bags actually have 5 layers of filtration. Coupled with the HEPA filter on board for a lower economical 1200 watt vacuum compared to Panasonic's standard (and May I just say) lower 3 ply paper bags for the 1900 watt uprights is more than sufficient. You are trying to compare like with like, but what you forget is the high price of the SEBO K series, plus it being a cylinder vac with an air driven turbo brush at best or even the PN, means you're likely to spend more to actually buy the vacuum in question. Though I paid £114 at the time for my Panasonic upright, the price of nearly 50% off now really isn't that much to moan about. I can't see any Miele or SEBO brand new going for £70, can you? And whilst we are on the subject of synthetic dust bags, has Hoover launched any for their Purepower/Enigma uprights? |
Post# 271104 , Reply# 111   3/10/2014 at 17:39 (3,671 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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No hard feelings at all - but in a home requiring something compact with the same amount of power cord with a permanent brush roll - the Panasonic merits because it IS an upright vacuum cleaner.
Clearly Panasonic have thought about it wisely offering something with a smaller bag capacity than their white/black uprights with higher motor power and bag capacity just as SEBO have done with their X series versus Felix. Both the SEBO K1 and Miele cylinders would be better rivals to consider because, after all, they ARE cylinder vacuums and both don't benefit from the added turbo brush as standard, which you'd have to spend £25 to £30 on top of the asking price on both of those German models, substantially taking out all consideration price wise versus Panasonic, anyway! |
Post# 271122 , Reply# 113   3/10/2014 at 18:01 (3,671 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I would be more inclined to go for the bagless version of that red upright, the MC-UL424. It is £89 on Amazon UK compared to £116 for that black version.
Has a brush roll on/off pedal too. However, the Panasonic's main problem, regardless of whether it is bagless or bagged is that it is like the DC01 - it has a pivotal hinge - so whatever angle you hold the handle at, it won't always sweep the floor at the correct height. Sorry to say, if I was going to go for bagless again it would probably be from the Vax empire. I haven't had problems with my past Mach Air models, so its win-win for me. |
Post# 271124 , Reply# 115   3/10/2014 at 18:19 (3,671 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Check previous post if you haven't seen it - a U.S member found their version (in black and purple) though it is interesting to see there's get a much more reliable metal suction tube compared to the all plastic on the UK versions.
www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-... Frankly though, Im happy with what I've got -the Slalom is probably going to be the last bagless upright I will own. |
Post# 271131 , Reply# 119   3/10/2014 at 18:40 (3,671 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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UNLESS Benny means the Paper Bags. They have a similar collar to the Panasonic ones shown above. |
Post# 271136 , Reply# 122   3/10/2014 at 18:47 (3,671 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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If you want to make a further saving, here is a link to the place where the person I know bought one from. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Vintagerepairer's LINK on eBay |
Post# 271137 , Reply# 123   3/10/2014 at 18:48 (3,671 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Hilo - this is what the Panasonic bags look like: |
Post# 271139 , Reply# 124   3/10/2014 at 18:49 (3,671 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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Cheap bags too CLICK HERE TO GO TO Vintagerepairer's LINK on eBay |
Post# 271151 , Reply# 126   3/10/2014 at 19:18 (3,671 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Im the same Steve - I got rid of most of my vacuums and I don't have any regrets - I regretted getting rid of my vintage Hoover uprights but I realised that eventually if ever the zips on the outer soft bags went, getting original parts would be hard. Soft bag replacements are harder to find for the Hoover Junior and Senior compared to Turbopower brush rolls.
The days for bagless are over for me - for the mean time - until something quiet as a SEBO or Miele appears with NLOS, one day I may well be in the market for something bagless and I'll keep the Hoover Slalom for as long as it goes - the hose clip fell off only just a couple of months ago after the purchase from Amazon UK. I couldn't be bothered to package it up again and claim a new one. I never use the extension tube anyway -the hose on the Slalom is long enough whenever I go into "bagless" mode lol. Granted the Vax Mach Air wasn't that noisy, but once you've had SEBO or Miele, its hard to pull away from putting up with too much noise. Even my Vax VCU02 with its "Oreck" like whine is quieter than the Vax Mach Air! |
Post# 271236 , Reply# 130   3/11/2014 at 08:11 (3,670 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well the X is an old upright, the K is a bit more modern and if you remove the SEBO nameplate and switch the machine on without the filter inside, you'll find the real noise of the motor, which is still pretty quiet. I was amazed the first time I removed that nameplate on my K series as I was shocked to the amount of noise that came out and wondered how a simple thin piece of plastic could shut out that - but that was back in the early days when I didn't know how SEBO designed the K series.
Dont forget though you've got 2100 watts of motor power there, so its a high one. Same with Miele - when you remove the filters, the motors do seem to be noisy. You'd think then other brands would sit up and notice that! |
Post# 271273 , Reply# 132   3/11/2014 at 13:47 (3,670 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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There is a youtube channel called "Made in Germany" or something like that and they report on german manufacturing and there was one report on there of a classic german toy manufacture who have been making all widen toys for decades. The owner decided to shift around two thirds of his production to china, which he admitted was a mistake but at the detriment of lower costs. He found that the quality of the goods he was getting were terrible, because they didn't season or dry the wood properly, and the shipping over from china to Germany made the wood warp. A similar story for a British guy making flags and cushion covers who made an order from china worth a quarter of a million quid which was all faulty. Even though they agreed on a quality spec, the cut corners without telling him, but that is the Chinese nature. Money made. Made in Taiwan is a lot better. Look at the build quality on a HTC, they are mostly made in Taiwan. Even made in Vietnam or Indonesia is better. Europe and any country in the west is probably the best, a although the Koreans and Japs make good quality stuff. I think German products these days are not as consistent as they were. Not all German product are equally good. I rate sebo build quality over miele, and Volkswagen over Mercedes for example.
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Post# 271276 , Reply# 133   3/11/2014 at 14:12 (3,670 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Talking of Germany, Actually, when Mercedes decided to build in the U.S, the first wave of models lacked the perceived quality when they produced the first models (SUVs). Japanese companies like Toyota and Honda who produced in the U.S didn't have any quality problems, which is food for thought based on the company who are not making quality goods, compared to country of manufacture.
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Post# 271278 , Reply# 135   3/11/2014 at 14:16 (3,670 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Actually, the K series brush comes from the C series cylinder vacs - SEBO made a larger dust brush for the X series where the bristles don't get sucked in and can be bought optionally. I don't know why SEBO put the smaller brush on the X series as it is pointless.
I've since bought SEBO's D tools and put them on my Felix. i suspect future tools for the SEBO series may be fashioned from the ones on the D series. |
Post# 271285 , Reply# 137   3/11/2014 at 14:34 (3,670 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 271288 , Reply# 138   3/11/2014 at 14:43 (3,670 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Its obvious that it had a squared off socket to be able to fit onto the top of the cleaner, but I'm unaware if there was a different reason for it? |
Post# 271294 , Reply# 139   3/11/2014 at 14:56 (3,670 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The K series was always the compact/"Kompakt" version of the C series which like Miele had three small cleaning tools as standard.
The K series was supposed to be the "lower" cylinder vac in the SEBO range by bag capacity as the C series used the bigger X series dust bag, keeping costs of manufacturing down until sales and profits came in to fulfil the need for a smaller, more compact and more powerful cylinder vacuum. This is why, compared to the C series which have been on sale for some 17 years, the K series has only had two tools as standard that fit on the body and the clip on dusting brush option. That was the design brief all along - SEBO never intended for the K series to be an upmarket vacuum other than fit it with the option of the PN nozzle derived from the SEBO C3 which first had the electric hose set up and old ET-H floor head - the same one that is still sold today with the UK market SEBO K3 Premium. Other markets have the more modern Felix ET-1 floor head, as well as the D4 Premium in the UK. To maximise cleaning versatility, the T shaped slip on upholstery tool was developed to slide onto the long crevice tool - the same one that is supplied on the Felix. SEBO wanted to keep costs down as well as keep the K series simple -which is why it has a slide on tool as opposed to the separate T shaped tool that came with the C series. Even now the D series which replaces the C series comes with 3 standard cleaning tools. The long extension crevice tool on the K series, derived from the C series sees service on the Felix and the X series are designed to offer an extension tube/crevice in one. Therefore it is clear to see SEBO like to keep things simple and its how they have managed so far without going further to enhance the vacuums with as many accessories that Miele supply. |
Post# 271300 , Reply# 141   3/11/2014 at 15:28 (3,670 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Miele wouldn't list the accessories on their site, Steve if customers weren't aware of them! Currys used to sell the Miele tools a lot until Miele listed them on their site due to customer demand.
You assume a lot about owners in general but if you have ever bought a Miele vacuum yourself, you get more than just a user manual and due to the cost price, not many owners DONT LOOK at the user manual. There's often the additional "free accessories" leaflets etc and the UK user manuals do have links to cost optional accessories. Owners are aware of them. |
Post# 271304 , Reply# 143   3/11/2014 at 16:05 (3,670 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Thats good. I sent an email to SEBO complaining about that a long while ago. As you know I have the original ETH with my K3 Premium - it is heavier, noisier, older and not as good at pick up - the twist dial at the back does very little to adjust to the height - so it is good to see Sebo now offering the K3 with the ET-1 at last.
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Post# 271309 , Reply# 146   3/11/2014 at 16:25 (3,670 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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So it does - but the brochure doesn't though: CLICK HERE TO GO TO madabouthoovers's LINK |
Post# 271311 , Reply# 147   3/11/2014 at 16:27 (3,670 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Roger, could you not contact Freenet and ask them to look at a box they have in stock? They may have the newer ones? |
Post# 271313 , Reply# 148   3/11/2014 at 16:32 (3,670 days old) by sensotronic (Englandshire)   |   | |
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I won't be buying a K3 until June and will contact a few retailers nearer the time to enquire if they have the latest model if the pictures on their website haven't been updated. |
Post# 271314 , Reply# 149   3/11/2014 at 16:35 (3,670 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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I'll look forward to your video review on it - a nice long one like the D4 Premium! Now that IS an impressive cleaner, with lights like something of Doctor Whoooo! lol |
Post# 271348 , Reply# 152   3/11/2014 at 20:13 (3,670 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well, I ended up having to replace the bag door on my first SEBO K1 - a light blue 1800 watt Komfort that I bought from John Lewis many moons ago. The doors tend to last a long time and I had that K1 Komfort model for a few good years before I bought my SEBO Felix. The door however eventually began to wear down and had to be replaced as it began to get difficult to close the door over - it was fairly easy to get a brand new spare door as I found out as I wasn't aware I could get spare parts like that.
The K series is a very competent vac and it is largely understated and probably due to negative reviews in the past from buyers who have reported that the cords got stuck inside the machine. Another issue seems to be the side on hose mount on the body. It can allow the machine to move "one sided" and not in the way the owner wants the vacuum to go. I have noticed this aspect myself on older K series models before SEBO improved the castors with bigger wheels as shown firstly on the K3 Vulcano before SEBO went and changed the colours with the 2100 watt motor upgrades Even the base K1 Airbelt has the bigger wheels now. |
Post# 271479 , Reply# 154   3/12/2014 at 10:41 (3,669 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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It could well be the dirt in your home/air. Mine went like that as well, but a damp cloth can remove it, provided you take the air belt off - and is easy to push and fold back on.
The beauty of the SEBO K is that is so much better built than any Miele vacuum that I find rivals, it though. Even when the lid of a Miele vacuum is opened up just after use, the AAC or HEPA filter pops out and if it is removed you get black fingers from the carbon on the underside. SEBO's filters lack that, so there's no dirt and none of their other filters "pop out," either. |
Post# 271518 , Reply# 156   3/12/2014 at 13:13 (3,669 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 271627 , Reply# 158   3/13/2014 at 08:45 (3,668 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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