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Post# 264082   1/19/2014 at 12:18 (3,721 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)        

Hello everyone, I've been reading a lot of the threads on here for some time now, interesting, informative & often entertaining! I've just registered today because I thought I'd ask for some advice/suggestions on which vacuum I should purchase. Although I've got a bit of a 'thing' for vacuum cleaners, it isn't on the same scale as most of the other members here. For the last 15-20 years I've had Dysons, a DC01 then a DC07 and the DC14 (which is my current vacuum). They were all bought new and have all been looked after. Last year the motor went on my DC14, and was replaced, last week I fitted new filters, new clutch/belts and a new brushroll to it. I have a spare bin/cyclone unit and every now & again I'll strip down the cyclone and stick it in the dishwasher (along with the bin) and use the other one until the next time. When the motor went on my DC14 last year I made the mistake of buying a Vax U89-MAF-P Air Force Pet which was absolute junk. Fortunately, I was able to return it and got a full refund and then gave it scathing reviews everywhere I could think of. Although my DC14 is OK, it's showing it's age and I don't think it brushes up the pile of my carpet well. I'll vacuum and then take a close look at my carpet and there are dog hairs in between the pile and grit/sand etc at the base of the pile. It tends to brush over the top rather than get right in there. I live in a flat so I'm not bothered about stair hoses or anything, it's mostly medium pile carpet throughout except the kitchen and bathroom which is tiled. I have 2 German Shepherd Dogs, they both shed (a lot) one is fluffy and his long fur seems to stay on the carpet surface and is easy to remove, the other is short haired and these hairs seem to really get embedded. I've looked at everything from a Hoover PurePower PU2120 (that I've seen new for less than £60 delivered) through to a G Tech Air Ram. Considering Henry/Miele/Sebo/Dyson. I'd prefer an upright as I think vacuuming mostly medium pile carpet with a cylinder floor tool would be quite hard work, maximum £200.Thank you, you're all lovely!

Post# 264085 , Reply# 1   1/19/2014 at 12:43 (3,721 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845)        

Welcome to vacuumland! 

I would recomend a kirby. Im not sure of used prices for them though. 


Post# 264088 , Reply# 2   1/19/2014 at 13:34 (3,721 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio)        
Make An Offer

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Used Sanitaire S647. Pet hair in carpet, good as gone!

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Post# 264089 , Reply# 3   1/19/2014 at 13:48 (3,721 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)        

I'm in the U.K. It's going to have to be brand new or in immaculate condition. I can't do used!

Post# 264099 , Reply# 4   1/19/2014 at 15:46 (3,721 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I would most definitely recommend the Sebo X4 Extra. The Sebo's are the best deep cleaning upright on the UK market within that price range. The bags are HUGE too and don't need changing very often. The brushroll is one of the most impressive I've seen on a modern cleaner and really grooms the carpet pile.



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Post# 264101 , Reply# 5   1/19/2014 at 15:50 (3,721 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio)        
Tough Price Point for Quality

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Sanitaire Model 684: No headlight, but will still suck the carpet off the floor, for decades of residential use.

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Post# 264104 , Reply# 6   1/19/2014 at 16:00 (3,721 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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The Sanitaire cleaners are not available in the UK.

Also, RE: headlights, there is no cleaner on the UK market currently with a headlight.

Dave, there is another thread here asking for advice for a new machine in the UK. Might be worth a read.


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Post# 264106 , Reply# 7   1/19/2014 at 16:08 (3,721 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)        

Thank you Turbo, I read that thread last night, I've seen an X4 Pet for £230 which I like, I'm afraid I can't stick that navy blue & yellow colourway on that model.

Post# 264107 , Reply# 8   1/19/2014 at 16:11 (3,721 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)        

Can't edit my post above, but re: headlights the U.K. Miele S7510 has an L.E.D. headlight, I believe a few other models in the range do to :-)

Post# 264108 , Reply# 9   1/19/2014 at 16:15 (3,721 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio)        
Buy What You Want

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You asked for advice, and you can't do better than the direct air models for pet hair in carpet. Both models I took the trouble to link to are available to you.

Post# 264109 , Reply# 10   1/19/2014 at 16:18 (3,721 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Orney...

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The Sanitaire uprights are very hard to find in the UK, if at all. If Dave was to import one from the US, he would have to buy a transformer to be able to use it, which is a tad pointless when a used Kirby that wouldn't require said transformer would be cheaper and easier to get.

In terms of brand new, and in that price range, the Sebo is pretty much unbeatable.


Post# 264111 , Reply# 11   1/19/2014 at 16:38 (3,721 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio)        
Yikes!

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Good point about the voltage difference. Sorry, I wasn't aware of that.

I feel sorry for you if you can't obtain a direct air machine. Makes very short work of a tedious job.


Post# 264132 , Reply# 12   1/19/2014 at 17:12 (3,721 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Welcome to Vacuumland Dave.

Like Turbo500 I'd recommend a SEBO. I can't comment on the X Series but I've had a Felix for 6 years without any problems. I have a dog that shreds hair and the Felix (same brush bar as the X Series) vacuum then up with no problems! Going back to bags I've not looked back! Much cleaner and easier to use, little maintenance too! What maintenance there is, is very simple!

I've had every Dyson upright from the DC01 to the DC15 (apart from the DC14) over the years and brought the SEBO Felix while I still had the DC07 and DC15. I couldn't believe how well the Felix grooms the pile of the carpet. Like all SEBO's uprights the bags fill to the top without any noticeable drop in performance. The bags are like bricks when full!! They last me on average 3 months!

I think the SEBO X4 will suit your needs very well!


Post# 264138 , Reply# 13   1/19/2014 at 17:20 (3,721 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

Chris, the Hoover Turbopower Upright has a Headlight.

Hi dave, I had a Sebo X4 & found it to be a good cleaner, it got ground coffee out of a thick white rug which was good, but there are other vacuums you could try.

The Hoover Purepower is good but the newer models have quite poor plastics, they have short cord at 6m, but the plastic quality isn't as bad as some Vax models. The PU2120 does however have a HEPA Filter & the bags last a while too. Where were you able to get one delivered for that price though?


Post# 264142 , Reply# 14   1/19/2014 at 17:29 (3,721 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Anybody recommending a Hoover Purepower needs they're head testing. They're absolutely god awful machines.

Post# 264146 , Reply# 15   1/19/2014 at 17:36 (3,721 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Some form of Miele or Sebo upright definatly. Then maybe a nice Turbopower or Senior for the weekend sir?

Post# 264149 , Reply# 16   1/19/2014 at 17:44 (3,721 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Sebo all the way. You won't regret it. Or a DC39 Animal. I have a X4 Pet and the Dyson and I'm equally happy with both machines.

Post# 264154 , Reply# 17   1/19/2014 at 17:52 (3,721 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()        

I dont think anyone was recommending a Purepower though.

Post# 264155 , Reply# 18   1/19/2014 at 17:58 (3,721 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)        
Hi-Lo Switch

It's here: www.morecomputers.com/extra.aspxQ...

Breath everyone, I'm not going to buy one! Just looking for the best price on an X4 Pet instead.


Post# 264159 , Reply# 19   1/19/2014 at 18:09 (3,721 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Ornery - we can obtain direct air machines in the UK - Kirbys - the problem is that most people cant afford them, and the only option is second hand, which not everyone wants to do.

 

If Dave wants an upright for under £200 then he is a bit limited as most Sebo uprights are more than £200 unless he buys a second hand one, or gets a deal on Ebay.

 

Dave didn't say if he wanted bagged or bagless. we must remember that dogs make any vac smell with prolonged use, so bagged makes a better bet as one throws the smelly bag out when needed. Bagless vacs used with dogs smell too, and require washing out of the cyclone assembly and filters to stop this. It all depends on how much maintenance that Dave wants to do.

 

Dave could consider a Henry but would need one with the Turbo head, such as the Henry Extra for around £150, or cheaper when sourced online. However air driven turbine heads get clogged easily with fur from long haired dogs.

 

Hoover and Vax make some good models like the new Turbopower from Hoover or the Vax FloortoFloor in Argos in Dave's price range - but neither brand is particularly reliable.

 

Miele uprights from the S7 range are bagged, but not particularly robust, and cost more than what Dave wants to pay.

 

In summary, I would recommend the Sebo X1.1 or X4, which Dave could obtain online for about £200 if he got a good deal. Many Euronics centres sell them as well. Although it has a rather dated look now, the X series is a very robust and reliable vac and bags are about a tenner for 10, so half the price of Miele bags. I'm sure Dave and his German Shepherds would be very happy with a Sebo X series. Also, if Dave bought the X1.1 he could get it in Red and Blue, or in White - as he has said that he doesn't like the blue and yellow of the X4 Extra. The X4 Excel comes in Black with silver trim, but is more money than Dave said that he wanted to spend at about £260.

 

It all depends on what Dave decides that he wants to spend in the end, and £200 is on the borderline. another £60 on top would ensure he gets a very nice Sebo upright.


Post# 264176 , Reply# 20   1/19/2014 at 19:44 (3,721 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Um, lets not forget there's the SEBO X1.1! £199 from CoOp Direct also from Amazon UK.

To meet the same spec as the X4 you could buy yourself the extension hose for above the floor line or the stair tool turbo brush.

The X1.1 is just as good as the X4 Extra, but slightly less "powerful" with an 1150 watt motor compared to 1300 watts.

Believe me, there is very little difference between the X1.1 and X4 compared to the original X1 Automatic of 850 watts to 1000 watts for the dark grey/light grey model. I did have an X4 but only sold it last week. Now have an X1 Automatic and adore it, as I have always done.

If buying second hand, an X1 Automatic base line machine is good value but the X1.1 is better.

The red models are getting harder to find now - Euronics no longer stock the red models at every store, best to phone them and check if you really want the red upright.


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Post# 264184 , Reply# 21   1/19/2014 at 20:32 (3,721 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Seems the Red models are now classed as X4 according to my local Euronics store - or model number 90559GB Priced at £239.99



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Post# 264189 , Reply# 22   1/19/2014 at 20:45 (3,721 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

There's an X1.1 in red here for 199.99 so within the budget that Dave wants to spend (Excl Postage which is £9.95)



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Post# 264201 , Reply# 23   1/19/2014 at 23:26 (3,721 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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To be honest, the white X1.1 model is actually better because it hides scrapes better with use compared to the red, black and blue ones.

Post# 264205 , Reply# 24   1/20/2014 at 02:45 (3,720 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)        

Thanks everyone for your input, I'm going to get a Sebo X4 either the Euronics exclusive in red or the Pet in black/silver. A few weeks before Christmas I did see the X4 Pet for £199 so I'm going to hang a few weeks to see if any of the online retailers drop their prices a little bit more. I've noticed the DC25 Animal is now £240 in the new Argos catalogue, which I thought might see a few prices of other manufacturers machines drop. I did look at some reconditioned Kirbys on eBay last night at around the £150 - £200 mark which looked very presentable, but as an at least twice daily cleaner, would probably be a bit over the top.

Post# 264207 , Reply# 25   1/20/2014 at 02:58 (3,720 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

All these models have their pros and cons - but I'd steer clear of the Dyson DC25 - along with the smaller DC24, these were notorious for premature brushroll motor failure. Sorry, but I just don't rate modern Dysons - they are overpriced and overrated. The Sebo is tried and tested - used in many commercial settings, and has one main motor that drives the brush via a twin toothed belt system and cuts the motor out if the brush gets clogged with dog hairs etc. In terms of reliability, the only thing that the X4 occasionally suffers from is a broken power cable where it enters the handle - but the handle opens up easily to shorten the damaged bit of cable. Bags for the Sebo are reasonable too at a tenner for 10. Sebos are very rarely on promotion and its unlikely you will ever get a brand new X series for less than £199. Don't forget though that the X1.1 does not come with an extension hose and turbo brush for furniture as standard - only the X4 Pet does. The X4 Extra comes with an extension stretch hose but no turbo tool. It all depends on how much your GSD's jump on the furniture

Going for a Kirby is always a good choice, They cannot be beaten on carpets. But spares, bags and belts tend to be quite expensive and if you need to use the hose a lot, you may find a Kirby hard work to keep changing the head over to the hose fitting.

With any second hand Kirby that's been refurbed you will be getting a very reliable and sturdy vacuum that will last years and years with the correct maintenance - you can get a good G series refurb as you said for under £200. Bags can be expensive at £25 for 9 from Kirby dealers, but can be obtained online for much less - but they are massive and take a long time to fill up. A Kirby will always give your carpets a much more aggressive beat and clean than most other clean air machines, and Kirbys don't block up easily either. They are a direct air system much like the old metal Hoovers of the 60's and 70's so care will have to be taken what is sucked up using the hose as the Lexan plastic fans can be damaged by sucking up large objects.


Post# 264209 , Reply# 26   1/20/2014 at 03:09 (3,720 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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The Sebo X1.1 is available from VacuSpares for £175. You could always get this and then, if you wanted, buy the additional extension hose from Sebo and it would come in at £205.

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Post# 264210 , Reply# 27   1/20/2014 at 03:15 (3,720 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

He might as well get the X4 Pet for £230 - this will give him the turbo tool as well.



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Post# 264212 , Reply# 28   1/20/2014 at 06:16 (3,720 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

A Dyson DC25 animal should be a good vacuum.
the filtration is good, it has a twin motor system, cleans better than a DC14, has the Dyson advantages, 5 year warranty/guarantee and even a ball!


Post# 264217 , Reply# 29   1/20/2014 at 08:43 (3,720 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yes but Dave did want a vacuum cleaner at the £200 mark, Steve. This is why I responded originally with the X1.1. Its all very well recommending any vacuum cleaner from the SEBO range but with the cost effectiveness put into place PLUS HAVING TO BUY A BOX OF BAGS as well counts as extra expense.

Thats a good price, Chris at £175.

Amazon UK have a WHITE AND YELLOW X4 listed for £199 - SEE LINK!! I might have to get one myself!

IMHO recommending the Sanitaire or Kirby vacuums FOR A UK flat really comes down to the size of the flat. Kirby or Sanitaire "dirty fan" uprights with their massive bags, full weight and retro style would probably be good enough for the likes of a bigger home rather than an actual flat.

At least with SEBO or any other modern brand you have small cleaning tools and hose on board, even if they are small, at least that's a bonus and the X series is probably one of the most nimble and thinnest to get under low furniture.

The other SEBO to consider is the Felix. It is a smaller bagged capacity upright with a swivel neck and very nimble and compact. It has a 3.5 litre capacity dust bag and thus will require more emptying if you are willing to compromise for a more modern design. Not sure if you can find the Felix at £199 though the Classic, Fun and Navy models are older by colour and sometimes go for under the £200 mark.

Personally I'd stick to the X series -it may lack the variable suction control and swivel neck of the Felix - but you're getting a simpler well thought out upright vacuum designed to last and give superb performance.


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Post# 264482 , Reply# 30   1/22/2014 at 15:31 (3,718 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)        
Thanks

I've ordered my new vacuum. I've gone for the X4 Pet from Peter Tyson at £230 delivered. www.petertysonappliances.co.uk/eb...
Slightly over budget but I didn't want a blue one or a white one and this model was £20 cheaper than the red Euronics exclusive. Will post a few pics when it arrives.


Post# 264489 , Reply# 31   1/22/2014 at 17:59 (3,718 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Good Choice Dave - I'm sure you'll be happy with it for many years. :)

Post# 264510 , Reply# 32   1/22/2014 at 21:49 (3,718 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Good- Glad you got what you wanted, Dave! SEBO have also released new synthetic dust bags for the X model - they last longer than the paper bags and are slightly better at filtration too.

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Post# 264645 , Reply# 33   1/24/2014 at 12:29 (3,716 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)        

Arrived today (free next day delivery). I'm resisting the urge to break it out of the box as Mr Spangle thought it would be hilarious to play out in the pouring rain for an hour and I have a wet carpet!

Post# 264647 , Reply# 34   1/24/2014 at 12:43 (3,716 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Brilliant, a brand new Sebo. All ready to do battle with Mr Spangle's dog hairs. I'm sure you will be very happy with this vac. One tip, take care when using the hose that the vac doesn't tip over backwards.


Post# 264648 , Reply# 35   1/24/2014 at 13:21 (3,716 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Love both pics! 'Didn't know you had an Alsatian/German Shepherd. My best friend had one - the dog was originally trained up to be a police dog but he was absolutely useless and licked everyone to death rather than attacking. So the force called him "Spencer" as in Frank Spencer lol. When I called into stay with my chum, it was a right laugh watching my friend "being taken for a walk," as Spencer never heeled properly and would literally pull his owner right along the road, hoovering up all the food scraps if they were found. Happy days. Spencer died a few years ago but he was a well loved dog and unforgettable.



Post# 264673 , Reply# 36   1/24/2014 at 21:25 (3,716 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Great and great looking machine! Enjoy

Post# 264748 , Reply# 37   1/25/2014 at 17:55 (3,715 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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I'd stick with the DC14 and find out why it isn't performing as well as it once did.  

 

We can have any Dyson in the range as we sell them, but my wife still loves our DC14. 


Post# 264785 , Reply# 38   1/26/2014 at 01:44 (3,714 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Dave could always clean up the DC14 and use it as a second vac, but please realise that there is more to life than just Dyson, and as collectors we appreciate more than just Dysons, and that, some of us DO like bagged vacs and Vax's.


Post# 264795 , Reply# 39   1/26/2014 at 04:57 (3,714 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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Quote: there is more to life than just Dyson

 

Indeed. Nice ladies, nice cars, juicy steaks and bottles of Chablis spring to mind. However, I simply commented what *I* would do. You are free to comment what *you* would do. Cool


Post# 264796 , Reply# 40   1/26/2014 at 05:04 (3,714 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The reason I said what I did, was that Dave had already bought his new Sebo - a bagged machine made in Germany, but you then came along and seemed to want him to repair the DC14. How do you feel that the DC14 is better than a Sebo X4?


Post# 264824 , Reply# 41   1/26/2014 at 09:57 (3,714 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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I have no experience of Sebo. Again, I merely suggested what *I* would do based on the OP. 

 

You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about something. Forums were for the exchange of views last I looked, not to train everyone to sing from the same sheet. Calm down fella. Tongue out


Post# 264828 , Reply# 42   1/26/2014 at 11:32 (3,714 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Stuart, yes you are right - a forum should have an exchange of opinions, but the original theme of this post created by Dave - was to ask about info regarding the SEBO X series.

Thus in turn, though your opinion is valid, it's a bit late to the table now that the member has actually bought the new vacuum.

If you have read what Dave has said, the underlying feeling that the owner is fed up having to pay for parts of the previous Dyson and thus, in turn felt the need to buy something that would deep clean rather than go over the top of the carpet.

You refer to this post as what you would do based on your experience and in turn members have also shared their experience of the brands that Dave pointed out. Your comment about "sticking with the Dyson and find out why it isn't performing as it once did," is also valid - but taking into account that the OP is fed up paying out for parts from his Dyson model merely outlines why the change of brand and to something different.


Post# 264830 , Reply# 43   1/26/2014 at 11:46 (3,714 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

I comletely agree with Dave as to why he wanted to change to the X4 - even copy Dyson parts are not cheap & replacing belts on older Dysons with clutches are a pain in the ***.

Post# 264865 , Reply# 44   1/27/2014 at 05:17 (3,713 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Back on topic...

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Dave, how are you getting on with the Sebo?

Post# 264911 , Reply# 45   1/27/2014 at 12:25 (3,713 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)        
Mixed feelings

No doubt the Sebo is a quality and efficient machine, it's also very quiet and easy to use, stylish and quite elegant. It makes vacuuming a much more sedate and dignified affair. Rather than charging around in my Ford Mondeo of a Dyson, I'm taking a leisurely drive in an S Class Merc. However, I'm disappointed in it's performance. Suction is much less than that of my old Dyson (I thought it would be prior to purchasing it) but suction isn't everything though, and I could overlook this if my carpets were going to get a good thrashing and a deeper clean to make up for it. They don't though, in all honesty, I would have to say the Sebo doesn't bring up the pile as well as the Dyson and doesn't groom them as well either. The main reason I wanted to replace my Dyson was because it didn't clean deep down into the carpet pile and loosen the embedded hairs and grit. The Sebo doesn't either. Kirby here I come!

Post# 264915 , Reply# 46   1/27/2014 at 13:21 (3,713 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

I'm sorry to hear that dave - what pile carpets do you have?

Post# 264917 , Reply# 47   1/27/2014 at 13:34 (3,713 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

What are you doing with the Sebo - returning it? I'm surprised you don't like it, but we cant decide for you.

A Kirby would definitely beat the carpet better, but you would have to buy a second hand one to make it economical. They are heavy vacs, and use a Tech drive power assist to make pushing them easier. Bear in mind they are a very old fashioned machine that uses a direct air system where all the dirt passes through the fan, rather like a 70's Hoover Junior, and picking up large objects/coins/screws can damage the machine's lexan/plastic fan.


Post# 264920 , Reply# 48   1/27/2014 at 13:50 (3,713 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO)        

If you're going second-hand, though, an older Heritage II Legend or Legend II might be easier to use than a Generation series, and probably performs just as well for most purposes. Earlier ones are harder to get bags for, and/or use dump bags, which can be a pain - but the last two or three models prior to the G3 are, IMHO, the finest Kirbys ever made. (Not that the G-series is bad - it's not - it's just that the Legend series is less clunky.)

Post# 264926 , Reply# 49   1/27/2014 at 14:13 (3,713 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
Sorry to read that Dave,,

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Im absolutely, genuinely shocked. I haven't ever heard of a SEBO X failing to groom a carpet, let alone NOT deep clean.

But I suppose it could be down to the carpet pile. It could be that the brush roll isn't suitable and you might need a softer brush roll - rather handily, SEBO also do produce a softer brush roll - but you should gauge the feel of the brush roll on the Dyson and compare it with the SEBO. If the tufts are softer, the more delicate brush roll might be the answer - I use the delicate brush roll on my woollen carpets.

Dependent on the carpet pile, a dirty fan vac may be the answer but then it may also ruin your carpet in the long run. I wore out my parents' previous carpet (but they were grateful since it was red tartan that never went with anything and came with the house) with the Dyson DC01 and DC04 we had. You could see the red colour of the tufts in the bin...


Post# 264932 , Reply# 50   1/27/2014 at 15:06 (3,713 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I have to admit, I have not been at all impressed by the two Sebo X4 cleaners they have here.

Post# 264939 , Reply# 51   1/27/2014 at 15:51 (3,713 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)        

Undecided at the moment, I really like it. After I used it tonight I wiped it over with a damp cloth, checked it for any scuffs, inspected the contents of the bag, gave it an affectionate little pat on the handle and parked it up neatly in the corner of the lounge looking very sexy. However, if it doesn't perform well enough for my requirements, and try as I might, I may as well get rid of it if I think I can find something that will do a better job. I'll see what the dealer's returns policy is, failing that it'll probably go on eBay. I've seen a few local Kirby's that I'll go and have a look at and a test drive (Heritage II and a Legend I think), see how I get on with one of those. Failing that, I'll probably end up with another Dyson. I think much depends on the surface/condition of the surface/what's underneath the surface etc etc and what works really well in one home might not necessarily work well in another. The only time it seems to do anything is when it goes from hard floor to carpet and you get those few seconds before the brushroll goes back up. I've done the sugar on the carpet, the one goes after the other, the other one goes after the other etc etc, but alas, I remain completely unimpressed by it's performance in this case.

Post# 264944 , Reply# 52   1/27/2014 at 16:05 (3,713 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I'm with Ryan, I'm really shocked. Of all the complaints I've ever heard about a Sebo, not deep cleaning is not one of them. Even with the auto-height adjustment, every single one I've ever used has done a remarkable job (certainly better than a Dyson, just on default that the brushroll is of considerably better quality) at grooming the carpet.

It may feel like it's skimming the carpet, but that's always been part of the beauty of the X range - so easy to use and yet still getting deep into the carpet and pulling out grit.


Post# 264952 , Reply# 53   1/27/2014 at 16:22 (3,713 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

If a Kirby cant deep clean your carpets, then nothing will. They are designed for American deeper pile carpets, and really do deep clean as well as vibrate the carpet. Bear in mind though that the pre=Generation models such as the Heritage 2 are all now well over 20 years old. The last of the Legend 2's finished in 1991, before the Generation series with the power assisted drive took over. The Heritage 1's I own are both 32 years old. They do a very good job still, and parts are all still available for them. If you go to look at old Kirbys, make sure that they run smoothly, and that the foot height adjuster works properly without slipping.

If I was you I would go for something like a G5, G6 or Ultimate G, as you will appreciate the power drive which wont make pushing the Kirby around a chore. The newer you can get the better really, as its likely to be in better condition. You could get a really nice Ultimate G (2002-2006) for about £200, with all the bells and whistles.

 

I would seriously think about selling the Sebo on though, and give it a bit of time for you to get used to it. You will not get back what you paid for it on Ebay, and as you have used the vac, the retailer may not refund you.


Post# 264971 , Reply# 54   1/27/2014 at 17:09 (3,713 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, bear in mind that the Kirby doesn't have tools on board. Fine if you're into removing bits here and there to get the functions. Is the brush roll on your Dyson rough or soft?

Post# 265007 , Reply# 55   1/27/2014 at 20:49 (3,713 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        
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I agree with Steve. If a Kirby won't clean your carpets, then nothing else will.

I also agree that you should get a G5 or newer. From the G5 and continuing on, Kirby discontinued using the Lexan fan and started using the Amodel fan. There is no longer any need to be worried about what you suck up! The Amodel fans are actually stronger than the metal fans that used to be used at one time. They are actually several times tougher than Kevlar which is used to make Bullet-Proof vests. Check out why the new Amodel fan is superior www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...

If you decide to purchase a Kirby from eBay make sure you get a Refurbished one. Not only will it look brand new, but it will have been completely gone through and anything that needed to be replaced will have been replaced namely new brushroll, belts new outer bag and fan. Also the aluminum will be polished like a mirror so that you can see your face in it. Some times the seller will throw in a package of new bags.It is MHO that you use the new HEPA filteret bags. Not only will it leave your home dust free but these HEPA bags also increase the Kirby's performance. (More CFM)


Post# 265034 , Reply# 56   1/27/2014 at 23:07 (3,713 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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Hate to say this, but I had the exact same experience with the X series. Skimmed my low pile loop carpet, but would bury itself into deep pile. Took several swipes from different directions to pick up pet hair, and walking on the carpet barefoot afterwards I could still feel the odd few particles of grit beneath my toes that the cleaner had somehow managed to miss. It worked perfectly on plain old regular medium cut pile, but the only place in the entire house where I have that is in a dinky little entrance lobby!

What did help was fitting the optional soft brush roller. It causes the cleaner to sense less resistance against the carpet, so it adjusts itself slightly lower. Cleaned much better (the bag suddenly started filling up at a rate of knots), but unfortunately in my case, had the side effect of making the cleaner bog down into the carpet so it was incredibly difficult to push. Also made it totally unsuitable for hard floors, as the lower nozzle position caused the cleaner's baseplate to scrape over the tiles. Solved one problem while creating two others, so a bit of a waste of £15 really.

Had it been just the one machine I'd have assumed the height adjustment sensor was faulty, but both the white and red X1.1 models I had behaved in exactly the same manner. It's a real shame because it's actually a very nice cleaner overall, and one I could have quite happily kept around permanently otherwise.

If you specifically want a Sebo, the Felix may be a better option as it has a manual height adjustment that you can set however you see fit. As it's still early days, maybe contact your dealer, explain the situation and see if they are willing to work with you to find a solution. It could possibly save you from having to sell the X4 on at a loss only to potentially take a gamble on something else that may or may not work out for you.


Post# 265043 , Reply# 57   1/28/2014 at 02:34 (3,712 days old) by glenste (England)        

I too have used two X1.1's in the past and have not been particularly impressed. Suction power fairly average and ease of use dependant on it's use in relation to the direction of the carpet pile.

One of the above was brought as a replacement for a DC04 in an office setting. Over time charcoal coloured carpet looked decidedly dirty and after about two years the auto adjust on the Sebo failed and the machine was scrapped. The replacement was a DC07 origin. Over a period of a week of so the charcoal carpet visibly changed colour and the amount of heavy dirt in the bin was astonishing!



Post# 265354 , Reply# 58   1/30/2014 at 09:27 (3,710 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Spira- and to anyone else- you are aware that you can manually disconnect the sensor and the LED faceplate? Thus you get the setting you want, but rather, having to make do with guess work for everything else.

Post# 265472 , Reply# 59   1/30/2014 at 21:43 (3,710 days old) by spiraclean (UK)        

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Yes, but why would anyone want to? Sensor height adjustment is supposed to be the X series' main selling point, and disconnecting it would leave the user with a cleaner permanently stuck in one position. That's even less useful than a cleaner with manual height adjustment, which can at least be fine tuned by the user to each surface type.

Post# 265539 , Reply# 60   1/31/2014 at 12:20 (3,709 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well there are plenty of other uprights on the market with so-called auto adjustment that are hard to push on carpets. My Hoover Slalom is a good example. Only time it is light to push is if the silly suction air outlet valve on the underside is opened and then pick up is impossible the first time around.

If we're going to go down the "main selling point" of many a vacuum cleaner, especially an upright, then there are a few inaccuracies when it comes to cleaning hard floors, alone. Beater bars for example are a general no-no because they can mark hard floors.

Furthermore, if you use the "hard setting" on a Hoover Purepower upright, the setting lifts the floor head completely off the hard floor and dirt gets little chance of being actually sucked up with the beater bar constantly spinning. The Purepower isn't alone here - plenty of manual height adjustment vacs do this, which isn't exactly helpful to the owner.

Frankly I'm shocked to hear about the SEBO's inability to clean deep down. I've never found the SEBO not to deep clean AND not protect the carpets I use my vacuum on. The main selling point of the X is that is it lightweight to push DUE to the sensor adjustment and it is for carpets - hence why the Felix was introduced with a manual height adjustment and brush roll on/off function.

Infact, when it comes to performance, very little is said of protecting carpets - not many brands will go to the bother of designing a brush roll that protects a carpet as opposed to ripping tufts out of the pile - cue our old Dyson for doing that.

I find the suction strength to be pretty good on the SEBO uprights - particularly when the bag is near the end and there's still enough suction - this is more apparent with the synthetic dust bags of late rather than the paper ones.


Post# 265790 , Reply# 61   2/2/2014 at 08:24 (3,707 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The other thing is, the later SEBO X uprights have a thin metal plate that can be easily removed. I believe a plastic lining is behind it. Can't do that with the old X1A though as it is all metal.

Post# 265800 , Reply# 62   2/2/2014 at 09:46 (3,707 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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I'll agree the new synthetic bags are very good in the SEBO's. The one I have in my SEBO Felix at present is about full and the suction is still as good as when the bag was empty! Much better than the paper ones. They seem to hold more and compact the dust and dirt more too from personal experience.

Post# 265895 , Reply# 63   2/3/2014 at 07:16 (3,706 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Ive said this before but I'll reiterate - the beauty of the Synthetic dust bags is that they can be used a second time, provided you vacuum out the dust or shake it out. Unlike Miele, the SEBO bags are flexible enough for shake out to occur.

Of course I wouldn't suggest that you do this all the time as it means the other filters on board are thus compromised/get dirtier. I've only done it once on my Felix and once on my X series when I ran out of the bags.

I have a mix of paper bags and synthetic ones since some sellers online have massively dropped the price on the paper dust bags. So its a win-win situation even if the paper ones aren't as prolonged as the synthetic disposables.


Post# 265917 , Reply# 64   2/3/2014 at 12:58 (3,706 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
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Dave - another model you could consider (but you'll have to buy it online along with the bags) is the current "daily driver" I use in between my SEBO uprights; The Vax VCU02 upright. It has massive dust bags, dirty fan style and is like an Oreck with its general design. I picked up one for £39-99 for not so long ago at a local thrift store and I use it primarily at the holiday home my parents had.

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Post# 266114 , Reply# 65   2/4/2014 at 12:49 (3,705 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

That Vax is an Oreck copy. Orecks are very popular with the elderly, and my Aunt had one for years till she got the Dyson bug, and now wishes she had the Oreck back again.

Personally I don't like them - they look like motorised antique Ewbank sweepers with bags on them




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Post# 266118 , Reply# 66   2/4/2014 at 13:09 (3,705 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)        

I've looked at an Oreck whilst Kirby hunting, I've my eye on a few Kirby's on fleabay etc at the moment, so I feel a recon G model is iminent.

Post# 266125 , Reply# 67   2/4/2014 at 13:45 (3,705 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

You wont get a better carpet beater than a Kirby, but make sure the brushroll is adjusted correctly - they go into the head 3 ways to account for brush wear, and if the brush is worn and hasn't been re-seated in the head, it wont beat the carpet properly, and you will think its crap.

Get some scented oils and some cotton wool balls - put a few drops of scented oil on a wool ball and place it in the outer bag of the Kirby - it will help deal with the doggy smell that will develop, as Kirby bags are large and take a while to fill up, so inevitably start to smell very doggy if you have big GSD's. (ie - Mr Spangle)


Post# 266153 , Reply# 68   2/4/2014 at 16:23 (3,705 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The Vax may well be a copy but it doesn't use the same Oreck dust bags - I had an Oreck XL - they are very similar but they're not the same as - for a start the Vax has open wheels at the back that allow the Vax to be wheeled away, the handle isn't as comfortable as Oreck's own "HelpingHand" handle and there's no wooden brush roll.

For the price compared to £250 brand new for an Oreck XL upright, the Vax VCU 02 is a bit of a bargain.

I was never that taken with my old "passed down" Oreck because I knew how much my parents paid for it and I can tell you, I haven't declogged this Vax yet unlike our old Oreck that had a narrower dust channel.

These upright only vacs are great if you are after "vintage" upright only appeal but with slightly better filtration and no beater bars.


Post# 317101 , Reply# 69   3/1/2015 at 11:06 (3,315 days old) by Dave (Lytham St Annes)        

Well, 12 months later, I still haven't bonded with my X4 Pet. I did list it on eBay twice, but it didn't sell at what I wanted for it so it went back in the box (where it still is). I did use it occasionally, more for a bit of vacuuming variety than anything else, but always much preferred to use my DC14, which thankfully kept going and still does. I tried a friend's Kirby and then got offered a decent G5 at a decent price, but my flat just isn't big enough for me to swing a Kirby around in, so I dismissed that idea. Looked at a few other machines over the past 12 months but other than a new DC41 mkII, nothing really appealed to me, until I saw this brand new C12 on eBay, so I bought it! It's not here yet (auction only ended today) but I'm so excited about it, I love it already! I believe bags and belts might be a bit scarce or expensive, but this is going to be the one that finally sees me take my DC14 to the tip!

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Post# 317104 , Reply# 70   3/1/2015 at 11:39 (3,315 days old) by marcusprit ()        

Hi Dave sorry to hear you didn't get in with the Sebo X4. How much did you want for it?

Post# 317115 , Reply# 71   3/1/2015 at 12:18 (3,315 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        
The Sanitaire..

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No matter how many i find i can't pass one up at the right price.



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