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Post# 264085 , Reply# 1   1/19/2014 at 12:43 (3,721 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845)   |   | |
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Welcome to vacuumland! I would recomend a kirby. Im not sure of used prices for them though. |
Post# 264088 , Reply# 2   1/19/2014 at 13:34 (3,721 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio)   |   | |
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Post# 264089 , Reply# 3   1/19/2014 at 13:48 (3,721 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)   |   | |
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I'm in the U.K. It's going to have to be brand new or in immaculate condition. I can't do used! |
Post# 264099 , Reply# 4   1/19/2014 at 15:46 (3,721 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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I would most definitely recommend the Sebo X4 Extra. The Sebo's are the best deep cleaning upright on the UK market within that price range. The bags are HUGE too and don't need changing very often. The brushroll is one of the most impressive I've seen on a modern cleaner and really grooms the carpet pile.
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Post# 264101 , Reply# 5   1/19/2014 at 15:50 (3,721 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio)   |   | |
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Sanitaire Model 684: No headlight, but will still suck the carpet off the floor, for decades of residential use.
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Post# 264104 , Reply# 6   1/19/2014 at 16:00 (3,721 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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The Sanitaire cleaners are not available in the UK.
Also, RE: headlights, there is no cleaner on the UK market currently with a headlight. Dave, there is another thread here asking for advice for a new machine in the UK. Might be worth a read. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Turbo500's LINK |
Post# 264106 , Reply# 7   1/19/2014 at 16:08 (3,721 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)   |   | |
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Thank you Turbo, I read that thread last night, I've seen an X4 Pet for £230 which I like, I'm afraid I can't stick that navy blue & yellow colourway on that model. |
Post# 264107 , Reply# 8   1/19/2014 at 16:11 (3,721 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)   |   | |
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Can't edit my post above, but re: headlights the U.K. Miele S7510 has an L.E.D. headlight, I believe a few other models in the range do to :-) |
Post# 264108 , Reply# 9   1/19/2014 at 16:15 (3,721 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio)   |   | |
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Post# 264109 , Reply# 10   1/19/2014 at 16:18 (3,721 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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The Sanitaire uprights are very hard to find in the UK, if at all. If Dave was to import one from the US, he would have to buy a transformer to be able to use it, which is a tad pointless when a used Kirby that wouldn't require said transformer would be cheaper and easier to get.
In terms of brand new, and in that price range, the Sebo is pretty much unbeatable. |
Post# 264111 , Reply# 11   1/19/2014 at 16:38 (3,721 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio)   |   | |
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Post# 264132 , Reply# 12   1/19/2014 at 17:12 (3,721 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Welcome to Vacuumland Dave.
Like Turbo500 I'd recommend a SEBO. I can't comment on the X Series but I've had a Felix for 6 years without any problems. I have a dog that shreds hair and the Felix (same brush bar as the X Series) vacuum then up with no problems! Going back to bags I've not looked back! Much cleaner and easier to use, little maintenance too! What maintenance there is, is very simple! I've had every Dyson upright from the DC01 to the DC15 (apart from the DC14) over the years and brought the SEBO Felix while I still had the DC07 and DC15. I couldn't believe how well the Felix grooms the pile of the carpet. Like all SEBO's uprights the bags fill to the top without any noticeable drop in performance. The bags are like bricks when full!! They last me on average 3 months! I think the SEBO X4 will suit your needs very well! |
Post# 264142 , Reply# 14   1/19/2014 at 17:29 (3,721 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 264146 , Reply# 15   1/19/2014 at 17:36 (3,721 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Some form of Miele or Sebo upright definatly. Then maybe a nice Turbopower or Senior for the weekend sir? |
Post# 264149 , Reply# 16   1/19/2014 at 17:44 (3,721 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)   |   | |
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Sebo all the way. You won't regret it. Or a DC39 Animal. I have a X4 Pet and the Dyson and I'm equally happy with both machines. |
Post# 264154 , Reply# 17   1/19/2014 at 17:52 (3,721 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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I dont think anyone was recommending a Purepower though. |
Post# 264176 , Reply# 20   1/19/2014 at 19:44 (3,721 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Um, lets not forget there's the SEBO X1.1! £199 from CoOp Direct also from Amazon UK.
To meet the same spec as the X4 you could buy yourself the extension hose for above the floor line or the stair tool turbo brush. The X1.1 is just as good as the X4 Extra, but slightly less "powerful" with an 1150 watt motor compared to 1300 watts. Believe me, there is very little difference between the X1.1 and X4 compared to the original X1 Automatic of 850 watts to 1000 watts for the dark grey/light grey model. I did have an X4 but only sold it last week. Now have an X1 Automatic and adore it, as I have always done. If buying second hand, an X1 Automatic base line machine is good value but the X1.1 is better. The red models are getting harder to find now - Euronics no longer stock the red models at every store, best to phone them and check if you really want the red upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK |
Post# 264184 , Reply# 21   1/19/2014 at 20:32 (3,721 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Seems the Red models are now classed as X4 according to my local Euronics store - or model number 90559GB Priced at £239.99 CLICK HERE TO GO TO madabouthoovers's LINK |
Post# 264189 , Reply# 22   1/19/2014 at 20:45 (3,721 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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There's an X1.1 in red here for 199.99 so within the budget that Dave wants to spend (Excl Postage which is £9.95) CLICK HERE TO GO TO madabouthoovers's LINK |
Post# 264201 , Reply# 23   1/19/2014 at 23:26 (3,721 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 264209 , Reply# 26   1/20/2014 at 03:09 (3,720 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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The Sebo X1.1 is available from VacuSpares for £175. You could always get this and then, if you wanted, buy the additional extension hose from Sebo and it would come in at £205.
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Post# 264210 , Reply# 27   1/20/2014 at 03:15 (3,720 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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He might as well get the X4 Pet for £230 - this will give him the turbo tool as well. CLICK HERE TO GO TO madabouthoovers's LINK |
Post# 264212 , Reply# 28   1/20/2014 at 06:16 (3,720 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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A Dyson DC25 animal should be a good vacuum. the filtration is good, it has a twin motor system, cleans better than a DC14, has the Dyson advantages, 5 year warranty/guarantee and even a ball! |
Post# 264217 , Reply# 29   1/20/2014 at 08:43 (3,720 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Yes but Dave did want a vacuum cleaner at the £200 mark, Steve. This is why I responded originally with the X1.1. Its all very well recommending any vacuum cleaner from the SEBO range but with the cost effectiveness put into place PLUS HAVING TO BUY A BOX OF BAGS as well counts as extra expense.
Thats a good price, Chris at £175. Amazon UK have a WHITE AND YELLOW X4 listed for £199 - SEE LINK!! I might have to get one myself! IMHO recommending the Sanitaire or Kirby vacuums FOR A UK flat really comes down to the size of the flat. Kirby or Sanitaire "dirty fan" uprights with their massive bags, full weight and retro style would probably be good enough for the likes of a bigger home rather than an actual flat. At least with SEBO or any other modern brand you have small cleaning tools and hose on board, even if they are small, at least that's a bonus and the X series is probably one of the most nimble and thinnest to get under low furniture. The other SEBO to consider is the Felix. It is a smaller bagged capacity upright with a swivel neck and very nimble and compact. It has a 3.5 litre capacity dust bag and thus will require more emptying if you are willing to compromise for a more modern design. Not sure if you can find the Felix at £199 though the Classic, Fun and Navy models are older by colour and sometimes go for under the £200 mark. Personally I'd stick to the X series -it may lack the variable suction control and swivel neck of the Felix - but you're getting a simpler well thought out upright vacuum designed to last and give superb performance. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK |
Post# 264489 , Reply# 31   1/22/2014 at 17:59 (3,718 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Good Choice Dave - I'm sure you'll be happy with it for many years. :) |
Post# 264510 , Reply# 32   1/22/2014 at 21:49 (3,718 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Good- Glad you got what you wanted, Dave! SEBO have also released new synthetic dust bags for the X model - they last longer than the paper bags and are slightly better at filtration too.
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Post# 264645 , Reply# 33   1/24/2014 at 12:29 (3,716 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)   |   | |
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Arrived today (free next day delivery). I'm resisting the urge to break it out of the box as Mr Spangle thought it would be hilarious to play out in the pouring rain for an hour and I have a wet carpet! |
Post# 264647 , Reply# 34   1/24/2014 at 12:43 (3,716 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Brilliant, a brand new Sebo. All ready to do battle with Mr Spangle's dog hairs. I'm sure you will be very happy with this vac. One tip, take care when using the hose that the vac doesn't tip over backwards. |
Post# 264648 , Reply# 35   1/24/2014 at 13:21 (3,716 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Love both pics! 'Didn't know you had an Alsatian/German Shepherd. My best friend had one - the dog was originally trained up to be a police dog but he was absolutely useless and licked everyone to death rather than attacking. So the force called him "Spencer" as in Frank Spencer lol. When I called into stay with my chum, it was a right laugh watching my friend "being taken for a walk," as Spencer never heeled properly and would literally pull his owner right along the road, hoovering up all the food scraps if they were found. Happy days. Spencer died a few years ago but he was a well loved dog and unforgettable.
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Post# 264673 , Reply# 36   1/24/2014 at 21:25 (3,716 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 264748 , Reply# 37   1/25/2014 at 17:55 (3,715 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)   |   | |
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Post# 264795 , Reply# 39   1/26/2014 at 04:57 (3,714 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)   |   | |
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Post# 264824 , Reply# 41   1/26/2014 at 09:57 (3,714 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)   |   | |
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Post# 264828 , Reply# 42   1/26/2014 at 11:32 (3,714 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Stuart, yes you are right - a forum should have an exchange of opinions, but the original theme of this post created by Dave - was to ask about info regarding the SEBO X series.
Thus in turn, though your opinion is valid, it's a bit late to the table now that the member has actually bought the new vacuum. If you have read what Dave has said, the underlying feeling that the owner is fed up having to pay for parts of the previous Dyson and thus, in turn felt the need to buy something that would deep clean rather than go over the top of the carpet. You refer to this post as what you would do based on your experience and in turn members have also shared their experience of the brands that Dave pointed out. Your comment about "sticking with the Dyson and find out why it isn't performing as it once did," is also valid - but taking into account that the OP is fed up paying out for parts from his Dyson model merely outlines why the change of brand and to something different. |
Post# 264830 , Reply# 43   1/26/2014 at 11:46 (3,714 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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I comletely agree with Dave as to why he wanted to change to the X4 - even copy Dyson parts are not cheap & replacing belts on older Dysons with clutches are a pain in the ***. |
Post# 264865 , Reply# 44   1/27/2014 at 05:17 (3,713 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 264915 , Reply# 46   1/27/2014 at 13:21 (3,713 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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I'm sorry to hear that dave - what pile carpets do you have? |
Post# 264926 , Reply# 49   1/27/2014 at 14:13 (3,713 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Im absolutely, genuinely shocked. I haven't ever heard of a SEBO X failing to groom a carpet, let alone NOT deep clean.
But I suppose it could be down to the carpet pile. It could be that the brush roll isn't suitable and you might need a softer brush roll - rather handily, SEBO also do produce a softer brush roll - but you should gauge the feel of the brush roll on the Dyson and compare it with the SEBO. If the tufts are softer, the more delicate brush roll might be the answer - I use the delicate brush roll on my woollen carpets. Dependent on the carpet pile, a dirty fan vac may be the answer but then it may also ruin your carpet in the long run. I wore out my parents' previous carpet (but they were grateful since it was red tartan that never went with anything and came with the house) with the Dyson DC01 and DC04 we had. You could see the red colour of the tufts in the bin... |
Post# 264932 , Reply# 50   1/27/2014 at 15:06 (3,713 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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I have to admit, I have not been at all impressed by the two Sebo X4 cleaners they have here. |
Post# 264944 , Reply# 52   1/27/2014 at 16:05 (3,713 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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I'm with Ryan, I'm really shocked. Of all the complaints I've ever heard about a Sebo, not deep cleaning is not one of them. Even with the auto-height adjustment, every single one I've ever used has done a remarkable job (certainly better than a Dyson, just on default that the brushroll is of considerably better quality) at grooming the carpet.
It may feel like it's skimming the carpet, but that's always been part of the beauty of the X range - so easy to use and yet still getting deep into the carpet and pulling out grit. |
Post# 264971 , Reply# 54   1/27/2014 at 17:09 (3,713 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 265007 , Reply# 55   1/27/2014 at 20:49 (3,713 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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I agree with Steve. If a Kirby won't clean your carpets, then nothing else will.
I also agree that you should get a G5 or newer. From the G5 and continuing on, Kirby discontinued using the Lexan fan and started using the Amodel fan. There is no longer any need to be worried about what you suck up! The Amodel fans are actually stronger than the metal fans that used to be used at one time. They are actually several times tougher than Kevlar which is used to make Bullet-Proof vests. Check out why the new Amodel fan is superior www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-... If you decide to purchase a Kirby from eBay make sure you get a Refurbished one. Not only will it look brand new, but it will have been completely gone through and anything that needed to be replaced will have been replaced namely new brushroll, belts new outer bag and fan. Also the aluminum will be polished like a mirror so that you can see your face in it. Some times the seller will throw in a package of new bags.It is MHO that you use the new HEPA filteret bags. Not only will it leave your home dust free but these HEPA bags also increase the Kirby's performance. (More CFM) |
Post# 265034 , Reply# 56   1/27/2014 at 23:07 (3,713 days old) by spiraclean (UK)   |   | |
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Hate to say this, but I had the exact same experience with the X series. Skimmed my low pile loop carpet, but would bury itself into deep pile. Took several swipes from different directions to pick up pet hair, and walking on the carpet barefoot afterwards I could still feel the odd few particles of grit beneath my toes that the cleaner had somehow managed to miss. It worked perfectly on plain old regular medium cut pile, but the only place in the entire house where I have that is in a dinky little entrance lobby!
What did help was fitting the optional soft brush roller. It causes the cleaner to sense less resistance against the carpet, so it adjusts itself slightly lower. Cleaned much better (the bag suddenly started filling up at a rate of knots), but unfortunately in my case, had the side effect of making the cleaner bog down into the carpet so it was incredibly difficult to push. Also made it totally unsuitable for hard floors, as the lower nozzle position caused the cleaner's baseplate to scrape over the tiles. Solved one problem while creating two others, so a bit of a waste of £15 really. Had it been just the one machine I'd have assumed the height adjustment sensor was faulty, but both the white and red X1.1 models I had behaved in exactly the same manner. It's a real shame because it's actually a very nice cleaner overall, and one I could have quite happily kept around permanently otherwise. If you specifically want a Sebo, the Felix may be a better option as it has a manual height adjustment that you can set however you see fit. As it's still early days, maybe contact your dealer, explain the situation and see if they are willing to work with you to find a solution. It could possibly save you from having to sell the X4 on at a loss only to potentially take a gamble on something else that may or may not work out for you. |
Post# 265354 , Reply# 58   1/30/2014 at 09:27 (3,710 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 265472 , Reply# 59   1/30/2014 at 21:43 (3,710 days old) by spiraclean (UK)   |   | |
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Yes, but why would anyone want to? Sensor height adjustment is supposed to be the X series' main selling point, and disconnecting it would leave the user with a cleaner permanently stuck in one position. That's even less useful than a cleaner with manual height adjustment, which can at least be fine tuned by the user to each surface type.
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Post# 265539 , Reply# 60   1/31/2014 at 12:20 (3,709 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well there are plenty of other uprights on the market with so-called auto adjustment that are hard to push on carpets. My Hoover Slalom is a good example. Only time it is light to push is if the silly suction air outlet valve on the underside is opened and then pick up is impossible the first time around.
If we're going to go down the "main selling point" of many a vacuum cleaner, especially an upright, then there are a few inaccuracies when it comes to cleaning hard floors, alone. Beater bars for example are a general no-no because they can mark hard floors. Furthermore, if you use the "hard setting" on a Hoover Purepower upright, the setting lifts the floor head completely off the hard floor and dirt gets little chance of being actually sucked up with the beater bar constantly spinning. The Purepower isn't alone here - plenty of manual height adjustment vacs do this, which isn't exactly helpful to the owner. Frankly I'm shocked to hear about the SEBO's inability to clean deep down. I've never found the SEBO not to deep clean AND not protect the carpets I use my vacuum on. The main selling point of the X is that is it lightweight to push DUE to the sensor adjustment and it is for carpets - hence why the Felix was introduced with a manual height adjustment and brush roll on/off function. Infact, when it comes to performance, very little is said of protecting carpets - not many brands will go to the bother of designing a brush roll that protects a carpet as opposed to ripping tufts out of the pile - cue our old Dyson for doing that. I find the suction strength to be pretty good on the SEBO uprights - particularly when the bag is near the end and there's still enough suction - this is more apparent with the synthetic dust bags of late rather than the paper ones. |
Post# 265790 , Reply# 61   2/2/2014 at 08:24 (3,707 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 265800 , Reply# 62   2/2/2014 at 09:46 (3,707 days old) by madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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I'll agree the new synthetic bags are very good in the SEBO's. The one I have in my SEBO Felix at present is about full and the suction is still as good as when the bag was empty! Much better than the paper ones. They seem to hold more and compact the dust and dirt more too from personal experience.
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Post# 265895 , Reply# 63   2/3/2014 at 07:16 (3,706 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Ive said this before but I'll reiterate - the beauty of the Synthetic dust bags is that they can be used a second time, provided you vacuum out the dust or shake it out. Unlike Miele, the SEBO bags are flexible enough for shake out to occur.
Of course I wouldn't suggest that you do this all the time as it means the other filters on board are thus compromised/get dirtier. I've only done it once on my Felix and once on my X series when I ran out of the bags. I have a mix of paper bags and synthetic ones since some sellers online have massively dropped the price on the paper dust bags. So its a win-win situation even if the paper ones aren't as prolonged as the synthetic disposables. |
Post# 265917 , Reply# 64   2/3/2014 at 12:58 (3,706 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Dave - another model you could consider (but you'll have to buy it online along with the bags) is the current "daily driver" I use in between my SEBO uprights; The Vax VCU02 upright. It has massive dust bags, dirty fan style and is like an Oreck with its general design. I picked up one for £39-99 for not so long ago at a local thrift store and I use it primarily at the holiday home my parents had.
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Post# 266118 , Reply# 66   2/4/2014 at 13:09 (3,705 days old) by dave (Lytham St Annes)   |   | |
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I've looked at an Oreck whilst Kirby hunting, I've my eye on a few Kirby's on fleabay etc at the moment, so I feel a recon G model is iminent. |
Post# 266153 , Reply# 68   2/4/2014 at 16:23 (3,705 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The Vax may well be a copy but it doesn't use the same Oreck dust bags - I had an Oreck XL - they are very similar but they're not the same as - for a start the Vax has open wheels at the back that allow the Vax to be wheeled away, the handle isn't as comfortable as Oreck's own "HelpingHand" handle and there's no wooden brush roll.
For the price compared to £250 brand new for an Oreck XL upright, the Vax VCU 02 is a bit of a bargain. I was never that taken with my old "passed down" Oreck because I knew how much my parents paid for it and I can tell you, I haven't declogged this Vax yet unlike our old Oreck that had a narrower dust channel. These upright only vacs are great if you are after "vintage" upright only appeal but with slightly better filtration and no beater bars. |
Post# 317104 , Reply# 70   3/1/2015 at 11:39 (3,315 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Hi Dave sorry to hear you didn't get in with the Sebo X4. How much did you want for it? |
Post# 317115 , Reply# 71   3/1/2015 at 12:18 (3,315 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)   |   | |
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