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Post# 263149 , Reply# 1   1/13/2014 at 08:32 (3,727 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)   |   | |
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Post# 263151 , Reply# 2   1/13/2014 at 08:55 (3,727 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Sweet, cheers James. Between you and Ric (on faceache) I think I have enough to get cracking with, hopefully a few minutes after 4pm tonight I should know wether I've wasted £25 or not! |
Post# 263158 , Reply# 3   1/13/2014 at 09:39 (3,727 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Changed the title so it wouldnt be miselading once I'm outside of the editable time frame... Nothing to see here yet! |
Post# 263178 , Reply# 4   1/13/2014 at 12:35 (3,727 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Well, after removing the hi lo Gubbins and making henry single speed... He works, like new too! As per my facebook post, I think I've narrower it down to the pcb, so will get one of those once ive Confirmed its demise with a multimeter. However until then the return can continue as normal |
Post# 263180 , Reply# 5   1/13/2014 at 12:39 (3,727 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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With an Eco Henry, I have found no need to use the power boost button, unless there is really heavy soil on carpet or hard floor. I never saw the point of putting the hi lo on either. |
Post# 263212 , Reply# 6   1/13/2014 at 18:02 (3,726 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263295 , Reply# 7   1/14/2014 at 09:11 (3,726 days old) by spiraclean (UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263415 , Reply# 9   1/15/2014 at 08:47 (3,725 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)   |   | |
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Post# 263469 , Reply# 11   1/15/2014 at 15:31 (3,724 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Do you have a Steam Cleaner by any chance to clean your vacuums with? |
Post# 263470 , Reply# 12   1/15/2014 at 15:33 (3,724 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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I do have a steam cleaner, but don't use it on the vacs. It's not that great, all I'd end up doing is chasing dirt around, it is a PITA to set up and I'd burn myself alot! Quicker under the hot shower with a selection of brushes and a nice strong mix of G-101! |
Post# 263570 , Reply# 14   1/16/2014 at 11:09 (3,724 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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That Henry looks fantastic! :D You do such a smashing job making them look new :) Well done As the the Hi lo switch, |
Post# 263607 , Reply# 16   1/16/2014 at 17:32 (3,723 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263614 , Reply# 17   1/16/2014 at 18:14 (3,723 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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That's only from 2010 too & the PCB for the Eco Function has stopped working. '___' |
Post# 263618 , Reply# 19   1/16/2014 at 18:51 (3,723 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Here is the back of the old type 208428 board:
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Post# 263619 , Reply# 20   1/16/2014 at 18:55 (3,723 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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And now compare it to your new board, which shows the difference: |
Post# 263663 , Reply# 21   1/17/2014 at 03:39 (3,723 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Have a picture of the old board! From Heney HVR200A Was smothered in carbon dust if it helps! |
Post# 263667 , Reply# 22   1/17/2014 at 05:51 (3,723 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263668 , Reply# 23   1/17/2014 at 06:29 (3,723 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 263677 , Reply# 25   1/17/2014 at 09:37 (3,723 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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I hope my Auntie's 2012 Eco Henry will not break! :O if it does, then it is either another Henry or a Dyson Cylinder (She doesnt like uprights) |
Post# 263680 , Reply# 26   1/17/2014 at 10:40 (3,723 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Or fix it for 15 pounds, or remove the hi lo completely. As much as it sucks that its a flawed component, seems silly to write off £100 of vac for an easy fix... |
Post# 263685 , Reply# 27   1/17/2014 at 11:41 (3,723 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263688 , Reply# 28   1/17/2014 at 12:35 (3,723 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Sweet! Anyone putting this info together for prosperity? |
Post# 263689 , Reply# 29   1/17/2014 at 12:35 (3,723 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Right, I just took both the Bertie and James apart. The James was bought brand new in July 2013, made in the 23rd week of 2013, has the old style PCB facing the motor. Although, the Bertie, bought brand new in November 2013, made in the 33rd week of 2013, has the new style PCB, facing away from the motor. So Numatic switched to the new style PCB sometime between 23rd week and the 33rd week of 2013. Alex's Henry should have the new style PCB. |
Post# 263690 , Reply# 30   1/17/2014 at 12:38 (3,723 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263696 , Reply# 31   1/17/2014 at 13:53 (3,723 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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So we know the dates to check dead ones against, to scope the chances of the PCB being an issue. |
Post# 263697 , Reply# 32   1/17/2014 at 14:01 (3,723 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263715 , Reply# 35   1/17/2014 at 15:11 (3,722 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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I hope not - that Numatic are making machines that fail early so they can sell more of them, they do come with a 2 year guarantee though however most people think they won't need it. |
Post# 263724 , Reply# 38   1/17/2014 at 16:00 (3,722 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)   |   | |
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I agree the autosave is more to go wrong. However, a receipt is not required in law, only proof of purchase. If a consumer chooses not to claim for a repair for whatever the reason, that is up to them. |
Post# 263734 , Reply# 43   1/17/2014 at 16:44 (3,722 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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I think it's a shame that Numatic's reliability record is being damaged by a something so little as a PCB. I really do think it'll cause Numatic problems in the long run, which is a real shame. All those machines made between 2009ish and mid-2013 are prone to failure in a few years, which is not good. |
Post# 263740 , Reply# 45   1/17/2014 at 16:49 (3,722 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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There is a handy table here showing various different dates and models of Numatics, and it confirms that 2004 was the time the twin speeds were launched. CLICK HERE TO GO TO madabouthoovers's LINK |
Post# 263741 , Reply# 46   1/17/2014 at 16:49 (3,722 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Good point, ad amended. Imagine the 2 people who viewed probably wouldnt have bought it anyway! |
Post# 263748 , Reply# 48   1/17/2014 at 16:57 (3,722 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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I did? True, and whilst I hope it, in reality wont really hurt numatic, if they fail by their hundreds/thousands around the WORLD now (Their making more of the international nowadays!) surely someone would notice the drop in sales? |
Post# 263750 , Reply# 50   1/17/2014 at 17:09 (3,722 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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The hi-lo switches have no problem - the Henry we have at home which has the hi-lo feature is from 2006 & it is still perfectly fine! |
Post# 263752 , Reply# 52   1/17/2014 at 17:13 (3,722 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263754 , Reply# 53   1/17/2014 at 17:18 (3,722 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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....And what do you think they would tell you? I wouldn't think they are going to admit that there is a problem with their top seller - that would be bad for business! |
Post# 263755 , Reply# 54   1/17/2014 at 17:19 (3,722 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263756 , Reply# 55   1/17/2014 at 17:23 (3,722 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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I think we are over analysing it but hey, its what we do! I have no idea how hard a life my henry has had. I suspect light domestic. I imagine Henrys in our hands will have a lot less use, and will inherently last longer. I suppose, what usage would shred carbons quicker, as that seems to be a root cause. |
Post# 263757 , Reply# 56   1/17/2014 at 17:25 (3,722 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263760 , Reply# 58   1/17/2014 at 17:39 (3,722 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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In Beko's pic below, what is the name of the component with the ?? against it - this part seems to be the cause of heat staining on the board above it. Could it be this component that is what is burning out? |
Post# 263763 , Reply# 61   1/17/2014 at 17:46 (3,722 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263766 , Reply# 64   1/17/2014 at 18:02 (3,722 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263768 , Reply# 66   1/17/2014 at 18:16 (3,722 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263769 , Reply# 67   1/17/2014 at 18:17 (3,722 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Very true! Y electric screwdriver was in the house, and I was in the garage... You see my dilemma |
Post# 263770 , Reply# 68   1/17/2014 at 18:19 (3,722 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263771 , Reply# 69   1/17/2014 at 18:20 (3,722 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 263775 , Reply# 71   1/17/2014 at 19:33 (3,722 days old) by moojuiceuk (Southampton, England)   |   | |
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I wouldn't be surprised if that big black 3 legged component isn't actually a triac. The design may well be chopping the AC waveform to reduce power to the motor as a basic high/low speed controller. They're often used in dimmer light switches and for switching heating elements (I work for a heating company and see Triac's in more products these days).
I've got an older pre Autosave Henry here with the red footswitch and a green side hi-lo switch. If these also had a similar board inside I'd have a look to see if the AC supply is being chopped like I suspect. |
Post# 263776 , Reply# 72   1/17/2014 at 19:55 (3,722 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Yours is the old type, 206606 - 2 terminal board, and will look like this: |
Post# 263833 , Reply# 73   1/18/2014 at 03:21 (3,722 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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If it helps |
Post# 263894 , Reply# 74   1/18/2014 at 13:13 (3,722 days old) by moojuiceuk (Southampton, England)   |   | |
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Yep, just as I thought. It's a Triac, 12Amp rated.
www.st.com/web/en/resource/techni... The circuit board is like a dimmer switch, fixed to a lower setting, chopping the AC waveform to reduce power to the motor. It's either getting too hot (no heatsinking, poor airflow) or like others have suggested, the carbon dust has snookered it. If it's just that component that's failed and it hasn't killed anything else on the board, the Triac's are sold for about £1.29 + VAT from RS Components, part number 687-0947. If something else on the board has failed too, you might as well shell out the £15 on a re-designed PCB or just bypass the ruddy switch altogether :) |
Post# 263896 , Reply# 75   1/18/2014 at 13:38 (3,722 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Well then if you want to keep your Eco Henry, I suggest buying a whole bunch of boards! I was actually going to buy the exact Henry with the exact problem like Sam's one approx 2 months ago which went for £32 I think? |
Post# 263978 , Reply# 77   1/18/2014 at 18:24 (3,721 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Steve are you on Facebook? |
Post# 263981 , Reply# 78   1/18/2014 at 18:30 (3,721 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Hilo - no afraid not. Don't use facebook, nor Skype. I'm too old to understand all this new-fangled technology used by your age group lol. |
Post# 263982 , Reply# 79   1/18/2014 at 18:36 (3,721 days old) by HI-LOswitch98 ()   |   | |
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My Dads the same age, but he "apparently" uses it for the sale pages. He's such a Liar. Shame, are you on Youtube? |
Post# 264214 , Reply# 81   1/20/2014 at 07:43 (3,720 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Well, after lots of stupid "wud u take 30 tnite m8" type messages, I accepted a £60 offer for Henry just now! Waiting for payment, then will box Henry up later and say goodbye! |
Post# 289545 , Reply# 83   7/20/2014 at 06:35 (3,539 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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I think there are 2 PCBs in existence, did you get the 2 connector one or the 4 one? I've got 2 more in the shed awaiting payday to order 2 PCBs, it gets addictive! |
Post# 290616 , Reply# 84   7/27/2014 at 18:06 (3,531 days old) by Mieles5380Leo (Virginia)   |   | |
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Post# 290673 , Reply# 85   7/28/2014 at 04:08 (3,531 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 290691 , Reply# 86   7/28/2014 at 10:55 (3,531 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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I have a Miele S5210, which is still doing sterling service as a daily. Except it doesnt get used much at the moment, as theres always another vacuum to use! Infact the last time I looked it was covered in dust in the hallway... |
Post# 290777 , Reply# 87   7/28/2014 at 19:22 (3,530 days old) by Mieles5380Leo (Virginia)   |   | |
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Post# 291492 , Reply# 88   8/1/2014 at 16:49 (3,526 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Here you go Leo, my mums S4, my S5 and an s3 I bought of eBay cheaply, refurbished and sold shortly after this picture was taken! Just received a service box each for mums and mine today actually! |
Post# 314859 , Reply# 90   2/7/2015 at 18:36 (3,336 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Bump |
Post# 314898 , Reply# 91   2/8/2015 at 08:16 (3,336 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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BUMP |
Post# 314955 , Reply# 92   2/8/2015 at 19:36 (3,335 days old) by seanc (Cambridge, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Interesting read. My Henry Autosave was dead when I got it a few years ago, only the high/low would show a red light if pushed but the motor wouldn't run. Found it had a worn out brush, replaced it and off it went, but only ever on high. Works fine, sounds like the triac is shorted in my case, so it's able to run. |
Post# 329707 , Reply# 95   7/20/2015 at 13:34 (3,174 days old) by jupiterferris ()   |   | |
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All working! So the red PCB is removed completely and all wires are off the hi/lo... the motor is wired direct to the on/off and we're good as new. Well, almost. But free! :-) Thanks! |
Post# 329714 , Reply# 96   7/20/2015 at 14:06 (3,174 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Nice job! Just curious, how old is your Henry? My Auntie'sHenry has the red PCB and her Henry is 2 and a half years old, still works perfectly fine |
Post# 329772 , Reply# 98   7/21/2015 at 07:37 (3,173 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Awesome!Very handy :) |