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Thread Number: 23401
EU energy-saving rules cut power of vacuum cleaners |
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| Post# 261971 1/5/2014 at 18:36 (3,756 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
"New European Commission regulations mean that the motors in domestic vacuum cleaners will be limited to 1,600W from September next year and 900W from 2017"
Sir James Dyson is not happy...read linked article for more. CLICK HERE TO GO TO stricklybojack's LINK 
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| Post# 261995 , Reply# 1 1/5/2014 at 19:38 (3,756 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
This is old news - i.e. its been discussed many times before on Vacuumland, though its good for you to resurrect a fresh new page.
See www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-... CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 262046 , Reply# 2 1/6/2014 at 06:10 (3,756 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
Sir James Dyson is not happy...
I don't understand why he's not happy. The most powerful Dyson on the UK market is rated 1200w, so he already fits in with the new legislation and with all the R&D put into refining the cyclone with each model, I'm sure Dyson will be one of the few brands who manage to produce cleaners with high suction and low wattage. The current Ball cylinders with the digital motors are, I believe, 1050w and the suction really packs a punch on those.
As I've said before, I think the new legislation is great. I'm not an eco-geek by any means, but I don't like to be wasteful. Hopefully, these god-awful cheap, chinese made 2200w cleaners will be a thing of the past very soon. It seems to me that these ridiculously powerful motors are a way for lazy vacuum cleaner manufacturers to get around putting any cash behind their product. Look at the Hoover Purepower, for example. It's been on sale since 1997 and the motor wattage has increased from 1200w to 2200w, but with no other changes to the cleaner. Hoover have just kept increasing the motor wattage to keep the machine in good competition. Can't Hoover think of other ways of increasing suction other than the motor watts? Look at the old Electrolux Twin Turbo's - Lux increased the suction of the cleaner by adding an additional fan to the motor, generating greater airflow. And of course, we all know that the suction power of a cleaner is not always a result of a more powerful motor. My 700w Panasonic MC-E47 has way more suction power than my Mum's old 1800w Electrolux. There are lots of other factors to consider such as: - how well sealed is the cleaner? Is it losing suction anywhere meaning hose suction at the cleaner head is diminished? - how many twists and turns are there in the body of the machine? Does the suction have "further to travel" as a result? - How good is the filtration? Do the filters need maintaining regularly to keep airflow high? - How effective is the floorhead/brushroll? Is it designed for maximum efficiency? Hoover Junior's and Electrolux 500 series cleaners gave grey pick up with only a 300w and 500w motor respectively, largely due to the excellent quality brushroll/beater design Lets hope that these lazy manufacturers come up with some new, interesting ways of cleaning with lower wattage motors. | ||
| Post# 262049 , Reply# 3 1/6/2014 at 06:24 (3,756 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I'm all for it - but - only when ALL appliances for the home start to get properly fitted lower motors without having to pay through the nose for it.
At the same time, all brands will have to consider lowering power with cylinder vacuums too. Miele and SEBO have high powers in their current cylinder vacs because the market demands it - one reason to why SEBO doesn't sell their K1 Eco is simply because sales of their "Cappuccino K1" wasn't a big success and owners demanded higher powered models. A new K1 Eco may well appear in the UK soon, though. As the owner of a fairly old and battered SEBO C2.1, the 1500 watt maximum is enough for me to use compared to a lot of other vacuums and when you consider how old that machine is alongside SEBO's uprights at 1300 watts max, you can see that it is possible to manufacture something low-powered both in the sledge cylinder vac and upright family. I fished out my old Miele 2004 brochure last night - the lower base models all had 1600 watts, which begs the question to why Miele feel the need to raise the power - but its not the fault of Miele, or other brands, but rather what the market has demanded and what buyers are purchasing. High power will always rule buyers mind when it comes to a vacuum cleaner. When this new law comes into play, it will be interesting to see how brands react. | ||
| Post# 262064 , Reply# 6 1/6/2014 at 08:23 (3,756 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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people that know about them do | ||
| Post# 262065 , Reply# 7 1/6/2014 at 08:27 (3,756 days old) by Ultimatevacman ( Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 262067 , Reply# 8 1/6/2014 at 09:10 (3,756 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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That was a quote from the link BTW. | ||
| Post# 262204 , Reply# 11 1/7/2014 at 04:38 (3,755 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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OR could it be the fact that in the UK at least, not many Dyson appliances have the DDM motor fitted as opposed to the Japanese market? Is this the reason why Dyson would be up in arms?
Benny - in your response to your post - current energy labels are confusing to many buyers for a whole lot of different appliances from washing machines to fridge freezers. You can see how confused they are simply by reading a lot of UK based forums. I don't think energy labels will naturally "illustrate" the truth in everything when they are clipped to vacuums.
Thus a lot of buyers plump for appliances with "added features," that then add on "more power" to different kinds of appliances. Dishwashers for example - not many will go for Bosch because of the expensive prices and a promise of using less water for economical running costs, especially if you pay for water charges. Instead buyers will go for the features, where BEKO rule the roost for more wash programs than the cheapest Bosch full size dishwasher.
IMHO the energy labels don't go far enough to explain each model.
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| Post# 262256 , Reply# 12 1/7/2014 at 13:40 (3,755 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
Let's face it....
The most efficient vacuum cleaners are of the "Direct Air" type like the Sanitaire or the Kirby. Case in Point: My Kirby Sentria draws only 840 watts and it will out clean any 1800 watt Bypass Air machine I know of while still filtering the air down to .1 micron with the new Kirby HEPA bags which can be had for only $3 a piece on ebay.. So if you're worried about wattage restrictions on vacuum cleaners, then a Direct Air machine is the only way to go!
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| Post# 262452 , Reply# 15 1/8/2014 at 16:04 (3,753 days old) by hi-loswitch98 () | ||
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That's what most people don't realise Adamthemieleman. I wish I had someone like you in my nearest Curry's store. In mine they pressure you to either buy a Dyson or a high wattage vacuum, such as AEG or a Hoover Purepower / Hurricane. | ||
| Post# 262456 , Reply# 16 1/8/2014 at 16:58 (3,753 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Post# 262458 , Reply# 17 1/8/2014 at 17:04 (3,753 days old) by KirbyClassicIII  (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics...
For those of you wishing to keep some of your older vacuums, you're in luck. ~Ben | ||
| Post# 262547 , Reply# 22 1/9/2014 at 07:26 (3,753 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Benny - I have just had a thought regarding what you've said.
Perhaps this new law that is coming in, is white wash to try and hide rising energy costs in the UK? Think about it! Even if that Energy Star report pdf I added on here months ago shows actual data savings of something ridiculous like a saving of $7/£5 every three years, No wonder the government are in support of it!! | ||
| Post# 262596 , Reply# 24 1/9/2014 at 16:53 (3,752 days old) by uksausage (eastbourne east sussex UK) | ||
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Tolivac Lol. The other thing I forgot to say was that in response to comment most people only use the vacuum for around an hour each week. In my house it's over an hour a day lol but that's what comes with the joys of having 6 cats and a dog 😃😃😃👍👍👍 David | ||
| Post# 262637 , Reply# 26 1/10/2014 at 02:53 (3,752 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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gov't intervention Tolivac, there are hundreds of issues which we in the UK do not welcome gov't intervention, and wattage of vacuum cleaners is probably way down the list. As a country, we're stuffed. | ||
| Post# 262638 , Reply# 27 1/10/2014 at 02:56 (3,752 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Sorry but in my mind this law doesn't hold up much in my experience- unless someone or a true organisation has actually bothered to test how much an 1800 watt Miele vacuum uses compared to an Oreck or whatever brand. we will never actually know the true test findings. Energy reports or energy labels will only tell half the story and not much saving can be hard if you vacuum once a day for a good couple of hours compared to one hour.
Certainly it isn't as expensive as switching on your heating throughout the day when the use of it is at its highest. | ||
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Post# 262642 , Reply# 28 1/10/2014 at 03:16 (3,752 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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As Sebo-Fan says-what about other appliances-certainly your HVAC system will use far more power than even the most powerful vacuum cleaner-also your lighting,and even your TV will use more if you watch a lot of TV-many homes the TV is playing just about all day.Get to voting and try to vote these regulator bums out! | ||
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